Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 535465)

To bring this thread back to where it started. Loz talked about extreme cases.

Well just over 60 years ago if you were Jewish in a european country you were forced to wear a Star of David on your outer garments, these poor people were treated to horrific crimes against humanity, all because of religion.

Now let us say we have a rather strong Right Wing government in power, say the one Nick Griffin is the leader of. You now know the ethnic origin of every single one of us, so you now have the power to round up people who don't conform to your ideals.
It has happend before and over 6,000,000 people were murdered, we start down this slippery slope it will happen again.
This argument about crime, is utter rubbish, DNA alone cannot be used to convict, all it shows is that you were in the area, or you touched someone at the time. And finally do you REALLY, REALLY trust this or any future government with your most personal details, your biological database, the blueprint to your being. I don't

Originally Posted by Less (Post 535372)

If a DNA data base or Identity cards where to be used to prevent crime, then I say bring it on, (anything that stops even one rape or murder must be worthwhile), but if it is just going to be used to keep law abiding citizens in line, then I'm against it.

If the Authorities want to keep my details on a data base so that my, your, everyones daughter is safer from attack, it is a good thing, (I for one would be in a queue voluntarily if that helped them stop some sick soul from being allowed to strike again).
If however they want me to pay for it, forget it, you can stick your I.D. card where the sun don't shine, if it's important enough to issue then issue it, if I also have to pay for it, take me to court 'cos I ain't going to!

A touch contrary I know, but it shouldn't be considered as an expense that needs to be suffered by the individual, it should be offered like a badge of honour, look at me I've been to the DNA centre had all the tests and they have issued me a card saying I've a clean bill of health.

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz (Post 535388)

I think it's impossible to have one without the other. The police are there to stop crime, but they also keep law-abiding citizens in line. My issue is that this is like a balance - how much freedom do you want to give up to stop crime. The problem is that if we say that anything that stops one rape or murder is worthwhile then that allows crazy amounts of personal intervention. What about being filmed while you're getting changed at a swimming pool? What about being filmed on the toilet in case you do something untoward?

That's not a direction I want to head in.

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz (Post 535338)

A DNA database is too much of a sacrifice of personal liberty to justify solving a few cases, in my opinion. It's one step away from simply videotaping everyone constantly so we solve every single crime ever.

To quote Benjamin Franklin, "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 535476)

Aren't we at war now?

Originally Posted by Trentster (Post 535517)

You've obviously never needed DNA results to prove a crime.......you only need to look in todays papers to prove that it does and should work....

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 535521)

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 535521)

Originally Posted by Rosencrantz (Post 535527)

Haha, yes. I wonder how we kill terrorism? Does it have something we can shoot at? Where should we send the nuke to destroy terrorism? Ludicrous :p

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 535572)

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 535554)

I can see you are a newish member mate so I will give you some some advice, don't bother replying to jambutty. He is always right and becomes grumpy and rather ignorant if you suggest he is wrong.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 535554)

I can see you are a newish member mate so I will give you some some advice, don't bother replying to jambutty. He is always right and becomes grumpy and rather ignorant if you suggest he is wrong.

Originally Posted by WillowTheWhisp (Post 535572)