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OK Pal I'll take that one.
First of all Cameron has the makings of a Statesman in his physical demeaner and presentation.
He has the right to challenge GB without the threat of Whimps ..Oh sorry
Whips.
I feel he would direct his MP's to search for solutions to the problems of the country...i.e....why are we being ripped off by oil producing countries instead of concentrating..when need arises to.. refer to 'Global Warming' to take the pressure off?
I would hope that he gets rid of the 'Nanny State' that we find ourselves in and that we have a Chancellor who is not tied to the apron strings of his boss.
I have to feel sorry for the lifelong Labour supporters....even the Unions dont get on with GB....and what about the 10% tax rate?
Bring it on :p

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I take it back, perhaps I am partisan.

The only MPs I've ever chatted to socially at parties, and the only ex-PM I've ever had a private dinner with at the Carlton Club, have been Conservative, so perhaps my politics are more inclined to the right than the left.

To my knowledge the last time I spoke to a Labour politican was Arthur Davidson at my great uncle's garden party in 1970, when I was five.:D

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Gosh....We are well connected :tongueout

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He wouldnt, in fact the day the conservatives boot him off the top spot, the sooner i may cast my vote in their direction.

Could have sworn a requirement of being a leader was to lead, Brown follows wherever the USA points to (though admittedly not as blatantly as his mate), Cameron would ask be too busy answering important questions like how many joints he smoked.

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I have been a member since I was sixteen Rindi, but if you read back I said I am just a party member and not active since 2001, and the only time I talk about party politics is when some one else raises the subject, as I said before I don't think I have started a politicl thread since I came back on line on 29th Jan

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Ah, see what you mean.

Now where's my silly string?:D

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The Carlton Club Rindi, The Bl**** Carlton Club:D

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I haven't voted on this thread yet because I'm still trying to make up my mind - sorry Greg. If it was just down to Greg then I'd vote for him like a shot. I trust him and respect him as our local MP, I think he does a good job. However, it's not just down to Greg it's down to Gordon Brown as well and I have to be honest, I don't know if I can do it - then again I certainly can't vote for the alternative either as that would probably be worse.

It's probably a good job the national election isn't this week.

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Always remember Gayle anyone who hesitatate is lost:D

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May be that's why no one's bothered canvassing me.

Actually I think the reason they haven't canvassed or sent me any literature is probably because the Labour Party assume I'm a sure thing. Funny but a couple of years ago it was the Conservatives who didn't send me stuff because they assumed I was a sure thing.

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Now its a shame you didn't mention this earlier Gayle, I'm in Pendle tomorrow and Hull on Monday! :p

Which ward are you in again by the way? I've been out in Barnfield

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When I lived up Belthorn in the 70s, a friend of my father was a Tory county councillor.
He asked me to let the tories have the use of my front room on polling day.:eek:
I declined using my civil service job as an excuse.
People make presumptions about political leanings when they have no right to.

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You could have let them use it then locked 'em in.:D

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I don't think any one could say you were a sure ting Gayle:D:D

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I've just received a tax statement on the pension I worked twenty years for, and due to the abolishing of the 10%tax rate, out of a gross amount of over £200 a month, I'm now left with £88!
No doubt my money will help towards redecorating one of Brown's fat cat's second homes.
I AM FUMING - and to think I once voted labour!

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It is disgraceful I am not surprised you are fuming. Will you not be able to claim it back?

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I don't know, Bernie, the woman at the tax office just said that I'm now taxed at BR - basic rate, which is 20%

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The point is Bernie she shouldn't have to claim it back it shouldn't have been taken in the first place, this is the only government in history that have targetted those who are poorest in our society, and they are supposed to stand up for those less well off, what a joke.:(

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I know she shouldn't have to but unfortunately that is the only way she will get it. If people don't know they can claim it back it will go into the countries coffers.

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The only trouble is Bernie, that there is now more red tape than ever before, when the Government found out that they had made one hell of a balls up why didnt they just hold their hands up and say okay we were wrong we'll scrap it, then people wouldn't have to claim back what is rightfully theirs, its just utter stupidity

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Agree totally but do they ever make things easy for the man on the street?? I remember the adverts not long ago telling people to "pick it up its your's" Why not just tell folk what they can claim?? Maybe that is to sensible:eek:

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What they're doing is terrible. Punishing the lowest income earners with 100% tax rises. Absolutely pathetic.

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Before the '97 election, and fearing high taxation, Paul Daniels threatened to leave the country if Labour were elected to power. A statement which probably helped gain Labour quite a few votes.

Ten years later, rather than the feared high taxation for big earners, we have the reverse. London has the most billionaires in the world outside of Manhatten, and Russian Ogliarchs are queueing up to live in the U.K., with it's low rates of tax for the super rich.

On the otherhand, the lowest paid in the country, including many pensioners are worse off, and the measly promise of being able to claim some rebate really doesn't wash...well I bet it hasn't washed enough to convince the electorate come Thursday.

The sooner Brown goes the better.

A shambles.

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I totally agree.....even with the promised compensation for people who have lost out. unless the 10% rate is restored....the flat rate remains at 20% and can (and no doubt will be used) at the drop of a hat when the mood suits these clowns.
It would not surprise me if compensation is paid out as a result of a means test? :confused::confused::)

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Well its just barking mad.

They raise taxes on the worst off by 100%. Then theres a backlash and it finally dawns on them that taxing the lowest incomes isn't at all popular. So they give a half-hearted statement about giving the money back through some means unexplained.

Yes that's right, you make the tax code similar by scrapping the 10p tax band, then you refund then you promise to refund the money somehow, sometime in the future. This is certainly the way to make the tax system less complex. Excuse my sarcasm.

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Have you conveniently forgotten the Poll Tax, which Thatcher intoduced, that targetted the poorest members of society too.

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Labour have always marketed themselves on being the party of the under dog though, haven't they?

Not any more, what with this and the smoking ban, the ordinary working man has really been kicked in the teeth by this government lately.:(

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She didn't target the poorest, she gave them concessions. Anyway the poll tax was removed, and I'm talking about what the Labour government are doing in the present day. Taxing the low income workers and making a mess of the u-turn.

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The Thatcher Government at the time had the balls, because of public opinion, to replace the Poll Tax..........These prats think they can walk all over the people and the attitude of the current Government stinks.
Hopefully the people of the UK give them (The Government) a kick in the teeth on Thursday.
Pensions, tax, smoking ban, means testing, the list goes on and on.

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Thing is though Thursday wont change the Government - seeing as its the LOCAL elections.

How is your local councillor going to change the tax rate when they are there for local issues.

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Did anyone say differently? :confused:

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There you are lilly.

Sorry Royboy.

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So the local labour party no way represent national views?

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I suppose about as much as Peter Britcliffe represents your caring/sharing Conservative party lead by 'Dave' Cameron..;)

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Here we go again. PB gets more exposure on this forum for free than anyone.......I think he may approach Garinda to be his Press Secretary. :gooddog:

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You are right it wont, it could be an eye opener though of things to come, or not.

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I am sure Garinda would make an excellent Press Secretary for PB, at least his press releases would be much more interesting.

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An theres people that are much more vocal in person about PB. For one, in the two times I've met Graham Jones I've not heard him shut up about Britcliffe all night! Ultimate advertisement!

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No claytonender, I was totally against the Poll Tax as it was implemented, the idea was sound, that everyone pays for the services they use, and that the poorest in society could still receive benefits, but the way it was imlemented was crazy, but mind you anybody who comes up with a system that is acceptable by all sections of society deserves a medal

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Its not worth it Roy, I was his secretary/press officer for seven years, it did my head in dealing with the public day in day out, in the publics eyes your not a councilor your a magician:eek:

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You mean you met him twice Cyfr, I'd have thought once would have been enough for anyone:rolleyes::D

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Not a good idea...He would have us all believing in Goblins and Faries. :dflam:

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I'd do a great job.:rolleyes:

I'd have him out within the year.:D

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The Labour Party have been trying for 25 years and he's never had a majority less than 100, even in the days of the Tory Government:D

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Cyfr and myself were discussing this at the weekend.

Nowadays I think it's certainly in his favour to be leader of the council, as people in Ossy think if you're going to have a councillor you might as well have one that is the one in charge, if only from a selfish point of view, and in the hope of getting more than your fair share of the budget. I get the distinct impression he isn't as popular outside of Oswaldtwistle.

The people of New Lane must be thrilled, as I suspect they have more traffic calming measures in place than any other stretch of road in the whole country.

Instead of that big sign flashing up your speed, and telling you to slow down, as you approach New Lane, I'm just suprised it doesn't say 'Alert council leader lives here.':D

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I'll have a word Rindi and see what I can do:D