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You can't talk about any other group even if they are legally invading our country and taking all the jobs for less money and so on and so on.......:mad:

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I've always thought it's pretty clear that supporters of the BNP are no different from supporters of the Nazi party.
Still, that's only my opinion and I would never want to stop people having their opinion. Even if it is a facist one.

Ignorance breeds hate Bagpuss.

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It's not ignorance as I've said before in other threads I am just using my own observations to come to my conclusion. To anyone who thinks that its good for the influx of eastern europeans currently arriving in our country needs to open their eyes.
My workplace earlier this year made 50 local people redundant stating loss of business, after they left the jobs reappeared and where filled by Polish workers doing the jobs for less money an hour. Ok you might say at least the new workers will be helping the local economy, wrong, these workers are bused in from Halifax every morning and don't spend a penny in local shops.
This is happening up and down the country nearly every delivery wagon that we get has an eastern european driver, has anyone had trouble getting a council house lately, try it and see what I mean. Local school St Annes can't cope because of the amount of Poles trying to get places in the school, if you want one for your local kids forget it.
Try registering for work at a local jobs agency if you're English you have no chance. My friend tested this out by trying to enrol at one, his first phone call he said he was called Taylor and lived in Accrington, he was told the books where full. Next day he rang again using a different voice and used the name Patel, he was again told the books where full but try again next week. His third call he used Saganowski and to his surprise he was told two local firms where recruiting and could he come and have an interview. I didn't believe this story until I listened to his recorded phone calls, this to me was enough evidence as to why we should close the borders to the eastern europeans now, so Shaker please do not tell me Im ignorant on this subject as I have heard and seen plenty of evidence.:(

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The 'evidence' is particularly biased though dont you think?

If more English workers weren't lazy arses & slogged their guts out for their cash like the Poles do, then there wouldn't be any need to bring them all in would there?
Businesses will also want the Poles as they have no belonging to the compo culture that the English are massive fans of these days.

Businesses have done similar things for decades to make the most profit out of what they have, it isn't a new thing.

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You arsehole to be blunt, I lost some good mates who where damn good workers not lazy arses as you say. They lost their jobs because of one reason the Poles where doing the job for less than the minimal wage, never did the management say if people would take a pay cut they could keep their jobs, come on open your eyes.:mad:

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not with you at all on this shaker,my late wifes nephew did not get his usual(winter job) back cos of this problem, sure theres lazy gits, but there is everywhere, n a lot of hard working people are struggling to get employment nowadays, also the "free speech" is a grey area, do you think its ok for these radicals to preach their hatred of infidels n such like,cos i certainly do not.

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I apologize for the lazy arses statement. It was out of order.
But I stand by my point about the compo culture.
It's not right that hard working people lose jobs because the Poles will work for less money, but what would you do in the business' position? You have to get the most work out of your staff for the least amount of expenditure.
On the grand scheme of things the companys have to do what's right for business.

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Surely people can use common sense to judge between having views on things and radicalising people though Cashy?

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Just a question?

If people are being laid off, and other workers are taking their jobs and working for less money, are they on less than the minimum wage, and if not, why aren't those employers being prosecuted?

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Whatever happened to the power of the unions?

Oh yeah Maggie crushed/battoned them in the 80's. This would never happen if the unions were taken notice of.

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True, but if the country was still run by the unions, the Poles, or anyone else wouldn't want to come and work here anyway.:rolleyes::D

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Is there not a law stating 100 days between redundancies and re-employment?

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thats why i say its a grey area, you cant really say i believe in free speech anymore, even though you do. commonsense and the powers that be do not sit well together in my view.;)

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and that would be a shame.:D

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I get the feeling you doubt what I am saying, from what evidence we have been able to gather is that we lost work to another site in the company hense jobs lost. 2 weeks later hey presto new orders hense the need for new workers, old jobs gone new positions with different titles but really the same jobs as the old ones, do you follow me?
This is the punchline the site that we lost the original jobs to also made employees redundant because of lost business and yes you've guessed it was the new business that we have now got. So work has been swapped around the company and over 100 UK workers have been replaced by Poles now working for less cash. :(

Still think its good business Shaker?

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I'n not doubting you old Puss, I just honestly want to know how employers are getting away with it.

Surely if they are acting illegally, they could/should be prosecuted?

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Financially speaking, yes. The business' aim is to make as much profit as possible. Of course making a lot of profit doesn't justify treating people wrongly but businesses will always bend rules & regs to make more money.

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Employers get away with allsorts because employees know they can be replaced cheaply with eastern europeans if the kick up a fuss. Even though we know what is happening I don't think it would be enough to prosecute. Someone asked the question of why they where on less money only to be told it's the new training rate, but no answer except it's none of your business came when asked how long they stay on it.

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I know of one company who pay them the correct wage but as part of the contract of employment they also house them. They charge them ridicolous rents and exhorbitant amounts for electric and gas. Nothing illegal but totally immoral.

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and all this came from me being apparently racist....oooo i say

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Not really I have one or two things festering that I need to get of my chest this subject of eastern europeans being one. Garinda was under the impression that I was hiding a dislike for the colour of peoples skin behind a hate of multiculturism this is not true I just want English people to come first in our country. Multiculturism is a cancer that we can't cure and this has now got worse by the recent influx of EE that we stupidly allowed in by being part of EU. What we need to do first is close the borders to anymore then send those that are here back, reclaim our country.:eek:

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Willow I am not stupid enough to think that we could send back people who have been here for years, I am talking about the immigrants that have arrived since the eastern european countries where allowed to join the EU.

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I never said that. I merely asked a question, to the forum in general, how employers are getting away with paying less than the minimum wage.

Don't put words in my mouth, or if you'd like to try, please feel free to quote me.

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Just seen you trawling through old threads Puss!

What you lookin' for?:D

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I've lost interest in searching for now but lets replace muslims for eastern europeans and say I've moved on for now, multicuturism or multi-racialism its all the same.:)

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I thought we'd sorted this out ages ago. I admire your upfront point of view, though I don't necessarily share those same views.

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...or should say when I forced you to stop talking in veiled riddles, and got you to say what you actually think. Which I once did.:D

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Wondered how long it would take you.

And nothing has really changed has it?

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Eastern Europeans have become the new Asians and that quote came from an Asian who I know.

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It does work both ways you know bagpuss - my cousin is out working in Poland and has been for the last 5 years.

By the way did you know people in Poland have problems finding plumbers? :D

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You've lost me.

Is it a riddle?

I never change.:)

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Good point. When we in the UK were in a depression in the eighties, I know load of tradesmen who became economic migrants, chasing tradesmens jobs all over Europe.

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There will be people in Poland who will be saying he should go home, I will say as a slight variation on my previous statement that if they have skills that this country needs then they should be allowed in on a temporary permit but currently they are coming in not for our benefit but for themselves.:mad:

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Because they are all in this country stealing our plumbers jobs.:D

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They wont do - hes actually training them to do his job for when he retires plus the company who he works for keeps asking him to go to france for stuff.

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Just like we did in the eighties. West Germany, the Netherlands, Saudi. All off trying to earn a crust for their families back home.


And despite trying to second guess me, or put words into my mouth Puss, I don't agree with an open border policy for migrants, and I don't think we should be part of the EEC.

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There will be someone because not all Polish people like the English believe it or not.;)

Theres the difference your cousin's skills are needed.

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There's always been economic migration. From the dawn of time man has wandered the globe trying to find a better life. You can't blame people for trying, though you can try and stop them. Just as the U.S. government would try and stop us from going to work/live there. Hell, the U.K. is the only damn country not eligible to enter their green card lottery draw they have. Special relationship my arse.:D

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its always puzzled me, go to spain n the train staff,taxis,electricity,postal,buses,etc etc, are all spanish, spain is a member of the EEC,yet they only employ their own, you get immigrants working in real estate @ odd soliciters but thats because much property is purchased by immigrants, whose got it right?:rolleyes:

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We are all free to go and work anywhere in Spain, or elsewhere in the EEC. The reason so few do, or that the job market is so limited for them, is that they can't speak the bloody language! ;):D

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i know that but ya WILL NOT get any of them jobs if yer Fluent in spanish.:rolleyes:

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I disagree. I have friends working in Spain, and throughout Europe, in a variety of jobs.

I think a Spaniard would find it quite hard getting a job in Accy if they didn't speak any English.

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Nearly all the eastern europeans that are currently job stealing at my workplace speak no english, their Halifax job agency has an interpreter for them.:mad:

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so have i , bet you NONE are working in those jobs i listed?

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forgot to mention,Paris n i have a friend out there who is married to a spaniard, they have 2 children n she speaks fluent spanish,she applied for a job at the local post office, no way- they never actually said it,but she had no doubt why,i was not too sad cos she works near our apt, n translates me letters n makes phone calls for us.

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End of the day Eastern Europeans come here in serch of more money than they will get in their own country. In Romania the average wage is £1200 a year. Sorry but if i was able to find a country that would pay me 9 times as much as i get in the UK then id be gone and that is exactly what they are doing. All this bickering wont stop it and yes UK people are being replaced but if a business sees a way to make more profit then thats what it will do. Ive been a victim of it but i understand it and see why it happened.

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No matter where you live wages are relative to cost of living. Ithink you might find the cost of living is much lower there.

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Oh yes it will be of course it will. But the way they are thinking is make as much money over here then once they are done take it over there and they will have much more then if they had stayed there. Alot are doing it for houses deposits and cars etc.

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Bagpuss, can understand your grievance regarding the situation of your workmates but I can't understand why you seem to want to take it out on the Poles. They are simply going where the higher wages are - who can blame them for that? As for the companies, they're paying as little as they can get away with, because, unfortunately, that's what companies do.

The real culprits are the politicians in Westminster who took us into the EU with its commitment to "free movement of people". Which means that we have now arrived at the frankly ludicrous situation where, for example, a brain surgeon from Mexico would not be allowed to enter the country, but a beggar from Romania would be completely free to do so.

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dont forget they can also get child benerfit for there children that dont live here no wonder this countrie is in such a mess millons of pounds of tax payers money going out off the countrie .fair play if they live here and there parents are paying in to the system

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personally i have always said, i do not blame the immigrants whatever nationality,theres nowt wrong with wanting a better deal for your family,the blame lies with the system that allows it. its that simple.;)

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Now this is what I call lunacy, is this the case davo69?:confused:

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yes this is very true

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Good grief, the lunatics 'have' took over the asylum.:eek:

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ive heard it all now,would welcome a comment from our MP if this is the case,would love to know where he stands on this.:confused:

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take a look at this.People.co.uk - News - HAND ME £75 AND I'LL GET CHILD BENEFIT FOR YOUR KIDS .. IN POLAND!

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thanks davo, this loophole should be closed PDQ.:mad:

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No wonder u cant get thro to the child benefit agency these days & why our own countrymen cannot sort their own genuine claims out cos of the influx of foreign fraud, makes my blood boil:mad:

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The benifits agency seems to be worried about others and not their own and again shows how screwed up this country is. Ours suffer while others receive and its madness utter madness.

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Go on then.. seeing as I am in a brave but daft mood.. I will bite... How are "ours" suffering while others recieve?

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And you wonder why people vote BNP, as Jegsy Dodd would say "give me the gun".

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Now that has really turned me into an 'anti', when I think of the hoops I personally had to jump through to get DLA, being turned down 3 times, these people can come here and stick their hand in the 'pot,' a pot I mighn't add they have contributed nothing to, is a downright scandal. Come on Greg Pope justify this!:mad:

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Who said it was just Poles, I keep saying Eastern Europeans because we have others as well as Poles.:mad:

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Didn't the scapegoat start with those nasty, greedy Jews last time?

Then it was the ******, then the disabled, then the faggots.

Soon there'll be no one left to blame...except of course who really should be held to account, the government, and not the people trying to make a better life for themselves, just as I'm sure we all would, in their situation.

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What are you implying ???

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Not really rindy these days Britain seems intent on being taken over by foreign inhabitation of this green & pleasant land once was:(

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I'm implying nothing.

As stated in the above posts, the people aren't the real problem, the system of government that allows an open border policy is.

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I promised myself I wouldn't post on this thread as I would probably end up ranting.

I failed :D.
Bagpuss

If the companies are employing peole under minimum wage it is ILLEGAL. Name and shame then they can be done. I know investigators who work for HMRC so name and sahme and I'll tell them.

As regards Poles, Romanians, Slovenians, Lithuanians et al "stealing" our jobs, that is b*llsh*t. You can't blame them for taking jobs offered.

It's the comapanies your ire should be aimed at. They are the scum who sacked you and took on cheap labour in the same way that companies close businesses down here and open sweat shops in Vietnam.

At the moment you look like a vitriolic racist. Aim your anger at the cause not the symptom.

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Without wanting to appear patronising, this is where the problem lies, as I said in my previous post Why Mr Pope?:confused:

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OK, Eastern Europeans, but you talk like they're doing something underhand and illegal. They are, in fact, exercising their rights, as EU citizens to come to this country. Instead of whipping up feeling against them, why not ask your MP why this situation is occuring?

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They don't pay under the minimum wage just less than the normal and call it a training rate.

I can blame who I want and I blame them and the Govenment and the employers and you and me for allowing it to get this far.

Who said I had been sacked?

Yes that's me - Bitterly scathing

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2.7 million on incapacity benefit, no wonder the Easter Europeans view Britian as th land of milk and honey

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Some people are on incapacity for a reason.

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What a well thought out comment :rolleyes::(

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i have to agree with you on this one shaker
my own personal experience was not good
when i was on first buses they brought a load of poles over
now previous to this all the existing drivers were sloging their guts out doing overtime just to keep things running as soon as the poles arrived all overtime was reserved for them and not the existing drivers who had pulled them out of the proverbial
anyone who said anything was instantly disciplined and drivers were laid off left right and centre to make way for the poles

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What are you agreeing with him on?:confused:

Another example of job stealing Eastern Europeans who would not be here but for stupid rules that allow them and the the management that employ them to exploit us in our own country.:mad:

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sorry meant to say disagree!!!! damned french keyboards lol

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sure ya dont mean " french wine" jedi?:D

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now that would be telling lol.