A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Unless a new law has passed me by in my dotage I always thought that no one under the age of 18 could legally buy alcohol.

So how come that Asda at Grimshaw Park in Blackburn has a notice at each checkout that states in effect the purchaser of alcohol has to be over 21 years of age and they always check?

I don’t recall an Asda political party or that Asda can now make laws as they see fit.

I appreciate that in their way Asda is doing its bit to help to curtail teenage drinking but they, just like the rest of us have to abide by the law of the land.

I also appreciate that a vendor is under no obligation to sell his wares if the vendor chooses not to do so. But once a customer has indicated that he wants to buy an item and has offered the money to complete the sale, the vendor must then complete the transaction.

Or has that changed too?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

does seem a strange one that.:confused:

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Yes, the customer does not have 'right to buy' untill the vendor has ACCEPTED the money. Up to that point it is termed "Invitation to treat". The vendor can pull out at any point untill money has actually changed hands and a receipt given. Even then, if the sale can be shown to be an error of such magnitude that the customer would have known to be erroneous then teh retailer can still pull out.

As for the 21 thing. it is not law that you have to sell to 18YO's only that the minimum age that you can sell to is 18. its a bit like your usual argument of speed limits, they are a boundary not a compulsory value. in speed case anything lower than 30 is OK. in Alcohol anyting over 18 is OK. the choice of you travelling at 22mph is just like ASDA selling to >21's. I guess this is due to them proabbly being fined at some point for selling to under age so they move their goalposts to make sure that staff don't make the same mistake

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Those notices wind me up. Never once have they asked me for id :(

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

that sounds probable willow.:confused:

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Is that because you had a hard paper round mate?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Its very simple JB lad. The wont sell to anyone who looks under 21 so as to cover themselves in a way.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

As usual, Jambutty has it wrong. As with all supermarkets, off-licenses and many pubs, notices say that if you do not look 21, then you will not be served alcohol or fags unless you can prove your age is 18 or greater. The wording may be different on each notice but the intention is simply to decrease the risk of prosecution for selling to underage kids.

I wonder if the Darwen ASDA has opticians on the premises? If so, maybe Jambutty would care to pay them a visit next time he is in the store.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

If this is true then a boycotting of Asda will ensue. It's certainly not Asda policy in Hull however, as I bought some last night. :]

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

You know entwisi it would be ever so nice if you read what was actually written before commenting on what you THINK was written. Oh! Hang on! I forgot you are a tech god so you know everything.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

There is no mention of 18 years of age on the Asda checkout notices WillowTheWhisp. If there had been I would have mentioned it. Do try and keep up to reality.

You have bad habit there Aleks – talking to someone who doesn’t exist. There is no JB registered as a member of this forum. Not even a JB lad. You don’t happen to have a large grey rabbit sitting next to you whilst you watch TV by any chance do you? I suppose that you have to pity the mentally afflicted but they shouldn’t be let out without supervision.

Ah! Good old Tealeaf has crawled out from under his stone with some pearls of wisdom. I was expecting supercilious comments from ‘know it all tech god’ entwisi and ‘opinion about everything’ WillowTheWhisp and ‘talking to imaginary people’ Aleks plus a few others but I forgot about you.

I don’t care about what notices are posted in pubs, off-licences and other supermarkets Tealeaf. My comment was about Asda at Grimshaw Park, Blackburn and far from being wrong was spot on. Not Asda in Hull Cyfr or any other Asda. It was written clear enough for all to see. Not only do you need glasses Tealeaf but a functioning brain as well.

Oh! By the way Tealeaf! Would you be so kind as to lead me to the Asda supermarket in Darwen? I’ve searched the length and breadth of Darwen and I can’t find it. Could it possibly be because there isn’t an Asda supermarket in Darwen. So now who got it totally wrong?

Have you ever considered engaging your brain – that’s the wobbly grey matter between your ears – before spouting off? It would be a first if you did.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Now – whom shall I select for some negative Karma for being such a pratt? Nah! I can’t be bothered. I know! Why don't you all take a leaf (a Tealeaf?) out of Aleks’ book and imagine you all got some negative Karma.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

it does say that on the signe my son went to buy beer he is 18 they asked him for id then served him no problem my son asked why does the signe say 21 they said it stops anyone trying and arguing that they are old enough that was the reason givin by the girl on checkout

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

These signs are popping up all over the place and yes they may well be written slightly different on each one but the idea is the same.

If you don't look 21 then you won't be served unless having ID to prove you are 18+

I see no issue with it as it protects the vendor and the customer is pre-warned so may avoid embarressment

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

He still won't agree with you. If you stood the sign up his **** he would still argue about it.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

I have International ID ... it's called gray hair ... fortunately I have lots of it, mostly on my head.:eek:

In Ontario, at the liquor and beer outlets, they ID anyone who looks under 25! Of course, Ontario has the most archaic liquor laws in the free world. Which means we have lots of bootleggers:D and they don't check for ID.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

There are shops here that won't serve people who don't look twenty five without ID. The off licence near the Oakleigh is one of them.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

In my defence I was merely giving further information to say that if this rule is in Blackburn, its not in Hull, so its not a national thing. :)

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

As one eloquent Scottish judge was heard to declare when passing judgement on a case involving toll fees, “A sign should state what it means, and mean what it states.”

I don’t care what signs there are in the rest of the world, the ones at Asda at Grimshaw Park in Blackburn state nothing about having to prove you are over 18 before being able to buy booze.

I can’t quote the sign verbatim but the message is quite clear. If you can’t prove you are over 21 you cannot buy booze.

Go and see for yourself.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Entwisti was right actually, asda was actually one of the first companies to stop selling tobacco to under 18's before the law was actually finalised, at least in my local asda anyway, and has the ability to do the same with alcohol even if it isn't actually written in law that thats policy. Policy doesn't have to be formally written in law, thats why its policy.
Also his explanation of the law is spot on aswell and the way he explains it with the example of the speed limit is good aswell.

If ASDA dont want to sell you something they dont have to, and that stands for any product whether its got age restrictions or not. Different stores might have different policies on it and sell to over 18's or just over 21's, but both are legal and it is not making their own laws, it comes under the law of contract.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Scottish law is different than English law...

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

From Asda's press centre:


ASDA and Responsible Retailing

All ASDA stores in the UK (apart from those undertaking the trial) have a strict policy of only serving customers who look over 21, and refusing to serve anyone who is already under the influence of alcohol.

Seems Jambutty's a little slow off the mark (must be his age). The press release is dated April 2007. Asda Press Centre

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

its not just asda alot of places have now put the age up its the same with cigarettes now have to be eightteen

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Dosn't matter what the law says or what restrictions shops supermarkets etc put in place those not meant to have the products always will find a way. There are some who buy it for those not old enough and despite the possibility of being arrested themselves. No matter what happens they will always be a way to get it.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Oh dear. So there is no Asda in Darwen! And there was I, being nice and kind to 'ol Jambutty, suggesting he goes to his local Asda rather than the one in Blackburn, and what do I get for my honest mistake? A wild and totally undeserved tirade. Mind you, I suspect the reason there is no Asda store in this town is the Asda bosses took one look at the typical Darwen customer profile and decided to give it a big miss. After all, would you want some grumpy git blocking the checkout counters with rants about the law and insulting all and sundry staff and customers? No, it would'nt be worth the hassle.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Nice rant, only one problem. The stuff I posted was correct factual information. So no matter what YOU believe what I said was accurate, factual and more importantly TO THE POINT. YOu started ranting in an ill informed position and once again go off on one when someone sets you straight.

If you were only so not hung up on a simple tag line. I also see it doesn't get in YOUR way when YOU ask for help and I offer it(see many requests for technical help).

Perhaps as a Tech God I'm expected to be a spotty 15 YO in a room full of computers with no life away from binary. Well, get this, I'm not.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Its JBs way or the highway as always ian

Are you not? always had that sort of image of you lol

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

As a newcomer, I havn't seen aggressive behaviour untill now, and I feel that, originally, a question was asked, people answered, rightly or wrongly, and as an opinion, it matters and is that persons opinion, but to then be castigated in such a manner seems at least extreme, I am in agreement JB that you may not agree with the REQUESTED responses, but do feel, especially at this time of year, that a more pleasant response would have been appropriate, there is usually no call for personal attack. Oh, this is just an opinion too, but I feel some will agree and some will not, THAT, is thier god given right!

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Because its nearly christmas?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

dont worry mate ya aint seen nothing yet:rofl38: whilst agreeing with you,this is just a minor spat.;)

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

He is just a grumpy old man
I have been known to be a grumpy old woman at times :D

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

think she may mean me as well.:p

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

NEVER........ always found you CHARMING :D

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Don't bother!! save your fuel and go to the Off License on Willows Lane :D
They have one of these posters. When I asked about the 21 thingy, they said ' you have to look over 21, or we will ask for I.D '
If I had read the sign before opening my gob, it does state it on the sign lol.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

I don’t recall saying that the Scottish judge was referring to Scottish law or was even passing his judgment in Scotland.

As one eloquent Scottish judge was heard to declare when passing judgement on a case involving toll fees, “A sign should state what it means, and mean what it states.”

Nope! There is nothing there to suggest where the comment was made.

But as usual the self-opinionated don’t read what has been written much less understand and then jump to conclusions.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Clutching at straws JB? Seems not many people share your view point so whats the next boring topic from you?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Dear Mr. Butty,

Please arrange the following words into a well-known phrase or proverb: black the pot the kettle calling

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

You mean that there you were trying to be sarcastically clever and it backfired on you, made you look a right chump and now you are trying to wriggle out of it. Go and get some lessons from Teflon Tony. He wouldn’t have looked out of place in a tin of maggots.

Wrong again Tealeaf (isn’t that slang for something?) I am a typical BLACKBURN cantankerous old git. My residence in Darwen is accidental - when a thieving piece of **!!** watched the ambulance take me away during the early hours, went round the back of my now empty house and broke in. When my son and daughter discovered what had happened later that same day they decided that this 7th burglary was one too many and moved all my stuff to my son’s house which happened to be in Darwen.

Anything else that you want to slag me off for?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Then why dont you refer to him by his name then dear instead of 'Scottish judge'.

You are actually the most annoying person I've seen on this forum to date. You never say anything nice, its always just ranting at someone, and you're arguments for things are always so direct towards individuals on the forum that your ideas aren't even worth reading.

If you're not referring to Scottish law, you need to learn about the english law regarding advertisements, and Entwisti gave you a perfect example of the english law regarding advertisements, so why don't YOU shut up and understand what people are saying to YOU, instead of assuming they are wrong and you are right all of the time.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Much obliged for your contribution.

However the law is quite clear – the age for buying booze is 18 or over and for Asda to declare that Asda will not sell booze to anyone who looks under 21, not withstanding the trading laws, is illegal.

Not slow off the mark yerself it’s just that I have been aware of the notice shortly after it came on display. But being over 21 myself it was of no concern to me.

I took notice when the other day a young man, after producing his driving license and passport, was still refused the sale of a bottle of scotch for his granddad’s birthday because he looked under 21.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Having to be 18 before you can buy cigarettes is by an act of Parliament not the dictat of some CEO of a supermarket.

All you drinkers should realise that this 21 thing is just a backdoor attempt to raise the drinking age. It is only a matter of time before Parliament passes an act to that effect. And when the objections come rolling in they will glibly state, “well that’s the way it has been unofficially for xxxxx years. We just made it official."

But I don’t care. I don’t use alcohol.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

So because other people are too blind to condemn Asda I have to follow suit do I? I must have missed your election to be the dictator of the UK.

Remember the story of the king’s new clothes? Well I’m like the little boy and I don’t follow others blindly.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Just because in many cases my opinion differs to the majority I am told that I am wrong.

The problem with some correspondents on this forum is that they like to dish it out but cannot take the return. In any case respect is earned not given as a right.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Would you like the list?

If its no concern then shut the f**k up then you boring old twit.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

No! Just pointing out the FACTS. You do know what FACTS are I suppose. Judging from some of your contributions FACTS are alien to you. But then it takes all sorts. Why bother letting reality prevent you from having a childish poke.

If you find my posts so boring why are you reading them and then to compound your foolishness, commenting on them?

To be scrupulously fair though you did have the guts to sign your negative Karma. Not like one person who had nothing to say and no Karma to award me some negative Karma. :rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:What a jerk!

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

That you do sir, and was never in question, I question only the manner in which it was done, and since then, certain members have responded in like fashion, that also, I find questionable!

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Congratulations, this has just been nominated for 'ironic post of the year' :rofl38::rofl38:

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Because I cannot remember his name. Satisfied?

But you still read what I write and pass comment. So who is the fool?

When you are big enough, old enough and ugly enough you can tell me to shut up. Until that day just go away and pick up your dummy that you have spit out and stick it back in your gob.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Is that the best you can do? always the same isnt it JB.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

why start off a thread when all your intrested in is an argument jam butty. you have been advised why the sign in asda was in place yet you still find something to disagree with when other accy webbers try and give their opinions, after all this is what this forum is about

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

He's a stubborn old twit who likes to be seen as better than the rest of us.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

I assume that you did read the opening post or have you, like many others, just jumped in to join the vigilantes?

In case it escaped your notice the thread was to point out the illegality of Asda decreeing that they would not sell alcohol to anyone who appears to be under 21.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

In case it escaped your notice, Mr. Butty, it's not illegal. Asda ,or any other retailer for that matter, can pick and choose who they would like to sell any product to.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

I would just like to say thank you to the torag who rang me a few minutes ago with the intent of having an argument. He refused to identify himself when I asked who he was so he was told to go away in the traditional Anglo Saxon way.

This must have made him really livid because after a few seconds he rang back but I didn’t pick up and he finally gave up when, I presume, he couldn’t hold the phone receiver to his ear any longer. What a sad dork!

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

I thought that trolling was against the rules.
Is it not time that jambutty was banned?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

i dont think that would be fair would it?:confused:

I would make a rubbish mod:p

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

The first word seemed OK to me. I think either description fits the bill.

From Wikipedia:

Sometimes, flamers attempt to assert their authority, or establish a position of superiority over other users. Other times, a flamer is simply an individual who believes he or she carries the only valid opinion. This leads him or her to personally attack those who disagree. Occasionally, flamers wish to upset and offend other members of the forum, in which case they can be called "trolls".

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

I don't think it would be fair either, we all have opinions, I know you do, the difference I think is just in the way they are expressed, and the way in which they are responded to.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Id invest in that lol

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

You missed by reply in your continuing rants

But just in case you still haven't got the message.

IT IS NOT ILLEGAL FOR ASDA TO DECIDE TO SELL TO UNDER 21's. IT IS TOTALLY UP TO THEM WHO THEY SELL TO.


so time to shut up and get back to being a miserable old koot again

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

An excerpt from a post by Jambutty in the 'Introduce Yourself' thread.


Even at 70 I still ask questions if I don’t know something.


:D:D:D

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

You forgot:

:p

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Sign that you have lost when all you can put as a response is that someone didn't use your full title.


Give it up now

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

You're even repeating yourself now!

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

:D I know. Everywhere I know that sells alcohol has a "Challenge 21" poster. I even tried to explain to Jambutty that it would probably have been a "Challenge 21" poster but he seems to think that the Grimshaw Park ASDA has some sort of ruling of their own so I would just love to see it for myself to prove that it is nothing of the sort and simply the same as everyone else's.

No, it is not illegal. ASDA is perfectly within it's rights to refuse to sell alcohol (or anything else for that matter) to anyone they wish to refuse to sell it to. Their reason for avoiding selling alcohol to some people is to avoid prosecution for selling to someone under the legal age of 18. The law is that they MUST NOT sell alcohol to people under 18. The law is not that they MUST sell alcohol to people over the age of 18. What you have done is use false logic to draw an erroneous conclusion.

However, that is merely a tangent. You are missing the whole point. You have presumably not read my previous reference to the "challenge 21" scheme which is not limited to one ASDA store but is a national scheme whereby ANYONE who looks under 21 is advised that they will be challenged to prove that they are OVER 18 - please note that OVER 18, not over 21 - before they can buy alcohol.

If someone did produce ID to prove that he was over 18 and then was refused he would certainly have cause to grumble but this is something you have now brought up as an aside after you have been shown to have lost your original argument. There was a case in the paper where a woman was refused because she looked under 21 and still refused even when her adult daughter proved that SHE was over 18! That just proved that a member of staff at the store in question was being plain silly, not that the store itself had an illegal policy.

:D I really must see these posters in your ASDA - or did it possibly escape your notice that the number 18 appears on those posters?


Are we really expected to believe that an AccyWebber would go to all the trouble of ringing you up to argue with you about this? :rofl38:

Thanks Jambutty, for such an entertaining thread. Best laugh I've had all week.


P.S. Please look at the attached images, read all of the text, take time to inwardly digest it and then have a think about it and you might just be able to understand what people have been trying to tell you. :rolleyes:

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Dont think he likes being called JB. What about boring ******?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

I’ve already acknowledged (in the opening post no less) that a vendor can sell to whom he likes within the law. But hey what does that matter when you want to take a poke at me.

However discrimination on the basis of age is also against the law. And any presentable 18 year old plus, if refused to be served alcohol, would have a good case for Trading Standards to investigate.

And I’ll bet that the European Court of Human Rights would have a field day.

And now you are so wound up and intent on pushing your own view forward you can’t even say what you obviously mean.

IT IS NOT ILLEGAL FOR ASDA TO DECIDE NOT TO SELL TO UNDER 21's.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

does any of this really matter?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Seems folks Jambutty Esquire is right even when wrong! So no point wasting your fingertips on it.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Yes I saw them and dismissed them as totally irrelevant.

Which one of those was posted at the checkout in the Grimshaw Park Blackburn Asda? None of them.

If your are going to try and make a point it would be helpful if you did so with the correct data.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Irrational argument is a sign of senile dementia
We all need to think 'Will I be like that some day?'

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Oh god I hope so Margaret. lol Very entertaining! Doesn't seem much relevence to it now, I think willow may check it out though, I haven't witnessed willow so riled in my short time here!

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Are you going to buy anything when you go willow? I am reasonably sure you may go.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

:D You haven't witnessed me riled at all. I find this thread totally hilarious. But I'm determined to check out these posters now. I've just got to see them for myself. No doubt if I photograph one and they turn out to be exactly as I have been saying then Jambutty will claim they have changed the posters since he was there.


Hey come on folks, fess up. Who phoned Jammy to argue with him about this?

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

i still think jambutty is wrong, as for the "accywebber" that rang him, he never said that, he said the torag. (see i can do it too.):rofl38::rofl38:

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Shouldn't it be 'toe-rag' - I don't want to be pedantic but everyone else seems to be doing it and I didn't want to be left out. :D

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Drat! Drat and double Drat!

I’ve been rumbled!

Rushes off to bedroom to remove tenners from under the mattress and hides them somewhere else.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

[quote=[FONT=Arial Black]WillowTheWhisp[/FONT];499851]:D You haven't witnessed me riled at all. I find this thread totally hilarious. But I'm determined to check out these posters now. I've just got to see them for myself. No doubt if I photograph one and they turn out to be exactly as I have been saying then Jambutty will claim they have changed the posters since he was there.

In that case willow, remind me to stay on the right side of you please, I wouldn't like to be there when erm! your undergarments have knots in! lol

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Willows a pussycat Derek, ya just aint met her.:);)

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Cheers cashman, I will try to remember that, and will be quick to stand you in the middle should you be wrong. lol

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Pardon me but just exactly where did I mention posters?

I stated a notice at each checkout.

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

Hahahahaha! Round 2 ding ding!

Re: A Law Unto Themselves?
 

You know Gayle you are right it is spelled toe-rag according to the Dictionary of Slang and I’m not prepared to challenge it.
Noun. A contemptible or worthless person. From the cloth that was worn around one's feet as a sock, usually by vagrants. [Mid 1800s]

All these years I’ve been labouring under a misapprehension.