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..... on whinney hill road as you drive past? There seems to be some sort of spray systems on the fence.

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its like some kind of air freshener - it comes on when they turn the tip..kinda to block the smell....and it does work as I can smell the air freshener thing from my back door in clayton....

but what I want to know is have they released to the public whats in the air freshener stuff - as some people may actually be allergic to it ...
all those folk who live close by thinking they had hayfever....maybe the spray stuff from the tip thats making them snotty and sore throats...makes you wonder...

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plus the rubbish they put in the tip you see lorries going up about 3 ,4,5 o clock in the morning whats that all about:confused:








brilliant win on saturday glasgow guy eh.get down to the bookies cause we [rangers]are going to win the league;):):)

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I've noticed that this week too.At first I thought it was smoke and that something was on fire:eek:.Then when I got over the top of the hill I realised that something like a fine spray was being emitted from the fencing.It still stank of tip up there though:p

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The chemicals in most air fresheners are air poisoners
(see my thread 'Household Hazards' )
I get vasomotor rhinitis from inhaling them -runny nose and sneezing fits
We need to know the chemical constitution of whatever they are spraying
Have you asked your councillor to find out?
Have you asked the local Enviromental Health Dept?

If you dont I will :mad:

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In the 45 mins since my last post I have done some websearching and found this-

""This Hydro Atomiser is an advanced spray droplet generator using rotary atomisation for the spraying of a wide range of liquids for odour control and dust suppression. The atomiser uses a unique cylinder, which produces spray droplets within a narrow spectrum of sizes over a wide range of flow rates. The narrow droplet spectrum ensures that the maximum amount of liquid is sprayed as droplets of the optimum size and minimises wastage or contamination from excessively small or large droplets.""

I have sent an email to [email protected] <[email protected]> -

""Spraying of landfill sites
I live in Hyndburn Borough Council area in Lancashire.
Our landfill site is situated at Whinney Hill in our borough.
Residents nearby have observed the automated spraying of the site and have described the smell of the spray as akin to air fresheners.
I ask you to please provide me with the chemical composition of the liquids permitted to be used in such spraying.""

I hope we get an answer - I will report back when we do

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I don't live in the area Margaret, but I think it is great that you have gone to the trouble of finding the facts out for the people who do.

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Would it be possible to adapt this method so we could have an anti-gypo spray? Maybe it could be combined with summat smelling nice and aerial sprayed over Church? That way we could get rid of two problems at once - the stink from Blythes/Ashworths and our ever present traveller chums.

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There may come a time when governments will spray inhalable sedatives into the air in order to control public unrest.
We need to let them know we are watching out for the air we breathe.
The introduction of such sedatives would have been easier to add to the water supply, but nowadays people either filter their drinking water or buy bottled.
Saddam Hussain pioneered the spraying practice on the Kurds.

I will now be labelled as a doomsday/conspiracy advocate, and my suggestion of sedatives is rather extreme, but we just need to be vigilant to protect air and water quality - basic life essentials

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Perhaps it is a little extreme ... but the "vigilant" bit is right on ... get on the bastards now with the little things and the big things will never happen. Citizens have a right to be free from exposure to potentially toxic chemicals released into the environment. Locally (my locale not yours) city council is preparing (under pressure) to ban the use of chemical pesticides and herbicides for cosmetic use on lawns. Good move ... hard to police, but good move.

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I have a reply---

""Dear Ms Rothwell,
Thank you for your email regarding spraying of landfill sites. I have forwarded your email to the Environment Agency to respond. If you have any problem, please contact them on the free phone number; Environment Agency's Incident hotline: 0800 807060.
Regards
Air, Environment Quality Team""

I will pass on the 'proper' reply when I get it. Meanwhile, if any of you downwind of the landfill are having repiratory problems,the freephone number number they have supplied can get you the info sooner

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Would have thought a member or an employee from Hyndburn Council would have replied to this thread before now without it being necessary for Margaret R. having to contact a Govt. dept.

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Council employees who are refilling the spray tanks are not likely to know what chemicals are in the liquid.
Before the local enviro health are asked I though it may be wise to know what chemicals are ALLOWED by law. Council may be cost cutting and using alternatives. (Its just my suspicous lack of trust showing :D)

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i understand that some people can be allergic to the stuff and i sympavise with you but the council wont think like that straight away espesially doing trip at 3 and 4 o clock in the morning there not quite that advance yet but i thought it wouold of been a great idea... i would rather smell that i think than the tip to be quite honest

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I thought it was where they are sending all the smokers.... or is that going to now give them idea's:

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In one of the daily rags there was a story about a poor women that is allergic to the 21st century. Apparently its on the increase and considering what happened here I am not surprised. :(

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I have had a reply to the email I sent to the Enviroment Agency weeks ago.
They have asked for my snail mail addy so that they can send me info by post. I will report back with what info I get.

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Might be a long wait then. They are not renowned for their speed are they.

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plus the posties have a 5 day strike next week

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Local or national? Hope it aint national as that would be an tad inconvenient.
:(:(:(

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dont know, i just caught a bit of it on the news this morning

my apologies, its several days next month

The Sun Online - News: New postal strike looms




sorry for the thread wander Aleks

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I have had a snail mail reply from the Enviroment Agency.
My email question was "I ask you to please provide me with the chemical composition of the liquids permitted to be used in such spraying."
Their reply enclosed documentation relating to one specific product named Mist Air Odour Neutraliser manufactured by Sita.

ASC

This product appears to be a natural and not petrochemically constituted.
It was mentioned in the minutes of a Shropshire council meeting--
"In response to a question raised on behalf of Mr Bodenham, the Waste Management Officer reported that the mist-air odour neutraliser was used extensively in many parts of the world and should not cause any health problems. One of Shropshire Waste Management’s staff suffered with Asthma, but had not had any reaction to the neutraliser. At the request of the Chairman, he undertook to let members have information on the composition of the neutraliser."

The Enviro Agency reply does not specify whether the use of this particular product is compulsory. An posting here indicated that the product used on Whinney Hill smelt like air freshener. Mist Air Odour Neutraliser has only 2 varieties - apple and neutral. This makes me think that a different product is in use at Whinney Hill.


I have Googled a search for probable alternative products that the council might be using, and found these two-

EcoPro Ltd | Services | Odour Control | Landfill which states-
"Alternatively the bad odours can be masked by using a concentrated fragranced product. Dispersed into the air as a fine mist, it provides a cover up of a pleasant fragrance, available in "Apple", "Sea Breeze", "Cut Grass", "Floral", "Wild Herb", "Pear Drop" and "Garden Mint".

I have as yet been unable to find a record of its chemical composition on the web (will have to mail the company). The use of the words 'masked' and 'cover up' have made me suspicious that this is a petrochemically based product.(In contrast the Mist Air product described above works by 'absorption' and can be described as 'air washing')

Another possible product is Air Spectrum-http://www.odour.co.uk/datasheet.asp
Air Spectrum Enviromental Limited
-- which does appear to be non toxic/not petrochemical.

Before this investigation can proceed I need the answers to the following-
1.- Which product does our council use? (I will mail our local waste management)
2.- Is the use of the product Mist Air Odour Neutraliser supposed to be compulsory? (will mail the Enviro Agency who have replied, and happens to be in Preston)

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I have just had a very quick local response -
Whinney Hill is managed at County level by
Lancashire Waste Services
Lancashire County Council: Environment Directorate: Waste
I will ask them now

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You are doing a sterling job chasing this matter up , I would just like to pass on my personal thanks for putting so much time and energy into this issue for everyone. Will continue to watch this thread with great interest.

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Whilst I wait for news of what you have been breathing in, I have been looking at the effects of inhaled petrochemicals
ARE PERFUMES MAKING YOU SICK?
and have marked a few other websites ready in case the county waste people are carelessly using petrochemicals

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I think it's to drive the Seagulls away, Eric Cantona want's them back.

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Nice one, Ian.:D

What was he on about? When ze seagulls follow ze trawler...... lol.

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pipinfort i like what it says as your location...

Location: posh end of town!!

Aye next to the tip. Very posh lol

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Well Lilly my interpretation of it is, that when, during his untimely departure from Manchester United, the reporters that were hounding him were following the wrong type of ship. Eric Cantona considered himself as a luxury Liner come Battleship, and not a lowly Trawler.A truly great talent with a Romany/ Galic culture that was to prove his downfall. Before my detractors dive in ,this is pureley my opinion, "In matters contraversial my judgements very fine, I allways see two points of view the one that is wrong, and mine.";)

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I sent the mails but have had only one reply yet - from the firm which makes the stuff I suspect is petrochemically based. They are being cagey about the chemicals used - (maybe think I am a spy for their competitors)
The mail and my response is copied below


I ask on behalf of friends who live near a landfill site- they wish to make recommendations to the waste management service, and so need detailed facts about available products.
Margaret Rothwell (retired person)

----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Austen
To: 'Margaret Rothwell'
Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 12:51 PM
Subject: RE: Odour Control
Thank you for your recent enquiry regarding our odour control products.

Could you please let me know for what purpose you would be using the products. i.e. in which environment and also if you represent a particular company or if it would be for private use?

Regards

Stephen Austen

EcoPro Ltd
07834 057888
EcoPro Ltd | Services

-----Original Message-----
From: Margaret Rothwell [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: 28 September 2007 15:12
To: [email protected]
Subject: Odour Control
Please supply me with a list of the chemicals in your odour control liquids
Thank you -- Miss margaret Rothwell

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Interesting thread , something which may help in your search , not sure if the regulations/rules are the same, but have you asked the local council for the MSDS (material data safety sheet ) for the product being used ? Here in the US all companies and employers are required by law to keep on file all materails in use at their facilites that an emmployee may be exposed to,and make them available upon request at any time , .......this includes anything from a bag of lime , Paint, various gases stored in clyinders (oxygen, acetylene etc.) even products seemingly inocuous such as steel and bagged cement, even the little bottles of correction fluid which most office employees have in their desks (its an inhalent hazzard).
I'm thinking from reading past posts on this site that Health and Safety regulations in the UK are much stronger than here in the US so such information should be available on demand from the faciltiy where it is being used
Material safety data sheet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

HSE - Control of substances hazardous to health (COSHH)

:D :eek: :D

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I appreciate your contribution (found loads of material data sheets relevant in UK) - I have done more google searches as a result - I will be able to research the hazards of each chemical when I learn what is being sprayed.
wish I had A level chemistry

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The man from EcoPro has replied again saying "Most of the products we use are completely safe and non toxic" - notice the word "most" .
He still has not listed the chemical constituents, and I don't think he ever will. I dont know if their products are used at Whinney Hill - it was my way of trying to find out what sort of chemicals are used in 'industrial deodorants' - so I have come to a dead end with that one. I had been deliberately cautious in the wording of my mail to him and he thinks we need his products to cover garbage smells :D

On the other hand I have had a long and very helpful reply from the Environment Agency - as follows:-
"Use of odour abatement equipment is optional, however such systems are commonly used at landfill sites across the UK. Odour control at waste sites is however compulsory. Any site wishing to keep, treat or dispose of waste must hold a Waste Management Licences or Pollution Prevention Control Permit. This is a legal document, regulated by the Environment Agency that sets enforceable conditions to prevent pollution of the environment, harm to human health or detriment to the local amenity. Naturally by the very nature of the operation, if not managed correctly, waste can generate foul odours. Certain conditions therefore relate to odour control and require that waste operations must be free from odours at levels that would cause problems. Odour abatement equipment such as that currently in use at Whinney Hill, is one of a number of odour control measures that can be used at landfill sites. At Whinney Hill currently, they have installed and are using a temporary deodoriser (located to the left of the site entrance and up Whinney Hill Road) due to engineering works being carried out on the old part of the site to improve environmental performance. This work involves installing an engineering cap to the landfill which will reduce infiltration of rainwater (and so protect groundwater, as well as allow more efficient collection of landfill gas and use in the gas engines (to produce electricity) and not lost to the atmosphere (greenhouse gas). Part of this work does involve partial re-profiling of the flanks of the landfill therefore old waste has been dug into and moved to other parts of the site. Naturally SITA were concerned this could lead to foul odours being generated therefore as a safeguard installed the odour abatement equipment. I have conducted inspections at the site (as part of our regulatory duty) and have been happy with the precautions taken with regard to odour control. I would be happy to discuss further if required. With regard to legislation, the Landfill Regulations 2002 cover landfill management and can be found on the following website:- http://www.opsi.gov.uk"

So the outcome of my enquiries has still not revealed what they were spraying but it appears to be a temporary situation whilst they rearrange the site in order to prevent groundwater pollution. I am satisfied that the Environment Agency are ensuring that the procedures happening up there are legal. I have not read all of the government regulations here
Search Results - Landfill sites
but it is apparant that the waste management as an industry is highly regulated, and that our Whinney Hill is being monitored.

CONCLUSION-
I have not found out what they are spraying but found out that they are acting legally,within strict regulation,and are being monitored

Some of us are sensitive to (legal) petrochemical sprays - I hope that Whinney Hill spraying stops when the site work is finished, but if it doesn't, and the spray smell reaches your homes and is causing you health problems, we will have entered a whole new bigger ball game of campaigning for the law to be changed.

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Well done Margaret, you have located a lot of information. As you quite rightly say they are acting legally and being monitored but if in future any reference is needed your information is to hand.

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These odours whatever they may be, are only to disguise the smell's that do not go away, only stay hidden, it is no different than leaving or dumping 'dog muck in a big hole. Incineration is the answer to the problem, we then come to the problem of "not in my back yard", nobody in their right senses would allow them near their properties. In the middle of nowhere is the place for a destructor plant, but then it's 'greenbelt' and would not be allowed. "The answer my friends is blowing in the wind", but not for long if Margaret get's her way.:D

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Excellent news -just got a mail from Waste Management Services Preston- they are using the good stuff called Mist Air (see my earlier post about it) :D