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I thought that the plans were for higher education or job training, which means practical work such as that which used to be provided in Technical colleges for those not academically inclined.

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Well it is one way to keep them occupied USEFULLY

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The retirement age is being raised, so it is rational to increase school leaving age, in order to prevent an increase in unemployment

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Why can't they make the most of the two years, or is that beyond todays youth ?

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Some new info from the Guardian in last few hours
Q&A: The new school leaving age | Schools special reports | EducationGuardian.co.uk

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Is this not going more and more the way of a police state? Are we going to be told what time to wake up next etc?

I can understand what the government is trying to achieve, but not agree with forcing people to do it. Would it not be a better idea to make it easier financially for the children that want to further education but still keep the choice there? A lot of families have to rely on the elder teens to go and work as soon as they can. The families cant afford to keep supporting the child thru the education system,and so the child has to work.

Also, schools are disrupted enough already with children that simply do not want to learn. Why keep them there, interfering with willing kids 2 years longer.

And then you have the worry of this making the examination pointless. There has already been the accusations of exams being made easier and de-valuing the inportance of A levels, degrees etc. If you have more 'children' going for further education, the exams will be made easier (wouldnt exactly be fair to have loads of less academically able kids sitting another two years of school only to fail the exams).

As I say, I understand the idea behind this, but dont think forcing people down this route is the best scenario. The money it would cost could be far better used.

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Rather than looking at it in a negative way can nobody see any positives to this idea? The way I look at it the offer of widening your education if only on a part time basis can only be a good move. They are not saying you can't work just that at the same time as working you can further your education. I truly hope the young people embrace the idea.

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Good point Bernadette. The current school leaving age is 16. Up to that point there are those who want to learn and those who don't. Those who want to learn will probably go on to college and this will be replaced by school, those who don't want to learn will probably carry on littering Accy town centre.

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How can you guarantee it won't work?:confused:

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It is just that I can see it helping some kids who through no fault of their own may leave school under qualified. Matybe they are in dead end jobs because their family needs the income to survive. If they were then to get the extra educational help they need maybe they can aspire to getting a better job in the future.

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i think it should stay as it is as like people say them who want to learn will do so and can go on to higher education at college and them who dont want to learn will get nowhere in life until they decide to do something with there life.

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well i think its an excellent idea, it would save the government millions in job seekers benefits and those millions could be put to good use by opening up new sixth forms...unfortunately it doesnt come into force till the year Reece leaves school :(

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Thank goodness someone else sees it as a positive move!!

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Education to the age of 18, and beyond, is available now for those who want it. Those who don't want it will not be made more academically minded by being forced to stay at school and they won't be made into better citizens either.

When I left school those of us at Grammar Schools couldn't leave until the age of 16 but the school leaving age was 15. There was that, now old-fashioned, system in place - the apprenticeship - and many a 15 year old school leaver entered into one and learned a trade. There was a sense of pride in having a job, earning a living (albeit often only just) and setting out on the road to a future as a craftsman/woman.

Now the apprenticeship has been replaced by short courses etc. and the work ethic has given way to the "I want it now" attitude. Making unwilling teenagers, who aren't going to study, stay at school for another 2 years will only reinforce the concept, to some, that there is no need to get out and make your way in the world as someone else will always pick up the tab.

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Good luck to her, Willow, I'm sure she'll do well. I just hope her college doesn't become inundated with unwilling, not to say bloody-minded, "detainees".

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This is yet another crackpot idea from the government. When is Brown and Co going to learn that you can take a herd of horses to water but you cannot make them all drink?

The same applies to kids. They are different Mr Brown. Some are bright, some are not. Some have academic tendencies some are practically natural engineers. Some have a bent for electrical work, some for plumbing, some for carpentry. They all have a skill of some sort. Find it – bring it out – nurture it.

The money would be better spent on making sure that every single child leaving primary school can’t just read and write but is a COMPETENT writer, reader and skilled in basic maths.

The other point is where is the funding for this crazy idea going to come from? Further cuts to other services perhaps? It certainly won’t be funded by cancelling Trident, ID cards and not embarking on other white elephants.

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I read the article with more than a little amusement. Johnson was citing Canada, particularly the Province of Ontario as a model. A couple of years ago Ontario actually lowered the leaving age in a sense. Ontario schools used to have a Grade 13 for students who were heading for university. This was cut out, leaving universities to cope with the strain of more applicants, and the influx of younger students too immature to cope with independence. Many of Ontario's universities are now facing problems associated with underage drinking and unplanned pregnancy. The number of abortions performed at KGH has increased alarmingly and the Hotel Dieu has tripled the size of its detox facitity. The major problem facing Kingston Police Department at weekends is controlling drunken underage students. At this year's Homecoming Weekend at Queens' University a street party attended by over 7000 revellers, along with the general partying cost the city over $400,000 in policing costs. (However, the weekend festivities brought millions of dollars into the city ... all the hotels and restaurants were fully booked. Annually Queens' puts well over $1.5 billion into the city economy and the students spend over $200 million with local businesses) Fortunately for Kingstonians these drunks are good natured and only mildly annoying as most of them live in the student ghetto, and area of the city in which the large Victorian houses are converted into student housing. Another downside is that a major financial burden has been thrown onto the only partially publically funded universities, which has resulted in a dilution of the quality of higher education. (Queens' is lucky in having a well-heeled group of allumni who annually kick in millions of tax-deductable donations to their alma mater. Queens' owns a castle in England ... Herstmonceux in Sussex I believe ... and one third of the Rembrandts in Canada are owned by the University and on display at Agnes Etherington Art Gallery ... ok, so its only 2 Rembrandts, but ....) I think the point is that whatever the law, whatever the leaving age one must remember the definition of horticulture: "You can lead a whore to culture, but you can't make her think." There was one about a horse too, but I forget it.

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well you cant claim jobseekers till your 18 anyway flashy...

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Struggle i know you get a EMA of £30 a week if you are in college.

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yes thats correct i forgot to add that.

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yes im sure that is the way as whats to stop a child leaving school and then starting life on the dole :)

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nothing but seen as most dole dossiers are poor the need money so get a working life drilled into them or at least that is what the goverment think :D

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The problem will be the reduction of jobs available to uneducated persons- there wont be jobs for them to do (unless they go seasonal cockle picking or gathering cabbages)

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EMA ranging from £0-£30 a week, not saving money IMO, bear into mind the additional teaching and resources cost.

(EMA being the most flawed system created by man :-

If your parents earn less than £30,000 a year, you get money for attending college. Go to university and you'll get money for that to.

A friend of mine(17) doesn't have a job, predicted BCCC for A levels, lives 3 blocks away from me, receives £30 a week, plus bonuses for attending college.

When he goes to university, grants and bursaries will cover tuition fees, therefore he does not have to worry about saving for university, as he will only have to pay for living expenses.

You may argue that EMA allows struggling families to keep going whilst having a 16-18 year old still in education, it simply doesn't. 99.9% of EMA money is spent in pubs on thursdays, fridays and saturdays, they don't need it.

My parents earn £50,000 a year. Will not be able to support me financially at university. I get nothing for attending college. I will get nothing for attending university.

I work weekends earning £198 per month. £100 of that is put into savings. This gives me around £15 per week, half that of somebody who's parents don't work/work part time. He gets twice as much money, and hasn't done a days work in his life.

When I go to university, I will have to take out a crippling student loan, £3K tuition fee x3 + living expenses, coming out with £15K-25K debt.

I'll have around £2000 in savings after 2 years work, not even the first year's tuition.

I am predicted AAAA at A level, if I do manage to achieve this, I'll get £1000 a year scholarship, if my parents didn't earn over £30,000, I'd get £5,000 a year scholarship.

The system is so damn flawed that a millionaire's child can claim £30 a week, as EMA is income based, and if your a millionaire, you don't have income(I know some do, but you understand the point).

My point is that the EMA system actively discourages working - if you can't be bothered earning your education, and your parents can't be bothered getting a job, they'll pay it for you. If you work, your parents work, you can be left to yourself.

I know this is incredibly off topic, and at best a ramble, I've been meaning to say something for a while and this has sparked me off. )

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I think your misunderstanding the aim of the proposal. A young person will have to stay in some orm of education til the age of 18, not necessarily school. If after 16 a person chooses to work, their employer must ensure that the young person is gaining some for of written qualification whilst working there, til the age ofer 18. The ai is to ensure that all persons under 18 gain a form of academic or vocational qualification higher than the current standard and reduce the unemployment figures, as if u have written qualifications have (arguably) more chances of getting a job.

I think it's a brilliant idea, but I guess it depends on the perspective of the young person, as I have voluntarily done what the proposal says, so I'm bound to think its an excellent idea, where as if you hated school (and I wasnt the biggest fan) then I guess this proposal could be seen in a negative way.

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You raise some very relevant points Samf it does seeem to be a very flawed. How on earth do you cope with the thought of all that debt just to get you through uni? It is absolutely terrible IMO.

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I am currently in debt after 1 month and having to apply for hardship funds, and I dont even go out socialising other than the gospel choir (which cost a one off payment of £2) and I know alot of people in the same boat, and it is very stressful. Text books are ridiculously expensive and most book shops offer no discount for students. Waterstones offered 10% for a month, but now thats over the cost is sky high.

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I have tried to find a job aswell for a few hours a day as a cleaner, but so far I have been unsuccessful, and its hard to find reasonable jobs for just a few hours, unless I am to settle for a newspaper round for £10 a week or whatever the going rate is now :D

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Yes I can see it isn't easy getting yourself through uni, hope it is all worth it in the end.

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Well unfortunatly, technology has gone as far as having a lot of texts on the internet, but the problem is that you cant always be sure who the author is, and with being a law student, u have to buy up to date text books, so lovely second hand ones are out of the question, and books are around 30 pound each on average and thats just the basic reading, so to buy others to help further your knowledge it can be very costly alone.

All I can say is that its a good job I'm not a drinker and enjoy the gospel choir :p

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Law, eh. Don't worry you will be able to recover the cost by inflating your bills:) when you graduate. If you wish to read a satirical comment on the law, try the second book of Gulliver's Travels.:rolleyes:

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Theres a second book of gullivers travels? I've only ever read it when I was teeny and it was a few pages long :p I never liked the story. I dont even have time to read anything that isnt relevant to my studies, but accyweb gets posted on during my breaks :p


On looking on the web, I see now that there are several parts to gullivers travels and I only knew of the first. Seen as I genuinely don't have time, would you like to tell me about the 'satirical comment on the law', I'm keen to know what it says now.

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Actually you can it is £35.65 pw for 16-17 yr olds rising to £46.85 for 18-24yr olds then after that it is £59.15

Not that I advocate it of course

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They used to let you claim it during summer holidays as well if you where at college, but of course they've stopped that now, but my law teacher at college told me that thats what all the students did. Terrible really.

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I'd hate to see how many pages are in what you define as a big book!

:D

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It was a shortened childrens version in a book of many stories, I still have it actually at home. The law text book in front of me has 815, so thats a medium book :D the big books are in the library :D and there are volumes and volumes lol.

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The only capital crime in Brobdingnag is writing commentary on the law:eek:. A giant step in the right direction.:D

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I understand your pun on the word giant, but wouldn't it be a giant step in the wrong direction? Sounds like a law a dictator would make to me!

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Hobson's Choice, give them 3 shovels and tell them to take their 'pick', NO WORK NO EAT. Do not forget our Grandparent's worked half time, but still managed to aquire the basic's of educationTHE THREE Rs, the wrong subjects are being taught, in the name of statistics.

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If the wrong subjects are being taught, then how come some people are not failing in the education system?

I think its more a case that you arent taught the benefits of it during high school. I dont recall anyone ever asking me what I wanted to do when I was older, and being taught how to aim for it. I was just fortunate that I made the right choice when I left school that i did definatly want to go to college, but I had no idea what. I nearly ended up doing BTEC's in Music, and thankfully I didnt, and luckily at college they drill it into your head that you need good grades for uni, and so here I am at uni, when I didnt even know what choices I had other than that.
I think the High school stage is the failing part, and if i'm not mistaken gordon brown is bringing economics and things into the school curriculum is he not? Which I guess is quite useful. I still dont have a clue about how to get a mortgage and a loan or anything like that, its like important life skills dont matter.

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Satire is meant to be taken seriously, but not literally:rolleyes: Whatever you do, stay away from Dean Swift's "Modest Proposal.":eek:

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Of course, I 100% understand that some people do need this money, however the vast, vast, vast majority who do get it don't need it.

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Unless you're very, very hungry. ;)

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And alot of people who do need it dont actually get it. To be honest, every single student in england could be forced to work part time to get money to fund their education, except those of course with disabilities that are very limited to work, but why should they if the money is there? One day they are more likely to have a job due to having more qualifications, and they will be tax payers and pay it all back, so its hardly unjust to give students money.

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Why?
Where are all the jobs for 'your' uneducated people going to go.
I say 'your' because I did not like the term "jobs available to uneducated persons"

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Why should some get it and others not ? Why do the people who's parents pay the least get the most ?

If your argument, as it seems to be, is that they will become tax payers in the end and therefore will pay it back, what makes the students who come from a background with a low work ethic more worthy of someone who will earn their keep ? If anything it is those that already have the part time jobs should be the first to receive the money, as they have shown the drive to get a job in the first place, meaning its more likely they will get a job after graduation, and therefore will be more likely to be paying tax/more tax in their future lives.

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Very well said.

Why should those who work hard to provide for there families get shafted while the idle ones get everything. A simple example would be prescription charges. Why should I pay shed loads in tax towards the NHS and still have to pay for prescriptions while the professional Tricia and Jerry Springer watchers get them for free?

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The theory is that the parents who can work can support their child to ensure they dont become unemployed, where as unemployed parents have very little means of supporting their children through education and are more likely to become unemployed themselves once they leave school.

I have friends who's parents earn too much money to be eligible for certain funds but they could really do with the funds, which is what i said in the first sentence in response to you. Just because someone is from a parentage with bad work ethic doesn't mean that they should be taken away the ability to fund their education too. Some peoples parents dont give a damn about whether they get a college/uni education or not, so why should those students be made to suffer just because some conservative people think that its wrong to provide equal oppurtunities for all, because thats basically what you are saying. Fair enough if you seemed more bothered about those from better off families not getting funding, but your making it sound very bitter to those 16yrs olds wanting to go to college and hoping for £30.

The idea the government have is that those earning £30,000+ will have gained some education themselves, and will understand that it is important to fund their child if they want the to be successful. People who dont work also want their children to do well but simply dont earn enough in the governments eyes to make a significant contribution, and so the government provide funds for those students. Its hardly unfair, it just excludes some criteria such as parents who earn £30000 but have for example 8 children, which is the type of family my friend was from, and she didnt get a penny, and obviously £30000 between 10 people doesnt go very far.

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I think some people are blaming the parents rather than thinking about the child of these families who do actually want to further their education and get decent jobs. Why should someone have a difficult time gaining an education just because people are condemning their parents?

Everyone deserves an equal chance at education, and if £30 a week is what is needed to do that then I believe that is fair, but then how many of you have actually been subjected to having to depend on money because your parents simply cant afford all the materials you need?

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Exactly. Equal opportunities. Why should I have to pay £25k when others get it for free ?

It is me that will have to work my arse off to get a degree and me who will have to deal the paying for the thing. My parents don't come into it, and they shouldn't do. It is going to be my name on the paper at the end of the day, not theirs, even if they could afford to help in anyway, they shouldn't have to.

It is possible for anybody aged 16 to get into college, it's free. The loans are there for anybody who gets the A levels to get into university. Anyone who is willing to work for it can get a degree, your parents could earn nothing, you could get no grants and still get a degree, you'll be stuck with the huge debts yes, but things cost it's a fact of life. My point is that not getting EMA will not stop you reaching higher education, no matter what your background.

Again, why should parents come into this, at the age of 18 your legally independent, it is you that wants the degree, and it should be you that pays for it, if your parents are rich and can pay for it, lucky you, but if the government started paying for everything rich kids can get from their parents there would be a lot more Range Rovers on the road.

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I'm from a low income family and I get £2000 a year free, which wouldnt amount to £25000 after 3 yrs of the same payments. I wouldnt have got through college without EMA and I had a job when I could manage one, and I know many people who wouldnt be here at Uni aswell without any funding whatsoever.
I will leave the education system with MORE than 25k debt and I'm from a low income single parent family, so I'm not going to complain about my right to financial help when I am going to be leaving here with just as much, if not more debt than alot of students.

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Law students are in the minority, spending a much longer time in the education system. If you look at it as a general "student" rather than law student what would your opinion be ? A side note being that not even a college education is needed to become a solicitor if you take the legal exec route.

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And who in their right mind would want to become a solicitor :p Also if you check the figures for the exams you still have to take when going through the none uni route, you would still accumulate at least £10000 debt, as I remember being told that one exam alone (The LPC i believe, costs on average £7000).

Law students are not in a minority when you consider that alot of the health profession, social services and business students spend more than 3yrs at university, just to name few of many subjects that now require more than just a degree to get a decent job. Also the number of law students is very high, and jobs are competitive, and those taking the exec route have to be particularly talented to get anywhere decent, so its more of a matter of time or money with the solicitors route.

However, I still think its relevant to point out that I am one of these low income students from 'bad work ethic families' or whatever your exact words where, and I still have to leave with a huge amount of debt just like everyone else. I have to pay for my fee's, my accomodation etc, so talking about degrees and the cost to anyone really has no relevance when it comes to social class and employment, as nobody is exempt from fee's as much as some people might like to believe, so the 'low income crowd' are of no significant advantage at university.

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Yes there was a little girl in the paper the other week, 6yrs old, who'd raised £8000 for her dad to have cancer treatment that wasn't funded by NHS.
I think the NHS funding is a little different that education funding, in the sense that, with educational funding they dont weigh up your chances of success, and unfortunatly with health, if its a medication they dont subscribe and you aren't likely to survive, then they cut the funds going to you in alot of cases.
Its not just the case of whether its on a list, its also whether the illness is past a certain point as well, as with that little girls dad, who apparently is doing really well on the medicine he's had to pay for.

I think I've heard in some cases that if NHS dont fund the medicine, but you pay for it yourself and do really well on it, then you can make an appeal for the funds.

The way I see this, is that I put down a third of the income on those EMA forms, so if those who are earning that are saying they struggle to live off 3 times my families income, and pay for bus fare and equipment for their children up to the costs of £30 a week tops, then their priorities clearly aren't right. Maybe its the fact that your running the car? We dont have a car in my household so I guess if people on low income can cope without that then aot of you could probably save oney by not having one, save on road tax and whatever and then buy a yearly bus pass or whatever :) save the environment :not_ripe:

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If its ok to not be fair on those who have low income then why can't it just not be fair on those with higher income for once then :) Its good that your father had the money to afford that treatment even if he had to make the rest of the family suffer a bit, because in this day and age with cancer drugs at £8000 for two months treatment, most people would have no choice but to just die.

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Good point Willow, in my day if you were 'working classes' it was work as well or you do not go, no computers etc, just expensive fountain pen's hours of longhand essays, no cutting and pasting out of text books, candles when the electricity ran out. As Mc milllan said in the early 60s"You aint never had it so good" some backsides are cleaned easyer than others.
As for the tablets Willow my comisserations I have personal exprrience in this field, although I have had the very best of treatment when it was required and dealt with admirably.

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Law is very old fashioned still and we still have to read out of huge dusty volumes of cases, and if we plagiarise then we are likely to never have a legal career, just as it was when you were young. Alot of subjects are much simpler now, for example there are degrees in film, media, sociology etc, which are undoubtedly easier, but it seems a few people are mistaken about how much students from low income families have to pay towards education compared to those with higher income. The difference isnt all that significant at all.

Why is it that older people believe young people dont study as hard and earn their education simply because there is more money to support them and more technology?

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Oh no we don't !!
Some of us have grandchildren in their teens who act responsibly.
There were yobs back then too, but they were dealt with harsher and earlier by the law/police and so didnt repeat offend as much.

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Everyone is nice and responsible in front of their grandparents. Its what they do when their on their own that causes the problems, not when their with their grandparents. Even the worst children behave for their grandparents.

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Absolute utter rubbish young man, each person is judged by the company they keep is my yardstick, I would not seek to judge you only through, your posts that are , are normally good that, was a crap reply, but i've sent you some karma for previous efforts. Just because us old- uns are 'old' it does not mean we are stupid, I can remember my youth as if it were yesterday:D

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So "old people think younger people are silly little yobs..........etc."? What you are saying, Jae Swift, is we older ones stereotype the young but aren't you stereotyping the old with that statement? You are implying that, once we reach pensionable age, we become incapable of differentiating between responsible young people and ill-bred louts. Nothing could be further from the truth. Many of us keep our mental faculties longer than our teeth and hair and we do know and appreciate the difference and, what's more, that there are differences.

And Blazey, "Everyone is nice and responsible in front of their grandparents". Do you assume grandparents have no knowledge of the nature and character of their grandchildren when they are out of sight? Do grandparents live in a cocooned world where their rose-tinted glasses show them only the well-scrubbed, false faces of their otherwise feckless grand-offspring? Perhaps, in a few instances, that is so but the majority of us are not so gullible.

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Well my friends are quiet studious geeks lol and so that theory doesnt quite add up.
I'm the type that stys up til 3am studying and you dislike me merely because my opinions clash with many accy webbers, yet someone like Jae comes along who goes on about getting hammered (during the week might I add, which is ludicrous if your looking for a job) and having no job and everyone loves him?

Something tells me theres a bit of hypocracy in that sense.

Most of the company I keep at university are mature students aswell, I only drink in the post graduate bar when u can have a discussion without havent to get 'hammered' and play the fool, so I'm a big fan of the Oldies lol.

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What is getting hammered to do with wherther kids should be kept in education till theyre 18? And does getting hammered make someone a bad person, whereas staying sober and studying till 3am make you a good person? Personally I couldnt care on someones drink ethics, it is the brain that I am interested in. One of the most intelligent people I ever knew (trinity College educated etc) was an out and out alcoholic.

I think that funding wise, the limit of 30k should should be raised due to the raise in housing prices (both mortgaged and rental) as that is the main drain on a family and more individual circumstances should be looked at.

Also, maybe I am an anomaly, but I have only GCSES, dropped out of college due to a family death, workied my butt off (even worked in McDonalds for a year), but at 31 have managed to get to a position where I work for a Global IT company with an income 30k+, company car, expense account etc etc etc. However, although that figure looks great, once I have paid for a rented house, childcare which I receive no help with, council tax (again no help), bills, income tax etc, I probably have less expendable income than 'a professional jeremy kyle watcher' (nice phrase lmao)

I came from a single parent family and was raised by my father, who had to end his careeer in the army to look after myself and my brother. I am raising a little boy as a single mother, and know that when it comes to the time when he is arguing why he should stop in education till he is 18, I will not be able to argue the case without looking like a hypocrit.

It should be up to the individual child if they want to go into further education, but there should be more help for those that want it, regardless of the family income.

With regards to the NHS, it winds me up to pay for being ill. So far, I am close to £50 this month. Goddamm winter!! lol

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Before you seek to call me a any names as you say 'HYPORACY' I suggest you learn how to spell the word it is 'HYPOCRICY'. For your information before you 'hijack' this thread and the 'mods' take it off and remove offensive posts,the reply I posted was to Jae Swift, and not a platform for a WINDBAG LIKE YOU.:rolleyes::p:not_ripe:

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Must apologize for the 'non' deliberate mistake, it should read HYPOCRISY, before I get my 'but' kicked. My eyes are still a bit funny after chemotherapy.:o sorry.

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Because I'm the best! LOL.

I don't drink through the week either.

:rolleyes:

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You said something about getting hammered in the chat room on wednesday night. One would think you wouldnt be able to afford alcohol if you dont work and you dont sign on JSA? Are you a busker?! (sp)

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It wasn't eant to be offensive, it was a thought as to why you say you judge people on the company they keep, yet you like 'gang' members like jae swift who have no job and stand around on street corners all the time.

I never said I didn't like you, I never said anything other than it seemed a bit hypocritical. Who cares if I didn't spell the word correctly? Its a comment on a forum, I'm not writing a novel. Seemed just like thats the only come back you could think of. I thought I was quite polite by wording it like that, regardless of the spelling, rather than just blatantly calling you a hypocrit, and I didn't write that comment with any malice, in fact I was saying I like older people, so my good intention should be overruling the minor evil of calling you INDIRECTLY a hypocrit.

Jesus, anything to cause a rift.

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Well I know alot of people whose parents seem to think their children are angelic little angels, particularly in regards to smoking, drugs and alcohol when at school, so yeh, i'm quite positive that many grandparents would also think the same as their children. Young people are full of deceit, regardless of how angelic they may seem.

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you mad cos jae has friends?

ya seem to be singling him out quite abit.....?

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Your'e 18 aren't you :rolleyes: Does that make you a young person ? :D

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our younger kids wont really know any different
i want my child to have a better chance at a good future
lol that sound soooooooooooo
corny or something

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Oh so do I, Blazey. Parents of that mind set are one of Society's problems. You should consider, however, that not all parents are naive and it really isn't so difficult for responsible parents/grandparents to uncover evidence of the three examples you give.

Thank you for the insight into the general character of Youth. You won't appreciate my saying so but, believe it or not, as well as being a parent and a grandparent I have also been a young person; triple the experience, I think. ;)

An acquaintance of mine, on another forum, is a lecturer at an American college. His signature says, "I am not young enough to know everything". He has a good point.

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I like that quote too WestEnder. ;)

What an appalling generalisation about young people Blazey. You really do have such a poor opinion of the youth of today that I can't help but wonder what circles you move in.

(BTW 'hypocrite' has an 'e' on the end):hidewall:

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I thought the chat room was for people to have private conversations!!! Out of order bringing it onto the main forum.

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I've used it on another site Willow, it's a good one,I think it was an Oscar Wild quip. Yes I posted an ammendment I'm looking for it now,I had Chemo last Wednesday and affects my vision badly,that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it:D, must admit It makes you a 'proper Charlie' when you are correcting another poster.:o:D:p

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Two people join a forum, let's call them Blazey and Jae.

They both make an impression, in what they say, and how they say it, as well as how they act.



Two people go for a job interview, let's call them Blazey and Jae.

They both make an impression, in what they say, and how they say it, as well as how they act.

Jae you start Monday.:D

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Social skills aren't learnt from books

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Can we get back on-topic now about the school leaving age?

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Unless it's from balancing books on your head as you walk:rolleyes:

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I doubt I'd go for a job at mcdonalds, so he can have the job :D