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about time a muslim organisation did something like this... very very late but better late than never....

MUSLIMS UNITED

[The Holy Quran, 5:32]

BBC NEWS | England | London | Muslims in anti-terror campaign

British Muslims are leading a new campaign condemning the recent attempted car bomb attacks in London and Glasgow. The campaign, titled "Not in Our Name", will be launched across the UK with adverts in newspapers.
It emphasises "the Muslim community's rejection of any attempts to link any such criminal attacks to the teachings of Islam", organisers said.
Muslims from various professions have backed the campaign, including doctors.

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Mani......I like that.....I like it a lot.

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about time a muslim organisation did something like this... very very late but better late than never.. ------------------ agree mani its a BIG step in the right direction.;)

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Every time there is some atrocity of this type, the Muslim community have repeatedly said 'not in my name', it's brilliant that it's getting the message home now.

Muslim's I know are as appalled as anyone else about the bombs and they are doubly appalled because they feel like they're getting the blame for it.

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To apportion blame on a whole community may be wrong, but it is a coping mechanism...it allows people to feel like they have some control.

And have any of these bombers been anything other than muslims? OK...I don't mean to be offensive to anyone....I am just asking a question.

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And if the Muslim community really wants to be taken seriously on a 'Not in my name' campaign, then they have to stop the extremist muslim clerics from poisoning the young minds of the boys of their communities. I was always led to believe that Islam was a peaceful religion.

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thats true but not very simple,was listening to an interview with an EX- Radical the other night, he was recruited at 15 yrs of age very slowly by people who befriended him leaving the mosque, inviting him to their homes, giving him nice meals etc, then slowley introducing him to parts of the koran that the moderate imams dont focus on,ie, beheadings etc etc,so if they aint learning it from the clerics at the mosque,(some do but very few) how do you stop it? very difficult i think,but somehow we have too.:(

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Cashy, that is what I am saying.....it is down to the Muslim community to stick together and root out these people. Not invite them to their homes, not give them good food and hospitality......but question them about their malicious beliefs......stop their young boys from having their minds poisoned with what is hatred, pure and simple.
If the Muslim community cannot do this....or worse still won't do this, then they cannot complain when people think that all terrorists are islamic.
You can only change how people think of you by actively doing something to change these ideas.

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I appreciate that many many muslims are peaceful and uphold the peaceful doctrines of their religion, but the minority are having an adverse effect on the lives of the majority....and while they allow this to continue then a campaign...no matter how worthy, will do nothing.

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About time.

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About time.

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I do think it would be a very good idea for Muslims to make more of a public stand against the acts which are puportedly being carried out in the name of Allah.


Perhaps if as many people took to the streets, as they did to protest against the war in Iraq, it would be a fantastic start.

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I do think it would be a very good idea for Muslims to make more of a public stand against the acts which are puportedly being carried out in the name of Allah.


Perhaps if as many people took to the streets, as they did to protest against the war in Iraq, it would be a fantastic start.

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religion is one of the three evils of this world

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Lovely book, the Koran. Here is another quote from it's illustrious pages:

Koran 8:50 Angels will kill atheists
"If you could see when the angels take the souls of the Unbelievers at death. How they smite their faces and backs saying "Taste the penalty of the blazing Fire" .

I think we know what it means by that. But does anybody recognise the symbolism of 8.50? Here's a clue...think back to the London bombings and the time the three tube bombs went off.

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Why don't you just read the book?

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Why don't you just read the book? Or better still, if you're so impressed by Islam, why don't you convert?

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*L* i love that time of the london bombings thing wicked.

this whole converting kids thing started back in the 90's. radical imam's came to uk and the uk immigration allowed them to roam freely. they set up camp here and targetted uni's etc incredibly intensity. and from that u get the seeds set in to british kids that the clerics were right. as such the generations that followed werent radicialised by the clerics but by ppl who were u and me and were relating to the students much more easily.

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Like Willow, I believe it is the corruption and misrepresentation of religion that is evil......and sows the seeds of more evil.
And sorry, yes I did misunderstand......I was thinking that parents invited these clerics into their homes as a model for their boys...rather than the other way around.

I follow no organised religion, I just try to treat people how I would like to be treated myself and I would rather help someone than see them in trouble.

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Mani.....How did we radicalise these young men? Many of them were born into a country where they could follow their religion without persecution, they were educated by the state, many of them went to Universities and got good jobs. You may say that there was a climate of racial tension, but didn't some of these young men contribute to that tension. I have worked alongside people of many cultures.....I have always respected their right to know about their own culture.....but that does not make me want to renounce my own culture......nor would I ask anyone else to do the same.

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thats exactly what i was meaning,but the radicals DO NOT appear to be so until the brainwashing kicks in.aint making excuses for these people but can see how impressionable kids are sucked in, like i said earlier its a hell of a job to stop this, if i remember correctly Robin Reed was just a dumb lowlife,in gaol, when he was converted not a 15yr old kid,

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the radicalisation happened when the uk govt didnt check the history of certain clerics when they came to the uk - guys like abu hamza were allowed into the uk and were given minimal risk ranking

so they've gone around giving speechs to young guys who were here - its then those guys who are now provin to b a risk.

its like the whole bad apple in a barrel thing. the govt knew of a bad apple and put it in the barrel and now there's alot of bad apples

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good luck into trying to get either current or past elected Politicians into accepting any kind of responsibility , these people (elected politicians) have more excuses than the proverbial 'nigger on his way to jail'

( note the above is a line from the hit 1993 movie ' Whats Love got to do with it ' spoken by the Ike Turner character , so before anyone jumps on me, I'm not being racist just using a metaphor)

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Isn't it part of every religion to go forth and spread the word? I don't think you can fault Muslims for doing that, it's just the methodology that is at fault.

In the 1800s, the Brits went forth and tried to convert as many people as possible - that's why Christianity is so far and widespread.

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Christians also brought lots of help with them too Gayle, like education, health benefits and living standards.

I'd like to know what muslims also have given to their followers, seems to me they just leech on us Christians. This statement is only meant in the way of a serious question as I don't really know, and would love to be corrected on my mis-informed thoughts.

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I dont think its limited to muslims only in my opinion, though I dont have any particular interest of the terrorist attacks when it comes to following the news. Perhaps muslim people just have more reason to bomb the country, they must have more of a motive than it just being a purely religious thing, there must be deeper reasoning to it than just bombing innocent people to go to their heaven. My muslim friends told me that technically they'd actually go to hell, which most muslims avoid, more so than many other races of people in my opinion.

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What shakes me up a little on these bombings is that they appear to be doctors and people concerned with the medical profession. Through all their years of training, they are taught to 'save lifes' not destroy. The over-riding brain washing appears to be quite powerful.

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What don't you think is limited to Muslims Blazey?
And Why should people bomb their host country that has given so much to them? They claim state benefits, are educated and their health care is provided.(OK, some are born here and it is their nation too) Stating the war in Iraq/afghanistan is a simplistic way of explaining away the terrorists......after all it was government policy that took soldiers to those two areas...if you think about it there were many demonstrations by the general public condemning this action......Yes, of course the government was elected by the population, but if we had thought that they would have gone to a war that no-one seemed to want...do you think they would have been elected. Even MP's were bamboozled by a document that told lies about Iraq's WMD...many of them acted ingood faith and they have since said that if the TRUTH had been evident they would not have voted with the government.
I think the apologists for the muslim terrorists are almost as bad as the terrorists themselves...because they give the aura that guerilla tactics are acceptable and in some cases even laudable.
Terror is never acceptable......and causing death in the way that they do is against the code of the islamic religion.

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Well said Margaret, how anyone can excuse terrorism is beyond my comprehension, your either for them or against them. Be they Moslem, Catholic, or Protestant etc.

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Agree with you 100%, Margaret. Does anybody seriously think that if we withdrew from Iraq and Afghanistan and helped the Palestinians to defeat Israel in order to set up a Palestinian state, the Islamists would stop their attacks? Of course they wouldn't because they despise Western society and all its values and they're looking to destroy it.

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That is exactly right....but if they despise the west so much why do they choose to live here?
And don't you catch more flies with a spoonful of sugar than you do with a barrel of vinegar...if conversion is what they want, then surely to impose these views is as fascist as the Nazi's were.
I can live peacefully with anyone who will accept that I have a right to my own views(religious or otherwise)

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I just hope the British public keep in mind that extremists are in the smallest minority possible, as a moral panic that brings about prejudice to innocent people [other Muslims] is in my mind worse than random acts of terrorism.

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Don't get me wrong, Shakey. I would agree with you that the majority of moderate, law-abiding muslims are beyond reproach. But I think we should unequivocally condemn the Islamists (ie, the muslim fundamentalists) who seek to overthrow our society by means of death and terror, without making excuses for them.

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The Nazi's and the Fascist (I don't condone what they did) at least wore identifying uniforms these cretins haven't the guts to.

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I think the British public have been very tolerant over the years, and I would hope that most of them realise that it is a small minority who cause the problems. But it is up to the majority, to make it plain to this minority who are causing the problems, that the time has come for action to stop them. No campaign is going to succeed if it is not followed by action.

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Royboy....I think I might have noted that in a previous post.
That is what makes terrorism so damaging....you cannot tell, just by looking, who the terrorists are. That cannot be said of the British soldiers who are out in the hotspots.....they are sitting targets because of their uniforms.

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Definitely, but we must make sure that we avoid prejudice against the innocent majority. Muslims wouldn't be the first ethnic/social group in Britain to obtain a stigma through the actions of a few evil scum.
The mind-numbingly bigoted and idiotic views of the red-top rags in this country don't help things in the slightest.

'War on terror' anyone? :o

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That is the point I was making...I was taught that anyone acting as a combatant out of uniform is a spy and should be treated as such.

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Yes......do they still shoot spies? Probably not eh?

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No they don't, but, then again, the mind-numbingly bigoted and idiotic views of muslim fundamentalist groups don't help things in the slightest, either!

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Idiotic views (without action) rarely maim or kill either.

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read a report today (true or false?) that there is at least 8 in the Police Force,one of whom was found to have videos etc of beheadings on his computer, he claimed it was to provoke political discussion, this guy is still a serving officer! apparently they cannot take action cos the info came from our secret service,so it is against the LAW to take disciplinary action. if this claim is true,there is NO CHANCE, of sorting the problem out in my eyes.:mad:

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If that is true Cashman then we have gone beyond hope. I foresee Armageddon round the next corner. :(

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You probably know the answer to that one eh?

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When Islamic Fundamentalists, whatever the name of their group, commit some horriffic act, public outrage seems to extend, in many minds, to the whole muslim community. Why does this not happen with Christianity? When a bible belt bubba, shoots a doctor who has been performing abortions, it doesn't, to the vast majority of people, reflect upon all Christians, or even all fudamentalist Christians. Just and idle thought at and idle time.

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Well, we haven't had that happening over here.....in fact the Bishops are very weak at standing up for Christian tenets in any shape or form, so i guess it isn't likely to happen, but then again you never know.
The huge influx of Polish people has meant that lots of churches are finding congregations are filling up again.
I think we, as a nation are very tolerant of the views of others.

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That depends on your definition of innocent. The bombers don't think their victims are innocent.

I don't think the campaign will do anything to prevent terrorism, I think they are just trying to distance themselves from it.

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I don't think the campaign will influence anything really....it is just paying lip service....and what is really required is strong and definitive action to identify those responsible for fostering and sponsoring terror. Having said that, it is a step in the right direction, so it can't be a bad thing.