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Garry Newlove's killers have been sentenced today and i think its a joke

Adam Swellings, 19, got a minimum of 17 years he will be out then when hes about 36 or sooner!
Stephen Sorton, 17, got 15 years he will be out whens hes 32
Jordan Cunliffe, 16, got 12 years he'll be out when hes only 28!

they where all found GUILTY of MURDER

So why the hell have they be given pathetic sentences?:mad:

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They should serve life. i.e. only leave the Prision walls in a box.

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I agree......life should mean exactly that.
And if i had my way I would make sure that these lads worked(hard Labour) every minute of their waking time and the money would be paid to the widow and family of the man they murdered.

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The thing is i thought life was 25 years!!......once over ya got 10 years for rape!

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These laughable sentences aptly illustrate the yawning gap that now exists between ordinary people and the politicians who rule us. If this government had any guts, they would pass legislation to ensure that life really does mean life for murder. If this opposition had any guts they would be proposing the same thing. Meanwhile, scum like this are, quite literally, getting away with murder.

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the 17 year old lad had been given bail by a magistrate for violence just hours before the poor guy was kicked to death, my question is WHY? these magistrates should be accountable to me,for releasing violent people on bail, n i'll just bet no political person either on accyweb or the wider world will open there gobs to condem the legal system, cos its THEY who are responsible for it.:mad:

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The legal system has be progressively emasculated over the years by governments playing the liberal card, and of course the ubiquitous European Human Rights Charter.
how is it the the human rights of the criminal seem to take precedence over the human rights of the vistims??????

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i agree life should be life to stay in prison till they are carried out in a box. that poor family man being murdered by them thugs what is this world coming too.

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yeh saw that tonight, its that often though some people will become "used" to these things.:(

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These lads are cold blooded brutal KILLERS and should never be allowed out of prison .
Poor Garry Newlove was doing what anyone of us would do and protecting our own ..
these scumbags make me sick . When will justice ever be done for such crimes .

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These brats know they can almost get away with murder and while ever these poor sentances are dished out there will always be crimes like this commited ..
I agree with you BB but then who would be the one getting sent down .?

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As a national jurno said were're all going to hell on a hand cart

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maybe I am on my own thinking this but why should we keep them in prison there is no doubt they are guilty so an eye for an eye etc etc...but because the law won't allow this I too think they should be in for life and as Margaret said hard labour every day.

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Isn't that how gypsies deal with things? I remember when I lived in Spring Hill when I was younger and loads of them where walking up Spring Hill road armed just as you suggested.

I don't think these sentences are lenient, the best part of their lives is going to be spent in prison, and when they get out they will struggle to build up their lives because not enough is done to help rehabilitate offenders, hence why people reoffend.

I know people aren't going to like my response but I genuinely believe this is true, and the truth hurts I guess.

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Totally disagree. These three animals have callously and cold-bloodedly ended a man's life and ruined his family's lives. They will still have a large part of their lives in front of them when they emerge from jail. That doesn't seem to be justice to me. As far as I'm concerned, they should be locked up in the harshest conditions until they die.

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I agree, they will be relatively young men who will still be able to get up to violent behaviour...they will be able to do drink and drugs and generally make some poor families life a misery....they have done that once and should be stopped from doing it ever again.
If I had my way I would rehabilitate them alright......I would work them at something physically hard until they were longing to see their bed each night.

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See, if they were adults when they commited the crime I might agree, but the fact that they are young makes me think otherwise. Maybe its the fact that people keep saying to me 'when you are older you will see' and 'you'll learn one day'. I think they will see one day that what they did as teenagers was wrong, and they will have had plenty of time to dwell on that.

Why bother with prisons if we aren't willing to make room for improvement for the prisoners? Surely it would just be wasting money if they weren't ever going to be released?

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They were old enough to know that what they were doing was terribly, terribly wrong, so they are old enough to take the consequences. And as for prisons, as far as I'm concerned, they're for punishment, as well as rehabilitation.

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So murderers can't be rehabiliated? I'm not quite sure what you are trying to say.

I think we live in a society where we think prison is the only way of solving things like this, and we're so closed into the box ourselves that nobody bothers to think of alternative methods for class A offenders. Prison allows us to move the problem from our society to a closed one which affects only prisoners only, and once they're there we feel better about our lives again that we never want them back in our lives because we see them as a threat to ourselves. Our fear is what makes us demand longer prison sentences, not the fact that we want to rehabiliate anyone. Just like love makes people like Maxine Carr protect criminals, like hate and greed creates criminals.

All natural emotions create problems, and that includes fear of prisoners being released and reoffending. I thought thats why we had the legal system, for an objective trial free from the natural emotions and compassion.

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As far as I'm concerned, if somebody commits murder in cold blood, then the only appropriate sentence for them is to be locked up for the rest of their days. I couldn't care less about "alternative methods" or rehabilitating them, because, in my opinion, they don't deserve a second chance. In my book, that's justice!

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Well your taxes pay for it so who am I to complain about what you want from the prison service? its £40,000 per prisoner per year isn't it for standard care in prison, add a bit extra for the suicide watch of many young murderers, bit more for the extra protection against the other inmates...


Hmm I think I now know why the NHS doesn't get as much funding as we'd hope. It all goes to prisons instead :D

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well if as you want,release em after so long, then "New Identity" kicks in at least for the high profile scumbags, n the good old taxpayer carries on funding this farce. so if yer still paying taxes for this scum, i prefer it to be spent on keeping em in jail.

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The only time people get new identities is when they are at risk from people who want to seek revenge, normally people who aren't even involved in the first place.

Its often people who have nothing better to do that make it their duty to carry out this revenge. People who want to make a hero status for themselves in the eyes of the rest of the rabble.

I think this has already been mentioned before though in the thread about Maxine Carr

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dont matter who gets em the TAXPAYER is paying for it.

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There are a lot less people with protected identities than people in prison. It costs less as well as those with protected identities are often helped into work too so they can pay taxes themselves, and they must feed, clothe, and pay for their own lives.

Protecting identities and giving new names enables those who have been rehabiliated to have lives and work and pay back what it cost to 'fix' them.

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they can never pay back the damage they have caused to families lives,but that dont seem to bother you, the scum should not be released.

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If they cant pay it back then why spend more money keeping them in prison. I've already said that I think prisons are pointless, they obviously aren't doing what they're meant to do, so whats the point of the money being spent on prisons?

Would be cheaper to get them visa's to live abroad and pay for their one way ticket. Surprised nobody has suggested that yet instead.

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You can't put a price on justice. And, anyway, whose fault is it that it costs £40,000 per year? Successive governments and their do-gooder accomplices who care far more about the rights and comforts of criminals than they do about their victims. I would think that "bed and board" in a hard labour camp with the minimum of creature comforts would cost far less!

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Hard labour camps could quickly escalade into concentration camps, hence why they are avoided.

If there wasn't as many people wanting revenge rather than justice then perhaps we would see hard labour camps still being used, but presently I think they would only cause problems.

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i hope thats not the standard of applicant that gets into uni these days.:rolleyes:

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Well, I am wondering why people are saying prison is pointless but still wanting their money spent on keeping people in prison for life.

I'd find it more understandable if people where saying just hang them or whatever, quick, cheap and saves a lot of wasted time, but I dont quite understand why people want people in prison for life when it costs so much money.

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please list those besides you that think prison is pointless, cos it beats the crap out of me.

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I dont think its pointless, its job is to punish and rehabilitate criminals so they can come back to society. There's no point to it if people just want to lock people up forever just so they dont have to deal with them. There are much cheaper ways of removing people from society than that, which is all locking people up for their entire lives does...

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ok we established that, then WHO are these people? that say prison is pointless.

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If prison isn't rehabilitating people to the point that people want criminals to spend their entire lives in their, technically those people are saying it's pointless.

As far as I am aware the governments main aims surrounding prisons isn't just to punish people, its to deter people, to rehabilitate. If its not doing those things then there is no point to it. The costs aren't worth the result.

I personally think it DOES rehabilitate people, hence why i'm saying don't lock people up for their entire lives.

I dont think I'm getting anywhere with this :rolleyes:

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[quote=blazey;why bother with prisons Surely it would just be wasting money if they weren't ever going to be released?[/quote]


My sentiments exactly .....Hang them

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I knew there'd be one :rolleyes:

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[Would be cheaper to get them visa's to live abroad and pay for their one way ticket. Surprised nobody has suggested that yet instead.[/quote]

Which country would want these murderous yobs?....and why should some other country take our scum?.......there would be a huge uproar if we were expected to accommodate the miscreants from some other country.
Blazey, that is one of the most senseless suggestions you have made to date.

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And if prison really does rehabilitate people, why do so many end up back there?

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Have you got some information we can share why you think that way ?

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Which country would want these murderous yobs?....and why should some other country take our scum?.......there would be a huge uproar if we were expected to accommodate the miscreants from some other country.
Blazey, that is one of the most senseless suggestions you have made to date.[/QUOTE] hence my comment on the standard of uni applicants.;)

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I would hasten to add that I did not post about criminals being given visas and one way tickets to another country - that was Blazey's idea.......the rest of the post is mine, I also take responsibility for suggesting that this was one of the most senseless ideas to date......

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prison is pointless, thats why they should be put down like a savage dog!!

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yep sorry margaret,dont know how i managed that,the top section of that post should not have been in.:o

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Two words. Death penalty.

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you,ll do for me, welcome back:D

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Grazie mille. Good to know there are some on the same page as I. Now, of course, (horrors), over here things would likely have gone down a little differently. Warning to thugs. Thugs go into attack mode. Response.....bang, bang, bang. End of situation.

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We seem to be agreeing more and more cashy, it must be me thats mellowed:D:alright:

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Which country would want these murderous yobs?....and why should some other country take our scum?.......there would be a huge uproar if we were expected to accommodate the miscreants from some other country.
Blazey, that is one of the most senseless suggestions you have made to date.[/quote]

Margaret you disappoint me, i would've thought you of all people would recognise sarcasm.

I am a law student, my future pretty much depends on criminals, why would I want to ship them to somewhere else?

Whilst 57% of prisoners do reoffend, crime rate has fallen by 25% since 1997, and violent crime has fallen by 24%.

That at least shows nearly HALF are rehabilitated, and although it doesnt say how many violent criminals are rehabilitated I'm sure some must fall into that catagory.

43% is better than zero in my opinion, thats 43% who have served the time, got out and are not sucking up nearly £40000 a year in being kept inside.

I know it is fiction, but the film Green Mile is a good example of why we shouldn't use the death penalty. All the evidence was against that man, yet viewers got to see how the evidence was still wrong, and millions cried when that man got put in the chair. People in america are wrongly sentenced to capital punishment but they have nobody to cry for them because nobody can see the truth like a film viewer can. Yet no matter how many people are wrongly put to death, there is always someone somewhere who still thinks its a good idea. Well that kind of stupidity belongs in Texas in my opinion, with the red necks.

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I would suggest they change that to 'reported crime rates have fallen'. Lots of people don't report crime anymore because they know it's a waste of time.

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sadly that is so so true.:(

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Margaret you disappoint me, i would've thought you of all people would recognise sarcasm.[/QUOTE]she probably would have done if you had bothered to put the sarcastic smiley on the end of it, you disappoint me not having the sense to do so, but then my cynicism says it was deliberate.

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Blazey don't try and pull the wool over my eyes....sarcasm, it wasn't...and now you are just trying to back pedal.
There was nothing in that post to suggest it was tongue in cheek, a skit or anything of the kind.

And I suppose the government provided you with all those wholesome statistics that you quoted...I do not believe that the figures have fallen in the way you have reported....maybe they have changed the way the figures are collected........anyway you can make stats show any damn thing you want them to, and the politicians do not want us to believe that they are doing a bad job......what was it that Tony Blair said ?'Tough on Crime.....Tough on the causes of Crime'....don't make me laugh. There are so many criminals about that they are not jailing muggers and robbers, and they are releasing pridsoners with a cash handout because the jails are too full.
And as for your career depending on criminals, I think you are pretty safe to consider that you won't be out of work soon.....there does seem to be an abundance of the criminal classes.

As far as the Film 'Green mile' is concerned, I have never seen it so cannot comment.

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Some time soon you lot are all going to realise that Blazey's ( if it is indeed just her) main aim in life is to wind you all up. The sooner you stop responding like Pavlov's dogs, the sooner she will get fed up and hopefully get on with her studies ! :)