Originally Posted by SamF (Post 518906)

...and survivors will be shot again

Seriously, get a grip on reality, the problems are with the minority, why destroy the lives of millions ?

The problem is mainly with the perception of "youths".

You see a group of teenagers in full black tracksuits and you assume that they are drunk off cheap cider, out until 3AM every night swearing and vandalising before going home to neglectful parents on benefits and truanting off the next day of school. The case 9 times out of 10 is that its a few teenage lads off for a kickabout.

I laugh at the fact that when I do out out playing football, people cross the street to avoid me, walking in not the best of areas and standing6ft tall wearing tracksuit bottoms (I'll be buggered if I'm wearing shorts in winter) and an athletic shirt I am the typical "youth" up to no good. Terrifying I know.

Now look at it from a different angle, I am a straight A student, had the chance of a place at Oxford or Cambridge but chose against it, now earned a conditional offer from the most popular and one of the most competitive universities in the country- The University of Manchester, I am simply going to have a kick around with my friends, who I've known since primary school, spending a bit of time with them before we all move away. Still scared ?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 519017)

its YOU who wants to get a grip on reality Samf, no-one wants decent kids oining, no-one thinks all kids are yobs, its about trying to make society safer from the morons.

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 518426)

The problem is with family members buying the drink, normally an older brother or sister.

Originally Posted by SamF (Post 518906)

The problem is mainly with the perception of "youths".

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 518487)

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 519088)

I think social services should be involved so they can start a case regarding situations like this. I don't think the parents should be prosecuted first time, we all did it, but something should happen for repeat instances.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 519090)

Sorry Neil, I disagree with you on this, think its more an example of community policing being required , ....local beat 'bobby' P.C.Robinson ...knew the local kids and where they lived.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 519104)

Our local PC's do know many of the local kids, mainly those that cause the trouble and are working to sort out anti social behavior.

I still think the only may to get some parents to care what there kids are doing is to cause as much inconvience to them as you can. Things like not taking them to the local nick, take them 20 miles away so the parents have to present for interview collecting them.

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 519230)

the problem with the theory with that children defy their parents regardless of how much they get shouted at. Inconveniencing the parents might make them pay attention but why is it going to make the kids pay attention to their parents when theyre breaking the law? Do you think being shouted at by your parents is scarier than being punished by the police?

I think teens enjoy the thrill of doing something they shouldn't be doing, and more attention isn't going to deter them. The other bonus is that doing things like drinking and causing trouble is seen favourably amongst their peers. The more they get punished the more they boast about it.

When I was in the magistrates I witnesses a girl being fined for assault. £300. Did she look bothered? Course she didnt, because to her it makes her look 'better' to her friends.

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 519280)

That is exactly why they should inflict some serious punishment on these morons, you would not see anybody bragging about being birched, put in borstal or boot camp, and even if they did, they wouldn't want to go back. We have to take the 'prestige' out of being a badun! Much like steeljacks german post, I agree with that.

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 519285)

If adults reoffend after being in 'real' prisons and they supposedly have more intelligence (or at least thats the general view on this forum) what makes you think teenagers are going to suddenly behave?

Originally Posted by panther (Post 519323)

The goverment wont ban alcohol, its like fags, they are making to much money out of them!
and putting the age up is a waste of time too, kids will still get their hands on it, just like fags, that went up to 18.....waste of time that was:rolleyes:

tougher penalties are needed thats all, but im just wasting my fingers putting this arnt I:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 519090)

woe betide any local kid who got caught doing a 'wille wonka' (head over heels roll) over the railway bridge parapet wall whilst a train was going under it (a right of passage), not only were you shamed by him taking you home , your parents/family were shamed at the same time . don't ever remember a clip around the ear from him or any police abuse but he had the respect which sadley seems to have gone . :D :D