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As u gathered with 'what wound u up thread' im having serious issues with passport agency over my 1st passport - yeh over 31 & applying for my 1st passport what a shocker!! They still not processing my application because they dont beleive i am who i claim i am - most of u know my circumstances but this is seriously hindering anything i do. Im a english woman born & bred here as many generations of my family - YET they are claiming with threats of terrorism & passport fraud this over pedantic method is to prevent that mmm!!! Problem is they want to see proof via letter that im resident here etc etc, they wanted letter one off the list of that covers the whole period from jan 06 - present day: Employer - i dont have one Benefits agency proff of claims - errr dont claim benefit now Tax credit - only just got new claim sorted - so not covering the period above! HM services - no im not in the army/forces Morgage co/Landlord - have landlord but council rent book/their official letters to me ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH neither is this years council tax Dentist - erm only got a dentist this year thanks to G Pope so doesn't cover the period they want!! SO WTF DO I DO then when none of the above apply ?????????????????? SO i sent them sols letter to to proof my circumstances 2005! Council tax official bill Rent book - this & last years Letter from greg pope to NHS with my details on 2006 TV licence - another GOV doc 2006/7 Driving licence provisional with signature & details ^^^ the above cost a bit in postage which passport ag dont cover - YET NOT GOOD ENOUGH!!! Im not using another name - i got divorced which they have proof of. What more proof do they damn want!!?????:mad::mad::mad: Funny i cant ask them that cos they damn wont answer the phone to me gggrrr:mad::mad::mad: Annoying when the passport agency has been reported in the press for their willy nilly approach to foreigners getting passports without a prob for those claiments!! This country is going to the dogs bigtime - no wonder they wont give me a passport - cos i may damn well not come back to the 'green & pleasant land' - my arse!! GGGRRRRRRRRRR:mad: |
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mel are you ringing london? or liverpool? i would suggest you turn up in liverpool if they are dealing with it .....it might help seeing you in person. mind you id be livid too...sounds stupid to me .
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It is Liverpool thats dealing with it - probably not letting me the genuine person so they can use my details & passport for some illigal!!! Im sooooo angry cos a passport costs a fortune that we've paid them, funny is the child passports are here ready for use YET they are not allowing mine - which is what i dont get?!!
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The thing thats breaking me up to pieces is that 4/5 of my family can now have a lovely holiday somewhere nice but cos of this crap i feel im spoiling it for them cos its a case of they go without me or stay & suffer because of me - thats killing me:(
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why don't you try contacting Greg Pope and asking him the questions you have asked on here....it may help....and it can't hurt to let your MP know of the difficulty that a bona fide resident of this country has.
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Oh Mel they are a waste of space.
Me and Ginger applied for our passports 2 weeks ago. When I was filling the forms in it said " If born after 1983 you need to send Mother or fathers Birth certificate and if you are applying for first time passport"....... so I told Ginger to ring them and ask why they needed parents Birth certificates when it clearly states on OUR Birth certificates where our parents were born.:( Cut a long story short after ringing them 4 times about this matter ( because Ginger lost contact with his mother years ago) 3 people told us we needed the Birth certificates and 1 person said " no if you was born after 1983 you dont need to send parents certificates" Talk about right hand not knowing what left hand is doing. " So in the end I just sent our forms off WITHOUT parents B/C's. Even when we were doing check and send she said " oh they will probably send them back asking for Parents B/C's" ..... I told her we'd risk it. Hey presto 7 days later my passport back. 9 days later Gingers back!!!!! It's a absolute disgrace that they don't even know all information!!! Then we found out that as from 1st July 2007 for your first passport check and send is free!!! and post office isn't allowed to charge!!! they charged me cheeky gits, so I am reclaiming it. AND another thing, I didn't know til all this, that you can apply for anyone's birth certificate :eek:........ We rang Yorkshire where Gingers mum was born and asked " is it possible to get my mothers birth certificate?? " " oh yes just give us her name, D.O.B and we will send it through the post" .... omg alot of people see this as a form of identification, and you can request one over the phone :mad: hmmmmm worrying. |
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Slinks, from reading that I think you are saying that they were your first passports ? Is that correct ?
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Do u know Slinky - u hit the nail on the head there, exactly what i was saying to Dave, that THEY should be checking me out & with all the documentation i sent - including greg pope - all they need to do is ring those people to verify - BUT no they want a stupid letter only - yet all the docments i sent are originals [i so hope they dont lose them] of various people official that have had personal dealing with me - even HH, but they want just a letter headed letter, that if u were of fraudulent mind could docter anyway!!! Makes me highly suspicious that they are not contacting the people i've forwarded that are technically on their list of approved, seems they want me to do their job for them by prooving meself!!!
Errrr what am i paying my passport for at extortionate rates??? :mad: |
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Awww Mel, what a horrid situation to be in.
They are usless because due to a serious error at the Passport Office, I have 2 passports!! I lost mine and only realised a week before I was going on holiday, so I phoned them up and asked if I could go down, so I went to Liverpool on the Monday to take all my forms etc.. and returned on Friday to pick it up. No problems, anyway I went on holiday and when I returned I had a package from the Passport agency - a 2nd Passport!!:confused: I phoned them up to tell them and they just said "oh its fine, you can use it in an emergency" (I did feel better though when I went to live in Cyprus as my Mum kept one of them just incase!) Your situation is very baffling, I have had my name changed by deed poll and that caused no problems aswell. So with all the ID you have sent them I can't understand what the problem is, have they actually said that they don't think you are who you are. The only things I could suggest is, as Mez said turn up at the passport office and stamp your feet until you get to see someone senior, or go to see Greg Pope personally and see what he suggests. You might not get anywhere with that one, but at least you have tried. What about getting in touch with a newspaper?? |
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I worried about getting the full birth certs & it is reletively easy to get one without being asking for id or proof of who u are & relation to the persons birth cert u require - shocking!!!
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Eventually i get thro to the person dealing with my claim - now on phone fanging!
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Absolute disgrace.:(
I'd be on to the papers if it's not sorted pronto, and your family holiday is at risk. Like Marg said, try Greg Pope, that's what he's there fore. |
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The reason I asked is because we were under the impression that all first time applicants now have to have an interview. On closer reading of the information on the passport office website it contradicts itself by saying in one paragraph you may have to have an interview then in the next paragraph saying you will required to have an interview :confused: Quote:
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Just a note.
I've just renewed my passport, even though it had three years to run. The reason being that from next year, even for renewals, we'll all have to go to Liverpool for eye recognition and laser finger printing, as part of the supposed drive for greater security. You can add any unused time on to your new passport. |
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Problem is that one of the reasons we think there are problems ( ie electoral roll privacy for protection reasons ) is also the reason Mel can't go to the papers
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Unbeleiveable silly moo even admitted my point - its upto me to prove who i am not for them to check me :eek: :mad: still on phone!
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Sorry to hijack your thread Mel, but might help some other people.
A renewed message about passports, and time running out I have for some weeks been urging readers to renew their passports, because you will soon not be able to do this without being fingerprinted and placed forever on the national identity register. I think fingerprinting is for burglars, and registers are for sex offenders, and I am afraid that millions of people are as yet unaware that this is going to happen. I don't want anyone to be taken by surprise when it does. If you want to be registered as if you were a cow, and fingerprinted as if you were a mugger, then fine. If not, you need to act soon. Please do spread the warning as widely as you can The interrogation centres where the fingerprinting will be done are being built and equipped, right now. And at some point in the next 18 months, perhaps much sooner, those who seek to renew their passports will be told they cannot do so unless they attend at one of these centres, often quite distant from their homes. I suspect there will be no warning, just an announcement that this is now the rule. The law has already been passed, and merely needs to be brought into force. The price of renewal goes up in October, yet another reason to get on with it. Here are some questions and answers which may help those who have not yet acted. Q. My passport is valid until 2014. Why renew now? A. Because if you wait until 2014, and probably a great deal sooner than that, you will have to be fingerprinted and registered forever on a state database, simply to get a new passport, whether or not you wish to have a supposedly 'voluntary' Identity Card. Q. How soon will this happen? A. I do not know. The preparations are far advanced and the law already in place. My guess is that you are safe for some months yet, but I cannot be sure. My advice is to renew as soon as your summer holiday is over. Q. Officials say that this change only affects new applicants and I do not need to worry. A. This is a confusion of two completely different things. Pay no attention. New applicants do already need to attend an interview. Fingerprinting and registration are a separate issue, and have not yet come in. But they will. Q. Do I get any credit for the unexpired time on my old passport? A. Yes, you get a maximum of nine months credit for unexpired time. Q. Can I do this at any time? A. Yes, you can. You're the one paying the fee. Q. I'm told that new passports are microchipped. Surely that means this is all too late? A. They are microchipped, but the microchip - at present - contains only the normal information written in your passport. Some people may find this objectionable, but it is nothing like as objectionable as being fingerprinted. Q. Surely, once ten years are up, I'll have to be fingerprinted and registered anyway, and this is all futile? A. Not necessarily. If enough people renew early, it will be a sign of major resistance to the Identity Card scheme, and political pressure will grow for its abandonment. Also, if , ten years hence, several million people - whose passports all come up for renewal in the same short period - all refuse to be fingerprinted and registered, will the government be able to refuse them all the right to go abroad? Now, and ten years hence, it faces the government with real, effective resistance. Please tell all your friends to act now. 26 June 2007 | Permalink | Comments (22) Share this article: What is this?
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When my mate was applying for his, they said they wouldn't be calling for interviews for people that didn't have a local office to be interviewed at, because apparently they have to pay for traveling costs if it is a certain millage out of their way. God knows Dave...... I seriously think they are making their minds up as they go along!! |
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I will win I will win pedantic gets!
They are ringing me back - funny if they check my forms its the same number as she has to speak to her supervisor mmm cos i wouldnt let it lie they are now arguing over 1/2 sodding months of 2006 that i didnt cover - so im arguing my sols letter they are now checking that with electoral role [i did remind them im not on it] ummmmm she will ring back in 15mins! I argued point over the above post for all you tax payers ^^ not happy & still got big guns to come out if still no resolution - i bet they put me for that interview now! |
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No they won't :) Just seen that nearest one to here is Glasgow or Peterborough. That would be a hell of a travel expense bill :) |
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Are you having problems with kids passports mel ??
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Garinda, you won't have to go to Liverpool as they are opening a passport office in Blackburn.
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Thats one of the most stupid points. The kids passports have arrived, they accept Mel is their mother but she can't have a passport :mad: |
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Ah well not looking good unless i want to pay private fee for having a letter done by my doctor - that is the only way & i know my doctor - it'll be an expensive letter!
She wont even take a letter from Greg Pope, whom i will be contacting anyway as this is not only a constitutional issue but national issue that they government proposals on what it is seen to stop terrorism & fraud is simply stopping ordinary folk born & bred going anywhere! Looks like theres no holiday sun for me im afraid - i better make most of yorkshire :( I knew my complicated life would get in the way & it has i cannot escape the bully that has ruined my life! |
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It's rumoured they already have a passport office in Blackburn but the government are thinking of opening an official one as well :):rolleyes: |
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Accy mel Hope you get sorted and have a fantastic holiday to make up for all the hassles you are having now.
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Mel get onto Greg Pope NOW and tell him that you are about to lose your holiday through no fault of your own.....see what he can do.
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I feel so much like a criminal just for being here & im ruining my familys fun:( |
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Get the letter off the doctor and then we will fight the b**stards for compensation afterwards. With a bit of luck the woman concerned will marry somebody who tries to kill her then she can suffer the same way :mad: |
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So they accept Mel is their mother, but they won't accept she is who she is?? My god they get thicker!!!! |
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Mel they may have his letter with the phone number on it,but I would still get in touch with the man himself and ask him if there is anything he can do to help.......maybe a phone call from him to them would speed things up....when do you go on hols? can you get to Liverpool to see them in person?
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Believe me I know how frustrated you are!!! Don't these people realize that not all lives are plain simple and cut and dried and that things happen that we have no control over that makes us seem a bit odd?? :mad::mad: I'm glad I managed to beat the buggers, and when I am sat in a lovely country with sun sea and BEER, I will gladly stick my middle finger up at the passport office with no thanks to them. ROLL ON OCTOBER I SAY!!!! |
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Totally agree. Unfortunatley we will have to go through the 'proper' channels but I will make sure this is taken as far as possible up the complaint ladder. |
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I blame your Christopher Hitchen in the Mail on Sunday for starting the panic.:D |
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I think a letter from doctors is either £10 or £20
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Spoken to my local DV unit about this matter they advised me to email Greg & Harriet Harmen [whom DV unit has had meetings with], dont know what they can do about it but again as in my life 'i suffer so those before me dont' as again i face a new wall apparently life would determine me for that job :(
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God pass - hard to do an email or call MPs when one is in such emotional distress & without getting mad, swearing or in floods of tears - this is what this mess has done to me, im beginning to wish i'd stayed in bed today is definately one of those days.
There are things i should be doing rather than still in jammys just had brekki after a morning & half spent on this load of shiiiii! |
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So to sum up, despite you paying taxes in the past & the government paying you our taxes in child benefit and benefits, the passport office refuse to beleive you are a British Citizen. This makes you an illegal immigrant which technically gives you more rights to a British passport than you have now anyway. :rolleyes:
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Isn't Christopher Hitchen the atheist brother of Peter Hitchen, who is the journalist in the Mail?????
Anyway, they don't ake as much notice of those renewing their passports(well, at present, anyway) they are more interested in those requesting passports for the first time. |
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Good grief Mel. That's a horrendous saga and absolutely ludicrous on the part of the Passport Office.
How on earth can they have happily given your children their passports with you as their mother if they still don't believe you are you? Sheer, total, absolute, utter madness! I can understand how you feel like you are bashing your head against an unrelenting brick wall. Busman and I went through a similar ever decreasing circle when we got married. I didn't want to change my name to Mrs. Busman out of deference to my kids and their relationship with their deceased father but equally Busman didn't want to become Mr. Whisp. So we opted for a hyphen. We asked at the register office how we go about officially becoming Mr & Mrs Busman-Whisp (or Whisp-Busman) and were told that once we had signed the cert in our old names that was it - just tell the world that our new name was the double barrelled one and hey presto all would be well. Oh yeah? So we try to get it changed on the electoral roll and they want documentation from the Bank, so we try to get it changed at the Bank and they want documentation from the council! Aaaargh! :bangh8: Eventually I found one obscure storecard of mine which would simply accept my word for it and that started the ball rolling and eventually others followed on from that until eventually I think we got through to everybody but it took months. Also it never ceases to amaze me how many organisations accept a birth certificate as proof of ID when I, as an amateur genealogist, know that it is no such thing. I have applied for umpty million birth, marriage and death certificates on behalf of people whose family trees I have been tracing and you don't even have to be related to the person never mind BE them! I do wish you luck Mel and hope that you can get through this stupid mess and get somebody to see sense. Don't give up. When are you planning on going on holiday? Here are contact details for Greg Pope if that helps. |
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Well in the eyes of this country im just a mother - no person in my own right - gee felt like that at times but never thought that would actually be the truth. Would of gone if all was well in Aug sometime but seems cos of me that might be kyboshed or they may just go without me. No matter which way atm i really depressed about this issue:(
Not even changed names just went back to birth yeh i was told the same thing about it being easy too - absolutely not would of been easier to change name by deed poll in the long run. |
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Mohammed Patel Bashir Aktar Try any of them and you will be the proud owner of a passport in just 7 days :( |
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I really don't get what their problem is Mel.. What else can you do to prove who you are?? I know you have mentioned benefits, have you thought of Family allowance, as there has been no break in benefit and you have claimed for that since the kids were born so they will have continuous addresses for you??
Just a thought!!! Hope you sort it.. Ps. Why can't you use the tenancy agreement as proof of address?? |
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As for tenancy agreement - it wouldnt do altho the passport agency knows previous name used, as i have been in my birth name & im using that they wanted - clarifying which i have but the reason why my tenancy agreement [cos i had to do a new one with HH takeover last yr] they bozed that up too as i posted http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...nce-22108.html So that wont do now:( very picky indeed are the passport agency. But they do realise i rent my house & they dont want HH proof they want other proof too. |
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but what about the child benefit Mel??
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I got enough hassle today for sending them alternative proof rather than what they wanted!! |
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Well all I can say is what a load of jobsworths they are....I think its going to have to be a trip to liverpool for you to at least speak to someone in person!! wish there was something I could do to help!!
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Hi Accymel, sorry to hear about this. If you are still having problems do give my office a call on 01254 382283. If I'm there I'll try and help, if I'm not ask for Julie and we'll take it up with the Passport Agency and see if something can be done.
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Why don't you just sneak on the plane with the others, and when you get there claim political asylum!
You might get a house, which would make a lovely holiday home.:D |
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It just doesn't seem to make sense Mel. I do hope Greg can sort it out for you.
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And if you need your old Dad to help out Mel, just give me a call - I'll go with ya to Liverpool or Greg Popes office - after all I should know who you are even better than the doc........lol
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Mel, what are you waiting for Greg has offered you some help? Grab it girl with both hands....do not give up on your hopes for a holiday.
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I promise not to sing Mel. ;)
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Like it Willow :D
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CAnt do owt till tommoz will give Gregs office a call - tried to pm/email but it went boobies up as my day hasnt been full of luck, then im supposed to be off for a week visiting family friend so means a week delay now & cant let my ill friend down but at same time need to sort this out if the rest of my family dont want me bozing up their summer as done already, so completely tied atm, just wish this could of happened last week so least something could be sorted.
Hope to speak to you soon Greg & dad if they dont accept u & greg as me proof im seriously buggered on every front:eek: |
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Good luck accymel....I am saying one to St Jude.......OK, I know he is the patron saint of lost causes......but after how today's gone I think it is fair to give him a chance (ST Jude, that is).
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Lets get a squad together and go and boot some butt. Ironic all this carry on yet they will tax you for every penny as a resident British citizen because they are sure you are one. Hang in there Mel it will be ok eventually.
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Its a shambles when you can not get one without all the messing and if i was you i would get on to mp and see what he,will do for you.
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Ive come up with another idea why you havent got your passport Mel!!! :D
Im saying it before Dave starts!!! :D:D:D Its because i signed your photos that i knew you!!! lol :D:D:D Sorry Mel :D:D:D |
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The truth always comes out in the end. Mind you they acepted the kids ones so perhaps they are thinking of shifting them on to live up the road :D |
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Update before i go o'er peninnes, i rang Gregs Office this morning & spoke to Julie, whom was expecting my call LOL cheers Greg:thumbsup: seems there is something they can do over this ludicrous passport saga - especially as they sent the kids ones without a prob. SO i have left it in good hands - least get the ball rolling whilst im away:D
Least i can say for Hyndburn is that we have an excellent MP & over the years has helped me out tremendously as now - so thanks Greg & his team :D |
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Oooo i hope it gets sorted Mel and great that Greg has replied to this and fingers crossed his intervention can do something..in fact gave him karma :D
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Good to hear Mel.:)
Fingers crossed.:) The power of Accy Web strikes again.:) |
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I did :D lol Really grateful to everyone too for their help & moral support letting me vent off safely LOL:D |
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Aye thats the beauty of it - its a real community spirit here, Mez was talking about taking the Accyweb {MAFIA** down to sort em out hehehehhehehe - cheers Mez for your phone support too:D |
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Good to hear that it's looking promising Mel.
Karma on its way to Greg from me for being such a brilliant MP and fellow AccyWebber and helping you out on this. Now I'll be looking for an internet cafe while I'm away so I can bob in for updates! :D Good luck and I'm sure you mind is more at rest now as you head over into deepest darkest Yorkshire without a passport. ;) |
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You're ok Mel they let me in and out of yorkshire quite frequently so if I get away with it I'm sure you will too :D
Enjoy your break |
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Hope it all goes well for you Mel....got everything crossed.
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great news that something may be moving your way mel, greg if you read this & are home this weekend and are able to spare 1/2hr please call into the peel park you deserve some pints ...thats saturday night by the way.
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Just an update on this in Mel's absence and with her being offline at the moment.
The good news is that various communications have taken place between Greg's office, Hynburn Homes and the passport office and Mel should see her passport soon. Well done to Greg for picking up on it and an extra well done to Julie his office for the work done and even more the communication. The bad news for Mel is she doesn't yet know I have only bought her a one way ticket abroad :rofl38::rofl38: |
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great news dave on passport front ....you cruel sod after all the hard work she's put in to get the thing your only letting her use it the once .....:eek:......:D:D:D:D
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That's great news Dave, so there's no point me offering my company for the holiday anymore?? :D:rolleyes:;)
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Nah I've left her in Yorkshire for a few more days....... now thats being cruel :D:D |
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Another thing about passports - why do you have to have 6months still valid on them to travel to most countries? We were just about to book a last minute holiday to get away for a week in the summer holidays and then realised that the kids passports both expire in Jan 08. This, of course, means less that 6 months to go on them.
If you have to have 6 months left on your passport why do you have to buy a 10 year one, why not a nine and half year one? |
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It's mainly because you are allowed to stay in countries that don't require visas for up to 6 months. (At least that's what I got told.) |
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And yes as Stanaccy has said it all depends on the countries allowance for anyone to stay without a visa |
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hallelujah......and well done to Greg Pope and his staff for their work.
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I got my passport & all my documents back YIPPEE! At long last cant thank Greg & Julie enough:thumbsup:
Yeh i got thro visa control in the Dales on the east coast also with a suntan - floods one week, heatwave next [i got the heatwave one heheehehehe:D] it'll pee it down tommoz again now ive gone:rofl38: |
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That's great news.:) Have a fantastic holiday when you go.:) |
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I reckon you should write to the Observer too and sing Greg's praises; it might shut Farrer up for another week !:p
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great result mel, well pleased for ya.:)
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Great news Mel :) and the bit above is oh so true:o |
Re: Passport making me example ?
OMG.....................OBSERVER.......TODAY :mad::mad::mad:
" The response from gary Martin in last weeks observer to my letter on 27th July was what I expected from the Labour loving, Britcliffe-hating clan on ACCYWEB, a web site that does not Tolerate Dissenters to the Labour cause but merely disenfranchises them." :mad::mad::mad: |
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