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cashman

21-02-2008 22:08

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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 534615)

So do I Mr C, and I usually treat his rants as such, but insulting the town's war dead is a step too far in my opinion.

agreed................

WillowTheWhisp

21-02-2008 22:27

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 533684)

The article in the Citizen newspaper shows that they have modified the original coat of arms-

Quote-Coun Britcliffe said the cost of the rebrand would be minimal because the crest was already in existence and had been worked on by an in-house graphic designer

The words 'in house' says it all - some local clerk with an artistic bent, has made considerable changes, so that it bears no resemblance to the original coat of arms we remember.

It would be interesting to know whether permission was sought for the changes from the national body who oversees these things - I suspect 'no'

Maybe they have made the coat of arms so similar to one which already exists that it has incensed the member who alleges it is his.

Is this yet another Britcliffe faux pas?

PS why alter it anyway - the original was nicer

So does that mean that the HBC coat of arms isn't one granted by the official bods but a revamp of the old Accy one by somebody who has no authority to do so? In which case shouldn't The Real Michael have brought the matter to the attention of those who would/could do something about it? Why whinge about it on here? If it's really an unofficial creation then it needs to be sorted out. You can't just design yourself a coat of arms and adopt it without official permission. Not even Peter Britcliffe can get away with that surely.

claytonender

22-02-2008 23:57

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 534644)

You can't just design yourself a coat of arms and adopt it without official permission. Not even Peter Britcliffe can get away with that surely.

Well Peter Britcliffe seems to think that he can get away with most other things.

Acrylic-bob

23-02-2008 13:37

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I think the design that Britcliffe referred to was the hideous corporate logo that adorned their letterheads, vans and road signs, you know the stylised deer's head with a background of wavy lines.

MargaretR

23-02-2008 13:48

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 535350)

I think the design that Britcliffe referred to was the hideous corporate logo that adorned their letterheads, vans and road signs, you know the stylised deer's head with a background of wavy lines.

It is about the even newer one they have cobbled together

Acrylic-bob

23-02-2008 14:19

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Actually the one you pictured is the one granted by the Royal College of Heralds at the formation of the borough following local government reoganisation in 1974. It is the same one that hangs from the Mayor's Chain of Office and is painted on the Mayoral Limousine and currently features on the masthead of the council's website.

This is the one Britcliffe referred to.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/gallery....php?file=6684

MargaretR

23-02-2008 14:28

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the other one, which some remember being on the side of our buses was nicer don't you think?

Acrylic-bob

23-02-2008 14:31

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Those are the Arms of the Borough of Accrington Granted by the Royal College of Heralds in the 1870's. Since Accrington is no longer a borough in it's own right, but is part of a larger borough, those arms are now no longer used.

MargaretR

23-02-2008 14:35

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 535414)

Thanks for solving this -- we can now all conclude that the real Michael is ranting about nowt, because our ugly coat of arms, revised in 1974, was officially sanctioned at that time.

Acrylic-bob

23-02-2008 14:39

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That appears to be about the size of it Margaret. I suppose as Armorial bearings go, the newer one is not really that bad, but I do agree the older Accrington Arms have the added benefit of familiarity.

WillowTheWhisp

23-02-2008 14:47

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This one is the irrelevant one because it relates only to Accrington and Accrington Borough no longer exists. However, it is far nicer.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...accrington.jpg

This is quite hideous with the purple and pale blue but if it was granted by the Royal College of Heralds in 1974 then there can't be anything illegal about it can there?

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/a...49121badge.jpg

As for this:

http://www.accringtonweb.com/gallery....php?file=6684

It too has been around since the formation of the Borough of Hyndborg, so what the flippin heck IS the Real Michael on about because I'm still no nearer any awareness of any recently created possibly illegal Coat of Arms.

Could you enlighten us further please Mr. Michael?

MargaretR

23-02-2008 14:51

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Shhhh- we don't want uncivilised nutters on here (we have enough already) :D

cashman

23-02-2008 14:55

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Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 535434)

think he took one flew over the cuckoos nest,literally.:D

Acrylic-bob

23-02-2008 15:27

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When the arms were granted to HBC in 1976 there was also a badge included in the grant.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/gallery...burn_badge.jpg

Neil	23-02-2008 16:05

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Originally Posted by Acrylic-bob (Post 535481)

When the arms were granted to HBC in 1976 there was also a badge included in the grant.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/gallery...burn_badge.jpg

Which is where the nodding donkey comes from I presume. It is a simplified version of the above badge.

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