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shillelagh 28-01-2008 15:42
Suspended for drinking... shandy
 
Boy suspended from school for drinking lemonade shandy in playground | the Daily Mail

Being suspended for one day for drinking a can of shandy at school. The school has a zero tolerance for alcohol being in school. The shandy was 0.5% alcohol. I used to drink shandy when i was a kid - it was my treat when dad took us to KFC at salmesbury - a can of topdeck shandy. Never took it into school though. Why make a big fuss about it though. Contacting his mum saying he cant drink shandy in school might have been better.

panther 28-01-2008 17:02
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heard about this on the radio:rolleyes:
ok, so its got alcohol in it,.....so what!...i would understand if it was a bottle of vodka or summat, but it was shandy and it is sold in the pop section in most shops, it dont say over 18 only on the can, so i dont know what the big deal is:rolleyes:

i remember when my daughter went to buy a can of that panda shandy at co-op and she wouldnt serve her, says she had to be over 18!!!......since when?
lol, bloody laughable.

steeljack 28-01-2008 17:25
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the photo of the lard arsed Mother explains everything , a perfect example of having a healthy lifestyle :rolleyes: :eek:

flashy 28-01-2008 17:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 523106)
the photo of the lard arsed Mother explains everything , a perfect example of having a healthy lifestyle :rolleyes: :eek:

oi thats me in that pic...shup ;)

banjoman 28-01-2008 17:32
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I thought it was a bit over the top until I read the line :

"The can states clearly that the drink is made with real beer"

So the school has zero tolerance, so in my eyes its tough but thats the way it is. Put another way if he (could) drink enough to be over the drink drive limit (yes I know he`s only 15 but hypothetically) would you let him off if he got stopped ?

I blame the mother...She bought it so should have checked and the made with real beer is a bit of a giveaway (even if it wasnt true)

panther 28-01-2008 17:34
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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 523106)
the photo of the lard arsed Mother explains everything , a perfect example of having a healthy lifestyle :rolleyes: :eek:
lol...says she's only 33!!, my god she must have had a rough life....must be all that shandy:rolleyes:, must tell my kids NOT to drink it!;)

banjoman 28-01-2008 17:37
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33, maybe thats her IQ ?

lancsdave 28-01-2008 17:39
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Originally Posted by panther (Post 523112)
lol...says she's only 33!!
I know women fib about their age but surely in her case there's fibbing and there's outright lying :)

panther 28-01-2008 17:43
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 523116)
I know women fib about their age but surely in her case there's fibbing and there's outright lying :)
she looks more like 43!:p

cashman 28-01-2008 18:51
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dont really matter if the mother is 30 stone, this is a soft drink n rank stupidity,by over the top fools.:(

panther 28-01-2008 19:08
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i let my kids sup shandy, i dont see the harm in it!

MargaretR 28-01-2008 19:22
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The minute part of it that is beer is probably the only part remotely nutritious - rest is sweetened water.
I dont understand why people buy such stuff - we eat and drink to be 'nourished' - that sort of stuff is expensive yet does nothing.

Gayle 28-01-2008 19:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by panther (Post 523119)
she looks more like 43!:p

Oy, on behalf of all 43 year olds, I take offence at that! :eek::D

Less 28-01-2008 19:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 523185)
dont really matter if the mother is 30 stone, this is a soft drink n rank stupidity,by over the top fools.:(
Well said cashy'

It is legally sold to children because it may have 'a' flavour but it doesn't have the effect!
No matter how many lies the Mother is telling about her age, both she and her child have a perfect right for that product to be included in his lunch break meal.

How many of us, would look wonderful when photographed suddenly by the press?
:(

Lilly 28-01-2008 19:57
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I agree with the school on this one. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.

Why does this woman think that the rules don't apply to her and her son?

Why can't she just accept that instead of running to the media?

davo69 28-01-2008 20:12
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lots of medicine has a alcohol level in are they banned as well

keetah992000 28-01-2008 20:14
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do people have to use deodorant without alcohol in it too ?

( gosh alll of a sudden i am obsessed by sweet smelling body chemicals lol)

Less 28-01-2008 20:14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523222)
I agree with the school on this one. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.

Why does this woman think that the rules don't apply to her and her son?

Why can't she just accept that instead of running to the media?
Absolute carp, there isn't enough Alcohol in a tin of shandy to effect a 5 year clean alcoholic never mind an 'innocent' school child!

Who is running to the media? Her or you? we all only believe what we are told instead of what we find out, so maybe you should believe less and find out more?

For that child to even become intoxicated would mean he had to drink enough cans to cause his bladder to explode!

The whole wide world and also wikipedea, (just teasing there), is open for you to check or are you fixated by some form of aftershave? (most of which have more alcohol than several cans of shandy).

Bonnyboy 28-01-2008 20:16
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Originally Posted by keetah992000 (Post 523232)
do people have to use deodorant without alcohol in it too ?

( gosh alll of a sudden i am obsessed by sweet smelling body chemicals lol)
Dont know about deodorant, but some mouthwashes have alcohol in them :)

Lilly 28-01-2008 20:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 523233)
Absolute carp, there isn't enough Alcohol in a tin of shandy to effect a 5 year clean alcoholic never mind an 'innocent' school child!

Who is running to the media? Her or you? we all only believe what we are told instead of what we find out, so maybe you should believe less and find out more?

For that child to even become intoxicated would mean he had to drink enough cans to cause his bladder to explode!

The whole wide world and also wikipedea, (just teasing there), is open for you to check or are you fixated by some form of aftershave? (most of which have more alcohol than several cans of shandy).

If the mother didn't go to the media then who did? How did the newspaper get hold of the story?

And no, it wasn't me. :confused:

I take it that this school is not the only one in her area. If she doesn't agree with their policies she should send her son to a school that does fit in with her ideas of what's acceptable .

Lilly 28-01-2008 20:20
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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 523231)
lots of medicine has a alcohol level in are they banned as well

If a child takes medicine to school it will be because it is necessary to treat a condition.

Shandy is not a medicine.

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 20:22
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So does this mean rum truffles are banned?

Zero tolerance is all well and good, but only when it's tempered with a modicum of common sense.

Bonnyboy 28-01-2008 20:26
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523222)
I agree with the school on this one. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.

Why does this woman think that the rules don't apply to her and her son?

Why can't she just accept that instead of running to the media?
If zero tolerance means exactly what it says, I hope they have checked out their whiteboard markers at the said school. Fast dry markers have alcohol based ink…it just depends how silly/extreme you want to be

Gayle 28-01-2008 20:28
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Rules are rules.

Common sense is one thing Wynonie but every milimetre relaxation of a rule starts to add up. Little things - the first swear word on TV was shock horror, then the rule got flouted and flouted until now it's common place - the first earring was ignored now children as young as five are going in with earrings. Yes, common sense is good and the school should have simply sent a letter home and asked the mum not to send shandy again, but the rule should be upheld.

keetah992000 28-01-2008 20:28
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as people have said - zero tolerance is zero tolerance - lol

Less 28-01-2008 20:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523235)
If the mother didn't go to the media then who did? How did the newspaper get hold of the story?

And no, it wasn't me. :confused:

I take it that this school is not the only one in her area. If she doesn't agree with their policies she should send her son to a school that does fit in with her ideas of what's acceptable .
The Mother, do you remember her? earlier in this post she was being insulted for how she looks, probably went to the press hoping that liberal minded people would agree that banning shandy is not only silly but moronic, the fact that you agree with the morons that run the school without any form of common sense makes you a?


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B/ Maroon
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davo69 28-01-2008 20:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523222)
I agree with the school on this one. Zero tolerance means zero tolerance.

Why does this woman think that the rules don't apply to her and her son?

Why can't she just accept that instead of running to the media?
maske your mind up zero tolerance or not

Lilly 28-01-2008 20:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 523239)
If zero tolerance means exactly what it says, I hope they have checked out their whiteboard markers at the said school. Fast dry markers have alcohol based ink…it just depends how silly/extreme you want to be
The kids shouldn't be ingesting whiteboard markers. :rolleyes:

mr_flibble 28-01-2008 20:47
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Glad to see yet another well writen and informative article from the boys and girls at the Hate Mail.

Lilly 28-01-2008 20:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 523240)
Rules are rules.

Common sense is one thing Wynonie but every milimetre relaxation of a rule starts to add up. Little things - the first swear word on TV was shock horror, then the rule got flouted and flouted until now it's common place - the first earring was ignored now children as young as five are going in with earrings. Yes, common sense is good and the school should have simply sent a letter home and asked the mum not to send shandy again, but the rule should be upheld.
Hear hear, Gayle. :)

Bonnyboy 28-01-2008 20:51
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523247)
The kids shouldn't be ingesting whiteboard markers. :rolleyes:
Zero tolerance in my book would be that no alcohol would be allowed on the premisses, be it for consumtion, ingesting or otherwise :rolleyes:

Lilly 28-01-2008 20:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 523243)
The Mother, do you remember her? earlier in this post she was being insulted for how she looks, probably went to the press hoping that liberal minded people would agree that banning shandy is not only silly but moronic, the fact that you agree with the morons that run the school without any form of common sense makes you a?


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If however it proves too difficult,
I can make it a multi-choice question.
a/ Moron.
B/ Maroon
3:Martini not stirred but shaken, (I'll have it at play time thank you Miss MoneyPenny!).
So it was the mother who went to the press? I thought so. Who else would it have been. Like you say, she probably did it thinking she'd be in for some sympathy from other parents. If so then she's a very unintelligent woman who thinks that rules only apply to others. That, to me, is evidence of a moron. :rolleyes:

How can I be a moron for suggesting that school rules be upheld? I assume I have got the multiple choice question right and that you were not calling me a maroon or a martini.

As I said before, if the school's policies don't suit her she should send her child elsewhere but she strikes me as the sort of person who will always find some rule to bleat about, be it the contents of lunchboxes, hairstyles, earrings, uniform etc.

cashman 28-01-2008 21:17
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 523185)
dont really matter if the mother is 30 stone, this is a soft drink n rank stupidity,by over the top fools.:(
well theres obviously 2 of these joined this thread.:rolleyes:

Less 28-01-2008 21:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523259)
So it was the mother who went to the press? I thought so. Who else would it have been. Like you say, she probably did it thinking she'd be in for some sympathy from other parents. If so then she's a very unintelligent woman who thinks that rules only apply to others. That, to me, is evidence of a moron. :rolleyes:

How can I be a moron for suggesting that school rules be upheld? I assume I have got the multiple choice question right and that you were not calling me a maroon or a martini.

As I said before, if the school's policies don't suit her she should send her child elsewhere but she strikes me as the sort of person who will always find some rule to bleat about, be it the contents of lunchboxes, hairstyles, earrings, uniform etc.
Congratulations, you have just been moved up in my estimation, I was thinking perhaps I had been a little harsh in my statements earlier, but somehow you have managed to prove them correct, that I didn't think you capable of!
:eek:

cashman 28-01-2008 21:31
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seems mother teresa has not read the article through, as the mother said she would abide by the ruling.:rolleyes: while she thinks shes bleating, i would say that is infinatly better than being a "walkover" when summat is so obviously stupid.:rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 21:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 523240)
Rules are rules.

Common sense is one thing Wynonie but every milimetre relaxation of a rule starts to add up. Little things - the first swear word on TV was shock horror, then the rule got flouted and flouted until now it's common place - the first earring was ignored now children as young as five are going in with earrings. Yes, common sense is good and the school should have simply sent a letter home and asked the mum not to send shandy again, but the rule should be upheld.
Like most people, I would assume that zero tolerance on alcohol applies to beers, ciders, lagers, alcopops, spirits, wines...in fact, all the products which can only be sold on licensed premises to those who are 18+. To apply it to products which are officially classified as non-alcoholic (it is literally impossible to for any normal person, even a child, to become the slightest bit intoxicated on shandy - that's why anyone can buy it and why it can be sold in any shop) is pedantic in the extreme. Supposing the headmistress brings in a bottle of nail varnish remover in her handbag, or a member of staff offers a box of chocolate liqueurs round the staff room? Should they be sent home? After all, "rules are rules".

I also don't think the parallels you draw hold water (or anything stronger!). To go from saying one offensive word on TV to another would appear to be quite easy...you are just doing the same thing again and again. However, to say that allowing a can of shandy into school one day would make it more difficult to stop someone bringing in a can of Kronenbourg the next day is not the case. There is a huge difference between the two - one product is a licensed drink, the other is a soft drink...seems blindingly obvious to me!

Lilly 28-01-2008 21:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 523283)
seems mother teresa has not read the article through, as the mother said she would abide by the ruling.:rolleyes: while she thinks shes bleating, i would say that is infinatly better than being a "walkover" when summat is so obviously stupid.:rolleyes:
I have read the article. The mother says that she will abide by the rules in future. She didn't in this case though, did she?

Less 28-01-2008 21:40
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 523286)
seems blindingly obvious to me!
If common sense came in a can it would have your name on it!

cashman 28-01-2008 21:42
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its a soft drink in a can, any 5 yr old can purchase at any shop and consume,are we now using your logic to prosecute the shopkeeper?:rolleyes:

flashy 28-01-2008 21:43
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IF it was that bad they wouldnt sell it in the 'pop' section, it would be with the alcohol

Lilly 28-01-2008 21:46
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 523286)

I also don't think the parallels you draw hold water (or anything stronger!). To go from saying one offensive word on TV to another would appear to be quite easy...you are just doing the same thing again and again. However, to say that allowing a can of shandy into school one day would make it more difficult to stop someone bringing in a can of Kronenbourg the next day is not the case. There is a huge difference between the two - one product is a licensed drink, the other is a soft drink...seems blindingly obvious to me!
I think the parallels Gayle drew are good. A child wouldn't be allowed to carry a light knife or smoke a light cigarette in school so why would they be allowed to drink a light shandy?

Rules are there for a reason and once you start relaxing them in a school setting it causes no end of bother and there is anarchy. It is pointless having rules in school if they are not going to be rigidly stuck to.

Can anyone tell me why some parents send their child to a particular school and then try to flout the school rules?

If you don't agree with the school rules, no problem. We don't all have the same opinion in life but this is the way things are done at this school.
If that doesn't suit you then go elsewhere.

Less 28-01-2008 21:49
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523295)
I think the parallels Gayle drew are good. A child wouldn't be allowed to carry a light knife or smoke a light cigarette in school so why would they be allowed to drink a light shandy?
Because Shandy Is Classed As Non Alcoholic, That's Why Children Can Buy it!!!!!!!!

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 21:51
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 523289)
If common sense came in a can it would have your name on it!
Cheers, Less, but you haven't seen me after a few beers! ;)

...talking of which, I believe that the town centre streets, like this school, operate a zero tolerance policy on alcohol - ie if you're caught drinking it, you're liable for a fine. Does anybody seriously think that if you walked down Broadway, swigging a can of shandy, you'd have your collar felt? :rolleyes:

cashman 28-01-2008 21:52
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the school rules prohibit alcohol n rightly so, this is not alcoholic never mind the crap printed on the can, nobody in there right mind would say that drink is alcoholic, he had been taking this stuff to school for months n nothing said,n a normal mum would not have dreamt it was breaking any rules, is that clear enough for you.:rolleyes:

Lilly 28-01-2008 21:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Less (Post 523297)
Because Shandy Is Classed As Non Alcoholic, That's Why Children Can Buy it!!!!!!!!

I'm not disputing the fact that children can buy it but the school do not allow it to be consumed on their premises!!!!

Less 28-01-2008 21:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 523298)
Cheers, Less, but you haven't seen me after a few beers! ;)

...talking of which, I believe that the town centre streets, like this school, operate a zero tolerance policy on alcohol - ie if you're caught drinking it, you're liable for a fine. Does anybody seriously think that if you walked down Broadway, swigging a can of shandy, you'd have your collar felt? :rolleyes:
About time too, I'm sick to death of these shandy louts!:D

harwood red 28-01-2008 21:54
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simple, should be like my kids school, no fizzy drinks allowed at all

SORTED :D

Lilly 28-01-2008 21:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 523298)
Cheers, Less, but you haven't seen me after a few beers! ;)

...talking of which, I believe that the town centre streets, like this school, operate a zero tolerance policy on alcohol - ie if you're caught drinking it, you're liable for a fine. Does anybody seriously think that if you walked down Broadway, swigging a can of shandy, you'd have your collar felt? :rolleyes:
Maybe, maybe not. That's a different story to rules in school though.

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 22:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523295)
I think the parallels Gayle drew are good. A child wouldn't be allowed to carry a light knife or smoke a light cigarette in school so why would they be allowed to drink a light shandy?

Rules are there for a reason
You're seriously comparing a soft drink to knives and cigarettes???

And yes, rules are there for a rule...this particular rule is to stop pupils bringing drinks which have the potential to intoxicate into school. Shandy does NOT have the potential to intoxicate!

cashman 28-01-2008 22:01
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well thats me with this, reminds me of a thing me nan used to say. YOU CANNOT PUT SENSE,WHERE THERE IS NONE.:rolleyes:

Less 28-01-2008 22:02
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523307)
Maybe, maybe not. That's a different story to rules in school though.
No it isn't, rules is rules if we obey one and disregard the other we are on a steep slope to anakkey, erm, anarchery, erm, a narky, erm, Oh, what the hell you know what I mean, and if you don't you should have paid more attention at school instead of gettin' peesed on shandy.

(My school when I called in on the odd occasion used to sell cans of shandy at break time, finally I have someone to blame for how I've turned out).
:alright:

flashy 28-01-2008 22:02
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i remember i used to buy shandy when i was ickle...i used to think i was 'well ard' ;)

Bonnyboy 28-01-2008 22:06
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Imagine having to deal with this head teacher, Miss Wilson , on a matter of importance. :rolleyes:

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cashman (Post 523310)
well thats me with this, reminds me of a thing me nan used to say. YOU CANNOT PUT SENSE,WHERE THERE IS NONE.:rolleyes:
Wise woman, your nan. :D

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:07
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 523316)
Imagine having to deal with this head teacher, Miss Wilson , on a matter of importance. :rolleyes:
Something important like the upholding of school rules. :rolleyes:

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 22:08
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523307)
Maybe, maybe not. That's a different story to rules in school though.
MAYBE???...do you honestly think there's a chance you'd be prosecuted for drinking a non-licensed drink in an alcohol prohibited area?

And, no, it's not "a different story". You wouldn't be prosecuted for drinking a shandy in a no-alcohol zone because it's officially classified as a non-alcoholic drink. So, I would imagine that most people would think that there was no problem in sending their child to school with the same drink.

WillowTheWhisp 28-01-2008 22:17
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From reading the story I don't believe the mother has a problem at all with the school rules at all. I do not believe she set out to flaunt the rules. She didn't send her son to school with a bottle of WKD or even a can of lager. The can of shandy he was drinking is classed by everyone BUT that school as a can of pop. It's on sale in butty shops alongside the Coke and Sprite. No child would ever be refused buying it with the reasoning that it's alcohol. It has less alcohol content than an antiseptic wipe!

If the school was going to make a fuss about this particular drink in addition to alcoholic drinks then the sensible approach would have been a quiet word with the lad and his mother asking him not to bring it again.

As most of you know I do not drink alcohol as part of my religious beliefs and I personally would avoid purchasing this drink because it does contain a small amount of real beer. But the relevant word there is 'small' and even I don't think I would get drunk off it if I accidentally drank some in mistake for a non-alcoholic lager shandy or something. (If such a thing exists.)

However, having said that I still believe the school has acted stupidly in this case and there are far more serious things for them to be concerned about than a non alcoholic shandy which can be bought at the corner shop by infants.

Bonnyboy 28-01-2008 22:19
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523318)
Something important like the upholding of school rules. :rolleyes:
People are put into positions of responsibility, supposedly, because they have a modicum of common sense. Rules are there for a reason as you say, and they should be upheld. Things are not always black and white , it’s then that you expect the person in charge to make good judgement and deal with the situation. On this occasion, in my opinion, her judgement was poor. Underage drinking is illegal, if she felt that strongly about her rules then she should have informed the authorities. Wonder what the police response would have been ???

katex 28-01-2008 22:20
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I don't think it makes any difference whether Tesco sell this drink to 5 year olds or not, nothing to do with the school rules. They say no beer, no beer it should be !

My grandaughter's school didn't allow fizzy drinks in packed lunches of any sort.... mind you, if I had my way, wouldn't allow packed lunches at all .. but OK .. another subject we have covered before.

On the surface, the school does seem to have been a little hard on this lad, however, we do not know what attitude he adopted to his teacher when confronted, do we ? Might have given her a load of lip.

Just seen your post HR. Same thing eh ?

Neil 28-01-2008 22:22
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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 523209)
Oy, on behalf of all 43 year olds, I take offence at that! :eek::D
No need to take offence Gayle, you do look a tad better than she does :tongueout

Less 28-01-2008 22:22
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 523316)
Imagine having to deal with this head teacher, Miss Wilson , on a matter of importance. :rolleyes:
When Roy (administrator) was 14 he wanted to go to night school on a computer course, he was taken to the enrolment evening.

Perfectly fine so long as he gets his schools permission, his mother went the following day to talk to the headmistress.
Hysterics! the woman went mad! under no circumstances am I having one of my pupils going to college when he should be using his free time to get through his exams!
But he does his homework and then goes out hanging on street corners with his mates, came the reply from his mother.
Well what he does out of school time is up to you she said.
o.k., replied his mum if thats the case I will see the board of governors.

She went to see the gallant team of parents could do wells and teachers and lo and behold got the permission so long as he didn't lose anything of his classwork,(fairy nuff).

At the age of 15 Roy passed his computer course (98% if I remember correctly, (could have been 100% but they marked him down 'cos he didn't spell Roy correctly)).

He got all the exams needed for school as well, he now works full time showing off, (actually no-one anywhere has yet caught him working).

But rules is rules if they aren't obeyed you might end up with something like ACCYWEB!:D

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 22:23
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 523323)
I accidentally drank some in mistake for a non-alcoholic lager shandy or something. (If such a thing exists.)
Yes, I also, accidentally drank some, recently, when the barmaid gave me the wrong drink...a horrendous experience! :eek:

Neil 28-01-2008 22:24
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523326)
I don't think it makes any difference whether Tesco sell this drink to 5 year olds or not, nothing to do with the school rules. They say no beer, no beer it should be !
There is more alcohol in many cough medicines for kids than what is in a can of shandy, sounds stupid to me.

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:25
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523326)
I don't think it makes any difference whether Tesco sell this drink to 5 year olds or not, nothing to do with the school rules. They say no beer, no beer it should be !

My grandaughter's school didn't allow fizzy drinks in packed lunches of any sort.... mind you, if I had my way, wouldn't allow packed lunches at all .. but OK .. another subject we have covered before.

On the surface, the school does seem to have been a little hard on this lad, however, we do not know what attitude he adopted to his teacher when confronted, do we ? Might have given her a load of lip.

Just seen your post HR. Same thing eh ?
I just tried to give you karma but it wouldn't let me. I've been waiting for you to come in on this thread. I had a hunch that you'd agree with me regarding school rules. :D

Now where are the other sense-talkers? :D

katex 28-01-2008 22:30
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Wonder if you would all have a different attitude if they served this drink at your school children's Christmas party ?

Bonnyboy 28-01-2008 22:31
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Originally Posted by Less (Post 523329)
But rules is rules if they aren't obeyed you might end up with something like ACCYWEB!:D
In my opinion teachers have never been the sharpest of knives in the drawer. They go to school, then college, then Uni perhaps, then back to school. Common sense and even a remote idea of what life exists beyond the school gates just seems to escape them. ;)

Neil 28-01-2008 22:31
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523332)
Now where are the other sense-talkers? :D
I have already posted

davo69 28-01-2008 22:32
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523332)
I just tried to give you karma but it wouldn't let me. I've been waiting for you to come in on this thread. I had a hunch that you'd agree with me regarding school rules. :D

Now where are the other sense-talkers? :D
did rules say beer or alcohol

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:34
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Originally Posted by davo69 (Post 523343)
did rules say beer or alcohol
A zero tolerance policy in relation to alcohol.

cashman 28-01-2008 22:34
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523339)
Wonder if you would all have a different attitude if they served this drink at your school children's Christmas party ?
seeing as how many schools used to sell the stuff, no sane person would differ.:rolleyes:

WillowTheWhisp 28-01-2008 22:34
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Well it wouldn't get them drunk would it?

My girls would probably say 'no thank you' if they saw the reference to beer but if they didn't notice that and did drink it thinking it was just a lemonade drink I don't think I'd create merry hell over it.

WillowTheWhisp 28-01-2008 22:36
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523344)
A zero tolerance policy in relation to alcohol.
And how do you define an alcoholic drink? The law clearly defines this as a non-alcoholic drink otherwise it would only be on sale to those over 18.

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 22:36
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523326)
They say no beer, no beer it should be !
It's a good job they didn't actually say no beer, as by your pedantically literal interpretation of the rules, there'd be kids arriving at school with bottles of vodka stuffed in their blazer pockets. The policy was zero tolerance on alcohol. Shandy is officially classfied as a non-alcoholic product, that's why it's a non-licensed line. Can't make it any clearer!

katex 28-01-2008 22:37
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They did take gripe water off the market ya' know, because it contained 0.2% alchohol !

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 22:37
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523339)
Wonder if you would all have a different attitude if they served this drink at your school children's Christmas party ?
None whatsoever. It's a SOFT DRINK!!!

davo69 28-01-2008 22:38
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zero tolerance to alcohol drinks or products

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 22:40
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523349)
They did take gripe water off the market ya' know, because it contained 0.2% alchohol !
So, do you reckon they're going to take shandy off the market anytime soon?

WillowTheWhisp 28-01-2008 22:40
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523349)
They did take gripe water off the market ya' know, because it contained 0.2% alchohol !
Really? I thought they just made an alcohol free version alongside the other version for people like me.

katex 28-01-2008 22:40
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 523348)
It's a good job they didn't actually say no beer, as by your pedantically literal interpretation of the rules, there'd be kids arriving at school with bottles of vodka stuffed in their blazer pockets. The policy was zero tolerance on alcohol. Shandy is officially classfied as a non-alcoholic product, that's why it's a non-licensed line. Can't make it any clearer!
Low content I agree, but still has ALCHOHOL in it, and therefore falls within the school's rules.

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:41
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 523348)
It's a good job they didn't actually say no beer, as by your pedantically literal interpretation of the rules, there'd be kids arriving at school with bottles of vodka stuffed in their blazer pockets. The policy was zero tolerance on alcohol. Shandy is officially classfied as a non-alcoholic product, that's why it's a non-licensed line. Can't make it any clearer!
Shandy doesn't contain enough alcohol to be officially classed as an alcoholic drink but nevertheless it does contain alcohol and this school has a no alcohol rule.

If you think it's a silly rule then send your kids to another school. That's the way things are done at that school, send your kids elsewhere if it doesn't sit well with you.

What's the betting that it's a good school and the mother doesn't want her child to go to another school yet doesn't want to accept all the rules at this one.
As my grandma used to say.....wanting the ha'penny and the cake?

Neil 28-01-2008 22:42
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 523347)
And how do you define an alcoholic drink? The law clearly defines this as a non-alcoholic drink otherwise it would only be on sale to those over 18.
I agree willow. If it was my kid I would take it to the school goveners. if that did not work I would try the education authority. If the law says it is a soft drink then how can some daft head teacher say different?

I am off head teachers at the moment but that is a different story.

katex 28-01-2008 22:42
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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 523346)

My girls would probably say 'no thank you' if they saw the reference to beer but if they didn't notice that and did drink it thinking it was just a lemonade drink I don't think I'd create merry hell over it.
We will never know will we Willow. Sure, you would request they didn't drink it again.

davo69 28-01-2008 22:44
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take all alcohol pruducts away from school and you would be back to chalk boards

cashman 28-01-2008 22:44
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right 1 question for lilly n kate, would you honestly have known that this soft drink was prohibited at school, if this story had not broke?

WillowTheWhisp 28-01-2008 22:46
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523357)

What's the betting that it's a good school and the mother doesn't want her child to go to another school yet doesn't want to accept all the rules at this one.
As my grandma used to say.....wanting the ha'penny and the cake?
She hasn't said she doesn't want to accept the rules. What she has said is that she didn't think she was breaking the rules and now that the ban on this SOFT DRINK has been pointed out to her she will comply with it. She is however complaining, and justifiably in my opinion, that the school behaved in a manner out of proportion to the situation by excluding her son for a day when this was clearly not a case of him openly defying and flouting the rules but of not even being aware that his SOFT DRINK was against the school rules.

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 22:47
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523356)
Low content I agree, but still has ALCHOHOL in it, and therefore falls within the school's rules.
It does if you're going to be pedantic about it, but then again, so do Rum Truffles. It doesn't however, if you're going to approach it in a common sense way. What's the point of this policy?...to stop kids bringing alcoholic (ie licensed) products into school which might get them inebriated and which it's illegal for them to possess, anyway. This drink is legal and is non-intoxicating...can't you see the difference?

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:49
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 523358)
I agree willow. If it was my kid I would take it to the school goveners. if that did not work I would try the education authority. If the law says it is a soft drink then how can some daft head teacher say different?

I am off head teachers at the moment but that is a different story.

Maybe you can answer my question. I've asked it several times but no-one is taking me on.

Why would you send your children to a school whose policies you don't agree with? Why not send them to one whose rules you do approve of? Things don't need to be illegal to be banned in school.

Some schools have banned sweets and chocolates in lunch boxes, some schools have banned wacky haircuts. Each school has their own slightly different rules.

garinda 28-01-2008 22:50
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Do they still sell sweetie cigarettes and sweetie tobacco?

They still sell wine gums though.

Wonder what the school policy is on getting off your head on them?

Bonnyboy 28-01-2008 22:50
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Where do you get this rule list from anyway, don’t remember being issued with a rule book at Hollins, are parents kept up to date with new rulings ?

katex 28-01-2008 22:51
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 523362)
right 1 question for lilly n kate, would you honestly have known that this soft drink was prohibited at school, if this story had not broke?
I definitely would not have allowed my lad to have taken it to school (mind you fizzy drinks ban anyway), as am not very ofay with the alcoholic contents of beer, and the school he went to did have very strict zero tolerance rules.

In fact, think I have refused to get these when he was younger, because I was unsure.

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:52
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 523362)
right 1 question for lilly n kate, would you honestly have known that this soft drink was prohibited at school, if this story had not broke?

I wouldn't know anything about that particular school if I hadn't read the article. Each school has their own varying rules. I don't know what the policies re alcohol is in my kids school or what their position is re shandy.

cashman 28-01-2008 22:52
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523366)
Maybe you can answer my question. I've asked it several times but no-one is taking me on.

Why would you send your children to a school whose policies you don't agree with? Why not send them to one whose rules you do approve of? Things don't need to be illegal to be banned in school.

Some schools have banned sweets and chocolates in lunch boxes, some schools have banned wacky haircuts. Each school has their own slightly different rules.
the woman DID NOT know n when she did she complied, yer wernt a ghostwriter fer Mein Kampf were you?:D

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:55
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 523372)
the woman DID NOT know n when she did she complied, yer wernt a ghostwriter fer Mein Kampf were you?:D
Of course she knew.

And if she didn't then she can't have read the school's prospectus properly.

cashman 28-01-2008 22:55
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523371)
I wouldn't know anything about that particular school if I hadn't read the article. Each school has their own varying rules. I don't know what the policies re alcohol is in my kids school or what their position is re shandy.
thats the point YOU dont know yer kids schools policys n neither did this woman, n even knowing it would never think this drink was banned,cos its a soft drink.

garinda 28-01-2008 22:55
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The boy should be taken into care.

If his mother didn't buy him crappy fizzy drinks for lunch, his spots would heal up, and he wouldn't have been shamed by having his photograph in the national press.

WillowTheWhisp 28-01-2008 22:55
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Originally Posted by katex (Post 523359)
We will never know will we Willow. Sure, you would request they didn't drink it again.
Actually the choice is up to them. If they personally felt that it didn't qualify as alcohol then considering it is legally a non-alcoholic drink I would leave it up to them. I don't know that it would prevent them from obtaining a Temple Recommend. They would need to discuss that with the Lord and with their Bishop. I know people in the church who cook with alcohol because the cooking process presumably burns off all the alcohol content but personally I choose not to to be on the safe side yet I don't criticise them for doing so.

Emzie once accidentally drank coffee at school because she didn't know what it was. I didn't make a scene at the school about it. I just quietly and politely asked them not to offer it to her again. Just as the school could have quietly and politely asked this lad not to bring shandy again. That is the point I am trying to make. I don't believe the school wilfully set out to make my daughter go against church teachings any more than I think this lad wilfully set out to break school rules.

Wynonie Harris 28-01-2008 22:56
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523366)
Maybe you can answer my question. I've asked it several times but no-one is taking me on.

Why would you send your children to a school whose policies you don't agree with? Why not send them to one whose rules you do approve of? Things don't need to be illegal to be banned in school.
I would imagine that, like most people, she didn't think that sending the lad to school with a can of Lemonade Shandy would cause him to fall foul of a no alcohol rule. And now she knows, she's not sending him with any more of the stuff. She's just highlighting the sheer stupidity of it.

flashy 28-01-2008 22:57
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 523375)
The boy should be taken into care.

If his mother didn't buy him crappy fizzy drinks for lunch, his spots would heal up, and he wouldn't have been shamed by having his photograph in the national press.


:rofl38:..

Lilly 28-01-2008 22:57
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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 523374)
thats the point YOU dont know yer kids schools policys n neither did this woman, n even knowing it would never think this drink was banned,cos its a soft drink.
I personally would not send my kids to school with shandy or any other fizzy drinks. They don't have those sorts of drinks.

Just out of interest I shall endeavour to find out our school's alcohol policy.

WillowTheWhisp 28-01-2008 22:59
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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 523373)
Of course she knew.

And if she didn't then she can't have read the school's prospectus properly.

Yes 'of course' she knew that alcohol was banned. But lemonade shandy in these cans is not legally alcohol. It is classified alongside Tango, CocaCola, Pepsi, Sprite, 7UP etc etc etc. It is sold from the same chiller cabinet. It is not sold alongside the alcohol because it is not classed as alcohol. Now if the school rules had specified "no alcohol or lemonade shandy" you might have a point.


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