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Should we have it or not?

I think we should have it because of its BBC parliament and such which I find vital to my degree. However personally I don't watch much else on there. Should we simply just be paying less? Or should the BBC be forced to get money from advertising like every other station?

What really annoys me is that I'm being inundated with letters from them demanding I buy a licence and that they're coming round to conduct an investigation.

I don't have a tv, nor any other receiving equipment (I use iPlayer to watch things which are not live and don't require a tv licence). I don't feel I should be presumed guility simply because there is no licence at my address. The letters are rather threatening, why should I be under investigation and have presumed guilt.

The police don't send letters to everyone asking if they've committed a crime, resulting in investigations of everyone in the country. It's just totally unncessary. Not to mention a huge great waste of paper.

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oh god dont mention Tv licence to me!
mines due at the end of feb and have to pay out £136 nearly:eek:

its not worth it!
they should just advertise on bbc like the rest do!
it will be going up again in april ....for what???, a load of ****e on telly:(

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Don't see why you should get so uppity Cyfr .. the cost on checking people even if they haven't got a telly, will still outweigh the ones that have and don't buy a licence, which puts the cost of those that have one and buy a licence . :pwacko: Well, I know what I mean anyway..:D

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For now .

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This is from the TV licensing website

SO is it only iPlayer you watch or do you occasionally break the law and watch live programmes from ITV or maybe you are a Big Brother fan and watch 24/7 online?

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I personally think it is a waste of money,like many people i have talked to i don't watch a lot of programmes on the BBC,i have sky and tend to watch whats on there.
I think it is wrong that people pay a subscription for sky and pay the tv licence.
I wouldn't mind more adverts if it meant we didn't have to pay.

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TV Licensing - TV Licence Information
Ignore - others got there 1st

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I agree with this.... we pay for sky and we pay for BBC .....sommet not quite right there :rolleyes: But no-one challenges it, so they just get on with it, same as everything else in this sh!te hole of a country.

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I'm proud to pay for a channel with international respect - and I'm proud to pay for a channel that flies the British flag with integrity. Admittedly Saturday night television can be a little tawdry but we pay for some excellent reporting and some very interesting programmes for a wide range of people.

In fact, I'd be embarrassed to have the British Broadcasting Corporation reduced to petty adverts and product placement just to get by. Look at all the citations on Wikipedia that come from the BBC, look at the amount of pages on digg and StumbleUpon that link to the BBC. We have a company that has real respect, and I don't want to ruin that by not paying a petty liscence fee.

The strong-arm tactics to get them out of us, however, are counterproductive at best.

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have always resented the TV, license, as others have said garbage shown in the main, BBC World News is shown all over Europe,probably further afield, they do not have to pay for that "Dubious" privalige, they should stand or fall by advertising as other channels.:(

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oh bloody hell another student....:rolleyes:...........

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As soon as advertising is involved the BBC would shoot downhill. You'd get nothing on BBC Four about art or politics or music, the whole thing would go the way of BBC Three. BBC Parliament would be down the pan. I wouldn't want to lose things like that.

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I think that we should first deal with the myth that the BBC equals the TV licence.

IT DOESN’T!

If the BBC suddenly ceased to exist today there would still be a TV license to buy. In the same way that we buy a Road Fund License for our motorised vehicle to enable us to legally use the public highway.

You need a license to own a firearm.
A pub landlord needs a license to sell liquor as does any premises that sells booze.
A pub needs a license to play music in the pub.
A tobacconist needs a license to sell tobacco products.
You need a license to operate a HAM radio or a CB radio.
There was a time when people had to have a dog license to keep a dog.
We even had to have a license to listen to the radio whether it was from a ‘proper’ wireless set or as ‘cable’ radio from Uni-Relay or Rediffusion etc.
We need a license for a variety of things and they are issued by the government and the government gets the money.

In the case of the TV license much of the revenue generated goes to fund the BBC and the BBC is charged with collecting the license fee. If the BBC didn’t do it the government would set up yet another QUANGO to collect the license money and probably a different Quango to check on who has and has not got a license.

If there were no TV license fee (and it would take a change in the law for that to happen) the funding of the BBC would still have to be made from the public purse – that’s you and me. OK! So let the BBC stand on its own two feet as it were. That means that it would become a private enterprise and any profits would go to shareholders and fat cat bosses.

It is difficult to get hold of the actual figures but the BBC does make a profit from the programmes that are sold to other TV companies and all over the world.

Currently £135.50 (that’s a fraction over 37p per day) it represents extremely good value when you tot up what we get for it.

With the digibox we can view more than 30 channels for FREE or rather for 37p per day. We can also listen to any radio station that we can pick up. Many of them are BBC local radio stations.

Read all about the license fee at http://www.bbc.co.uk/info/licencefee/

If you watch just one film per day you are making a profit on the deal. 37p to watch a film in the comfort of your home as opposed to several pounds to watch it in a cinema. Not that there are many of them left now.

Last weekend I watched THREE FA cup matches and it only cost me 74p. On Tuesday I watched a European Cup game for 37p and any second now I’m going to watch the Uefa Cup match on channel 5 for another 37p. Beat that for value.

Even if the license fee went up to £1 a day (£365pa) it would still be the best value ever.

So I vote a resounding YES! Keep the TV license fee.

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I'm with Rosencrantz ... good lad.. x

Nowt wrong with students Panther .. they are our future, even though they sometimes have radical thoughts .. :D

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I didn't even know ITV did live programmes over the internet and no I don't watch big brother, certainly not online 24/7, I have better things to do.

I don't watch live streams as they appear on TV, this would require a licence. BBC iPlayer, PMQ's etc do not as I watch them after they have been broadcast.

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the tv licence has no real place in modern times since the invent of satellite broadcasting.:mad:

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you shouldn't even be paying now jambutty, pensioners get buggar all in this country, a free license would not go amiss, bloody hell pensioners get free holidays off the government in spain, here???:confused:

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Jambutty your post is rather pedantic and misguided.

If the BBC were to be made private, we wouldn't have to pay so much in licence fees. I think everyone understands that the TV licence fee is the same as paying the BBC in all but its name.

Your calculations are quite simply very theoretical. It might well be cheaper if you watch one film a day, but who does watch one film a day on the BBC? The point is you're forced to pay £130 no matter how much you watch it.

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Thats what the documentary and music channels are for.

For the price of the TV license you could get Sky or Virgin.

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What a strange idea!


:alright:

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I LOATHE ads ---- so voted for the fee.
When you use the radio facilities as well it worth it

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Except that BBC radio stations are drivel.

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only 1 of them i listen too very occasionally, rest are crap.

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Deh ...... sorry, you exasperate me at times Neil. So go on, which Radio Stations do you consider are not drivel ?

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I listen to Rock FM in the car, mainly because I can hear it all the way to work.

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i have a license but this didnt stop numerous threatening letters coming to my house demanding that i get one- the letters werent adressed to me but as there were so many and they were getting a deeper shade of red around the envelope window i decided to see what was going on - somebody had bought a tv and given my address when purchasing - i rang tv licensing to ask why . my answer was i dont know and they suggested i ring the store where it was purchased to sort it out . i cannot put my reply in here! i havent had any letters since though.

when i first got my own house i didnt have a tv for about 3 years- i couldnt afford one let alone the license it didnt stop the license people insisting that they come in and look around which they did -every room - every cupboard and even the back yard they didnt find anything yet still said they will call back at some point to do a spot check - did they think i had sprinted up the road with it in my dressing gown in the time it took for me to answer the door ?? who knows !

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Well, you can hear all the BBC programmes no matter where you travel in the country .. and believe me I do know.

Rock FM just music .. although cool .. no wider spectrum as such to suit all tastes .. argument dismissed ! :D:p

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Sorry, double post thingy .

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If they come back Lisa tell them to bogg off. They have no right to enter your house.

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Not at all, when the license is dropped and it will be in time, I am sure many BBC stations will shut down. That will just leave a gap in the market or other stations to start up.


And less of the cheek or I might change my mind and not help you out at the next meet :rolleyes::D

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I agree with paying for the tv licence. How many programmes like Blue Planet would be made if it was a commercial enterprise. Just think on how many years it took to make that for it to come to tv. Then you have question time, the news, top gear, masterchef, etc. Sorry but i think it is good value for money. If you go into it - tv programmes are sold abroad like blue planet etc and its bringing the money in to make the next lot of programmes. Our tv licence aint that much if you think about how much you use bbc for the radio and for tv - even sky and bskyb etc show old bbc programmes which they bought from the bbc. Even though we moan about it - we would moan even more if we had to watch the adverts etc on bbc 1 and 2.

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Can remember when my mum died - she was over 75 so had the free tv licence, about a month later a thread was started about the tv licence - i realised i didnt have one so signed up online for one.

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Loads, look at all the National Geo and Discovery programmes that are made.

Top gear, there are shed loads of car programmes on the commercial channels. We are probably one of the only countries in the world with this silly old idea. The funny thing is that Sky UK is classed as the worlds best and that is commercial.

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and neil how many of old bbc programmes are shown on sky?

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Pleased you put up such a constructive post Shill .. thank you .. agree with every word you have said.

It's the licence dodgers that are a pain in the rearend, causing us virtuous payers to pay more !!

And Neil .. What makes you think I am a charity case and need any help in the area you suggest ... :silly: :D

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Yes loads of them. Do you think that without the BBC no TV programs whould be made anymore. Of course they would. In fact they may make better ones because they have to make money. I don't like privatised companies (on the whole) because they don't need that survival instinct that makes you want to perform.

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I know they will. How do itv etc go on they dont show old bbc programmes as such do they. Have you not seen what people from abroad say about our bbc - they say we are lucky to have such a broadcaster.

Was reading a newspaper story about the Life in cold blood series - with sir david attenborough and he said we are lucky to have the bbc otherwise programmes like this wouldnt be made because commercial companys wouldnt go the whole hog for lizards reptiles etc because theyre not cuddly monkeys etc.

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So before Sky came along you didnt watch tv, didnt listen to radio 1 etc

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I think that is all part of it, things change, so should the BBC.

Attenborough would say that, he works for the BBC. Just look at other documentaries, there are other good ones made as well.

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Primarily I would watch ITV, but then I would say that, it's true however.

I did/do watch BBC programmes, I may as well, I pay through the nose for the privilege.

Apply the argument to other walks of life. Would you be happy to have your windows cleaned and have to pay for it without asking for the service, whether a good job was done or not ?

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lol dont worry neil - that was about ten years ago ( and i'm still waiting )- i am a little wiser and - thank god better off than i was back then

(its also for reasons such as these that i didnt get a cat as a pet ):dogrun::D

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if we didn,nt have the bbc we would have cr** tv on every channel.where else would we get educational programmes not influenced by commercial companies and can be held accountable to the licence payer,you dont get that with sky or any other commercial channel they just find new ways to rip you off and put more crap on....

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what exactly are you on?:D

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Yes i know other documentaries are made that are good - by other people than sir david attenborough but that stuck in my mind seeing as this one is on tv at the minute.

You are saying though the bbc has to move through the times it has hasnt it - with bbc 3 and 4 i dont know i dont have digital so dont watch them.

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maybe they should have bbc channels as an additional choice like sky packages problem is they know that most people wouldnt choose those channels and so instead hold us to ransom
but like has been said - we would only be charged for something else

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your licence fee doesnt just cover the tv channels its also for the radio as well keetah

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i know its missing the point but i dont listen to the radio but i didnt know that ( although i think my eyes skimmed it further up the thread - i should take more notice eh ?)

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Why should we have to pay for a licence to recieve any broadcast transmissions, in any waveband whether Radio or TV. The goverment has no control over the radio spectrum outside Gt Britain, they are broadcast from every country in the world. Could they stop these transmissions reaching us, jamming would be too expensive, and broadcasters would object, anyway it would interfere with the governments secret listening stations.
Again its rip off Britain, the govenment of any denomination's main objective is to ensure the working man leaves this world as he came into it. NAKED and PENNYLESS.
Retlaw.

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I dont watch TV other than specific programmes which I cant get because I am not a Sky customer. I would rather pay to watch TV for an hour on the internet than pay a fixed fee for fixed channels.

So I will continue to watch my programmes my own way until the cater for people like me.

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to my mind all those who are against the BBC have never been subjected to 100% commercial television , (ie American TV ) designed by idiots for idiots with attention spans of less than 10 minutes , (40 minutes of programing and 20 minutes of ads every hour )

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when i 1st came to england and lived here i was gobsmacked to hear that u have to pay to wacth tv, in spain we dont pay to wacth it, not even now with the digibox and other tv companies, we do pay for things like virgin or sky but not the tv licence, im surprised we dont need a licence to breath

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I voted no, because, its not worth, and as saying its a flag ship, it must be the Titanic. I have Sky and if I don't pay my monthly fee, they cut it of. So any one who wants the BBC the answers simple, use the sky system, if you want BBC then you pay for it and be proud to do so, if you don't then the beeb can make sure you don't get it, problem solved;)

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I'm really suprised Thatcher didn't get her hands on the BBC, particularly because of the supposed left-wing bias of it's news coverage, and which to all intents and purposes is a nationalised company. After all her government privatised everything else.

Why should we have to pay to support a company which is funded by a licence fee, and which through it's World Service broadcasts programmes in Ukranian, for example? The Ukranians certainly don't have to pay to listen to it, but sadly we do.

Are Messrs Ross and Norton worth their £18 and £13 million pound respective salaries? Who knows, as this isn't an open market, it's a closed shop, using money raised by us.

It should sink or swim on it's own merits, and as for the quality of the programmes, for every Attenborough documentary there's also a Fame Accadamy, or whatever the latest thing is they've copied off ITV.

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I dont have a TV and up until the last few months, have been absolutely hounded by TV licensing - mainly by post, although they have received an equally potent reply every time.

As i work in Manchester I tend to get back fairly late and I spend most of my time doing my Open Uni work on the computer if im not out. Anything I watch is either on DVD (in the main), football in the pub or if I watch online, I might watch Prime Ministers questions on Iplayer once I've got home from work.

It must have cost TV Livensing hundreds pursuing me for my fee so i just feel for the genuine license holders who have to pay for it!

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When I lived in Belthorn I had two cottages knocked into one - nos 8 & 10
I had one licence for no 8 - the door to no 10 had been converted to a window. I got pestered to get a licence for no 10 for 3 years - always told them the score - the pestering eventually stopped.

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Cyfr you are spouting a load of crap as usual and you could do well to determine the meaning of pedantic and misguided before using them.

However it is comforting to know that you are privy to government thinking in that if the BBC was made private the license fee WOULD BE REDUCED. The arrogance? Sheeesh!

That is the problem with people - they have made the connection between the license fee and the BBC and just refuse to accept that it is tenuous at best. THE LICENSE MONEY GOES TO THE GOVERNMENT. IT COSTS A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF MONEY TO RUN THE BBC AND THE GOVERNMENT MAKES A GRANT TO THE BBC TO ENABLE IT TO RUN. THERE IS NO DIRECT CORRELATION BETWEEN THE LICENSE FEES AND BBC FUNDING.

Calculations theoretical eh? Now let me see dividing the license fee of £135.50 by the number of days in a normal year (365) is a fraction over 37p per day. To be really pedantic about it, it is 37.1232877p per day. No theory there, just plain FACT. But then you do seem to have difficulty from distinguishing between fact and theory. Your comments are quite simply theatrical.:rofl38::rofl38:

Try one film per week. It would still be cheaper (£2.60) than one ticket in a cinema.

The real point is, that you cannot seem to grasp, the law of the land decrees that in order to have apparatus that can receive TV programmes installed in your house you must have a TV license. Whether you watch it or not or which channels, is completely irrelevant. If you have a working apparatus you must have a license. If you don’t want to pay the license fee then don’t have such an apparatus. It’s not rocket science.

Now toddle off to mummy and get your nappy changed.:dummy2:

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If you haven’t asked for a TV service to be provided I assume that you do not have a TV set. So if you do not have a TV set you do not need to buy a license.

Do you have a car? If so then you need a Road Fund License to use it on the public highway.

It’s no different.

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One person’s crap is another’s wonderful programme.

I consider soaps, reality TV, cookery, programmes about buying houses abroad and most quizzes as utter bilge. However I do acknowledge that probably millions cannot live without soaps etc.

But I know where the off button is and being exceptionally clever I also know how to use the remote control to find a programme that does interest me. But then my life is NOT RULED by TV.

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Just a point to all those commercial channel lovers.

They are financed by the advertising revenue where the adverts are so brutally broken up by programmes.

Where do you think the money comes from to pay for the advertising?

It comes from the sale of the products that WE BUY. It is our money that is breaking up programmes so that we can view an advert that we have paid for. Talk about having your cake and eating it.

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With an attitude like yours you must have received a few fat lips in your time.

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How else do you propose companies tell us about the products that we want to buy?

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Shopping existed BEFORE commercial tv :(

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Why must I???

Oh! I forgot you know everything.:tongueout

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I don’t propose anything other than the TV license is exceptional value and I’ve already explained why I think so.

You on the other hand cannot accept that other people can have their own opinions on an issue and when they are different to yours they are wrong and you a right.

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Sorry Margaret you are correct, lets go back a few decades to how it was. Can someone explain how I fill this magnifying thingy up with water to make my TV screen bigger, todays hour of TV is starting soon.

Get with it, things change. The TV license/tax whatever you call it is there mainly to fund the BBC. I think it's time for them to sink or swim on there own.

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Sounds fair to, I don't like monopolies, like Sky.

I still think they should ditch it though.

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£135 is a lot of money all at once but I pay mine monthly to break it up. It only costs me about £12 a month which doesn't seem bad for all the programmes we enjoy.

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It does if you are already paying £40 or £50 to Sky to watch it already.

Not that I am, I ditched Sky a while ago.

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Blimey, that's a lot of money!

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It is and many people are paying that much for Sky and the license fee

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No licence fee equals no funding for the B.B.C.

Simple.

I notice that no defenders of the current system have commented on the fact that we pay for foreign language broadcasts to the rest of the world on the B.B.C,and which they get to listen to for free.

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bet those defenders had no idea? i certainly didn't,thanks for the ammo.:D

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I thought I hadn't seen their replies because I hit the off button when they're on.:D

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I think the BBC gets funding or did at one time , from the foriegn office budget for its overseas broadcasts as part of the Govt. propaganda program, much like Voice of America, DW (German radio) , Radio France and Radio Moscow ;)

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The cost of producing newspapers/magazines certainly isn't covered by the retail price.

It's all from advertising.

If you don't want to see them just flick over, like you can do with commercial television.

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The same F.O. which is funded by the British tax payer, so all these Johnny foreigners can listen to programmes we've paid for?:rolleyes::D

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'BBC World Service's broadcasting costs are met by a separate Parliamentary grant-in-aid, totalling £252m in 2007/08.'


BBC - Press Office - World Service information pack Constitution and Funding


...and all for free, for everyone else around the world to listen to.

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From the same link.

'The announcement formally confirmed £15m per annum funding for a BBC news and information television channel in the Farsi (Persian) language for Iran which will be launched next year.'

Good new all round then, if you're Iranian.

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Yes and no. I have read it cost's a couple of pence to print a newspaper. They make several times the selling price on each one sold due to advertising.

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...and who pays the journalists, illustrators, photographers etc., their lovely big salaries, nevermind the shareholders?

Don't argue with me, I'm always right.:D

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reading that is very annoying. Why would I want my tax/license fee to be used to provide free TV to the people we are at war with in the middle east?

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I'm sure I knew exactly what I was saying with those words.

Writing it in red capital letters doesn't make it more correct you know. How can you not see. The government takes a licence fee, then the BBC gets a grant from the government, can you guess where the money for the grant comes from? This is clearly us funding the BBC and I'm sure every other person will read the post and see it for themselves whether they agree with the fee or not.

Yes it IS theory. Your assuming people will use the 37p a day watching a film on the BBC. In practice people don't do that.

Also comparing BBC on your tv to the cinema is.. well do I even need to explain why that's a bad comparison?

I understand the law of the land, if you read my earlier posts I'm quite aware of what is and isn't allowed, hence I only use BBC iPlayer.

The real point is that we have MP's and a parliament to amend and create laws. I'm not advocating breaking the law, I'm saying lets discuss the possibility of changing it.

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..but if you work out the price per day, I'm sure you'll find it's worth every penny, or rial as it is in Iran...if they were paying for it.:D

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I can't help but feel that the journalistic and documentary integrity of the BBC would be damaged by privatization. Like someone quite correctly pointed out earlier, documentary channels want things about cuddly monkeys and giant squid fighting whales, stuff to draw the average goon away from Neighbours (I love Neighbours, ha) and onto things that are cute or fight.

Although we do have some of these now, I think stuff like Big Cat Diary or Springwatch or some of Attenborough's documentaries would get immediately scrapped. And imagine BBC news reporting Paris Hilton over something like a foreign political assassination just because they needed to ratings to stay afloat? Do we, as a country, honestly want to put our name to a travesty like that?

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Yes, because I don't think that would happen. I can watch TV from all over Europe, when something big happens on the news like the assassination like you mention, all the news channels cover it. They also show things on the news we dare not for the sake of upsetting us soft British.

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I sometimes watch Euronews -- when BBC News 24 and Sky News are reporting loads of sports junk. Sports 'news' is not proper news.

CNN is OK when some major world catastrophe happens. but the yankee accent soon begins to grate on me. Most of their women reporters screech, not speak. The only yank woman tv journalist who is nice to hear is that News 24 woman correspondent in Pakistan

Radio 4 is nice for when there is tripe on TV - if only to have the lovely sound of their softly spoken estuary accents - even the shipping forecast is music to the ears.

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The other side of the coin is that we can listen to foreign broadcasts. Radio waves do not recognise international boundaries.

We are not the only country in the world that pays a license fee to listen to and view broadcasts.

Whilst serving in the Royal Navy we listened to the BBC World Service for news of home. We have forces committed all over the world and they, no doubt, tune in from time to time as do ex-pats.

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I sometimes wonder whether the BBC has entirely given up on the concept of the Empire, particularly when it comes to the World Service.

The other thing that annoys me is that when they are bleating for more money they use the public service broadcasting argument, you know the one, "we make programmes that commercial broadcasters can't afford to.", and then, when they have got the money, calmly tell us that there will be even more repeats and less of the "Public Service" programming.

And I am sorry but, giving Jonathan Ross a contract for £18,000,000 over three years shows just how irresponsible the BBC are with our money.

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I agree - I find his speech impediment irritating -- too many announcers, presenters, commentators are employed by their looks and their voice quality (or lack of it) is ignored.

Mr Woss fulfils neither criterion

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its not just me that the creep bugs then.:D

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I bet there aren't many lads and lasses on British ships tuning in to listen to programmes in Farsi.

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Too old for Blue Peter now?

Blue Peter admits phone-in fake - Times Online

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I'm not sure Blue Peter really counts as a show where journalistic integrity is vital to the programme ;)