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I agree Bernie, it would make sense for multiple entrances, hopefully these are details that aren't yet set in stone.
Personally I am and was always 'for' it as I'm one of those who currently goes out of town to shop ( I absolutely HATE the car park layout at ASDA to teh point that i don't want to shop there). I also believe that it is a chance for teh town centre to get some oomph back. Once people are going into town for whatever reason its then up to the shops and market to make it an enjoyable experience to shop there.

Graham, not sure if this is something teh council could or should get involved with but IMHO some form of 'supermarket trolley' that can be used round the whole of town would be a cracking idea. The only bad part of shopping on the market and in town is that you end up lugging half a hundredweight of veg etc round with you. If we turned the whole of the 'market town' into a true 'Supermarket' with trolley zones by the car parks etc I reckon more peole would be willing to shop at the small stores. ake them "£1" deposit ones or whatever I'd still use one.

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It is good to hear that you admit you are not a traffic expert and that you listen to those that are.

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yep, as I understand it its going to be like Burnleys

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Is there not likely to be uproar from those who are electrical retailers already her that they couldn't compete? Change in the town will be good but at what expense?

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I cant wait for it to open:D....will be a change from Asda, since that shop is getting very expensive:rolleyes:

There will be a price war between em both:D

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When I do my online grocery shopping, I use the comparison site - MySupermarket.
It depends on what you are buying, but for me, Tesco always works out a few pounds cheaper than Asda.

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What electrical retailers in town? We don't have a dixons, currys, comet, etc. just cryers for panasonic and the cheap shop for refurb LCDs. Only other place is Argos who are tesco like so let them fight for it!

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woolies sell some electrical stuff but not much, surprised they havent started selling big LCD/plasma tvs

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If you want to view before you buy and don't shop on-line you have to go out of town to buy most large items. I had to go to Whitebirk for a new cooker hardly ideal for someone who doesn't drive!!!

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This is an interesting point because I think one of the reasons why Accrington has gone down hill is because of people saying 'no' all the time. The local Chamber of Trade or Shopkeepers Forum (whatever they're called - I can't remember) seem to be up in arms about stuff all the time. If they'd been saying yes then possibly there would be more things going on in the town centre. The only way to get investment into the town centre is to drag it in other retailers and create some competition.

Now, I realise that people are nervous about a Tesco taking their trade but let's face it, if you're going to shop in a supermarket you're already in Asda each week anyway.

What has to happen is that the town centre team has to capitalise on this and use it to draw other retailers in and to encourage business to thrive in the area.

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I agree Gayle, the council and shopkeepers need to ride on the wave of interest that this will generate to show their worth against teh ASDAs and TESCOs of this world.

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The council probably draw in more money from major supermarkets than they do from say.......all the revenue paid by Market Traders and the like.
Local traders will always struggle against the Supermarkets because of buying power.
Unless masssive incentives are offered and, more important ongoing trade, to make it sustainable it will be very difficult to attract anyone.

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I agree but if there's any time to do this, now is that time.

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thats been happening fer years royboy, there has been no real incentive to the big name stores to venture into accy, so therefore they aint, maybe,just maybe the authority will wake up in the advent of the new tesco, if they don't, then its same as always been.

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The main problem with a lot of town centres now is that they are all the same, there's no choice. Maybe the money the council take from Tesco's could be used to generate an incentive scheme where retailers can offer something different and making Accy a place for people to have a change.

Mind you they might need a border patrol round the town centre to keep some of those out that now frequent it :rolleyes:

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I agree Gayle. In general we may end up pandering to backward thinking.

I was thinking of off-licenses, planning. Having a kebab shop of 'offy' plonked in a quiet residential area because national law says so removes power from ordinary people.

I felt that Tesco's was not a choice because of national planning policies. In all likelood, The Council Tax payer would have lost a lot of money. Laws have been tightened to empower local communities but not enough in this case.

If it had been purely a local decision I don't know which way I would have voted because supermarkets are unethical companies. However the vast majority of people in Peel Ward would be in favour and it is their view I am allowed to represent by their support.

I would probably have voted for because i believe the leakage, the amount of extra people shopping in the town because of Tesco's will increase. Also the south side of Blackburn Rd will be transformed into a residential area above the retail and Tesco's will help that transformation in my view.

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I am confused now Enti! Did we have this conversatiion a year ago????:confused:

I have been advocating a change in how we shop including the 'TC trolley' for a while. That includes suitable flooring, suitable locations, co-operation, anti-chav measures (like a £2 coin slot) or £5 deposit at a kiosk.

I also thought a TC 'trolley bus' may be a good idea. I like in San Fran how you hop on and off over a short space. A roof on Broadway for obvious reasons may promote that idea though a town full of colliding trolleys might put some people off. Designer trolleys?? Trolley zones???

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We have been floating lots of ideas and they seem to be being accepted by the other Councillors. Talk of doing away with the folly of the pavilions, at least on Peel Street with the moving of the Bus Station. We think french type wheeled stalls (the wooden ones you see) with folding sides and colourful awnings may be ideal. Rented when wanted, located where suitable, stored securely from vandals and thieves cutting costs, they would be an attractive alternative to the less charming empty rows of pavilion stalls we have now and reveal once again the magnificence of the Market Hall stone work.

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I really hope that the access has been sorted out for the new store, was on the bus on Monday and it took twenty minutes to get from the town hall out past the Railway:eek: This was at just after two in the afternoon so not even peak time, god knows what it will be like when folk are travelling to and from work!!!

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It think they maybe a little bit late Bernie:D:D

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Well it looks like they have made a start on this tesco's:D
unless they are just doing the carpark up ??

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It really saddens me that we're going to become another corporate ghost town. :(

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is that across from lardies?

if it is then i thinks its great,its not far from me and i wont have to go to asda. shame its not a morrisons, i like morrisons better but its too far for me to go for my shopping.

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people already go out of town to tesco anyway so i think its a great idea, i know a few of my friends take the bus to the one in Haslingden, i know they will welcome it

in Blackburn we have had all the major supermarkets for years and Blackburn hasnt died a death yet

Accrington has been dying a death for years, it has nothing at all to do with the upcoming supermarket, that will bring people INTO the town, so when people say it will be bad for Accy, i say its a load of testicles

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This week I have divided my fortnightly delivery between Tesco and Asda, because both were offering me £10 discount by voucher.

If you want to save on grocery shopping you need to organise your freezer and storecupboard, plan for needs for 2 weeks ahead, buy in bulk where you can, and use voucher numbers (available at other online sites) which will give you a discount of more than the delivery charge.

When more people realise they can do this, it wont matter where the new supermarkets are built

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i usually like going and doing my shopping, (asda smells funny atm lol)if i didnt go and do it i would only leave the house to take ty to school and pick him up..

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i'm with flashy on this, once a week i go blackburn fer tesco, to me the people that gripe have a vested interest. as i said before "Tesco" certainly didn't do Burnley much harm.:rolleyes:

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i used to go to tesco in burnley, pretty good value for money

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Don't think it is Tesco doing the work Mick, think it is for the new rail/bus station

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I thought Tesco was gonna be further UP the road, thats were the carpark was so bernadette ya could be right;)

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You are right, tesco is going to be built on the disused "skillcentre" site across from the eagle st car park where all the work is going on at the moment. Bernadette is right, the work going on at the moment is for the new rail and bus interchange. According to the Accrington Observer website, Tesco will be having talks with their contractors shortly so it wont be long before the whole area is like a giant building site on Eagle street!!

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Flashy I think you are wrong. Blackburn born and bread.
I went into the market on Friday of last week and was disgusted at the demise of Blackburn Market and of the Mall. Empty stalls in both.
I think the same applies to Accrington.
Supermarkets control the trade and buying clout which is outside the the reach of local traders and they cannot compete.
Tesco, Asda, Morrison's, Sommerfields and Sainsbury's. with the lesser extent Lidle and Alde do not give the local traders a chance.
Can you say that local produce is sold or offered for sale in these outlets?
My suggestion would be that if a new Supermarket with all the trimmings, car parks etc., were submitted for planning permission then there should be built on the complex outlets for local traders say 20, rent free.
They would be subjected to council tax and the Council would not suffer.
Silly suggestion I know but worth thinking about.
Dream on Royboy.

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I bought Lancashire milk, mushrooms and carrots from Tesco the other day.

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I love reading your posts Margaret, the way your organised reminds me of my mum, she was a very good house keeper and was very thrifty to boot, I think a lot of what my mum did rubbed of on me, because I tend to do the things she did as far as houshold planning. One thing my mother did teach me was not to use HP, I never have or will, If I want anything I save for it and don't go into debt

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LOL - I thought for a second you meant HP sauce - almost went to look at my bottle in case I had missed noticing a hazardous ingredient:D

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If more and more people shop on line, we won't have anymore Supermarkets being built. :)

Still like to shop instore and see what I am getting before I pay for it. :)

Go to tescos in Blackburn at the mo, and occasionally Haslingden. So would certainly be using the new store.

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Have expressed my opinion many times on here .. just once again am disappointed that Sainsburys and their location plans have not been considered seriously as an alternative by our Councillors. 'Heil Tesco' and their bribes ..end of :mad:

Don't think many more people will shop online ... unless you are at home most days to accept delivery.

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Deliveries evenings and weekends too

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i think people are in a way wrong to just start accusing asda/morrisons/tesco of killing the local markets etc

simple fact is money talks and convienience matters.

as fresh/nice/nostalgic things are from the market - they're cheaper in asda. you dont have to walk stall to stall getting the stuff - you bang it in one trolley and there you go. you only have to get once on the way into asda and once on your way out. none of this walking quickly from here to there getting cold.

the town wont die. people will still enjoy getting stuff from shops etc. that whole notion of the home made family store has long died off.

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Quite agree mani, the corner shop died of a long time ago. On the passing of te corner shop, one of Hyndburns biggest employers went with it. I worked for Lancashir Shopfitters in the sixies and seventies and nearly 100% of the buiness was aimed at the corner shop, when the muli-nationals started to get a grip, the days were numbered for that firm.

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the local shops wont die off as they will have their regulars..did they have all this when marks and spencers/asda moved in?...
how many folk do their shopping in burnley/blackburn already?
and there will be many a householder looking forward to tesco being built as they may benefit from getting a job from it...you always look after yourself..

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Me too along with Lancashire strawberries...............:rolleyes:

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very well summed up mani, its all about ease n cost, thats the bottom line fer US as well as the big supermarkets, some just can't/won't see that.:rolleyes:

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I wonder if they'll be building this new Tesco with Accrington Brick?

From today's Telegraph: Famous Accrington brick manufacturer to close (From This Is Lancashire)

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if they can get it Cheap then probably.:rolleyes:

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Yet another old local firm bites the dust

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That is a blow to the area.

This is a quote from that news article

I just don't see how HBC can influence a multinational company to stay in Hyndburn.

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she means well,but very futile.

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The fact of the matter is that building firms have mothballed sites and have stopped building as no one is buying, can't see how the council can do anything about that, if houses aren't being built nobody wants bricks

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Tesco are building supermarkets though. Couldn't the council insist on the use of local products in the construction?

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Not sure but I think they did with the Arndale multi-story car park.:confused:

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Hmmm. Clare Pritchard said that, didn't she?

I didn't understand that comment either, Neil......like HBC are to blame for a brick company folding because, among other things, houses aren't being built and the country's in a bad financial way. :confused:

How about blaming the government running the country?

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she's probably got a needless guilt complex.

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Maybe she is referring to any lack of incentives that the council offers to attract businesses. Whilst it might mean a lack of money to offer rate free periods etc it does have the benefit of keeping people in work who can then pay council tax etc.

OMG I'm getting involved in politics, I better take some pills :D

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If the council were to help one struggling company it would have to help them all otherwise it would be unfair and that is not possible.

It is unfair to suggest that HBC could have kept the brick company open. :(

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I agree with Lilly, just look at what Joseph Arnolds did. They built the Berlin wall at Church and when the rate free time was up moved most of the jobs out of town!!

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I agree with Lilly to a large extent. I don't expect the council to bail out large companies but I'm sure there are ways to attract small companies to set up, which hopefully will in turn grow large enough to start employing local people. I think the days of the large companies in towns like Accrington are long gone, alternatives need to be found

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think those days are gone dave, its more leisure/ part time work etc these days, accy will never see the days of big industry again, along with many other places.:(

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Most things are cheaper and better quality if you shop in town. However supermarkets do offer the convenience for people with busy lives.

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i do shop in town also fer fruit n veg from the market, plus occasional bunch of flowers, n other bits n bobs. also go butchers fer all me meat, as yer a well seasoned shopper, pray tell us what else of the "Most" things are cheaper?

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What about...Jamas, shreddies and kickers? :D

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the stuff i listed are actually NOT cheaper than the supermarket, just better quality.:)

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Got you the first time round..........I'm sure the post Andrew made can't follow the party line.............You know my views on local traders.........Support them. :)

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It the Council offered low rate/no rate periods then us Council Tax payers would have to make up the deficit or put up with reduced services. You said people in work pay Council Tax - doesn't the Council Tax get paid by central Government for people not in work?

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i'm sorry andrew but thats rubbish.

for all the pound stores in accrington where you can pick off the odd bargain its been proven that stores in and around the town centre aside from those belonging to big companies simply cannot buy at the prices supermarkets can.

some of the bargains i got from asda recently

jumbo pack pampers nappies £8 - boots as big as they are sell them 13
persil washing up liquid - 50p normally around the 80/90+ mark
daz powder big box £5 - normally around a tenner

as big as wilkinsons, woolies, superdrug, boots and the other companies are - they aint gonna be getting those prices. places like home and bargains etc get the items when they're close to end of line or they're matchin asda's etc prices

my brother owns an off-licence in london and he says the wholesale price in london for a case of beer sometimes is more expensive than what shoppers can buy at asda.

at the moment

asda - 16 cans of sprite for £3, graco car seat £25 normally 45 supa-noodles 5 for £1
tesco - tesco value toothbrushes - 7p 7 frikking pence. ok they're not great but brilliant for doin a spot of cleanin etc. castrol oil for 11 normally £20
morrisons - phillips energy saving light bulbs 5 for 50p

all those offers available within a 10/15mile radius.

no shop in town can without taking a hit give back some of them offers.

they wont be cheaper maybe better quality but then your paying for it. but for alot of people, alot of whom make up the accrington demographic - the low income families - these cheap deals are what get them through. not quality but quantity.

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Oh well, I'll go back to staying out of politics then :D

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That would be a drop in the ocean yerself and would not help in the big picture, firm such as this don't look at today they have to plan months and months ahead and its with this in mind that they feel, under the current climate that they can't carry on, but as was stated it may reconsider its decision if there is an upturn in the building market, lets hope this is the case

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Is this a new currency?;)

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Agreed, but if HBC could insist that planning permission would only be granted to firms using local products and labour would this not help the borough? In the not too distant past we've had 2 big health centres and more than one sizeable housing estate built in Hyndburn.

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good sense in that,only downside i can see is ALL councils would have to do it, otherwise firms would just go elsewhere cos it suited em.

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Your quite right cashy, if yerself got is wishes than Nori would only be able to sell their goods in Hydndburn which would still be no good in keeping th plant open

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Not at all, because most towns don't have a brick manufacturing company. Perhaps I should have said preference will be given to companies using locally manufactured products if they are available.

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What about changing the name of the borough?

That's bound to bring new investment to the area.:rolleyes:

:D

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Good grief Rindi your a genius, I wonder why somebody else hasn't thought of that before:D:rolleyes:

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That's a brilliant idea - what they should do is use the main town's name so that everyone knows where we are, then just join the rest of the towns together as a sort of 'district'. ;)

The way to bring new investment to an area is to actively go out looking for it. There are a few factors why companies would want to base themselves here - close to motorway network, low prices, manufacturing workforce, but equally there are a number of reasons why companies would choose not to base themselves here - lack of further education (less educated staff), not so many others based here (if you build it they will come) and image!

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My grandma says there is a meeting for views about Tesco on Monday. She neglected to attain any information other than this. I'm rather interested, does anyone know more?

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No, is it about the Accy Tesco or the Ossy one do you know?

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I presume it's Accrington because I think she was stopped in Accrington town center.

Seems nobody knows about it though?

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'...a survey by the Lancashire Telegraph revealed the town’s main shopping centre has 12 empty units and more than 20 premises in the town centre are up for let.'

http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/ne...in_Accrington/

This isn't just down to the recession, as Accrington had many empty shops before the credit crunch.

Watch it get worse, when the town centre Tesco opens.

As someone who actually shops in Accrington, and has only been to a town centre supermarket twice in the last five years, many of the traders, who are only just managing to stay afloat now, say this will finish their businesses off for good.

Well done H.B.C., a fine legacy to leave the people of the borough.

Still, at least the bung, whoops, million pound donation the council received from Tesco, given if the planning application was passed, will mean the flower towers will be well stocked. So although Accrington will become a commercial desert, at least it will be a pretty desert.

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all you have to do is look at rawtenstall ..

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Do we have to?:rolleyes::)

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i tried and it burned my eyes

thanx :rolleyes:

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Not much the council can do, not even Tesco's fault. Town centres all over the country are rotting, even picturesque market towns like skipton are becoming 'samey', with every other stall being tacky clothes, mass produced preserves or biscuits and sweets.

Go back 20 years to see what those empty shops in Accrington were :-

4 or 5 TV rental/repair shops...no longer needed, cheaper to buy from new than to repair, throwaway society..whatever

Bookshop....replaced by the internet

Toyshop...replaced by the internet

Woolshop..clothes now cheaper to buy than the wool

Typewriter shop... replaced by the computer

Hobby shop...electric train sets/airfix/scalextrix/subuteo....replaced by computer games

2 Tobacconists... no longer needed in a healthy world

3 or 4 Travel Agents...replaced by the internet

2 or 3 Furniture stores

Car accessory shop

Bike shop

etc..etc..etc..

all replaced by cheaper alternatives and the advent of t'internet

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...and most of those things can also bought in supermarkets, which when placed in town centres, have an even more detrimental effect on existing businesses.

The internet hasn't stopped people from shopping in super stores.

The only loser in the end will be the consumer, as there'll be soon be only two or three companies, who'll have a shared monoploy, and will be able to charge what they like, because all the competition will have ceased to exisit, in part due to short-sighted councils, like H.B.C.

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At least the town centre won't be short of places to get odds wehter Tesco's will kill it. Makes me laugh that the Arndale owners have managed to fill some of the retail units with real retailers :confused: