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Eric 23-08-2007 22:40
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Maybe a lot of the kids from wealthier homes are given "toys" (eveything they demand) instead of parenting ... ignore the little ******, shut him up with a laptop ... sort of parenting via bribery.

garinda 23-08-2007 22:44
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Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 463698)
The government cannot bring your kids up for you. The parents are the ones who teach them right from wrong. Then when they get older - friends are their influences along with tv, radio, newspapers, music, internet etc. You cant blame just one its them all. Im lucky in a way i dont have any kids and so dont have to bother about outside influences on my kids. But i do have nieces and nephews and 3 of them are teenagers 18, 15, and 13. You dont know what your kids get up to once they leave the house to go out with their mates. You only hope that once they are out that they dont forget what you have taught them - to respect their elders, behave, dont get involved in drugs, etc. It's not the church's fault, its not the governments fault, its not the parents fault - its the kids themselves if they do something against the law then they should take the full consequences not see it as a holiday etc. Those kids who have been arrested for this one is 14 one is 18. They are old enough to know what is right and what is wrong.
You're right, disipline, and teaching right from wrong, should begin in the home.

I'm not talking about this case in paricular, but when young teens are out until all hours, with money to spend on drink, drugs, knives etc., it is obvious parenting skills are somewhat lacking in those cases, to say the very least.

shillelagh 23-08-2007 22:48
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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 463701)
Maybe a lot of the kids from wealthier homes are given "toys" (eveything they demand) instead of parenting ... ignore the little ******, shut him up with a laptop ... sort of parenting via bribery.
That could be it Eric. Maybe if they had to earn it like what we did then maybe they'd treat things better and also get a feeling like it is to earn something. I know when i was a kid i was lucky because my dad had his own business and i was spoilt anything i wanted until i was 14 i could have within reason. When i was 14 my dad became ill and had to sell his business and so we didnt have that money coming in and had to earn my spending money. My job was to polish the bedrooms on a wednesday and the living room on a sunday and wash up after tea. If i didnt do it i got my spending money docked - it depended on what i hadnt done to how much i got docked. They only docked it once - i learnt my lesson with that. How many kids get their spending money docked if they dont do anything in the house nowadays. Not many i would guess.

SPUGGIE J 23-08-2007 22:49
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 463703)
You're right, disipline, and teaching right from wrong, should begin in the home.

I'm not talking about this case in paricular, but when young teens are out until all hours, with money to spend on drink, drugs, knives etc., it is obvious parenting skills are somewhat lacking in those cases, to say the very least.
That and the out of site out of mind attitude of some parents.

cashman 23-08-2007 22:52
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 463703)
You're right, disipline, and teaching right from wrong, should begin in the home.

I'm not talking about this case in paricular, but when young teens are out until all hours, with money to spend on drink, drugs, knives etc., it is obvious parenting skills are somewhat lacking in those cases, to say the very least.
thats what ive been rattling on about for yonks.

garinda 23-08-2007 22:56
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 463708)
thats what ive been rattling on about for yonks.
When I lived in Glasgow there was a park across from my flat, there would be ten to twelve year old children in there most nights until two or three in the morning every night. For their own safety, as well as fearing what they might be up to, you'd have thought most parents wouldn't have allowed it, but I guess some just don't care.

SPUGGIE J 23-08-2007 23:00
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When I lived in Glasgow there was a park across from my flat, there would be ten to twelve year old children in there most nights until two or three in the morning every night. For their own safety, as well as fearing what they might be up to, you'd have thought most parents wouldn't have allowed it, but I guess some just don't care.
I have that problem every Friday and Saturday night and as for their parents then they either dont give a hoot or kids interfere with their social lives. Chances are they dont even know who is with who and what they are doing. If they ask the following day they will get a load of cheek etc about interfering with their offsprings life.

garinda 23-08-2007 23:07
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Children have always been up to mischief, it's part of growing up. Nowadays they fear, or more tellingly, respect no one, teachers, the police, or other adults who have the nerve to rebuke bad behaviour if they see it.

I'm really not trying to score cheap political points, but trying to think when we as a nation changed, I think it was in the seventies, and the Thatcher era were only the 'me' generation counts, and sod the rest of society because I'm going to do what I want.

garinda 23-08-2007 23:18
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Appologies to all the well behaved young people we have on Accy Web. I know I'm making sweeping generalisations.

Not all young people are hoodlums, it's just that there are definitely more now than there used to be.

cashman 23-08-2007 23:24
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 463721)
Children have always been up to mischief, it's part of growing up. Nowadays they fear, or more tellingly, respect no one, teachers, the police, or other adults who have the nerve to rebuke bad behaviour if they see it.

I'm really not trying to score cheap political points, but trying to think when we as a nation changed, I think it was in the seventies, and the Thatcher era were only the 'me' generation counts, and sod the rest of society because I'm going to do what I want.
thats it in a nutshell, remember when young some grumpy sod threatened to tell me dad, that was it crapping time, now when this grumpy sod says owt to em, you get so what? F off, or words to that effect kids have NO FEAR of retribution now,at the end of the day,they can prosecute parents, teachers and i wonder whose to blame for that:rolleyes: its fine gordon brown saying i will be tough on the gang culture etc thats too bloody late, you gotta start at home, good parents manage it,so why cant the others? its those that have to fear retribution cos thats the only way they will teach the kids.

junetta 23-08-2007 23:24
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My heart bled for that poor woman tonight. How can anyone explain to her, the reason why her little boy was killed? Maybe, she had strict guidelines for her son, happen the killer's parents didn't care a damn where their son was at the time. Can you just even begin to think how she feels tonight?

My generation was taught respect and, sadly, this has gone by the wayside during recent years. I totally agree with Jen and Rindy......and also reckon first and second generation thugs have led to a third.

Poor, poor family xxxx

cashman 23-08-2007 23:26
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 463727)
Appologies to all the well behaved young people we have on Accy Web. I know I'm making sweeping generalisations.

Not all young people are hoodlums, it's just that there are definitely more now than there used to be.
most are still ok i think, its the lack of respect n violence that has increased, by the wrong uns making society more fearful.

SPUGGIE J 23-08-2007 23:31
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 463736)
most are still ok i think,

Hope so are we are going to be in deep trouble. :eek:

cashman 23-08-2007 23:34
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Originally Posted by SPUGGIE J (Post 463737)
Hope so are we are going to be in deep trouble. :eek:
i added a bit to that quote spug.;)

shillelagh 24-08-2007 00:39
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So whats the answer - advanced parenting courses for parents to be? Teach respect and good behaviour. What goes on in the home we dont know. We only know what goes on in our own homes not in anybody elses.


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