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Bonnyboy 26-12-2007 21:55
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Where should the line be drawn on the keeping of wild animals ? Should they be caged at all and put on display for our viewing pleasure ( it seems rather Victorian or summat to me ) What’s your differentiation between Wild, Exotic or domestic animals ? At what stage does an animal become a pet ?

Speedy 26-12-2007 21:58
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Saw this story on the news earlier. What i cant understand is why the animal had to be shot, surely a tranquiliser would have been enough? And i dont believe animals should be kept in cages ever.

Bonnyboy 26-12-2007 22:23
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 508047)
Saw this story on the news earlier. What i cant understand is why the animal had to be shot, surely a tranquiliser would have been enough? And i dont believe animals should be kept in cages ever.
I'm guessing a tranquiliser would have taken several minutes to take effect, seeing as it was either gnawing on it's victim or heading towards the cops ( it was doing one of the two ) I would say the bullet was the only option at that time. Don't believe in caging animals myself, having said that I keep a budgie, his door is open all day. Just wondering where AccyWebbers would draw their line.

WillowTheWhisp 26-12-2007 22:26
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I don't believe exotic animals should be kept as pets or in confines spaces in zoos, but if it's safari parks and they are endangered species which may otherwise die out in the wild I think there can be a case for human intervention, but people should treat them with respect and realise they are wild animals and not pussy cats.

Bonnyboy 26-12-2007 22:36
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Wild, Exotic, Domestic...where is the differentiation, thats what I am asking, where is the line drawn on each catagory :)

WillowTheWhisp 26-12-2007 22:37
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Well tigers are certainly not domestic pets.

steeljack 26-12-2007 22:54
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 508047)
Saw this story on the news earlier. What i cant understand is why the animal had to be shot, surely a tranquiliser would have been enough? And i dont believe animals should be kept in cages ever.
It had to be shot because it had killed one person and two others are still in San Francisco General being sewn back up , its also well to note the same animal one year ago this week chewed the arm off a zoo employee .
At the present time I dont think officers of the SFPD carry tranquillizer guns , just magnums and tasers (ok for a rowdy drunk , but I think unadvisable for a man-eating tiger ....
....seems to be a bit more to the story , items coming out in dribs and drabs , one thing being investigated is wether the youths involved were teasing/tempting the animal with scraps of food (the incident happened near the food stall area) also in question is how the cage got open ( zoo employees have stated that opening the cages/feeding only happens out of park opening hours, )
Interesting to note , the Zoo has been recieving calls from 'herbalists' in the local Chinese community asking if the animal carcass will be for sale , seems many tiger parts (including the penis) are highly valued as traditional medicines
;) ;)

Bonnyboy 26-12-2007 22:54
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 508066)
Well tigers are certainly not domestic pets.
Well, ok. In that case do you consider them to be Wild or Exotic ? Are tigers exotic, warthogs wild ? Pumas exotic, hyenas wild ? Maybe it's a mindset thing eg. I consider snakes to be wild, mainly because I dont like them

kathleen_firth 26-12-2007 22:56
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i would say safari parks are much more suitable for there lifestyle i fink its cruel avin them as pets

BERNADETTE 26-12-2007 23:00
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 508047)
Saw this story on the news earlier. What i cant understand is why the animal had to be shot, surely a tranquiliser would have been enough? And i dont believe animals should be kept in cages ever.
As Steeljack has said this tiger had killed before, there is more to this story that wiil undoubtably come out as time goes on. Got to agree Speedy wild animals shouldn't be kept in cages

Bonnyboy 26-12-2007 23:05
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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 508070)
It had to be shot because it had killed one person and two others are still in San Francisco General being sewn back up , its also well to note the same animal one year ago this week chewed the arm off a zoo employee .
At the present time I dont think officers of the SFPD carry tranquillizer guns , just magnums and tasers (ok for a rowdy drunk , but I think unadvisable for a man-eating tiger ....
....seems to be a bit more to the story , items coming out in dribs and drabs , one thing being investigated is wether the youths involved were teasing/tempting the animal with scraps of food (the incident happened near the food stall area) also in question is how the cage got open ( zoo employees have stated that opening the cages/feeding only happens out of park opening hours, )
Interesting to note , the Zoo has been recieving calls from 'herbalists' in the local Chinese community asking if the animal carcass will be for sale , seems many tiger parts (including the penis) are highly valued as traditional medicines
;) ;)
If it turns out that there were idiots antagonising the beast they certainly got a response to their provocation. Having said that, they should not have been doing so. They should have been protected by the zoo, it is a public place. Bet there will be some Mega compensation paid out

Bonnyboy 26-12-2007 23:09
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 508074)
As Steeljack has said this tiger had killed before, there is more to this story that wiil undoubtably come out as time goes on. Got to agree Speedy wild animals shouldn't be kept in cages
I agree about the "wild animals should't be kept in cages" statement think most of us are. Whats the definintion of Wild as oppsed to Exotic. Are not all animals wild.

BERNADETTE 26-12-2007 23:16
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 508078)
I agree about the "wild animals should't be kept in cages" statement think most of us are. Whats the definintion of Wild as oppsed to Exotic. Are not all animals wild.
Should imagine that exotic creatures are also wild. Will stand corrected if that statement is wrong. But from the little bit I saw on the news tonight all the security was in place to protect people, it seems that security has been breached.

Bonnyboy 26-12-2007 23:26
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 508081)
Should imagine that exotic creatures are also wild. Will stand corrected if that statement is wrong. But from the little bit I saw on the news tonight all the security was in place to protect people, it seems that security has been breached.
I wasn’t really referring to this particular incident in the news at the moment ( although it did prompt the thread ) Dunno what their security arrangements were in this instance, obviously not up to scratch tho. Just thought I’d pose a question ‘cause it seemed a tad quiet on site :)

BERNADETTE 27-12-2007 00:24
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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 508084)
I wasn’t really referring to this particular incident in the news at the moment ( although it did prompt the thread ) Dunno what their security arrangements were in this instance, obviously not up to scratch tho. Just thought I’d pose a question ‘cause it seemed a tad quiet on site :)
Know you wern't but it seems there was plenty of security after last incident but that was breached. As for initial question just let all exotic/dangerous creatures live in their own habitat.:(

Speedy 27-12-2007 01:15
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To be fair tigers are not and never have been regarded as safe to be around, isnt it basic animal instincts to defend your territory? Especially if provoked, i think its unfair that the blame is being placed on the tiger, any animal or person for that matter would have reacted in a similar way.

cashman 27-12-2007 09:51
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tigers n the like should not be in cages, saying that,they are n its escaped through whatever reason negligence? possibly, the cops though had no alternative but to shoot it.

Neil 27-12-2007 16:01
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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 508070)
At the present time I dont think officers of the SFPD carry tranquillizer guns , just magnums and tasers (ok for a rowdy drunk , but I think unadvisable for a man-eating tiger
I think it would be interesting to see what a taser did to a tiger.

The real reason it had to be shot was because Yanks like shooting things. After all how many SFPD cops can tell their mates how they hunted and shot a tiger? :rolleyes::D

panther 27-12-2007 17:14
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its now stating that the tiger might have been let out on purpose, they say she would have had to leap out to get out and enclosure surrounded by an 18ft wall and a 20ft moat is impossible!
the poor tiger should not have been shot dead, like someone on here said they should have used a tranquilizer, the tiger was only doing what any other tiger would do....hunt!!

steeljack 27-12-2007 17:44
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Originally Posted by panther (Post 508245)
the poor tiger should not have been shot dead, like someone on here said they should have used a tranquilizer, the tiger was only doing what any other tiger would do....hunt!!
yep the tiger was following its instincts , which is to hunt and devour its prey , and that is exactly what it was doing , local reports say the young lad which died had been dragged back to near the enclosure and the tiger was eating the corpse ......you think it should have been allowed to finish him off and then return the leftovers to the family , maybe you think it would be a good idea to have tranquillizer guns available in "break the glass" boxes all around the zoo for easy access in case of emergency ? ...good idea , think not considering the place is a popular hang-out for teenagers . :confused: :confused:

Eric 27-12-2007 20:55
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I think we all know what wild animals are ... I've seen a Moose with a young calf, she was wild, and a hungry grizz in spring, and he was super pi**ed at life in general. But "exotic" is a little more complex. I think it is a functional term rather than an ontological one. Also it is related to how much money you wish to pay for an animal. If it costs a lot it is exoctic. If it turns up on your doorstep looking lost and hungry it is a stray.

blazey 27-12-2007 23:38
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Wild animals are those that in general are only kept in national wildlife parks/safari parks, exotics are animals that are generally kept in zoo's/safaris too but with licenses (if possibly a danger to people or are possibly an endangered species) or without, you may be able to keep as a 'pet' in the loosest possible sense, domesticated are your typical 'pet shop' animal, such as hamsters, cats, dogs, some birds, rabbits etc.

The tiger shouldn't have been shot down dead, tigers are classed as an endangered species and it should have been incapacitated. San Francisco has a world famous zoo that surely could have provided tranquilizer guns to deal with the problem.

Its a tiger, not a pussy cat, and if an area has a zoo then its not a good enough excuse to say that its just not equipped with the necessary drugs and guns to incap it.
If someone keeps venomous snakes then they should be expected to keep the anti-venom on premises or it should at least be accessible locally just in case otherwise the animal shouldn't be allowed to be kept. Same goes for tranquilizers when there are animals like the tiger being kept in captivity.

As for animals being kept in cages, I believe its often necessary as some endangered animals, for example the great panda, need monitoring for sexual activity and behaviour patterns and to try and see why they aren't breeding and so on.

Also, zoo's help fund such projects, and without the money that they makes from visitors they wouldn't be able to do what they do.

panther 18-01-2008 12:41
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Drunk Tiger Victims 'Taunted Animal Before Mauling' |Sky News|World News

if thats the case then its thier own bloody fault!:rolleyes:

blazey 19-01-2008 13:29
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Tigers are kept in conservation to aid breeding and such. They might still end up dying out but zoo's prolong the process and its worth an attempt.

Its questionable whether its necessary to keep species' alive though in my opinion. The only real need is for our own entertainment. I cant imagine the world with suffer without tigers/pandas/rhinos/gorillas etc.

Speedy 19-01-2008 22:02
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By the sound of it the victims where asking for trouble.

Bonnyboy 19-01-2008 23:16
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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 519217)

Its questionable whether its necessary to keep species' alive though in my opinion. The only real need is for our own entertainment. I cant imagine the world with suffer without tigers/pandas/rhinos/gorillas etc.
Most of the species’ were probably here long before us, depending on how they evolved. They have as much right to be on the planet as we do and probably more right than some of the “throw backs” that walk our streets today. Are you suggesting that you are in favour of some form of genocide with animals ??? Which useless beings shall we move onto next, the aged, the disabled, mentally challenged people, students perhaps…enlighten me

cashman 19-01-2008 23:29
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Which useless beings shall we move onto next, the aged, the disabled, mentally challenged people, students perhaps…enlighten me
fat people at a guess,going off the track record.:D

Bonnyboy 19-01-2008 23:30
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fat people at a guess,going off the track record.:D
Oh aye ! I forgot about fat people :)

panther 20-01-2008 17:00
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well i suppose she asked for that one:rolleyes:


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