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Lolly 26-03-2008 09:57

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A man claims to be pregnant (He is a pre-op transgender, but decided to keep his female reproductive organs.) If it is true then the medical system is horrible for discriminating. I wouldn't have a problem with it, if its the only way for them to have a child then why the hell not??

I do feel a bit sorry for the child though if anyone found out when it was older. That would probably lead to serious bullying.

Man claims he's pregnant | The Sun |HomePage|News

grannyclaret 26-03-2008 10:00

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sorry but nature has gone mad

jaysay 26-03-2008 10:07

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 552044)
sorry but nature has gone mad

It went mad a long time since GC:rolleyes:

AccyLass 26-03-2008 10:16

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How on earth did the "wife" get the "female husband" pregnant???

They are both female for god sake!

Hmmm the mind baffles

BERNADETTE 26-03-2008 10:19

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Sick is the word for it

andrewb 26-03-2008 10:22

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Originally Posted by AccyLass27 (Post 552054)
How on earth did the "wife" get the "female husband" pregnant???

They are both female for god sake!

Hmmm the mind baffles

Maybe the wife is a pre-op woman that was a man!

blazey 26-03-2008 10:32

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Turkey Baster?

AccyLass 26-03-2008 10:35

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Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 552059)
Maybe the wife is a pre-op woman that was a man!

Maybe, maybe


What is the most common pregnancy craving ?

For men to be the ones who get pregnant

MargaretR 26-03-2008 10:37

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another immaculate conception :rolleyes:

emamum 26-03-2008 10:37

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personally dont see what all the fuss is about!
the wife is female, it says in the report.
Basically all this is is 2 lesbians having a baby, whats wrong with that?

lancsdave 26-03-2008 10:37

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At long last we will have a man to prove that this giving birth stuf isn't as hard work as women make out :rofl38::rofl38:

Lolly 26-03-2008 10:38

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 552058)
Sick is the word for it

Why is it sick?? They aren't harming anyone. They obviously want to be parents very much and would probably dote on their child.

Gay men and women have children. So why not these?

Yolanda25 26-03-2008 11:03

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552067)
personally dont see what all the fuss is about!
the wife is female, it says in the report.
Basically all this is is 2 lesbians having a baby, whats wrong with that?


Yeah thats true but hw did the man become pregnant, did he cheat on his wife? :confused:

emamum 26-03-2008 11:06

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they planned it so i am assuming it was artificial insemination.

Lolly 26-03-2008 11:06

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Originally Posted by Yolanda25 (Post 552081)
Yeah thats true but hw did the man become pregnant, did he cheat on his wife? :confused:

Was probably a Sperm Donor.

jaysay 26-03-2008 11:18

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 552068)
At long last we will have a man to prove that this giving birth stuf isn't as hard work as women make out :rofl38::rofl38:

Tell you what dave your a very brave man, I was going to say that but daren't:eek::eek::eek:

panther 26-03-2008 11:18

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The other woman cant be a lesbian!
if she is then why would she want the girlfriend to change to a man???
might as well go out and get a fella!

also if the "fella wanabe" wants to be a man then why on earth did she/he decide to carry the child...(be the one to get pregnant)....daft buggers!....LOL

panther 26-03-2008 11:19

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oh and the fella...whatever he/she wants to be...is a woman and always will be....whether she has a doodle fitted or not:D

jaysay 26-03-2008 11:22

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Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 552083)
Was probably a Sperm Donor.

I once offered to be a donor, but when I got there I changed my mind I said they'd have to have draught instead:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

garinda 26-03-2008 11:28

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Reading more about this, the person is still genetically a woman, albeit one who has had a masectomy, and for a while took male hormones.

panther 26-03-2008 11:29

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IMO, she will always be a woman......you are what ya born with;)

garinda 26-03-2008 11:30

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Everyday somebody with a moustache gets pregnant, they are called Italian women.

(Appologies to my best friend Milly, if she ever reads this.):D

Less 26-03-2008 11:30

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552067)
personally dont see what all the fuss is about!
the wife is female, it says in the report.
Basically all this is is 2 lesbians having a baby, whats wrong with that?

Let's transpose the question shall we emamum?

This is is 2 lesbians having a baby, what's right with that?

panther 26-03-2008 11:32

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In the future we will not need men to have kids....:D:D:D...then what ya gonna do chaps??...LOL....it will be a all woman world;)

garinda 26-03-2008 11:32

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 552094)
IMO, she will always be a woman......you are what ya born with;)

So a baby who undergoes surgery for a cleft palate, or curvature of the spine, for example, will always have those conditions on your eyes?

panther 26-03-2008 11:33

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NOOOOO, I meant down below!!....;)

LYNX1 26-03-2008 11:38

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Good luck to them.........as long as the child is loved, that's all that matters

emamum 26-03-2008 11:44

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[QUOTE=Less;552096]Let's transpose the question shall we emamum?

This is is 2 lesbians having a baby, what's right with that?[/QUOT

your sexual preferences should not determine whether you should have children or not! They have gone through a lot to have this baby, the baby is wanted and 2 parents are involved. Is that not better than a young girl getting pregnant accidentaly and the father running away?

EVERYONE has the right to be a parent!!!!

would you rather they lived unhappily in a straight relationship and brought children into that?

This is just another example of the stupid prejudice we see so much and i personally am sick of it!

Everybody has the right to be who they are and to be happy, and we should just leave them to it! None of our business!


*i think sexual preferences not how i meant to explain it but i am soooooo angry right now i cant think straight!!*

garinda 26-03-2008 11:46

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 552099)
NOOOOO, I meant down below!!....;)

So a baby born a hermaphrodite, with both male and female genitalia, and who is operated on, after having it's blood tested to see which gender's hormones are most prevalant, will always be classed as neither one thing or the other, in your eyes?

This is not uncommon, by the way, you should talk to Lettie.

jackyalex 26-03-2008 12:01

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 552092)
Reading more about this, the person is still genetically a woman, albeit one who has had a masectomy, and for a while took male hormones.

Why any woman would choose to take pills that will give her extra hair is beyond me

As for her having a baby, i have no problem with that, she has kept her parts to have a baby, she is still a woman with added extras

Lolly 26-03-2008 12:08

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 552086)
The other woman cant be a lesbian!
if she is then why would she want the girlfriend to change to a man???
might as well go out and get a fella!

also if the "fella wanabe" wants to be a man then why on earth did she/he decide to carry the child...(be the one to get pregnant)....daft buggers!....LOL

He had to carry the child because his wife has had a hysterectomy.

grannyclaret 26-03-2008 12:18

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552067)
personally dont see what all the fuss is about!
the wife is female, it says in the report.
Basically all this is is 2 lesbians having a baby, whats wrong with that?

its sick thats all.....poor little kid

emamum 26-03-2008 12:20

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but why is it sick?

BERNADETTE 26-03-2008 13:39

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Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 552069)
Why is it sick?? They aren't harming anyone. They obviously want to be parents very much and would probably dote on their child.

Gay men and women have children. So why not these?

I can't believe you don't see any harm in this. How do you think the child will feel when it finds out that it's daddy was the one who gave birth to him/her. Kids have enough to deal with and this is enough to harm any child when they find out.

garinda 26-03-2008 14:19

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According to this the 'father' was a turkey baster.

American man claims to be six months pregnant with a baby girl | the Daily Mail

Lolly 26-03-2008 14:23

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 552145)
I can't believe you don't see any harm in this. How do you think the child will feel when it finds out that it's daddy was the one who gave birth to him/her. Kids have enough to deal with and this is enough to harm any child when they find out.

If it was me I wouldn't tell the child until they were old enough to fully understand. If I was the child it wouldn't bother me in the slightest as long as I had two parents who loved me and brought me up well, so what?? To be honest I'd just be happy to know my father, some of us haven't had that luxury in life.

emzy 26-03-2008 14:37

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I dont think that I agree or disagree with what they have done. My thought is how the child is going to take it when they are older and also how it will deal with the agro it WILL get when it is older

BERNADETTE 26-03-2008 15:09

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Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 552162)
If it was me I wouldn't tell the child until they were old enough to fully understand. If I was the child it wouldn't bother me in the slightest as long as I had two parents who loved me and brought me up well, so what?? To be honest I'd just be happy to know my father, some of us haven't had that luxury in life.

Well we will agree to disagree on this one. I find it hard to believe the child will not be affected.

Less 26-03-2008 15:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552104)

EVERYONE has the right to be a parent!!!!



*i think sexual preferences not how i meant to explain it but i am soooooo angry right now i cant think straight!!*

No, every one doesn't have the right to be a parent, parenthood is a natural thing, for a 'normal couple'.
If however that couple are, 'not normal', and here I class normal to be male & female, A lesbian couple or a gay couple in all practicalities cannot produce a child, that is a sacrifice they must make to be accepted as 'normal' for them in my eyes.
If lesbians and gays can find love together fine I've no problem, when they introduce into that factor a child that has to grow up with 'artificial', parents then I'm sorry the couple are not being responsible, they are producing a living being to fulfil their needs, that is selfish.

Why are you angry? Is there something you are fighting for that you already know is wrong?
:confused:

emamum 26-03-2008 15:36

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who are you to say whats 'normal'?

Being Gay does not take away their ability to have children or be good parents! in fact i know same sex couples that are fantastic parents, better than those that churn out children because they have nothing better to do then have them taken into care!

I am angry that yet again people are being small minded and showing prejudice!

Reidy 26-03-2008 15:39

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This is one of those subjects that i think there is no right and no wrong answer for, each person has thier own view and opinions on what is right or wrong but neither persons views would be correct in the others eyes, its a no win argument!!

Lolly 26-03-2008 15:42

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 552204)
No, every one doesn't have the right to be a parent, parenthood is a natural thing, for a 'normal couple'.
If however that couple are, 'not normal', and here I class normal to be male & female, A lesbian couple or a gay couple in all practicalities cannot produce a child, that is a sacrifice they must make to be accepted as 'normal' for them in my eyes.
If lesbians and gays can find love together fine I've no problem, when they introduce into that factor a child that has to grow up with 'artificial', parents then I'm sorry the couple are not being responsible, they are producing a living being to fulfil their needs, that is selfish.

Why are you angry? Is there something you are fighting for that you already know is wrong?
:confused:

I'm sorry but that thinking is exactly why its taken so long for civil partnerships & gay couples being allowed to adopt. And quite frankly I think its pathetic!! Who are you to say how a couple, be they what you'd call "normal" or not, would be as parents??

So a "normal" couple who produce a child aren't fulfilling their needs are they not? And what about gay couples who adopt? Are they being selfish? They aren't giving a needy child a chance at a better life?

I know a gay couple (men) who have had a child, its one of the couples biologically, and they are two of the best parents I know. The child is happy, healthy and bright. And even at 5 years old understands that his family is a bit different.

Less 26-03-2008 15:57

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552211)
who are you to say whats 'normal'?

Being Gay does not take away their ability to have children or be good parents! in fact i know same sex couples that are fantastic parents, better than those that churn out children because they have nothing better to do then have them taken into care!

I am angry that yet again people are being small minded and showing prejudice!

Nothing I have said is against 'gays', all I'm against is the silly people that seem to think that same sex partnerships can and should produce children.

There are many gay couples that had 'normal' partnerships before they got together and they are still good parents, sometimes better than most. But once a person goes down the road of same sex relationships surely parenthood should not even be considered?

If it was natural, (same sex conception, not same sex,sex), then there would be teenage homosexuals getting caught out with unwanted pregnancies by experimenting just as 'normal', teenage couples are to this day?

emamum 26-03-2008 16:00

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So what your suggesting is that they 'play straight' produce a couple of kids and THEN have a same sex realationship?

Less 26-03-2008 16:04

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552235)
So what your suggesting is that they 'play straight' produce a couple of kids and THEN have a same sex realationship?

Don't talk wet, you know that's not what I mean.

emamum 26-03-2008 16:17

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thats what it looks like.....

so to recap...people are allowed to be gay,
they are allowed to have children just not bring them into a same sex relationship instead they must live a lie and damage their children by playing straight and then all of a sudden one day announcing that they are actually gay? hows that for you Less/

Personally i think finding out that you dad is gay or mum is a lesbian later on would be more damaging than growing up with it being normal.

(that just my professional opinion, obviously you know better Less. Dont let it get in the way of your prejudice!)

emzy 26-03-2008 16:20

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the thing is EVERYONE is entitled to their own opinion, its pointless getting wound up at someone elses opinion if it differs to your own,

garinda 26-03-2008 16:34

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Personally I certainly wouldn't sit in judgement, as to who should, and who shouldn't be able to have children. I think that's quite a dangerous precedent.

To me this case, as far as morality is concerned, is no different from a hertosexual couple receiving fertility treatment, who naturally, without outside help, would otherwise remain childless.

Less 26-03-2008 16:44

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552254)

(that just my professional opinion, obviously you know better Less. Dont let it get in the way of your prejudice!)


so now you claim to be 'Professional'? Shouldn't someone that is 'Professional', be detached enough to be able to assess a situation which let's face it you aren't even involved in, Professionally? That is to say you should be detached and offering only your 'Professional', opinion? Not 'cat calling' like a mere amateur?

I am giving you the benefit of the doubt when you say you are, 'Professional', that it has something to do with social work, well I hope if my grand children ever need a professional it will be someone better suited to the task than you and let's face it they probably will need one after all their parents aren't of the same sex!

Now find yourself a dark room, curl up in the foetus position stick your thumb in your mouth rock backwards and forward and repeat the mantra, "I won't let the horrible little man upset me", for the next day or so then maybe all will be well both in yourself as a person and in yourself as a 'Professional'.

emamum 26-03-2008 16:51

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ony if you do the same chanting the mantra ' i will keep my pointless small minded prejudice views to my self and leave people who are different to it because its none of my business'

Less 26-03-2008 16:59

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552279)
ony if you do the same chanting the mantra ' i will keep my pointless small minded prejudice views to my self and leave people who are different to it because its none of my business'

All the way through my posts I've said nothing against gays or Lesbo's, but come on, this person is ready for a sex change and still gets itself pregnant? How stable is that for a parent to be?

Reidy 26-03-2008 17:06

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it looks to me like a certain someone in this thread is way to opinionated for HIS own good!!!

panther 26-03-2008 18:22

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Originally Posted by Lolly (Post 552115)
He had to carry the child because his wife has had a hysterectomy.

(ermmm she!)..:D....that explains that one then:D


Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 552160)
According to this the 'father' was a turkey baster.

my word the 'father' must have been storing it...:o

yerself 26-03-2008 18:43

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Perhaps emamum23 would like to enlighten us as to how a lesbian or homosexual male couple could naturally conceive a child, thereby giving them the right to parenthood.

Lolly 26-03-2008 18:54

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 552368)
Perhaps emamum23 would like to enlighten us as to how a lesbian or homosexual male couple could naturally conceive a child, thereby giving them the right to parenthood.

1. One of them uses their sperm with a surrogate (the other then adopts the child)
2. The use a donor and one of them carries the child (As above)
3. They adopt

yerself 26-03-2008 18:59

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Originally Posted by Lolly
1. One of them uses their sperm with a surrogate (the other then adopts the child)
2. The use a donor and one of them carries the child (As above)
3. They adopt

And which of the above would you describe as NATURAL conception?

cashman 26-03-2008 19:07

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552279)
ony if you do the same chanting the mantra ' i will keep my pointless small minded prejudice views to my self and leave people who are different to it because its none of my business'

well if ya look at it that way "professionally",its none of your business either.:rolleyes:

panther 26-03-2008 19:08

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yerself ...many 'straight' couples cant concieve naturally either, does that mean they have not the right to be parents either!..?

yerself 26-03-2008 19:14

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Originally Posted by panther
yerself ...many 'straight' couples cant concieve naturally either, does that mean they have not the right to be parents either!..?

'Fraid so. But this thread isn't about straight couples is it ?

garinda 26-03-2008 19:31

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 552389)
'Fraid so. But this thread isn't about straight couples is it ?

That's quite a harsh way to view the world.

What do we do if you get pneumonia, get you some medical help, or let you die naturally?

Benipete 26-03-2008 20:24

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confused.com-help me out here -The father is the mother so the mother can't be the father when the mother has become the father and the mother who isn't the mother becomes the mother,so who the hell is the father cause it can't be the mother or indeed it's auntie who may be it's uncle or even a tranny from the new year bash. Safe to say it will be on benefits for the next 16 yrs or maybe even longer if it has brister.

Lolly 26-03-2008 21:09

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Originally Posted by yerself (Post 552379)
And which of the above would you describe as NATURAL conception?

Neither because for a same sex person that is obviously not possible. But you are obviously so small minded you can't see any other way.

jackyalex 26-03-2008 22:41

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 552424)
confused.com-help me out here -The father is the mother so the mother can't be the father when the mother has become the father and the mother who isn't the mother becomes the mother,so who the hell is the father cause it can't be the mother or indeed it's auntie who may be it's uncle or even a tranny from the new year bash. Safe to say it will be on benefits for the next 16 yrs or maybe even longer if it has brister.

Thats a bit of a tonge twister benipete :pbiggrin:

I dont know why anyone is complaining, when i was young most of my mates mums looked like fellas anyway
and if you look at some men they look like women its hard to tell nowadays what is NORMAL

>>>>runs away and hides

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 00:13

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I have no gripe with same sex people becoming parents but what I do find disturbing in this case is that the person carrying the baby was in the process of changing gender. Again that is not the problem, the fact that this process can be interrupted to have a baby is what bothers me. Surely when you go for a sex change you get counselling? The fact that this person can put on hold his /her decision is what worries me.

garinda 27-03-2008 00:17

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 552525)
I have no gripe with same sex people becoming parents but what I do find disturbing in this case is that the person carrying the baby was in the process of changing gender. Again that is not the problem, the fact that this process can be interrupted to have a baby is what bothers me. Surely when you go for a sex change you get counselling? The fact that this person can put on hold his /her decision is what worries me.

According to the Daily Mail link I posted, she is still basically and genetically a woman. She had a mastectomy, and took male hormones, which when she stopped taking them, meant she started menstruating again, which resulted in her becoming pregnant.

emamum 27-03-2008 00:18

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ive given up rindy... pointless!

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 00:27

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 552530)
According to the Daily Mail link I posted, she is still basically and genetically a woman. She had a mastectomy, and took male hormones, which when she stopped taking them, meant she started menstruating again, which resulted in her becoming pregnant.

Read it but that is what troubles me just change their minds to quickly for me. And who did she get pregnant to? Obviously not to the female partner, things have just gone a bit far in the direction of "if I want it I will have it" for me to be comfortable with it. To me there is no thought for the resulting child but I am prepared for people to correct me if they think I am wrong. I will wait with baited breath.

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 00:29

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552531)
ive given up rindy... pointless!

What is pointless? Is your opinion the only right one? Not to me it isn't, so read what I have to say!!!

steeljack 27-03-2008 00:36

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 552204)
No, every one doesn't have the right to be a parent, parenthood is a natural thing, for a 'normal couple'.
If however that couple are, 'not normal', and here I class normal to be male & female, A lesbian couple or a gay couple in all practicalities cannot produce a child, that is a sacrifice they must make to be accepted as 'normal' for them in my eyes.
If lesbians and gays can find love together fine I've no problem, when they introduce into that factor a child that has to grow up with 'artificial', parents then I'm sorry the couple are not being responsible, they are producing a living being to fulfil their needs, that is selfish.


:confused:

Less , I'm going to disagree with you on his one , from my own observations children raised in gay homes have turned out better than children I know who have been raised by either "welfare queens" or "regular families", a couple of these children were adopted as "rejects" one by a male couple and the other by a lesbian couple , both children are mixed race, both were born HIV POS , one also had drug fetal syndrome , both of the kids are now teenagers and I defy anyone to show me two better kids , both are well educated (one is due to begin college inthe fall) both are well mannered , able to eat at a table using knives and forks with adults and hold a decent conversation without using the regular grunts and ughs, and niether has been in any kind of trouble
not long ago no-one would allow gay/lesbian couples to adopt ...(they were just perverts who would molest them) then social services found they had a problem , a lot of babies who they thought had no future, they were going to die anyway, and decided to let gay/lesbian couples take the problem off their hands .....well it turned out wrong , these "rejects" were taken into loving caring homes , not only they survived but they thrived , other couples I am aware of but do not know were not so lucky , but, and this is a big but ...they made the effort and tried (where regular adopters didn't want to know), so I think saying "normal couples" are the only natural environment for a child to be raised in is wrong .

ok , rant over

Benipete 27-03-2008 00:48

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Originally Posted by jackyalex (Post 552495)
Thats a bit of a tonge twister benipete :pbiggrin:

I dont know why anyone is complaining, when i was young most of my mates mums looked like fellas anyway
and if you look at some men they look like women its hard to tell nowadays what is NORMAL

>>>>runs away and hides

Gets worse,Having contacted my gay friends in Benidorm.We have come to the conclusion they don't know witch way to turn.It's a sad affair.The woman that became a man turns back into a woman because of a change of mind,well that and the fact that the woman met a new man that used to be a woman with three kids and a council house that was three knocked into one, next to the pub and across the road from the bookies.the sad news is that the first wife thingy person had to go back (and I say that because i Can't spell revert) had to go back on the streets to make a few bob( Not to be confused with bob the gender bender)But like SAlly tucker she made a damn fine living on her back.
So your nephews your niece and if your auntie had b k's she'd be your uncle.
On a serious note THE CHILDREN MATTER a sentiment from all people that care about them ,-:jimbo:and not the next Giro

Eric 27-03-2008 00:55

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 552204)
No, every one doesn't have the right to be a parent, parenthood is a natural thing, for a 'normal couple'.
If however that couple are, 'not normal', and here I class normal to be male & female, A lesbian couple or a gay couple in all practicalities cannot produce a child, that is a sacrifice they must make to be accepted as 'normal' for them in my eyes.
If lesbians and gays can find love together fine I've no problem, when they introduce into that factor a child that has to grow up with 'artificial', parents then I'm sorry the couple are not being responsible, they are producing a living being to fulfil their needs, that is selfish.

Why are you angry? Is there something you are fighting for that you already know is wrong?
:confused:

Couldn't disagree more ... last time I checked my calendar it was the 21st century ... the 1950s Ossy and Harriet days are over .... and surely there must be qualifications other than gender in order to be a parent. By the way don't hetro couples produce children in order "to fulfil their needs"? How many times on AccyWeb do we read posts about "today's youth" ... you know, the kids that come from what you would term "normal" couples. Are you assuming that gay couples do a worse job of parenting than the beer swilling, dope smoking, tv addicted, junk food stuffing low lifes that seem to populate your community?

By the way, your argument starts from a definition of "normal" that many people would not accept today. In other words, it is seriously flawed from the start. What you seem to be giving us is opinion masquerading as an argument.

Just a query (sorry, no pun intended) is gay marriage legal in England?:confused:

emamum 27-03-2008 00:56

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yes it is eric...

Eric 27-03-2008 01:01

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552547)
yes it is eric...

Ok, thanx ... it is here too. A former PM of ours, the late Pierre Trudeau led the govt. that took homosexuality out of the criminal code. He said that government had no right to look into the bedrooms of the nation. That was almost 40 years ago, but unfortunately homophobia seems to be a tenacious piece of bigotry.

Benipete 27-03-2008 01:08

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 552539)
Less , I'm going to disagree with you on his one , from my own observations children raised in gay homes have turned out better than children I know who have been raised by either "welfare queens" or "regular families", a couple of these children were adopted as "rejects" one by a male couple and the other by a lesbian couple , both children are mixed race, both were born HIV POS , one also had drug fetal syndrome , both of the kids are now teenagers and I defy anyone to show me two better kids , both are well educated (one is due to begin college inthe fall) both are well mannered , able to eat at a table using knives and forks with adults and hold a decent conversation without using the regular grunts and ughs, and niether has been in any kind of trouble
not long ago no-one would allow gay/lesbian couples to adopt ...(they were just perverts who would molest them) then social services found they had a problem , a lot of babies who they thought had no future, they were going to die anyway, and decided to let gay/lesbian couples take the problem off their hands .....well it turned out wrong , these "rejects" were taken into loving caring homes , not only they survived but they thrived , other couples I am aware of but do not know were not so lucky , but, and this is a big but ...they made the effort and tried (where regular adopters didn't want to know), so I think saying "normal couples" are the only natural environment for a child to be raised in is wrong .

ok , rant over

I think Less is trying to make out the differance between being a parent and being a guardian.I know the differance having been in both camps.Being a parent costs money being a guardian is a buisness and before you all get on your high horses and spout off remember i lived it from the age of 5 -quote for ten years(If it wasn't for us you'd be in the gutter)
Wrong if it wasn't for me they'ed be in the gutter.

steeljack 27-03-2008 01:37

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 552551)
I think Less is trying to make out the differance between being a parent and being a guardian.I know the differance having been in both camps.Being a parent costs money being a guardian is a buisness and before you all get on your high horses and spout off remember i lived it from the age of 5 -quote for ten years(If it wasn't for us you'd be in the gutter)
Wrong if it wasn't for me they'ed be in the gutter.

Initally the children I mentioned were "fostered" by social services to the gay couples , but they were later legally adopted requiring full financial responsibility , (including provision of health care, no NHS here in the US) and the children have full inheritance rights ,same as if legitimate or 'natural' born children, no sending them back if they grew up to be wrong uns or God forbid ugly .

Benipete 27-03-2008 01:48

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 552554)
Initally the children I mentioned were "fostered" by social services to the gay couples , but they were later legally adopted requiring full financial responsibility , (including provision of health care, no NHS here in the US) and the children have full inheritance rights ,same as if legitimate or 'natural' born children, no sending them back if they grew up to be wrong uns or God forbid ugly .

I take it you are in America Well -we all have a cross to bare -can you confirm?

grannyclaret 27-03-2008 11:52

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What people do behind closed doors is their own business,Ive nothing against that ,but when it comes to meddling with nature its another matter,,, no wonder kids have so many problems today,,,,

emamum 27-03-2008 16:17

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Just want to say congratulations............you have successfully scared a new member away.

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 16:39

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552775)
Just want to say congratulations............you have successfully scared a new member away.

Who has?:confused:

emamum 27-03-2008 16:42

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this thread....................

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 16:43

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 552783)
this thread....................

Why?......

emamum 27-03-2008 16:44

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because the person feels they will not be accepted.

Reidy 27-03-2008 16:45

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 552784)
Why?......

Narrow mindedness springs to my mind.........................

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 16:46

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Originally Posted by Reidy (Post 552786)
Narrow mindedness springs to my mind.........................

Not on my part

Reidy 27-03-2008 16:48

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 552787)
Not on my part

So you did not say it was sick????

slinky 27-03-2008 16:56

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Blimey, there are a lot of Drama queens today, and even funnier thing is, it's not Rindy this time :D:D

lancsdave 27-03-2008 16:58

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If people object to what is posted then there is a little red triangle at the top right hand side of each one, it does work I have used it

Bear in mind though that everyone has a different opinion so if we all reported posts because we didn't agree then the board would have a post count of 0 :confused:

Reidy 27-03-2008 17:05

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thats why its a discussion board isnt it??? People can have opinions and say what they feel that is not wrong. But being prejudice while expressing those opinions is!

Neil 27-03-2008 17:08

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Originally Posted by AccyLass27 (Post 552054)
How on earth did the "wife" get the "female husband" pregnant???

They are both female for god sake!

Hmmm the mind baffles

One word springs to mind cock ;)

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 17:13

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Originally Posted by Reidy (Post 552796)
thats why its a discussion board isnt it??? People can have opinions and say what they feel that is not wrong. But being prejudice while expressing those opinions is!

Well if you feel I was being prejudice report the post. I wil explain why I said it, I think it is wrong to bring a child into this relationship. I have watched many programmes on the subject of sex changes. I don't think these decisions are taken lightly and often the person having the sex change already has a family and quite often lose them as a result of their decision. So no I do not think somebody who has already started down this route should then put it on hold in order to have a baby. They are not thinking about how the child will feel when it finds out!!!!

Reidy 27-03-2008 17:18

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 552803)
Well if you feel I was being prejudice report the post. I wil explain why I said it, I think it is wrong to bring a child into this relationship. I have watched many programmes on the subject of sex changes. I don't think these decisions are taken lightly and often the person having the sex change already has a family and quite often lose them as a result of their decision. So no I do not think somebody who has already started down this route should then put it on hold in order to have a baby. They are not thinking about how the child will feel when it finds out!!!!


So why not say that instead of saing you thought it was sick?? I dont quite understand while you had to add that in there???? When you could have made that point in the first place using the method i quoted!

Neil 27-03-2008 17:20

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 552803)
They are not thinking about how the child will feel when it finds out!!!!

I agree with that. Who wants to find out as a child that your parents are freeks?

Reidy 27-03-2008 17:22

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 552809)
Who wants to find out as a child that your parents are freeks?

There we go again another one Predujice??????

In todays society you cant label someone a freek, or a spaz or anything else for that matter its just not acceptable!!

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 17:23

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Originally Posted by Reidy (Post 552808)
So why not say that instead of saing you thought it was sick?? I dont quite understand while you had to add that in there???? When you could have made that point in the first place using the method i quoted!

I have explained how I feel and why so drop it. It is wrong and sick to contemplate bringing a child into this relationship IMO

Reidy 27-03-2008 17:27

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I really do give up on the narrow mindedness and prejudice of this situation, im not saying dont have an opinion im saying its wrong for you to be prejudice!!!! What dont you understand. If you said that in your workplace would it be tolerated??? I think not so what IMO makes it right for you to post something like that here?????

slinky 27-03-2008 17:28

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Originally Posted by Reidy (Post 552811)
There we go again another one Predujice??????

In todays society you cant label someone a freek, or a spaz or anything else for that matter its just not acceptable!!

Just one Pointer....... Don't quote Neil, and copy his wording, because he can't spell FREAK .....

Reidy 27-03-2008 17:28

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Bernie i love ur signature "A PERSON WHO MINDS THEIR OWN BUSINESS WILL ALWAYS BE FULLY EMPLOYED"

mmmmm does make me wonder!

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 17:29

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Originally Posted by Reidy (Post 552817)
I really do give up on the narrow mindedness and prejudice of this situation, im not saying dont have an opinion im saying its wrong for you to be prejudice!!!! What dont you understand. If you said that in your workplace would it be tolerated??? I think not so what IMO makes it right for you to post something like that here?????

As has been said report the post if you feel it is prejudice. The mods will then make the decision on what to do about it.

Reidy 27-03-2008 17:32

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No point after all im only expressing my opinion to say your wrong and i dont agree, i think everyone has the right to see it and make there own mind up!

BERNADETTE 27-03-2008 18:02

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So it is wrong to have a worry about how a child would be affected on learning the truth of how they came to be? Interesting concept


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