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She didn't choose to call the bear Mohammed. She asked the children what they wanted to call it. Several names were suggested. One boy in the class, whose name is Mohammed wanted to call it after himself. She let the children vote and choose from the suggested names. 20 of the 23 children, including MUSLIM children brought up by MUSLIM parents voted for the name Mohammed. Obviously their parents hadn't taught them that it was an insult to Islam and they are not visitors to the country. They are the indiginous inhabitants. Even flippin Muslims here have said it isn't an insult, even a hardline Muslim spokesman said to name a thing of endearment such as a teddy bear after the prophet is not an insult.
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Just because we don't all wear religion like a badge doesn't mean that we don't live christian lives. I am not aware that you need to be in a church to pray.....and can it be acceptable for any religion to call for the life of a person for such a thing. Muslims in this country believe that the treatment being meted out to this woman is wrong. These people have taken almost 3 months to be offended by the action of this woman....and it was the children who named the bear....these are muslim children, so surely if the teacher was unaware of the fact that this was wrong, surely the children, who are indoctrinated in this faith from birth would know that it was wrong. |
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Sorry Willow, you got there before me.
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Abu Hamza was allowed to preach all kinds of insults outside the Finsbury Park mosque without any harm coming to him........Donal, perhaps we should rise up against him and ask that he be shot too. But no, in this country we tolerate all shades of opinion - religious and otherwise......tolerance, isn't that a christian principle?
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we used to hang draw and quarter people maybe we should bring it back for people like abu hamza
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I think we should remember its less than 200 yrs since they hung a Monkey on an English street thinking it was a Frenchman ,and we had supposedly gone thru the 'enlightenment'. :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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wots that got to do with this thread? yorks v lancs? don't get it
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Now you have gone over board."THE BRITISH ARE NOTHING LIKE THE SUDANESE(if that is spelt wrong tough)WE ARE civillized compared to the islamic protaganists over there
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of course we are more civilised NO DEATH PENALTY No1 EQUAL RIGHTS No2 DO I HAVE TO GO ON?
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sorry forget "FREEDOM OF SPEECH" something your coloured friends seem to think is a GOD given right to them in this country
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If the sudanese children named the bear, why should the teacher be imprisoned, flogged or executed? Ok, if they want to punish her, I will agree to that, IF the children get exactly the same treatment.
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just curious have either Bob Geldorf or Bono made any kind of plea for this woman , just wondering since they seem to be the most vocal when it comes to stamping their feet and jumping up and down for the dis-enfranchised in Africa :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Margaret! Off to the gallows with you young lady! lol
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I wouldn't stop at withdrawing the aid, (and not just for sudan), but that's another tale, and would get me in trouble!
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Ironic really that moderate British muslims have shown more steel in denouncing the whole shameful episode that our own hapless, gutless government. The Muslim Council of Britain said they were "appalled" at the "disgraceful decision" to convict, whereas Mr Bean...sorry, Mr Brown merely expressed "surprise" and "disappointment". Can you imagine this increasingly discredited bunch withdrawing even one penny of the millions of pounds of aid we currently donate to Sudan?
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Islam is the youngest of the Abrahamic religions. Without going to google, I think that Mohamed died around 630 AD. It is the only one that has a "real" history. I can think of few, actually only one, referrence to the historical Jesus. I just had the thought that if one places Christianity at, say, 30AD and Islam at 600 AD we have a religion about 600 years younger .... I know, brilliant math ... If one subtracts ... here's where the math gets difficult ... 600 from 2007 one gets, let me see, 1407 AD. So perhaps, instead of comparing muslims to modern (often uninterested) Christians, we should compare them to Christians of 1400 .... quite a different crew!
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apprently the 2 envoys have a meeting with the president in the morning, should be interesting.
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So Ms Gibbons has been pardoned and is now in the British Embassy preparing to come home. If a pardon can be granted so easily it says a great deal about the original (trumped up) charge.
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I think we should spare a moment or two to thank Baroness Warsi and Lord Ahmed who went over there to plead on her behalf with the Sudanese President. Perhaps it finally got through to them how ludicrously out of proportion the whole thing had become when they were told so by fellow Muslims.
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wonder what the 2 peers thought when the "STUPID" woman said she wanted to remain in Sudan and continue teaching.:eek: she's NOT wired up right.:rolleyes:
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I think what she actually said was that she wished she could stay there and go back to work. Of course she can't.
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From what I can see of the Sudan, how would anyone, even after a short uneventful visit, want to go back to the place. Maybe it is not the a**hole of the world, but you can sure as hell smell it from there.
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This whole business has raised one point for me...over the last few days, as we've witnessed demonstrations in the streets of Khartoum, we've been told that it's all because the Sudanese despise the British. That being the case, why does the government insist on giving away millions and millions of pounds of our hard-earned money to this country? Perhaps Greg Pope could come on here and explain...but I won't hold my breath. :rolleyes:
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Yes well that president bod didn't look like he was short of a bob or two on the news.
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mylad came home from schooll today and said he they had all wrote a story about a teddy bear, my boy called it after himself..... what about mohammed?? bet his teacher is sh**ting herself!
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When the tabloids can get to her I bet she won't be naive enough to tell all for zero reward
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[quote=emamum23;500400]mylad came home from schooll today and said he they had all wrote a story about a teddy bear, my boy called it after himself..... what about mohammed?? (there is one in his class) womder what he called his bear? bet his teacher is sh**ting herself![/qu
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If someone has an insatiable desire to work in the third world, there is always Yorkshire, or parts of darkest Ossy.
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I have just finished reading Gibbons' comments as she arrived in Heathrow. I can't believe that anyone so thick would be allowed out on her own. I realize that Liverpudlians are not the sharpest knives in the drawer ... but this woman!!! I don't think she could figure out how to pour water out of a boot, even if the instructions were written on the sole. She actually said that the people were "kind and generous." Kind enough to demonstrate in favour of her execution! Generous enough to give her free room and board in one of their 5-Star prisons!
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You are generalising there Eric, just as she did. Just because some people demonstrated and demanded her execution it doesn't mean that was what everyone in the Sudan wanted. There were some who spoke out on her behalf and some who had contacted the school in support of her before the rentamob crowd started baying for blood. She met kind and generous people. Just because everyone she met was kind and generous that doesn't mean that all Sudanese are the same.
I had to smile at one of the TV presenters when reporting the claim that this was all a part of a western plot to undermine Islam. "Not a very good plot was it? Teddy bear naming." |
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Yep, even the Sudanese ambassador in London said it was all a storm in a teacup which would quickly be resolved - but that was before she was formally charged.
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