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Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 22:19

Women & Work

I will assume (idiot I know) that from lets say the late 60’s that it started to become more acceptable for women to go out to work. Independence for the ladies…excellent. Families become generally more prosperous…great.

Has this “new” lifestyle contributed to there being huge amounts of debt owed by many families. The “keep up with the Jones’ syndrome” type thing ?

Perhaps more importantly, has this contributed to the streets being full ,of what appears to be, more delinquents than ever before ?

garinda

06-01-2008 22:26

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I think you'll find that in this part of the industrialised world, that women have been going out to work since the 1860's.;)

cherokee

06-01-2008 22:31

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Perhaps more importantly, has this contributed to the streets being full ,of what appears to be, more delinquents than ever before ?

Think thats down to parents and police not being allowed to give a clip round the ear.

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 22:34

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 513676)

I think you'll find that in this part of the industrialised world, that women have been going out to work since the 1860's.;)

You are most likely correct, they would work out of necessity I expect, the questions I posed was a generalisation to say the least. Just wondered if the questions “held any water” as they say. :)

lancsdave

06-01-2008 22:34

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I think the general conscensus is that the delinquents on the streets are not there because their parents are working, it's more likely their parents are at home drunk out of their minds.

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 22:37

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Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 513681)

Think thats down to parents and police not being allowed to give a clip round the ear.

It's the parenting issue I was asking about, maybe there is nobody there to give them a clip around the ear, even if it was allowed.

garinda

06-01-2008 22:38

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Women from the ages of eight or nine have worked in the Lancashire mills for generations, and still found time to raise families who somehow managed to live within their meagre means.

Personally I blame Thatcher. Sadly in the eighties the psyche of the British changed forever. Sod helping your neighbour, it was all about me, me, me, and what I want, and to hell with the rest of you.

cashman

06-01-2008 22:40

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dont think that has contributed much to that, (debt i mean) think standards did decline somewhat in late 60s though, due to young folk (like me) having loads of dosh,n knowing it all, which seemed great at the time, but in retrospect:rolleyes: everythings much simpler with hindsight.;)

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 22:42

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 513686)

I think the general conscensus is that the delinquents on the streets are not there because their parents are working, it's more likely their parents are at home drunk out of their minds.

That's a larger generalisation than my initial one. Lots of our yobs come from what should be a good background. Nice house, couple of cars, house full of gadgets. But has mother been at home?

garinda

06-01-2008 22:43

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 513693)

But has mother been at home?

Mother yes, and perhaps the second step-father, or current partner.;)

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 22:43

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 513691)

Hindsight is great, must say I wish I had it :)

cherokee

06-01-2008 22:46

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 513688)

It's the parenting issue I was asking about, maybe there is nobody there to give them a clip around the ear, even if it was allowed.

Nah im with rindy here , women have worked for years and still managed to raise familes and keep their kids under control .
On this issue IMO its all down to the non parent doo gooders telling us how to raise our children and thinking they are better for it . (the children i mean)
Dont get me wrong i dont agree with lethering kiddies but it never hurt any of us to get a clout if we did wrong or even to get the cane at school. nowadays even the teachers darent say boo to em .

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 22:47

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 513695)

Mother yes, and perhaps the second step-father, or current partner.;)

The issue of divorce must have an effect ( I think that was what your point was) Divorce seemed to be a taboo topic in the early 60's now it is barely a talking point.

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 22:50

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Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 513699)

I agree, disciplne seems to have gone right out the window

cashman

06-01-2008 22:51

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though its a generalisation i think its more a case of= monkey see, monkey do,with kids, in many cases whatever happens at home when young,seems to be the norm.:(

garinda

06-01-2008 22:52

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 513700)

The issue of divorce must have an effect ( I think that was what your point was) Divorce seemed to be a taboo topic in the early 60's now it is barely a talking point.

No, my point was that all the ills of society today aren't down to women going out to work. Your argument holds no water. As the example shows, the majority of women around here have been going out to work for well over a hundred and fifty years. They didn't go into debt to have a better mangle than their neighbours, nor did their children go around terrorising their neighbourhoods.

cherokee

06-01-2008 22:55

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Well i was divorced and on my own with 3 little uns for 3 yrs and i had a job and a car (ok not my own home) but lived a decent lifestyle and i still managed to keep my kids from drugs,jail,and terrorising people.etc

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 23:03

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 513705)

I’m not suggesting that all the ills of today’s society are due to women going out to work, merely asking for feedback on the initial questions. The women around here may well have been going out to work for many years, I suspect so in many other areas too. The acceptability , generally, of the practice seems to be more recent and on a larger scale.

cashman

06-01-2008 23:04

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Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 513707)

that i would say validates my point.;)

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 23:07

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Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 513707)

Great to hear that, would seem that it's becoming ever harder to do as you have done. Just asking if women working added to the problem.

cashman

06-01-2008 23:14

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 513714)

Great to hear that, would seem that it's becoming ever harder to do as you have done. Just asking if women working added to the problem.

silly chap women are the problem.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Bonnyboy

06-01-2008 23:16

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 513715)

silly chap women are the problem.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

Hope that comment gets lost in the thread, the ladies might be after kickin yer arse :D

cashman

06-01-2008 23:18

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 513717)

Hope that comment gets lost in the thread, the ladies might be after kickin yer arse :D

am i bovvered???:D

cherokee

06-01-2008 23:21

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 513715)

silly chap women are the problem.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

OOOIIIII :eek::eek: Watch it!!!!!:p

keetah992000

07-01-2008 00:52

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MM i often wonder about this and would like to put some questions forward just to bounce about ....
The fact that both parents are expected to work and more often than not, have to work if they want to eat,means that more children are in childcare before the age of three.
I work in childcare and know that the children do not get away with "murder" as they say.
but.... i wonder if your child is childcare full time, then when your child is with you do they ever get away with things or get more treats than they normally would because you feel guilty for not having more time with them?
(and i dont think you should feel guilty but given the choice i'd bet many of you would give up your full time job in a jiffy if you could)

And as for deliquents on the streets- we all remember the dens we used to make as children, collecting things we found, going to the park becasue there was always one near..
i wonder if the lack of freedom our children have contributes to them becoming more streetwise because they dont have the freedom we had when we were younger. i dont have my own children but my partner has two girls- 9 and 10 years and i wouldnt even let them go to the shop on the next block on their own because i wouldnt think they were safe.

steeljack

07-01-2008 02:15

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my off the wall thinking is kids are not being taught to socialize these days , simple point , in the days before two cars in every driveway most folks used pubic transport which was a times crowded and children were taught from an early to give up their seat for any adult, not just a pensioner , and it was just an automatic reaction for any able bodied male to give up his seat for a woman be she old or young , these days most 'children' never use a bus until the early teenage years when the parents unwrap the cotton wool and then they act like feral animals because they haven't been taught or know any different , similar situation with teenage 'gangs' , children are never allowed out to play (socialize) in the streets or the next street because of over sensationalized reports of molesters lurking behind every streetlamp ( attention people, its not a new problem, its allways been there, but it was dealt with locally by family and neighbours) when finally they are allowed out they make the most of it.
Also extended family links are no longer there at one time at least one set of grandparents lived in the immediate area (within two or three streets) and you could be sure if you got into anything word would get back pretty quick .
Something which I have thought about is also the size of high schools (secondary schools) I think they have gotten to be to big and a child just becomes a number and not an individual , I went to school in the days when Gt.Harwood, Rishton,Clayton, and Ossy all had their own secondary schools (don't know how many Accy had) as well as Accy Grammer , High and Ossy Tech, plus the Catholic Secondary and Grammer schools (inc Paddock House) both the pupils and the teachers were part of the local community , something I think we have lost , I think I can honestly say that Johnny Shackleton the Headmaster at Gt. Harwood Secondary Modern knew the name of every child in the school , something I doubt many headmasters/school principals/directors of education can say in any local High school these days .
:dummy: :dummy:

WillowTheWhisp

07-01-2008 08:55

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I agree with you about schools becoming too big and impersonal. Children are statistics rather than individuals.

My mother worked, out of necessity, but I didn't become a delinquent.

I do think a lot of the layabouts are children of layabouts and it's a vicious circle.

And that is very over simplified.

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