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garinda 09-08-2007 16:03

Are you political?
 
Accy Web has been accused in this week's Observer of being a Labour biased website.

Personally I think we cover all areas of the political spectrum.

Please feel free to use this poll to show which party you support, if any.

Thank you.

slinky 09-08-2007 16:14

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Voted!!! :)

Eric 09-08-2007 16:33

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I voted ... I know that may not make sense as I am so far away, and a colonial to boot ... but I support and vote for the New Democrats, which is as close to Labour as you can get in Canada.

Margaret Pilkington 09-08-2007 16:53

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I have voted too. Having absolutely no political affiliation, I felt that I must register that fact. Mr Farrer please take note.

Royboy39 09-08-2007 17:33

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Done it............

SPUGGIE J 09-08-2007 17:35

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Voted though not in Accyburn. :D

garinda 09-08-2007 17:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 458191)
Voted though not in Accyburn. :D

Thank you, though it doesn't matter where people live that take part, those living abroad are welcpme to take part as well.

I'm just hoping the poll shows Accy Web has a wide range of political beliefs, and is here for anyone, regardless of politics, to let their voice be heard.

lancsdave 09-08-2007 17:43

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Better call a general election, Labour is being outvoted :)

SPUGGIE J 09-08-2007 17:44

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IMHO it is a wide mix and given time will show this to be true. :)

garinda 09-08-2007 17:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 458197)
Better call a general election, Labour is being outvoted :)

But we have a Labour M.P., and are supposed to be a hotbed of socialism on this forum, according to John Farrer.:eek:

SPUGGIE J 09-08-2007 17:45

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 458197)
Better call a general election, Labour is being outvoted :)

A minority gov in the making here then. :p

SPUGGIE J 09-08-2007 17:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458199)
But we have a Labour M.P., and are supposed to be a hotbed of socialism on this forum, according to John Farrer.:eek:

If so were is are all the "old labour bods" hiding then. Keir Hardy is def needed to sort this out. :)

garinda 09-08-2007 17:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 458197)
Better call a general election, Labour is being outvoted :)



...and still the Tories haven't a cat in Hell's chance of winning Hyndburn.

How very sad for local Tories.

Perhaps the current state of the Con Club, reflects Conservatism in Hyndburn after all.

SPUGGIE J 09-08-2007 17:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458202)
...and still the Tories haven't a cat in Hell's chance of winning Hyndburn.

How very sad for local Tories.

Perhaps the current state of the Con Club, reflects Conservatism in Hyndburn after all.

Slowly rotting away with no rescue in site for them. Time to send in the demolition teams. :p

harwood red 09-08-2007 18:09

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I have put none but not strictly true as although not affiliated to any party I do make a point of voting, but it could change depending on the individuals policies and if I feel they would serve the area I live in well!!

beechy 09-08-2007 18:21

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its many moons since politicians spoke
on our behalf on issues that concern
their constituancy......... voted

SPUGGIE J 09-08-2007 18:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by harwood red (Post 458215)
I have put none but not strictly true as although not affiliated to any party I do make a point of voting, but it could change depending on the individuals policies and if I feel they would serve the area I live in well!!

A floating voter then is what you are saying. :)

jambutty 09-08-2007 18:23

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It looks like a coalition of ‘other’ and ‘none’ holds sway here.

Long live the rebels!

flashy 09-08-2007 18:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458158)
Accy Web has been accused in this week's Observer of being a Labour biased website.

Personally I think we cover all areas of the political spectrum.

Please feel free to use this poll to show which party you support, if any.

Thank you.


are they having a laugh? what a loada testicles:mad:

SPUGGIE J 09-08-2007 18:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 458232)
It looks like a coalition of ‘other’ and ‘none’ holds sway here.

Long live the rebels!


We now have the leader of the rebels here. :)

shillelagh 09-08-2007 18:43

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Me - im labour through and through even though if id been born in northern ireland i would have been unionist!!! Never made any bones about it - people on here know i support labour and an active member of the labour party but i also try to stay out of political discussions on here. Mainly because i think even though im a hyndburn constituent i am not a hyndburn resident. Also dont like being took apart by some of the people on here!!! :D:D:D

Im a chicken!!! :gif_12::gif_12::gif_12:

Lilly 09-08-2007 18:45

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You've got the colours mixed up on the poll Garinda.:) I think it's red for Labour and blue for Conservative.:D
Anyway,at the risk of being disembowelled or disenfranchised or whatever that fella said in the Observer,I have stated that I vote Conservative locally because that is the party represented by my councillor who I have always found very responsive and helpful to any problems I have approached him with and,yes,the councillor in question is PB and I'm not ashamed to say it.Maybe there are more of us but this forum can be quite hostile towards Peter on occasions and admitting to voting for him can feel a bit like sharing a dirty secret and it shouldn't be like that.You speak as you find and he's always helped me when asked.
Having said that I must also say that I also agree with everyone on here who has invited all Conservative councillors to participate on this forum.It would be good to hear their side from time to time.:D

Lilly 09-08-2007 18:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 458243)
Also dont like being took apart by some of the people on here!!! :D:D:D

That shouldn't happen Shillelagh.I hope it doesn't.I've just said that I've voted Conservative but I don't want ripping apart for it:eek:.Some people do get so fired up with this politics malarkey don't they?

lettie 09-08-2007 18:51

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I have voted none.... I have no political affiliations and tend to vote locally for the candidate who will do my area the most good. My last vote went to labour in the locals but I do vote for other parties in the nationals.;):)

jambutty 09-08-2007 18:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 458237)
We now have the leader of the rebels here. :)

Not me chief. I know I’m not a leader.

I make a good number 2 though.

cashman 09-08-2007 18:56

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i voted none cos at this point that is true, only returned to the country 6/7 yrs ago, was really disalusioned with the blair era,think brown is a vast improvement but thats not saying much,camerons policys have no substance, and the lib-dems,no comment,you cannot say much about a nothing party.as for locally,mr farrer has shot his party in the back big-time,the taxi-fiasco did them no good at all either,at least a couple of the labour councillors come on here to answer things even if i do not agree with some of it, so they cannot be accused of being "Spineless" may even consider voting again next time,if i do,at this point i'm leaning towards labour. but still need some convincing.

Margaret Pilkington 09-08-2007 18:59

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I am very tempted to ask if the brown stuff on the end of Mr Farrers nose is boot polish......brown, of course!

garinda 09-08-2007 19:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 458245)
You've got the colours mixed up on the poll Garinda.:) I think it's red for Labour and blue for Conservative.:D
Anyway,at the risk of being disembowelled or disenfranchised or whatever that fella said in the Observer,I have stated that I vote Conservative locally because that is the party represented by my councillor who I have always found very responsive and helpful to any problems I have approached him with and,yes,the councillor in question is PB and I'm not ashamed to say it.Maybe there are more of us but this forum can be quite hostile towards Peter on occasions and admitting to voting for him can feel a bit like sharing a dirty secret and it shouldn't be like that.You speak as you find and he's always helped me when asked.
Having said that I must also say that I also agree with everyone on here who has invited all Conservative councillors to participate on this forum.It would be good to hear their side from time to time.:D

As well as being apolitical, I'm non-colourist too, hence the poll.;)

Peter Britcliffe is my councillor as well, and on more than one occasion I've used Accy Web to note the rare occasion were I think he's done something worthwhile.

Accy Web is open to all to air their views, the fact that Greg and Graham do, and no Conservative councillor has posted here, speaks volumes about their lack of conviction to defend their policies.

garinda 09-08-2007 19:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 458258)
I am very tempted to ask if the brown stuff on the end of Mr Farrers nose is boot polish......brown, of course!


I thought poodles had black noses?:D

Margaret Pilkington 09-08-2007 19:02

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Like a few others here, although i have polled under the 'NONE'....I do vote, but for the person that will represent me the best in local elections....I 'float' in national elections too.

steeljack 09-08-2007 19:02

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any chance of posting a link to the article ?
thanks

garinda 09-08-2007 19:03

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I've voted no political affilitations as well.

I'm not a member of any political party, and have voted for more than one party at differing times, dependent on who I think will do the best job.

Margaret Pilkington 09-08-2007 19:03

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It might have a black nose, but there is something decidedly brown on the end of it.

Lilly 09-08-2007 19:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 458264)
any chance of posting a link to the article ?
thanks

It was a comment made by someone on the letters page,Steeljack.Don't think a link can be posted.

garinda 09-08-2007 19:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 458264)
any chance of posting a link to the article ?
thanks

It's a letter in reply to mine last week, not an article.

I don't think the Observer website posts the letters.

Basically he accuses Accy Web of left-wing political bias.

Margaret Pilkington 09-08-2007 19:06

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I shall await my observer with baited breath....the letters page is about the only thing worth a candle in the blooming paper.

garinda 09-08-2007 19:09

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I will be replying to the letter, to defend Accy Web's integrity.

It'll make Princess Diana's brother's eulogy look like a sweet little nursery rhyme.:D

Margaret Pilkington 09-08-2007 19:10

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Good on you Rindy....that'll be worth a read too.....if they print it.

BERNADETTE 09-08-2007 19:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458272)
I will be replying to the letter, to defend Accy Web's integrity.

It'll make Princess Diana's brother's eulogy look like a sweet little nursery rhyme.:D

Can't wait for next weeks Observer, hope they print your reply, it will be well worth reading:cool:

Lilly 09-08-2007 19:16

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How long will the poll be open for,Garinda?

lancsdave 09-08-2007 19:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 458269)
I shall await my observer with baited breath....the letters page is about the only thing worth a candle in the blooming paper.

3 letters in there this week from Accywebbers if you count the man with the split personality :)

garinda 09-08-2007 19:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 458285)
How long will the poll be open for,Garinda?

I didn't put a closing date on it, though in only a few short hours the results show that politically we as a collective, have a wide range of views on Accy Web, and John Farrer's accusation of political bias here is rubbish.

grego 09-08-2007 20:29

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I also voted none but do vote in the elections.

Lilly 09-08-2007 20:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458307)
I didn't put a closing date on it, though in only a few short hours the results show that politically we as a collective, have a wide range of views on Accy Web, and John Farrer's accusation of political bias here is rubbish.

Only 28 people voted so far though... out of how many members?:rolleyes:.Maybe the poll isn't showing that this is a Labour biased forum after all but there is certainly a lack of Conservatives on here,both councillors and voters.At the moment the floaters are ahead:D.

garinda 09-08-2007 21:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 458338)
Only 28 people voted so far though... out of how many members?:rolleyes:.Maybe the poll isn't showing that this is a Labour biased forum after all but there is certainly a lack of Conservatives on here,both councillors and voters.At the moment the floaters are ahead:D.


Twenty eight people bothering to vote in the poll, represents a fair amount of people who use the forum daily to post.

As for there being only three people who support the Conservative party so far, it's hardly my fault that so few of them can read and write. :D

As stated earlier, Acccy Web is here for everyone to partake if they so wish.

Lilly 09-08-2007 21:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458340)
Twenty eight people bothering to vote in the poll, represents a fair amount of people who use the forum daily to post.

As for there being only three people who support the Conservative party so far, it's hardly my fault that so few of them can read and write. :D

As stated earlier, Acccy Web is here for everyone to partake if they so wish.

It is here for all and everybody can post,you are quite right.As Mick said,it is not the people or the forum's fault if people choose not to do so.
I can read and write,clever me:)and there is at least one more Conservative voter that we know of who can both read letters in the Observer and write one back.Now that's muti-skilling! lol:D

cashman 09-08-2007 21:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458307)
I didn't put a closing date on it, though in only a few short hours the results show that politically we as a collective, have a wide range of views on Accy Web, and John Farrer's accusation of political bias here is rubbish.

i doubt very much if he will have the balls to post here to substansiate or defend his allegation, i do not mind opposing views,but the spineless i detest. prove me wrong jaysay.:rolleyes:

lancsdave 09-08-2007 21:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 458338)
Only 28 people voted so far though... out of how many members?:rolleyes:.Maybe the poll isn't showing that this is a Labour biased forum after all but there is certainly a lack of Conservatives on here,both councillors and voters.At the moment the floaters are ahead:D.

There's something rather ironic when the word floaters is mentioned in a political thread :rofl38:

Lilly 09-08-2007 21:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 458350)
There's something rather ironic when the word floaters is mentioned in a political thread :rofl38:

Floaters?:confused: Oh right I get you.You mean what you get when you flush the loo and it doesn't go down? Lol :rofl38:

Margaret Pilkington 10-08-2007 08:20

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I have just read this letter and do not know how Mr Farrer can be so daft as to say what he has......am I wrong in thinking that there have been many threads which have criticised the current government....which is, if I'm not mistaken, a LABOUR government?????? If this were a hotbed of Labour folk, would this be happenening? Does this forum not demonstrate that we are all adults and quite capable of forming our own opinions?
And has Mr Farrer used the right terminology? He talks of people being 'disenfranchised'.......which on checking, I find means 'denied the right to vote'.......but if it means something wider, then I am ready to be educated.
I was under the impression that this was a public forum, and as long as you follow the rules which are laid down, then you are quite welcome to join.

I might even pen a reply to this letter myself.

entwisi 10-08-2007 08:43

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I voted none as there wasn't an option for "best of a bad lot" :D

I've voted both Labour and conservative in my time and think I am intelligent enough to see which is offering what I believe is the best balance of policies for my family and teh country as a whole.

Margaret, what I think he meant was apathetic. In that teh majority of people care little for teh political spectrum. This itself should be a BIG wakeup call that in peoples memory they can't see anything where the politicians have added value to society.

Politically I find it a shame that our Conservatives don't come on here. I often chat to Graham J as he visits his grandma and whilst I don't always agree with what he says I respect him for having the bottle to come on here and stand up for his views just as I believe that whislts at the time I didn't agree with her policies I respect Maggie for standing up to other countries and being prepared to be judged on what she believed was right. I was equally impressed that when I personally invited Graham to an Accyweb meet he came and brought another counciller with him. Anyone care to knock on PB's door and ask him too?

Margaret Pilkington 10-08-2007 09:03

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Well, I am not sure apathetic covers what he said in the letter.......in a nutshell he was saying that anyone who didn't agree with the groundswell of opinion on here was 'disenfranchised'......but I think he meant something like frozen out.....but who knows what he really meant......only he can tell us that.

I think he made some very sweeping generalisations without putting up any evidence to support his claims.
I would respect him far more if he gave the relevant evidence for what he is saying.

jackyalex 10-08-2007 09:49

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i dont vote,due to the last time i did vote,the party i wanted to vote for was not on the vote slip,i felt like i didnot have a proper choice of parties,everyone should have the choice of which party to vote for,it should not be a selected few depending on what area you live in

garinda 10-08-2007 10:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 458472)
Well, I am not sure apathetic covers what he said in the letter.......in a nutshell he was saying that anyone who didn't agree with the groundswell of opinion on here was 'disenfranchised'......but I think he meant something like frozen out.....but who knows what he really meant......only he can tell us that.

I think he made some very sweeping generalisations without putting up any evidence to support his claims.
I would respect him far more if he gave the relevant evidence for what he is saying.

Cyfr has always been open that he is a Conservative, and though I don't always agree with what he says, I have the utmost respect for him, and his views.

It's a bit sad that a teenager is able to post his views on Accy Web, without fear of being 'disenfranchised', yet none of our Tory councillors have the courage to use this forum as a means of communication with the people of Hyndburn.

garinda 10-08-2007 10:21

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Let's not forget this time last year, whilst he was still actively posting as Jaysay, John Farrer wrote another letter to the Obsever accusing Accy Web of being a place that was a 'vile tirade of pure hatred' :rolleyes:

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...web-22265.html

Such a nice man, and not at all one given over to hyperbole.

Wynonie Harris 10-08-2007 10:30

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A bit bemused by John Farrer's viewpoint. It seems to me that the whole spectrum of political opinion is represented on Accyweb from left wing liberal to right wing reactionary. There are also a lot of people like myself who have strong opinions that don't really add up to a conventional polilitcal philosophy. There certainly isn't some kind of Accyweb manifesto that "disenfranchises" those who don't agree with it.

If there are only few Tories on here, it's because so few chose to join. Why don't party members come on here and fight their corner like Cyfr does? Would you care to explain why, John?

Neil 10-08-2007 10:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458158)
Accy Web has been accused in this week's Observer of being a Labour biased website.

Thats only because we have some Labour Councillors and our MP who actually admit who they are when they come online.

It is about time some of the Tory majority in the Council registered as themselves and posted on here.

garinda 10-08-2007 10:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 458495)
Thats only because we have some Labour Councillors and our MP who actually admit who they are when they come online.

It is about time some of the Tory majority in the Council registered as themselves and posted on here.


Yes, it's strange how some members join Accy Web using offical HBC email accounts based at Scaitcliffe House.;)

West Ender 10-08-2007 10:54

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I'm still bemused by the "disenfranchised" allegation. Like Margaret Pilkington, I think this chap needs to use a dictionary.

I wonder what life and experience has made of me? My mother's father was a Tory councillor who, after retiring from being Station Master at Church Station in the 1920s, owned a baker's shop run by my aunt. My father was a Socialist, despite being in business for over 40 years and being a member of a Conservative Club, who greatly admired Harold Wilson.

My husband was from a very Labour background but had Conservative leanings and I have tended towards Socialism/Liberalism for a lot of my adult life.

I have no political affiliations what so ever, I mistrust all of them. I guess I'm just a mongrel. ;)

Neil 10-08-2007 10:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458498)
Yes, it's strange how some members join Accy Web using offical HBC email accounts based at Scaitcliffe House.;)

It is isn't it.

cashman 10-08-2007 12:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458498)
Yes, it's strange how some members join Accy Web using offical HBC email accounts based at Scaitcliffe House.;)

while you may think its strange, i would think its Sneaky,Cowardly,Political Animals who have not got the conviction,to substansiate allegations made to the media,funny i thought farrer had a fair point in his letter (about the elderly) but he had already destroyed any support from me by starting off with his tirade of lies,dont know the man but people like this must have very few "Real Friends".

Margaret Pilkington 10-08-2007 12:42

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Well, I suppose it depends what you mean by 'Elderly'.......do I fit into that category....I am a pensioner? I think there are many silver surfers who would have no problems in accessing their member of Parliament via his e-mail address....you see...this is what I mean by generalisation.
I would like to see the evidence his assumptions are based on, but I don't think I ever will.

Another thing that was mentioned was that the forum is a medium of 'here and now'...meaning that you can give an immediate response. I agree that you can give an immediate response if you wish to, but you can also take your time and deliver a considered and calculated response too, if you wish, but you don't actually have to respond at all if you don't want to.

I respect the people in local/national politics who come on here and do not hide under a pen-name, it says to me that these people are not trying to hide their motives and are open about what they are saying. The same cannot be said of Mr Farrer.

Margaret Pilkington 10-08-2007 12:50

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My main problem with our esteemed leader(!) is that he bigs himself up too much without too much substance to back up his claims. I don't think he has done very much to put HBC on the map....and the things he has been noticed for are risable...need I mention Tea-bags?

Wynonie Harris 10-08-2007 12:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 458542)
I respect the people in local/national politics who come on here and do not hide under a pen-name, it says to me that these people are not trying to hide their motives and are open about what they are saying. The same cannot be said of Mr Farrer.

Got to agree. Greg Pope, Graham Jones and Gayle are all quite willing to come on here and defend their views. I might not always agree with their opinions, but, in my view, they're honest, they're open and they have the courage of their convictions.

So why can't Tory councillors and local party members do the same? Is it because they've not got the bottle?

flashy 10-08-2007 13:50

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ive looked through this weeks observer twice and still cant find where it says that about accyweb.....HELP!!! what page is it on?

Margaret Pilkington 10-08-2007 13:53

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Letters page, down at the bottom of the page...entitled 'elderly would prefer face to face'....or something of that ilk......don't have the paper in front of me right now.

cashman 10-08-2007 13:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 458565)
ive looked through this weeks observer twice and still cant find where it says that about accyweb.....HELP!!! what page is it on?

letters page flashy.lol

SPUGGIE J 10-08-2007 14:19

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Appoligies in advance for this "little rant" but from were I am looking in its a bit of a mess down there at the moment and it saddens me that my home town is in this quandry.:(

If it came down to voting with your head and not where your heart lies then a lot of those in power at all levels of govenment would not be were they are now. Lets for the moment say that Hyndburn's voters had a broad spectrum of views but no real ties to any party would those in power be there if heads ruled over hearts? Its easy for them once in power (any party) to think "oh we must have a large support in the borough so lets give them what they want or believe what they want (their own voters) as a reward". Though how can they be sure that those that voted are the "swaggering class" (personal thought) and not say a pensioner looking for a better deal? Alas though 20% of the votes they recieved could be those of the heads over hearts group who if upset enough could swing it the otherway. Then what happens is that they might lean heavy to one group while ignoring another group.? It starts by them forgetting they are there in power to serve all people in the borough not the selected band. They upset enough people and they are out on a limb and out of power and all because they have a set of blinkers on.

Recently I had to vote with my head over my heart and it is not easy and never will be but sometimes it has to be done. If a change is wanted badley enough and something you want is being offered by another party then let your head decide. The days of being left right or centre are dying off as we march forward polititions have to appeal to all sections of society and the differences might only be minor. All the major parties have evoled because they know they cannot rely on the traditional sections of society that they had in the past to put them in office. Conservative students, middle class Labourites for example not what might be traditional 30 years ago. Cyfr defends his beliefs and good on him for that yet some of the more "esteemed" members of the administration wont and personally I hope he takes it further as he can breath new life into what is becoming a very staid and narrow minded self promoting bunch group.


Maybe in the not so distant future we an get those that fear what we say on here so that they can participate. We can all learn from this regardless of affiliation for the better of the community and it might spread country wide. I PM'd Greg when he joined and asked if he knew any other MP's were members of local forums and used them. I hope as the first or one of the first he can encourage other polititions at whatever level to use them and keep in tune with the voters for the benifit of all.

Finished for now.

lancsdave 10-08-2007 16:00

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I think Rindy already knew which way the poll would go when he set it up. He knew that there are various political persuasions on here. He was even so confident that most people do not have one political allegiance that the colours were given a lot of consideration. So much so, he was confident the PINK vote would win :D

bullseyebarb 10-08-2007 17:07

Re: Are you political?
 
I also voted, "None." From our little back and forths on this site, I think it's fair to say that I'm rather more libertarian/conservative than most of the other posters. Still, I would hardly describe AccyWebbers as rabid socialists. A bit misguided at times maybe. Ha, ha.

Who is this Farrer chappie anyway?

katex 10-08-2007 17:45

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I think your poll was worded slightly incorrectly Garinda, as some of the replies reflect. Should have been a little clearer that you may have been talking about local elections and not National, asking maybe the question of do you vote for your political leanings in local elections or the merit of the person standing for election, and if the former which one ? Think would have given us a more truistic picture. Although does appear to be showing this up a little as most people voting none, if this is the reason they voted that way.

To be honest, couldn't quite understand your letter to the Observer, except to praise him for helping Accymel out with her passport .. was it, therefore, in answer to John Farrer's letter of July 27th ? didn't pick that up .. thought you were just on an a$$-licking crusade .. :D

He was slightly out of order though, wasn't he ?.. think criticisms, by Accyweb members, have only been levied at PB on specific issues (including me re. the Hyndburn name change). Good to see that Lilly has had good words to say about him too. One excellent comment I noticed is that we have been promoted from Mafia to Clan by Mr. Farrer ... mmmm... yes, like that, has a lovely ring to it .. :D

garinda 10-08-2007 18:06

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The poll could have been worded differently, but it has proved a point. We are a varied and mixed bunch, and there is certainly no political unity on here. We are a wonderful and diverse group of people.

A little over two years ago, at the height of the debate over the Panopticon being sited on the Coppice, Gayle Knight's name, as the public face of Mid Pennine Arts, was mud. She was seen as the Devil incarnate.

She bit the bullet and became a member. She then started a thread asking us to leave any questions or comments. One memorable Sunday night she answered those question, and others we had, live. She may not have changed our minds about the proposed Panopticon, but she did gain respect from some unlikely sources for her truthfulness, and sheer hard work in trying to allay our fears.

Since the council decided we didn't need Hyndburn Life, wouldn't it be wonderful if our council leader did join the forum under his own name. I should imagine it would go someway to earning the respect of the people of the borough who use this forum.

Come on Peter, how about it? You will receive a warm welcome, from me at least.:)

garinda 10-08-2007 18:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 458639)
I think your poll was worded slightly incorrectly Garinda, as some of the replies reflect. Should have been a little clearer that you may have been talking about local elections and not National


It wasn't specifically aimed at local politics, that's the point. Lots of us on Accy Web have both criticised, and praised, local and national parties of all persuassions.

Overall I don't think there is any bias to any one party, which makes John Farrer's accusation piffle.

katex 10-08-2007 18:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458647)
Overall I don't think there is any bias to any one party, which makes John Farrer's accusation piffle.

Yes, I thought that too.

flashy 10-08-2007 19:05

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oooooooooooo rindy the piece is actually about you lol when did you write to the observer?

Bagpuss 10-08-2007 19:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458268)
Basically he accuses Accy Web of left-wing political bias.

I'm a typical left-winger wouldn't you say so Garinda;) (Abolish Multiculturism and Close The Borders)

I vote locally for the person I think will do the best for my ward and that is Graham Jones (Labour) without a doubt. Nationally well that's my business but it won't be Labour or the Tories, you never know I may try myself in the General Election.

BERNADETTE 10-08-2007 19:19

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:D
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bagpuss (Post 458681)
I'm a typical left-winger wouldn't you say so Garinda;) (Abolish Multiculturism and Close The Borders)

I vote locally for the person I think will do the best for my ward and that is Graham Jones (Labour) without a doubt. Nationally well that's my business but it won't be Labour or the Tories, you never know I may try myself in the General Election.

Same here I think most people vote for the best for their ward, it makes sense to vote for someone who has got the constituents welfare at heart Paul Barton (Conservative) in my case, nothing is to much trouble for him so he gets my vote:D

cashman 10-08-2007 19:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 458683)
:DSame here I think most people vote for the best for their ward, it makes sense to vote for someone who has got the constituents welfare at heart Paul Barton (Conservative) in my case, nothing is to much trouble for him so he gets my vote:D

thats the best way to do it in my opinion,no matter which party it should be the person who represents you best.

garinda 10-08-2007 19:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by flashytart (Post 458679)
oooooooooooo rindy the piece is actually about you lol when did you write to the observer?

The letter I wrote is on the first post in this thread.


http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...ity-32482.html

BERNADETTE 10-08-2007 19:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 458686)
thats the best way to do it in my opinion,no matter which party it should be the person who represents you best.

Yes and he really does:D

flashy 10-08-2007 19:40

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cheers for that rindy, i feel compelled to write to them myself, but i know nothing about the politics of Hyndburn (sorry Accrington and District) as you have already said, we ARE NOT 'a labour loving Britcliffe-hating Clan'....and we certainly arent 'a website that does not tolerate dissenters to the labour cause'


isnt that classed as slander?

is there anything we can do about the bull thats come out of this John Farrers mouth?

cmonstanley 10-08-2007 21:20

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i voted labour because my local councillor is best for the ward i live in as he lives in the same ward he represents and i know where he lives if you know what i mean :cool::D:D:D:D

Gayle 11-08-2007 21:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458645)

One memorable Sunday night she answered those question, and others we had, live. She may not have changed our minds about the proposed Panopticon, but she did gain respect from some unlikely sources for her truthfulness, and sheer hard work in trying to allay our fears.

I got huge amounts of karma on that thread and my typing speed was really tested. :D

I don't think this is a Labour site at all. I've had many discussions with people who I disagree with and it's fine to disagree.

I think the problem with this situation is that the more we call for Conservatives to join the site the more we sound like we're braying for their blood.

I think it's slightly easier to be the party that aren't in power - you can have a say without ever having to prove your point. So people who support the Labour party, even local Labour councillors, can knock the current regime all they like and point out flaws in the management of the council without ever having to defend themselves - unlike the Conservatives who will always be in the wrong with someone because whatever decision they make someone will believe it to be the wrong one. It will be very interesting to see if the balance of posters switches if a Labour council is ever voted in.

What upsets me most often is the type of poster who comes on here and is insulting rather than prepared to enter a discussion, i.e. calling someone names if they disagree. Naturally if they start to call people names then regular posters come to the victims defense and 'out' the name caller, who has on occassion been shown to be a Tory. Then, of course, that adds fuel to the 'it's a Labour site' argument.

Neil 11-08-2007 22:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bullseyebarb (Post 458629)
Who is this Farrer chappie anyway?

A noboby or should I say a has been. There was a story about him a few years ago in the national press, maybe someone has it still and could scan it and post it. I for one would like to read how he lost his wife to another Councillor. Maybe after all these years he is no longer bitter, who knows.

SPUGGIE J 11-08-2007 22:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 459204)
A noboby or should I say a has been. There was a story about him a few years ago in the national press, maybe someone has it still and could scan it and post it. I for one would like to read how he lost his wife to another Councillor. Maybe after all these years he is no longer bitter, who knows.

Well its a good enough reason to be bitter considering what happened. It shouldnt though be dragged along by him thinking everyone is out to betray or shaft him. He is a public figure and should behave as such.

Neil 11-08-2007 22:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 459209)
He is a public figure and should behave as such.

Is he? Not any more I don't think.

garinda 12-08-2007 00:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 459204)
A noboby or should I say a has been. There was a story about him a few years ago in the national press, maybe someone has it still and could scan it and post it. I for one would like to read how he lost his wife to another Councillor. Maybe after all these years he is no longer bitter, who knows.

I think that's more than a bit unfair. People in public office are entitled to a private life. It's nobodies business but the people concerned what happened, unless the law is broken, which wasn't the case here.

SPUGGIE J 12-08-2007 00:27

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 459243)
I think that's more than a bit unfair. People in public office are entitled to a private life. It's nobodies business but the people concerned what happened, unless the law is broken, which wasn't the case here.

Its a pity the media dont take that view. There are too many private lives of politicians at all levels and all parties on the receiving end of their attention, judging and basic ripping apart. Even ex politicians are not immune from badgering from all and sundry.

LancYorkYankee 12-08-2007 03:20

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As this thread winds down please allow me to explain my "conservative" vote. In american politics I'm a conservative independant. I don't believe our conservative is the same as yours. However, did want to make the poll well balanced. Plus I hated to vote "none."

Brian

steeljack 12-08-2007 05:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 459243)
I think that's more than a bit unfair. People in public office are entitled to a private life. It's nobodies business but the people concerned what happened, unless the law is broken, which wasn't the case here.

Sorry, disagree with you on this , any person who who puts themself up for elected office puts themself and their reputation under the public microscope .
Since the Churchs have abdicated their traditional postion as 'guardians' of public morals and standards/ethics over to the new self appointed guardians, the Politicians and Civil Servants, (the folks who change their minds about everything as often as I change my underwear,) who then cry foul when their hypocrisy and indiscretions are pointed out , I think they should be held to a higher standard. ( the recent UK case involving the immigration judges comes to mind)

As an example, on a local level I would want to know if a member of the local public health services commitee had ever had an aged parent admitted to hospital for unexplained falls and bruising ........if they can't look after their own parents why should they have the responsibility for yours .

Same will someone elected into higher office , using an ex President and his wife as an example , how can trust someone who has access to the 'Doomsday' button when he says to the world "I never had sex with that woman" and the little blue dress along with the stains are there for the whole world to see .......should that have been kept quiet from the public ? ......my view , if Monica Lewinsky had been in her late 30s or her 40s no problem , just an indiscret sexual liasion ,to be sorted out between husband and wife in private , but this was a young woman , late teens/early 20s......and he was in his 50s, this womans life has been ruined , not because of the Press that broke the story , but because Bill Clinton exploited his position of power and authority to 'get his rocks off', what guy in his right mind is going to take Miss Lewinsky home to meet the parents and say this is going to be the mother of your Grandchildren.... and any kids she may have in the future are going to be stigmatized throughout their lives through no fault of their own as the kids of the woman who b**w the President .

I say publish and be dammed, if the mud sticks so be it , if your living a decent honest life there is usually no mud to be thrown ;) ;)



[(note to US users of the group , Mitt Romney is looking good for the nomination , though I am still waiting for the press to decide if Mormons really do worship the Devil or not :eek: :confused: ;) ) absolutley no offense meant or intended to local users of this group , its an American media thing .]

Wynonie Harris 12-08-2007 08:01

Re: Are you political?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 459202)
I think it's slightly easier to be the party that aren't in power - you can have a say without ever having to prove your point.

Yes, I think you're right there, Gayle. But, it applies just as much at national as local level. So, why aren't Conservative supporters coming on here in their droves, laying into the current government?

Could it be that to do so, would involve defending the policies and stance of David Cameron, and, apart from a few dedicated souls like Cyfr, none of them actually wants to do that because, deep down, they're all hankering after the "good old days" with Maggie? Just a thought...

garinda 12-08-2007 08:44

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Quote:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 459264)
Sorry, disagree with you on this , any person who who puts themself up for elected office puts themself and their reputation under the public microscope .
Since the Churchs have abdicated their traditional postion as 'guardians' of public morals and standards/ethics over to the new self appointed guardians, the Politicians and Civil Servants, (the folks who change their minds about everything as often as I change my underwear,) who then cry foul when their hypocrisy and indiscretions are pointed out , I think they should be held to a higher standard. ( the recent UK case involving the immigration judges comes to mind)

As an example, on a local level I would want to know if a member of the local public health services commitee had ever had an aged parent admitted to hospital for unexplained falls and bruising ........if they can't look after their own parents why should they have the responsibility for yours .

Same will someone elected into higher office , using an ex President and his wife as an example , how can trust someone who has access to the 'Doomsday' button when he says to the world "I never had sex with that woman" and the little blue dress along with the stains are there for the whole world to see .......should that have been kept quiet from the public ? ......my view , if Monica Lewinsky had been in her late 30s or her 40s no problem , just an indiscret sexual liasion ,to be sorted out between husband and wife in private , but this was a young woman , late teens/early 20s......and he was in his 50s, this womans life has been ruined , not because of the Press that broke the story , but because Bill Clinton exploited his position of power and authority to 'get his rocks off', what guy in his right mind is going to take Miss Lewinsky home to meet the parents and say this is going to be the mother of your Grandchildren.... and any kids she may have in the future are going to be stigmatized throughout their lives through no fault of their own as the kids of the woman who b**w the President .

I say publish and be dammed, if the mud sticks so be it , if your living a decent honest life there is usually no mud to be thrown ;) ;)



[(note to US users of the group , Mitt Romney is looking good for the nomination , though I am still waiting for the press to decide if Mormons really do worship the Devil or not :eek: :confused: ;) ) absolutley no offense meant or intended to local users of this group , its an American media thing .]

In this case I still totally disagree.

We are talking local politics here. I don't think any of them hold themselves up as beacons of moral light, and I don't think any of us look to them for moral guidance.

If there was an undeclared interest, for instance a councillor had a relationship with the owner of a company that had just been awarded a large contract from the council, that is newsworthy, and should be made public. However, since lots of people have had more than one relationship in their life, I don't think that's anyones concern but their's.

Hypocrisy was the downfall of the Major government. They were preaching of a return to 'Victorian values', yet we had a situation were many of them were having clandestine affairs. Also at this time you had secretly gay M.P.'s voting against gay rights bills. Again that sort of hypocrisy should be made public.

Local politicans can dress up as Shirley Bassey every weekend for all I care, and go to wife swapping parties. As long as they aren't breaking the law, or frightening the horses, all I expect is that they do the job to which they were elected, to the best of their ability.

Gayle 12-08-2007 11:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 459272)
So, why aren't Conservative supporters coming on here in their droves, laying into the current government?

...

Because there are enough 'Labour' supporters doing it for them:D

Stanaccy 12-08-2007 19:55

Re: Are you political?
 
I voted other.

I would vote for a socialist party but none exists.

With regards to John Farrer's letter, what he fails to see about this site is that the debates on here have viewpoints from across the political spectrum, which basically means it is an open forum.

If he wishes to join in a debate or put across a point of view he feels is under represented then feel free, I for one would welcome the opportunity to read and reply to his points.

However I won't hold my breath.

Bagpuss 12-08-2007 20:23

Re: Are you political?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Stanaccy (Post 459426)
I would vote for a socialist party

on here have viewpoints from across the political spectrum


I can't argue with that, me an Stanaccy are worlds apart when it comes to politics but Mr Farrer seems to pick and choose when it comes to the facts and the truth.:(

flashy 12-08-2007 20:26

Re: Are you political?
 
i see mr jones hasnt commented on this yet

Gayle 12-08-2007 20:31

Re: Are you political?
 
Well, I think it's just possible that Graham might vote Labour - lol

Funny thing - the first time i met Graham and we were chatting about this website, he said that he thought this website was a right wing, conservative site.

It's either gone full circle or people read into it what they want to read into it.

Accy Red 13-08-2007 01:08

Re: Are you political?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 458158)
Accy Web has been accused in this week's Observer of being a Labour biased website.

Personally I think we cover all areas of the political spectrum.

Please feel free to use this poll to show which party you support, if any.

Thank you.

I'm probably a bit more right of centre if ya get what I mean

Bagpuss 13-08-2007 08:59

Re: Are you political?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Accy Red (Post 459541)
I'm probably a bit more right of centre if ya get what I mean

So why not vote in the poll?

Royboy39 13-08-2007 10:39

Re: Are you political?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 459272)
So, why aren't Conservative supporters coming on here in their droves, laying into the current government?

I don't think there is really a need to do that...the wounds are self inflicted.
Let's see what hair brained ideas they come up with for taking more money from the taxpayer and what restrictions they impose on our leisure time and way of life when they return from their holidays in the Highlands. :rolleyes:


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