One guy's way of getting back at smoking ban.
 

i can't remember where i saw it, news or in the paper but anyway..

what he plans to do is, if he see's someone sat outside his pub with the smoker's who's drinking and not smoking he's going to say 'scuse me you cant drink that out here' if the drinker says why he's going to say 'smokers out here sorry and you dont smoke'

i know it seems very childish but you can kind of see the point he's making. people are descriminated for smoking why should'nt none smokers be descriminated also. i personally dont smoke and dont care if someone next to me is smoking, quite a touchy subject for some people though.

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yeh i saw it also, think its hilarious.;)

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yea its funny for being immature but you can kind of understand where he's coming from. he is right in a way lol.

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He won't get away with it, they will just tell him where to go

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they would if he tried it in a pub round here lol. might work in some nancy pub down south though.

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Smokers Hit Back In War Over Lighting Up (from Lancashire Telegraph)

As shown in above link from today's Telegraph,there is a cafe in Darwen which is not allowing non-smokers to sit outside.Good for them I say.They (non-smokers)don't like it when they're not made welcome somewhere do they?Well,the non-smokers can't have it both ways.They've got us smokers standing outside in December in hail/rain/snow etc and outside is the only place we can go for a ciggy now.I knew they'd all start moaning sooner or later that it was unpleasant when sitting outside because of the smoke.Well GET BACK INSIDE then.We're not all going to go and live on another planet for you,you know!:(

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well said lilly, the sanctimonious gits will winge about anything.:D

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i dont smoke an i agree, its descrimination no matter what you do these days. they ban smoking in pubs because peopel moaned, now their moaning when you've been sent outside. talk about having your cake and eating it. greedy bastards.

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LMAO Liam very very true!!! :D:D

The thing is, where I work we have had a marquee ( we had to put 50p each towards buying it) put up for the smokers. Now the thing that I find odd is that all the non smokers still come and sit with us smokers outside on breaks. Now I know why they do it, because us that smoke are the FUN people, that have a good laugh on break, and if the non smokers sat inside at break they would die of boredom because most of the non smokers are a bloody miserable bunch!! :D BUT we have made them pay 50p towards the marquee, because if they want to use it, they pay the same, simple as. AND we put a sign up saying " fully payed up members only " :D seems childish, but hey ho ;)

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love it slinks, stuff em.:D

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they wanted you outside in the first place so make them pay. i go in the willow mount club playing snooker and theyve even put up a bus shelter type thing outside.

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Good on you Slinky, more people should follow your example:D

Smokers strike back
 

The headlines in todays LET are about a Darwen cafe that won't let nosmokers use the outside tables to take refreshments only smokers are allowed, one up for smokers I think:Banane45::Banane45::Banane45::Banane45:

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Got No Business Sense At All

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not even got common sense:confused:

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Think we've got a double thread here.This is being discussed on another thread called 'one guy's way of getting back at the smoking ban':)

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its ok lilly, the mods will sort it out

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good for him I totally agree... ( I hope he gets enough smokers to fill his tables though) I am sure he will:

Was out the other week and some person... was moaning ( the beer garden is full of smokers) being that children read here I wont say what was shouted at her....

I also think that children should not be allowed in pubs ( unless there is a children's area for them) sick of listening to crying babbies and flipping moaning kids)

bottle of pop and a pkt of crisps and outside they should sit.... imo

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seems smokers cant win whatever they do, they get booted out then get moaned at for being outside......bless (and yes im a smoker).......ish

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I say lets all GAG the non smokers that complain constantly. I mean my cigarettes smoke annoy them, there for I have to go out side. They annoy me! therefor lets GAG them!!! :D

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there's nowt worse than a reformed smoker though slinks.....they are the worst

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And they are always telling you how easy it is to give up, thing is I don't want to give up:(

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It's easy giving up!! i have done it loads of times :D

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ive only smoked about ten fags in the last 3 weeks, i'll never be a none smoker though, its aint in mi stars ;)

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Best discussion was last week on Jeremy Vine .. woman complaining couldn't sit in her favourite seat outside any more due to smoker's occupancy .. and didn't want smoker's smoke 'directing at her face'. Her advocate was a straight forward talking man (some rang in to complain about his rudeness :D) and gave her short shift on what a stupid woman she was .. whose gonna' blow it in anyone's face anyway ? He did try to explain that being in the outside and smoking was not going to harm her in anyway but, no, she had to go on and on .. would love to hear it all again .. didn't catch it all. Was brilliant.

First time I have been out since smoking ban was at the Accyweb meet at Peel Park. A group of us were outside, landlady came to door and one of our members enquired how things were .. she stated extremely aggresively that 'was best thing that has happened'. She could have said this with slightly modified inflections .. we all went quiet .. state your opinion .. yes .. but thought she was rude, and wouldn't like to get on the wrong side of her at all. :(

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not being funny or anything but why is she a landlady if she doesnt like smokers? if i felt that badly about smokers i wouldnt become a publican

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Is it still sulky sue that has it?? the women that used to own the Grey horse?? if so..... i wouldn't worry about it, I have NEVER EVER seen a smile on that womens face!!! Miserable trout!!

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oh yes i know who you mean slinks, me n tinks have encountered her on many occasions ;)

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The thing is tho Liam,ya can't smoke in bus shelters anymore so how do they get away with that one:confused:

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Let him do it if he doesnt want a successful business. Why irritate customers?

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Because none smokers aint making people breathe harmful substances?

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if people dont like breathing in harmful substances then they should bloody well keep away from them, its their choice

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Then why would non smokers want to stand outside his pub with the smokers then?? :confused: doesn't seem brainy to me. they moan when we smoke, but yet still come outside and stand with the smokers.............Hmmmmmmmmmm

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Are'nt the non smokers driving cars that make us breathe obnoxious deadly fumes and fly in planes that send down the sames deadly fumes. Come on now all of you, get a life and enjoy it while you can. We are not on this earth forever.

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i think its pathetic. my partner smokes and i dont so what they trying to say that i aint allowed to stand out side i have to sit inside on my own.
this is a stupid thing it is childish and i dont see where hes cuming from

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You'll have to save the seats inside whilst he goes out for a fag:D

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why do these smokers think they have pulled one over on the non smokers it isnt the non smokers that are actually saying you aint allowed to smoke inside its the goverment.... dont forget that this is england and it will be raing again these next few weeks so you can keep your tables outside your cafe i would rather be sat inside when its rang thank you very much lol

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It is two women who own a cafe in Darwen, they say that they refuse to serve non-smokers who are sitting on seats provided for smokers outside the cafe. I can see their point in one way, these people won't want to be outside in the winter yet smokers have no choice. They reckon that they are not bothered if people are offended and take their custom elsewhere as most of their regulars are smokers.

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Yes fair enough, but 1 smoker per pub and you'd have a whole town where people couldn't go, how is that fair?

Some people don't smoke but don't mind other people smoking.

Smokers also drive cars. I don't see where the relevance is in this thread.

If you want to suggest banning cars because of the fumes in general (not specifying that they are non-smokers) then thats another story but has nothing to do with the fact taht non-smokers drive cars.

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the government are hypocrits, they say DONT SMOKE in public places, but yet they refuse to stop selling fags cos they make them too much money........its a loada testicles if you ask me

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Very true lol.The non smokers are always going to be moaning about smokers until either
1)Smokers go and live on another planet
2)Fags are banned or
3)Fags are put up to £500 a packet and then no-one can afford them

Until one of the above occurs non-smokers will always be irritated by our very existence.

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*shaz sparks up a fag*

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and Lilly joins her:D

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it must be a family thing ;)

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Well,they say smoking's a disease don't they? Well I'd sooner have that than TB:)

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my grandad had TB

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Yeah and you don't even get the added luxury of buying TB :)

And TB isn't as good after sex :D

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Apologies:o.I've sent you a pm.

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if people want to smoke its their choice. if people want to not smoke its their choice then stay away from the smokers. they say breathing in secondhand smoke is harmful but there's alot more REAL harmful things in the world than smoke. im telling you, the worlds going to end up where you have to ask permission to do anything. so much for freedom of speech and human rights.

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We had a couple of non smoking whingers in the pub the other night. They were complaining because it was a nice night & all the outside seating was full of people smoking.

:confused:

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For Christ sake lmao ............ we abide my the law and we still get complained at lmao

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We just can't win so we might as well just ignore the whingeing gits and enjoy our ciggies, if they want to be miserable let them:D

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i've grown up around smokers, who give a **** seriously wether people smoke next to or near me :confused:

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Yeah but you watch.......... next it will be " ALL smokers must vacate their outside seats for the non smokers that wish to sit down " :D:D:D would not surprise me at all :rolleyes:

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I think they would get a few choice words off a lot of people.:rolleyes:

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I cant believe there are people actually argueing for being able to smoke around other people who dont smoke. Tabaco should be illegal full stop. Its a terrible, harmful substance and the entire industry is sick.

I dont smoke (not a surprise given my last comments) and i cant understand why anybody would. Do you people have any idea how much treatin cancer that could never have happened with out tabaco costs thing country each year? and not just people who smoke but passive smokers to.

People will moan and cry about having to stand outside and smoke but one day nobody will smoke at all, it will all slowly die out and then people will say 'i cant believe people back then actually smoked that stuff, didnt they know it was killing them?'

Smokers say it harms their freedom and human rights, but what about the freedom and human rights of the ever increasing non-smoking people of this country?

If you think its ok to smoke in a pub full of other people then surely it should also be ok to smoke crack, weed or any other substance in the same place, after all they are all just as harmful.

In fact if smoking in a room full of other people is ok then it should be ok for me to walk in with a big bag of asbestos dust and start shakeing it around the room for people to breath in.

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Both smoking threads have been merged into one thread
as they are talking about the same thing its pointless having 2 threads

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Oh dear, Mr. Flibble, this is just pre-ban campaigning stuff and most smokers are willing to succumb to this decision.. what is being discussed now is the non-smokers grumbling about not being able to get seats outside. Please bear in mind though that most seating areas outside the pubs were not there before, and only constructed to accommodate people who wished to smoke without it affecting others, whilst having their beer. So they have only gained.

Again, the tax from cigarettes pulls in enough revenue to cover any smoking related diseases and plenty left over for other treatments within the NHS.

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Are there statistics that back this up?

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Quite ironic from somebody whose other thread is about the state of the town centre at night due to the over-indulgence of alchohol. If I were down town on a Saturday night I can assure you I would feel far safer stood next to somebody who had just smoked ten fags in the last hour than somebody who had just drunk ten pints :rolleyes:

Which do you reckon does more damage to this country tobacco or alchohol ? I know which gets my vote.

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i hope one day you will be a happy person,and make sensible comments about what the threads about,instead of being a miserable git.:p

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Well I cerainly don't start kicking f... out of anything and everything when I have had few fags(must say I don't do it when I have had a few drinks either) but in reply to your question alcohol without a doubt.:rolleyes:

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Certainly when my nurse daughter was doing studies, she had papers that backed this up. Sure could find if you google Cyfr. Only one can find at the moment is this:-

KeepTheDoctorAway - Smoking: The Statistics

A little puzzled though as they talk about revenue of £8,000 million which to me is 8 Billion, then talk in billions when stating costs .. am I getting my arithmetic wrong ?

Can't see how they can attribute all days off by smokers to smoking .. suppose they just put this down if you have a cold or chest infection which non smokers suffer from too .. :confused:

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I think that it is stretching the point a bit too far to include working days lost and widow's benefits in any calculation of the costs of Tobacco Abuse. But then, health facists are not renowned for balanced argument.

I am not sure that the guy in Darwen has got the right idea in carrying the segregation so far but it does show non-smokers in a very hypocritical light and if they do not like the idea of segregating smokers they always have the option of petitioning the government for a relaxation of the ban.

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Estimated cost of smoking related diseases to NHS £1,500 million.

Total cost of revenue raised from tobacco £8 billion.


Nicotine addiction and smoking cessation treatments -- Luty 8 (1): 42 -- Advances in Psychiatric Treatment

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Just to clarify, unless I'm getting my millions and billions mixed up, the cost to NHS £1.5 billion, tax raised from smokers £8 billion.

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In that case im glad they haven't banned smoking. If my mum and dad are stupid enough to smoke im glad I can wreak the benefits in terms of government money spent. :D

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These non-smokers who complain about having to pass the gauntlet of smokers as they go into a pub are conveniently forgetting that during their walk to the pub they breathed in far more in the form of lethal chemicals coming from vehicle exhausts. But then that’s OK ‘cos most drive cars.

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Because none smokers aint making people breathe harmful substances?

Car drivers are and there’s more of them Cyfr.

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why do these smokers think they have pulled one over on the non smokers it isnt the non smokers that are actually saying you aint allowed to smoke inside its the goverment....

But the non-smoking hypocrites backed the proposal and it was they who made all the fuss kathleen_firth.

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If you want to suggest banning cars because of the fumes in general (not specifying that they are non-smokers) then thats another story but has nothing to do with the fact taht non-smokers drive cars.

Ah! Cyfr. But its these non-smoking car drivers who complain about having to breathe in second hand smoke yet ignore the fact that they make all and sundry breathe in their exhaust fumes. A more classic case of hypocrisy you will not find.

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I dont smoke (not a surprise given my last comments) and i cant understand why anybody would. Do you people have any idea how much treatin cancer that could never have happened with out tabaco costs thing country each year? and not just people who smoke but passive smokers to.

The same old silly argument mr flibble. Don’t you know that smokers contribute far more to the national coffers than they take out for smoking related diseases?

Apart from all that don’t people realise that the government has managed to get the population arguing amongst itself and thus too busy to notice the sneaky extra taxes being imposed on us and being inexorably integrated into the EU against the wishes of the bulk of the population.

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"I don't smoke (not a surprise given my last comments) and i cant understand why anybody would. Do you people have any idea how much treating cancer that could never have happened with out tobacco costs thing country each year? and not just people who smoke but passive smokers to."
And just how much do these people who enforced this stupid ban think its gonna cost the national health when they give the smokers who are not gong to give up pneumonia and chest infections due to being made to stand outside in all weathers.

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For gods sake give us a break, I have lost two mother-in-laws to cancer, neither of them were smokers ,so where does the tobacco theory fit in here?:confused:

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It doesn't and that's what smokers are trying to tell people. Passive smoking is a smokescreen (no pun intended). What people don't seem able to grasp is that there are so many chemicals/additives/preservatives in everday products that are dangerous to people and the producers of these products are happy to make money out of the general population until someone realises what is really happening. Personally I don't use chemicals for cleaning, I use natural products and have done for many years. I try very hard to make sure that everything I use has not been made from nor tested on animals.

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At the end of the day,the only thing guaranteed in life is death,wether ur a smoker/non-smoker,motorist,non-motorist etc etc,I'm a smoker,I also like a drink,by rights I should be dead now or at least in hospital every 5 minutes due to my ill health,if you believe all this spouted by our government that is,I'm not,I'm fit as a fiddle

I smoke,I'm still alive,look at Terry Yoraths young son,playing footy in the garden and keeled over and died with a heart condition aged just 15,what I'm saying is,you never know the minute,smokers and non smokers ALL die someday,its just a shame that rapists,paedo's and murderers all seem to live a lot longer than most good law abiding people

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I think they put something different in the fags to make them stink more...
my mum and dad used to smoke when I was a kid... and I never moaned about it...

I also smoke ( but not in my house) I go out doors: but I notice if I slip up from time to time then the whole house stinks...

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I use Goodsphere/ FengShui revitaliser/ PureAir - air washing machines which use essential oils (not petrochemicals) and my avid non smoking son and daughter in law say that my place does NOT smell of ciggies despite my 35 a day

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i only use the spray thingy and my house does not stink of fags,probably because i dont smoke:D
i can whiff a fag yards away, its a nasty smell!!:(...........cant ya tell im a ex smoker!!....LOL

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The one thing worse than breathing in 2nd hand smoke IS,breathing in my right fist,I was outside the pub in Liverpool on Thursday night and some tw at complained cos I was smoking,a bit of an argument ensued,I told him to go back inside,he told me I shouldn't smoke,I told him to duck, an he didn't,poor don't ever tell me I can't smoke outdoors,I've had to put up with you non-smokers tellin me I can't smoke inside,non smokers

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I wonder if the statistics on the deaths from passive smoking could really be deaths from inhaling the sprays that most smokers use to disguise the tobacco smell.

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In days of old when even doctors had a quick fag between seeing patients and many even recommended a fag to aid relaxation the tobacco was much purer than it is today. There were additives but only to aid even burning.

How many older people remember hearing comments such as “that pipe smells nice” and it did.

Today it is a different story.

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It seems rather strange to me that half the country is up in arms about the aroma of tobacco products but not a single word is said against the aroma of vehicle exhaust fumes, stinking overpowering perfumes and after shaves, not forgetting BO and the expulsion of bowel gasses.

Sorry I forgot. It is not necessary to smoke but it is necessary for vehicles to go about their lawful business. So it’s OK to pollute the air because it is necessary then?

All the hypocrites rejoicing in the perceived fact that their hair and clothes no longer reek of tobacco smoke will now find out that their hair and clothes will now reek of vehicle exhaust fumes instead. The first masked the second.

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Does this mean that as a smoking non driver I can have a go at non smoking school run drivers???

It is a fare point and I need a ciggie to get going the same as a driver needs a car. I cycle and hate being stuck in belching traffic so in a way can see were the non smokers are coming from. So let the sit on my bike behind cars and see who is right and who is wrong.

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Don't you think that the reason more kids today have asthma is down to the fact that their prams are on a level with all these cars? When the Silver Cross prams were the norm kids didn't seem tosuffer with chest problems like they do now, because they were well above the level of exhaust pipes, whereas now they are breathing exhaust fumes in constantly.:mad:

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thats a good point,think it could well contribute to kids asthma,be interested to hear a medical viewpoint on that one.

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one way to give up is to try rolling your own.... 100 papers later and visits to you tube I still can not get the hang of it.

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Many times in the past on this forum when the subject of smoking was being discussed I put forward the opinion that vehicle exhaust fumes are expelled directly into the faces and lungs of small children and kids in pushchairs.

My view was met with apathetic silence, not just from those drivers who were not inclined to admit their contribution to the increasing incidence of asthma in the young but also from anyone else. So I am pleased to read that someone else has twigged what is happening.

During the fifties and sixties when there was far fewer vehicles on the road than there are today and some 80% of the population enjoyed a fag or two the incidence of asthma in young was hardly noticeable. And don’t forget that most houses still had coal fires. So what’s changed today? Many, many more cars on the road, fewer people smoking, no coal fires and more kids suffering with asthma. It’s not rocket science is it to work out that the evil tobacco has been made a scapegoat? It’s called dividing the community and we all know the saying “divide and conquer”. Whilst we argue amongst ourselves on the smoking issue (plus some others) the government is hell bent on following its own agenda (illegal wars, unwanted Trident replacement to name just two) as well as pushing us further and further into a very limited civil liberties corner.

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You should have joined the navy magpie. You would have learned how to roll a fag with your hands that was almost as good as a tailor made one.

When I joined in ’54 every sailor was allowed to buy 300 fags or three quarters of a pound of rolling or pipe tobacco for seven shilling and six pence per month. To put that into context in those days a 20 pack of Players cost 3 shillings and six pence. So rolling your own became an art form, a never forgotten art form.

In those days the tobacco was much drier than it is today and a few drops of navy rum helped to keep it moist and just right for rolling and smoking. None drinkers used a piece of raw potato.

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I roll my own with aid of a rolling machine entact in tin, great for us that for the life of me cant hand roll - it is an art form LOL:D

Still cheaper than fags or patches at cost tho lol:D

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I roll my own by hand its quick easy and cheap. :D
2 pouches of snout for the price of a pack of 20 cant be beat as some even give you papers. :D