Originally Posted by Eric (Post 556247)

As an aside; I listened to a program on CBC radio a couple of weeks ago about surveillance cameras and laws which seem to be illegal in the sense that they tread heavily on civil rights ... there was a comment about England and the over 4 million surveillance cameras they have in place. One of the guys in the discussion ..... I forget his name but he was a brit .... said that England is sleepwalking towards becoming a suspect society, in that all citizens are treated as suspects. There is a presumption of guilt idea on the part of govt. and law enforcement.

I realize that terrorism is a problem, but there have to be other ways of dealing with it than randomly arresting suspects and locking them up without charge for six weeks ... and it could go on. You realease a guy after 6 weeks, and then immediately arrest him again. I strongly believe that if one threatens the rights of any citizen or group of citizens, then one threatens the rights of all. It's taken centuries of struggle to get these rights, and yet many seem to take them for granted.

Originally Posted by g jones (Post 556046)

It's laughable Cyfr. The 'lock em up and throw away the key Party'. 'Tough on crime Party'. 'Protect Britain Party'. I am not agreeing or disagreeing, I don't know enough but to listen to Tories now is great entertainment if nothing else.This on top of a new socialist policy direction where you are saying The Government should prop up state industries (Post Office's).

You have sold your soul. There seems to be nothing on which the current Conservative party membership has any principle's on at all.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 556588)

a party that sold every principal it ever had just to become electable

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 556039)

Wasn't thinking.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 556669)

Though the same could be said of the Conservatives, who after eleven years out of government seem to have abandoned each and everyone of the principle tenets too, in the hope of being elected back into power.;)

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 556709)

The Conservatives were never about Thatcherism before that though. Maybe they've realised ideology isn't so great ;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 556736)

Who mentioned Thatcher?:confused:

They've all been cut from the same cloth, right back to Spencer Perceval in 1809.;)

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 556811)

Wrong. Previous to Thatcher they didn't run from an ideology. Completely different kettle of fish. :D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 556816)

Same old, same old.

CONSERVATIVE MANIFESTO .COM - 101 Years of Conservative Party Policy

(I'm never wrong.;):D)

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 556817)

And that link proves what exactly?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 556818)

That historically at the core of the Conservative Party, was a shared common set of principles and beliefs.

Well there was until 'Dave' came along with his all caring, all sharing, hug-a hoodie, nonesense, in the desperate hope of re-winning middle England back from New Labour.

Anyway, off thread.

Rebel Labour M.P.s are likely to block Ms. Smith's proposals, so all the wooly liberals can once again relax.:)

Originally Posted by DeShark (Post 556173)

Even the police say they don't need the extension.

Originally Posted by Cyfr (Post 556820)

it's wrong to say they have always been the same party as the one people remember from the Thatcher/Major era.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 556825)

If you reread my first mention of it, that's exactly what I said. I agreed with Jaysay, saying that Labour have abandoned their socialist ideals, just as the 'new' Conservatives have abandoned their conservative beliefs, in order to whore themselves, to try and appeal, and regain the middle Englanders they lost to Labour.

Sadly both mainstream parties are willing to prostitute themselves, to appear appealing to the electorate.