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After the last few months of sitting back watching the Prime Minister and his Cabinet shoot themselves, and each other, in the foot on every available occasion as well as forcing said injured limbs into their gobs every time they have opened them.


Which way would members be likley to vote if a general election were called tomorrow

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Goddamit, i pressed the wrong button. One vote for lib dem has been made in error!!

Sorry, trust me

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Why have you made it a public vote? I am sure many people wont vote now.

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I think I might just vote Tory:D:D:D

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Agreed.

The poll should be a secret ballot, besides whoever heard of a General Election on a Monday?:D

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Now now Garinda, theres no shame in admitting you're a Tory. :D

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well after all the crap i got last year for admitting to who i vote for i think it should be a secret vote

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To be honest if the election was tomorrow I don't know who I'd vote for.

I've said before that the current government reminds me of the last Major government, and all the associated sleaze that went with it.

An on going war, tax increases for the lowest paid, attempts to block public viewing of M.P.'s expenses, a leader with the charisma of a garden gnome.

I'm just hoping that there is long enough before an election for some of these issues to be addressed, but I doubt it.

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Well i voted for tory but im not old enough to vote for real :P

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after many years of voting religiously, after a few years of "President Blair" i decided that they were now all "*******" and stopped wasting my time.:rolleyes:

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Having lived through 19 yrs of Tory rule, who in their right minds would want them back, they destroyed the health service, they made the poor even poorer, and the yuppies got fat, they brought in the dreaded poll tax, and will again in another name

Labour aren't the answer, but of the 2 its the better alternative for me, the other parties are wonderful ideals maybe but in reality not a viable alternative

Not voting is never on my agenda, my father and generations before him fought for that right, who am I to spit on their graves. How would I complain about anything if I hadn't even bothered to vote

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If people took Labours history into account pre-1997, nobody would have voted for them either. As it happened, people gave them another chance, and they were very different to how they used to be.

Just a thought.

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Well, there is an election in 2 weeks time. But does it matter? The government will still be there. I find it quite amazing that Brown is whinging about the rigged Rhodesian election when all Mugabe has done is a variation on the voting scam. At least in Africa the people who voted were the locals;whether that vote was counted, treble counted or slung on the rubbish tip is irreleveant. Thanks to John Prescott's disgraceful British postal voting system, all swathes of people were robbed of their vote in the first instance.

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yours was not not the only father n family who fought in the wars, n to say they fought for the "Right to Vote" is utter rubbish,it was more about "Conscription" n a evil pig called "Adolf"n many joined up in droves to " Fight fer the Country" to say people who disagree with yer view are "Spitting on their Graves" is insulting as far as i'm concerned, but if that fits in yer " Narrow Mind" fair enough.:rolleyes:

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I sort of agree, except the present day Tories, with their all minorities embracing, hug a hoodie, wishy-washiness, are about as close to Thatcher's reign of terror as New Labour are to socialism.

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Got to say i fully agree with you on this one Cashy....waste of time, they are all the same.

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I too think it should be a secret vote. But that aside, i don't know who i would vote for, but it would NOT be labour.

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I always thought that Labour was the party of the underdog, the party who fought for the rights of the 'little man', the party that wanted to remove the inequalities of a noble birth......yet Labour has robbed some of the poorest people of money they have earned, by getting rid of the lower band of income tax, thereby doubling the income tax of the poorer workers....it is Ok to say that some of these people will be able to claim it back through some benefit or other....but why should they have to go through this unnecessary rigmarole.
The Labour party is, in my estimation, the old tory party in a new expensive coat(paid for by us mugs).

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I would take a blindfold and a pin to the polling booth.

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well I aint voting for the tories thats for sure, as for Labour well........no comment so i might have to vote something new this year!;)

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It would be interesting to see if we got the same votes on an anonymous poll with the same questions.

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A simplified version but spot on. :mosher:

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it always used to be the case, n yer last sentence sums things up very well. the only bit missed out IMHO is that labour had to change to become electable. ( due to a society changed by 3 terms of Thatcher), sadly they had to forgo socialism. n that for me is why we are where we are today.:(

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Both main parties have changed beyond all recognition in order to woo the electorate, and it works...which doesn't say much for us, the electorate, who fall for their guff.

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I would vote Labour as usual, I hate the Tories and everything they stand for and I am no racist so that rules out the BNP. I am not green enough to support the Greens and not loony enough to support the Raving Mad.
I also greatly appreciate the fact that our Labour MP and Labour councillors come on here and talk to us.
Makes all the difference really. :D

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If the election was tomorrow, I'd have to ignore national politics and vote for who I thought would be the best M.P. for Hyndburn.

Greg Pope, or the next bedraggled Conservative councillor to be wheeled out in the hope of unseating Mr. Pope.

Therefore, my cross goes to Labour.:)

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I wont be voting. Not done so since MUMMIBOO was a little girl. They are all has bad as each other.

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Thought this was a bit odd so decided to paste what the Conservatives stand for:

Giving people more opportunity and power over their lives


Making families stronger and society more responsible


Making Britain safer and greener

Doesn't sound like a bad thing to me.

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21st century Whitehall's singular priority is to sweep the crap they dish out under the carpet of sound-bites and dupery. Just so they (both Government and shadows) can operate their 'means to a never arising end' philosophy.
Statistics, targets, 'greener Britain's, 'nuclear families or else', half-arsed foreign policies etc. etc. - fool me none.
This country is a joke. Can't wait to get out of it.

p.s. I'd vote Lib Dem tomorrow just for the 'eff of it.

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Reading the quote in full...

Our Vision - Conservative Party


Wishy-washy socialist inspired platitudes, mixed with an eco-friendly big green spoon.

Pass me the sick bucket.:eek:

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Come back 'on your bike' Tebbit et al.

At least that generation of Tories said what they really thought, or at least what Maggie allowed them to think, unlike this wet shower of caring/sharing Eton toffs.

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Yes, reverse snobbery, great stuff.

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Yes it is.:)

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The biggest threat to the Tories is the new satirical programme Headcases.

Man of the people, Dave, soon reverting to type away from the cameras. Cameron and his snivelling little fag, Osborne, portrayed as two people who will say anything in order to appeal to the electorate.

V. funny.:D

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Besides thinking Greg Pope will continue to be the best M.P. for Hyndburn, I've just remembered a few other reasons why I'm more likely to vote for him than anyone else.

1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s.

2. Low mortgage rates.

3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.52.

4. Over 14,000 more police in England and Wales.

5. Cut overall crime by 32 per cent.

6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools.

7. Young people achieving some of the best ever results at 14, 16, and 18.

8. Funding for every pupil in England has doubled.

9. Employment is at its highest level ever.

10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries.

11. 85,000 more nurses.

12. 32,000 more doctors.

13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards.

14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament.

15. Devolved power to the Welsh Assembly.

16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time.

17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice.

18. Gift aid was worth £828 million to charities last year.

19. Restored city-wide government to London.

20. Record number of students in higher education.

21. Child benefit up 26 per cent since 1997.

22. Delivered 2,200 Sure Start Children’s Centres.

23. Introduced the Equality and Human Rights Commission.

24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & up to £300 for over-80s.

25. On course to exceed our Kyoto target for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.

26. Restored devolved government to Northern Ireland.

27. Over 36,000 more teachers in England and 274,000 more support staff and teaching assistants.

28. All full time workers now have a right to 24 days paid holiday.

29. A million pensioners lifted out of poverty.

30. 600,000 children lifted out of relative poverty.

31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents.

32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships.

33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard.

34. Inpatient waiting lists down by over half a million since 1997.

35. Banned fox hunting.

36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since before the industrial revolution.

37. Free TV licences for over-75s.

38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals.

39. Free breast cancer screening for all women aged between 50-70.

40. Free off peak local bus travel for over-60s.

41. New Deal - helped over 1.8 million people into work.

42. Over 3 million child trust funds have been started.

43. Free eye test for over 60s.

44. More than doubled the number of apprenticeships.

45. Free entry to national museums and galleries.

46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled.

47. Heart disease deaths down by 150,000 and cancer deaths down by 50,000.

48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent.

49. Free nursery places for every three and four-year-olds.

50. Free fruit for most four to six-year-olds at school.

:D

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:D good post Garinda.
Seriously though, that's one thing that really gets on my wick with Labour. Most of those statistics (especially crime - good grief they're flawed to high hell) were achieved through shifting the goalposts on what the criteria is.
But hey, who am I to argue with numbers?!


:hidewall:

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On second thoughts this public poll isn't such a bad idea.

I'd much rather be locked in a polling booth with the people who've voted Labour, than any of the other sorry groupings.:D

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Agreed, but couldn't be bothered to edit the ones that I really think have made a positive difference to the country.

Lies, damned lies, and statistics they may be, but they still make a hell of a lot better reading than a top fifty list after the Conservatives were last in power.:rolleyes:

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It's worse to see that people claim to follow no political party whatsoever but will happily back a party just to annoy a certain group of people.

The new generations seem to be more welcoming to the Tories with open arms than any other age group, but there are many who, like many on here, are still opting for Labour and labeling themselves as socialists.

I don't know why anyone would vote liberal democrat, merely because they seem like incompetent politicians more than anything, not really leader material...

Seen as it is the current government that once said they wouldn't introduce top up fee's for university and then went and did it anyway at a cost of £3000 a year to me, which has risen further for next year to £3145, and then intend on taking the cap off so I shall expect further rise to figures of around £5000 a year, Labour isn't going to be getting my vote. I'd rather take my chances with the Conservatives, who at least in theory should back university students. Labour appear to be robbing everyone they can just to pay for their steady salary increases.

Whilst the Conservatives introduced the idea, and rightly so as it is fair to pay towards your future, I think it is unfair to have to pay even more when the education system, at least at this level, is not failing financially nor in its achievements.

Obviously there are going to be positive and negative elements regarding other areas for each party, and I haven't considered the ones that do not directly effect me because I would probably have to spend too much time doing so, and nobody really votes for the good of all mankind, the world isn't like that unfortunately. So basically I'm saying don't contradict my reasons with things about council tax, benefit systems, housing etc, because obviously that isn't going to change my view!

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Who?

Certainly not me.

I've always posted that I'm not a member of any political party, nor have I ever been, unlike some other people on this forum.

I've always voted for whoever I thought was the best person/party for an elected position, and that hasn't always been Labour.

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If it wasn't for the education reforms introduced by consecutive Labour governments in the last century, you'd have left school at twelve, nevermind had the opporunity to attend university.;)

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Politics is a personal choice, I would think that a huge magority on here do not fully support one particular party, myself, I've been a member of the Tory Party since I was a teenager, so I'm always going to vote Tory, and I'm sure people like Graham Jones are exactly like me, Graham will always vote Labour. The thing that makes politics interesting is the floating voter, and that is democrasy, the right of people to choose and that works for me

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Jaysay, that is where folk go wrong......following a party mindlessly despite the failings......and yes, I DO know that ALL paties have some failings.
I struggle to deal with duplicity........the fact that we can be as poor as church mice while the MP's live high on the hog at our expense(taxpayers, I mean)......and we are supposed to live clean lives while the MP's can slide around in all kinds of sleaze....and I do not single out any party as being worse than another. I also dspise the fact that the government want to meddle in our private lives. I despair of the whole caboodle.

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Rindy, I am not going to pick holes in your list, but how many of these things have been achieved through the manipulation of figures and the moving of goalposts?

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I acknowledged that when Shakermaker remarked on the same thing.:D

By the way it isn't my list, it was copied from the Labour website.:D

Any list of my own wouldn't have any such anomalies, to be able to have holes picked in it.:D

There's a hell of a lot wrong with this government, some of the things I posted yesterday being the on going war, the increase in tax for the lowest paid, and the refusal to be more transparent in their financial affairs, being three, but on the whole I think Labour have addressed a great many inequalities that eighteen years of having a Tory government never did.

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I think if you asked the man or woman in the street what their main political concerns are their answer would be immigration, and the continued interference of Europe in British affairs.

Two issues both major parties seem afraid to tackle.

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I think that also crime and punishment would come out as issues that need to addressed much more firmly.
None of the political parties seem to have the guts to tackle the welfare system either...they just tinker round the edges.
Maybe I am just in a disillusioned frame of mind.
I don't trust any of them, and I think this is at the root of the apathy that is currently affecting our political system.

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Always promising one thing and then doing the complete bloody opposite!!!
Also...
it makes me laugh that the teenagers on here seem to know more than us :rolleyes:

hey well never mind:o

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I disagree with your first satement Margaret, if like in my case and I'm sure in Graham Joneses case, you decide to get involved in politics at an early Age (I started at 16, some 46 years ago) The fact is I am committed Conservative and would stick with them through thick and thin, although I may not always agree with the Party line, but thats democratic politics Margaret, and if you get involve your in it up to your neck I'm afraid. As for your other points, couldn't agree more, but we also have to remember that not all MPs are bad and sleazy, I may not like Greg Pope's politics, but I like him as a person and there is nothing that tells me he has done anything to be classed with some of his fellow MPs who are less than honest, and I mean from all parties. The point is though Margeret we are talking about the issues which can only be for the better

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What Greg did that all on his own - he must wear his underpants outside his pants. :rolleyes::D

Those are ok if you think they are good for the Country, I don't believe all of them are. I also think a couple of them might be little white lies.

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when a party seriously has the balls to tackle crime and immigration, i will return to the polling booth, until then they can all get stuffed. and before some bright spark says the BNP are doing, i am talking about politics, not " Rent A Thug":mosher:

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I don't believe in not voting, but fair play to you. As a matter of interest, if the Conservatives addressed those issues would you forget the past and vote for them?

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Information about political parties is available to all age groups, it's not about knowing as much information as possible anyway.


And Garinda, are you suggesting I should vote for a party because they deserve appreciation from me for their past achievements rather than their current? I thought they claimed to be 'new' labour anyway? So surely they're not really the same party as back then?

I think Tony Blair was a brilliant PM, so I am not closed minded enough to just say I don't like Gordon Brown because they are Labour, but generally they are not proving their worth to me other than they want to shut the post offices and I'm all for that. Funnily enough the majority of current Labour supporters DONT want that, so what are people going to do, are they going to stick with Labour and accept that not every policy suits their needs, or are they going to vote for another party to keep that little luxury?

Watching the London election broadcasts it seems BNP want to keep open post offices AND lower council tax. They say it in a monotonous drone though so I would question how much of their heart was actually into it, but are we going to see a rise in BNP support for those reasons? They added a cute 'you may be aware... blah blah immigration policy' 'closing the door and keeping it closed', it was all almost comical.

I worry about the elections because I feel that both Labour and the Conservatives have switched positions and are badly representing the people they claim to represent. So who knows what we are to expect, but I'd rather not have another rise in the average student debt after undertaking a degree.

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Some of them most certainly are lies or complete manipulation of the truth.

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to be perfectly honest cyfr, i would give very serious thought to the matter, galling as it may be to me, i would probably say Yes.

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i never vote,never listen to politicians, my mum always said that if i dont vote i dont have the rite of speech later on if i want to complain

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I guess it shouldn't be seen as a bad thing that some people do not vote, because the majority, myself included in this, often don't have any idea what we are voting for anyway, and what is worse, voting blindly or stepping down to just let those who do have an idea vote?

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i totally agree with you, but dont get used to:tongueout

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I'll be honest, I do not have any Idea who I would vote for because I do not know what they all stand for. I wouldnt say that Im ignorant to it but never paid any attention so If I did vote then it would be for the wrong reasons really. Until I know what each party is for / against I will leave it to the ones who know. One day I will vote but Im not going to vote "blind" as this would be pointless and I would probably end up voting for the wrong party

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The good thing in the U.K. Yolanda is, even if you haven't voted, you do still have the right of free speech.

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oh right, i didnt know that, thanks katex

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That may well be true katex, but if you don't vote you can have no qualms about the predicament you find yourself in, you have a choise, even if you go to the poll and spoil your paper as a protest, you have expressed an opionion

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Whats the difference between spoiling your paper and abstaining ? Surely the end result is the same. :confused:

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I once said I'd like a "none of the above shower cause your all rubbish" box so we can actually get the message across to the MPs that we don't think they do a good job.

I enjoy a political debate(although Julie always tells me to shut up at Accyweb meets when we start one :D ) but no-one comes knocking at my door because I live in a traditional Tory area its seen as a lost cause.

What I'd like is an answer from Greg Pope to the following question

" As you initially raised the bill against the removal of 10p Tax are you going to vote against the budget at next weeks vote or follow the party whip as you usually do?"

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He'll answer on the 2nd May:D

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But at least you have given your 3 minutes to tell those in power what you think, in a two words NOT MUCH, maybe if more peope who are disillusioned recorded a spoiled voting slip and there were thousands at every count the penny may just drop, but even the I wouldn't be holding my breathe

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Yolanda, I think what your Mum means is that if you haven't made the effort to cast your vote, (you don't have to leave the house to do it these days, now you can request a postal vote.) then you can hardly complain about whoever finishes up being elected......you did nothing to stop them getting in power.

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Doesn't sound like anything to me. When you strip away the jargon and the cliches you are left with "a tale told by an idiot ... signifying nothing":confused:

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It could be worse ... both major parties in Canada are under investigation by the RCMP and Elections Canada (they oversee the raising and spending of money on elections campaigns). The only honest parties are the NDP (Labour), the Bloc Quebecois (not hard to figure out what they want), and the Greens. None of those three have a cat in hells chance of winnning. So for most Canadians it is a choice between the least crooked. Jeez. What is likely to happen is that Canadians will stay away from the polls in droves. Sounds like that may be a good choice for you guys too.:(

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I can't see how you can vote for something that you feel is wrong.....is that not mindless following?
How do you change things when you don't agree with what the party as a whole stands for?
And as for democracy, the only way that could be achieved is if there was a system that truly represented the wishes of the electorate...or at least the majority of the electorate......and you will never get true representation until there is proportional representation.....that really would be democracy.
And I do realise that not all politicians are involved in sleaze, but the one who are give the rest a bad name. Most politicians are involved in 'spin', which to me is just another euphemism for lies.
As soon as a politician opens their mouth I am thinking to myself 'how much of this is true?'

I am not apathetic about voting.....I am just disillusioned and disappointed by people saying what they are going to do and it doesn't happen.

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Exactimundo. Karma for you, hoss!

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Well I would, but apparently I've got to 'share it around' (innuendo obviously strategically placed by Roy) before I give karma to you again. :rolleyes:

Have a tin of Spam instead: :130:

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I can see your point of view Margaret and can't say that I don't agree with you to a point, but when you are totally involved in party politics as I was for many years, it is just a little different, although I don't agree with P. R. that way you are opening the door to the likes of the BNP and nobody wants that I'm sure

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Well Jaysay, then it isn't real democracy if you don't take into consideration the views of the electorate....and the way to keep out the BNP is to make your own party politics more inviting/relevant, and tackle issues that are the concerns of the voting public, better than they do.
I'm sure that a lot of political apathy boils down to the fact that people feel that their vote won't change anything......and maybe a bit of competition from different parties would open up the race a bit.
We have three main parties at present and two of them could be virtually one party....though i don't suppose you would agree with that.
Like I say, come the election, I will head for the polling station with a blindfold and a pin.

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im not voting this time, they all p..s in one pot.wast of time whoever get in no good for this town its dead any way shops all going no work.thay all promise you all sorts then nothing gets done. time wasters.
:dancedog:

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Politicians - professional turd polishers :D

Spend millions on shiny buildings & it'll be reyt, the public won't notice 'owt wrong :rolleyes:

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This is coming from a supporter of Cameron! :yelrotflm

He wouldn't have a clue what to do with no Labour government around. You see, criticising Labour is Mr Cameron's way of justifying his existence. Should he win a general election, I predict he would be found somewhere in his home cowering behind his beloved bicycle hollering "please Mama, don't let them make me do it! Where's huggsy?!".

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Thanx ... goes well with Kraft Dinner:D:D

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I am not saying liberal democrats lack good ideas, I just don't see a strong leader.

Ideally, politicians of all parties shouldn't be working against each other to achieve support but working together for the good of the country. Unfortunately, every political party drags the others down in the dirt because that's the way it is.

You're right, the Tories can just look at Labour and see 'what not to do' and do the opposite. But I would've thought thats the method most people would use in general.

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My point is that it is ironic that you, a supporter of David Cameron, would criticise another person's leadership qualities. He hasn't got a clue.

My point here is that the Conservatives don't stand for anything different. They present no principles or radical changes to the way Britain is run. Their only real manifesto is "we won't make the mistakes Labour have" ...how profound.

The state of government is terrible. However there is no opposition party that could do the job any better, as no one has a clue what exactly to change. That is a fact.

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Well considering the Labour party keep stealing Conservative ideas, it's hardly the Conservatives fault for the parties not differing that much. If they decided not to announce policy until an election, then you'd criticise them for not having any substance, can't win really.

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The Conservatives have actual policies?

Rather than just sound bites about caring, sharing, and communities?

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Th'owd fella wasn't conscripted, in fact he could have taken the easy way out, as he was a miner and therefore exempt from call up, but he had his principles and knew that monster had to be defeated

and after 3 years as POW including a 3 month "trip" to Belsen for repeatedly trying to escape, his views were even firmer that democracy WAS worth fighting for !!

Do you seriously think we would even be allowed to have this debate under the German Jackboot, if he and thousands like him hadn't taken the stand - so no, I will not spit on their graves

My "Narrow Mind"....?!? keeps me in the same views as him - and in the words of someone who really understood what democracy is........
." I don't agree with your Tory views !!!.............. but I will fight to the death for your right to hold them

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Sure they have policies ... can be summed up as screw the little guy ... and with our tories: build up the military so that we can help out the yanks, reopen the debates on gay marriage and abortion, tax breaks for the already obscenly rich, get tough on crime at a time when all types of crime are on the decrease, and at the same time make it easier to own guns. Open up our wilderness for industrial devpt. etc, etc. I still say that the only good tory is a suppository.:alright:

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Yeah, if you read some papers or watch TV or even visit Conservatives.com you can find them out.

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Can you please link me to these policies? Please? I don't want to be part of a party that agrees to this, so heres your chance to make the Conservatives lose a member and a vote. Link me up!

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Oh trust me I do.

I watched Cameron being interviewed on a tour of leafy Surrey yesterday.

He was being interviewed by the BBC about crime, and the man from the Beeb told him the latest figures showed crime was falling, and if he'd been the person responsible for the figures he'd be boasting about them, instead of attacking them. Cameron gave the usual politican's response of not answering that comment.

Tellingly at the end of the report, the police chief constable who'd been in charge of Cameron's visit and had shown him round, said that crime was very noticeably down in the area.

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Oh come on Rindi, we've got a party in Government that has spent the last eleven years spining the British people to death, whilst making us one of the heaviest taxed countries in Europe. We now have a Prime Minister that isn't even a good musical Joke, let alone a statesman. If your beloved Labour Party (I know yo keep telling us you've no political affinity) are so much better than he Tories why are they 18 ponts behind them in the polls and Brown is the most dislike PM since records began, he is actually making John Major look like a world beater

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As you point out, unlike your good self, I'm not a member of any political organisation or party.

I will continue to criticise, or praise, whoever, and whatever, I see fit.

Just this past week I've highlighted three major issues I have with this government, as well as calling them sleazy on this very forum.

I guess that's the beauty I have of being non-partisan, unlike those of you who are active members of a political organisation, and who use Accy Web to spread one party propoganda.

I was genuinely disappointed yesterday with Cameron's interview with the BBC about crime. As was pointed out to him, if he was P.M. he'd be shouting from the roof tops about the fall in figures of reported crime, and taking all the praise.

He showed the same sort of reticence to comment that he exhibits over the question as to whether he ever took illegal drugs before becoming party leader. A simple yes or no would be so much more appreciated by the general public.

British politics is crying out for straightforward, clear, honest, leadership. Three things David Cameron has so far not shown he is capable of.

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In the interview he even mentioned a direct policy he was going to implement. So you are aware of policy Conservatives are making!

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Come on now rindi enough of the 'I'm not part of a party' business. I do and can still make criticisms of the Conservative party. I'm in the party because they're the party I most agree with and support. It does't mean I support the party blindly on policy. Besides which you can still be partisan without having a membership card.

Considering Cameron said "Any good news is always welcome"... "you rejoice at good bits and then look at bad bits and work out what to do about it" yet you seemed to miss this in the interview, are you sure you're non-partisan?

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I will only take one issue up with you Rindi, first I am not politically Active, I'm just an ordinary member and have been since 2001, I think if you check that since my account on Accy Web was sorted on the 29th Jan this year I have not started a political thread, but I'm not going to sit back wilst people like Jones come on here and use the site for spreading his political ethos. Be quite honest Rindi it would be fine by me if politics were never mentioned again on here, but that won't happen, so I'll just have a prod and a poke have my say and leave the more serious stuff to Cyfr :rolleyes::D

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Hear Hear Cyfr Hear Hear:D

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I'm still wanting a clear cut answer as to why Cameron would be a good leader?

I don't want any "well Gordon Brown isn't good because...". No. I want actual concrete reasons why David Cameron would be a good Prime Minister wish strong leadership qualities, no reasons related to anything else, no BS, just attributes about him that would make him a good strong leader for the nation.

Step up Tories and get ready to be knocked down.

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That's odd, I thought I'd read a post of your's the other day saying you'd been a member of the Conservative party since you were sixteen. I appologise if I'm mistaken.

I made no mention of any names, when I posted of members of political parties using Accy Web for party political propoganda.

Strange how both you and Cyfr jumped in to defend yourselves from that charge.

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A 'crime map'?

Is that the Conservative policy he was advocating in yesterday's interview?

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This idea of leadership has always troubled me in politics. It seems that everyone expects something different. Some want charisma, some toughness, some integrity, etc.; and most want everyting. Problem is that until someone holds the highest office there is no easy way of assessing his leadership qualities. When someone is leading the opposition they have an easy job ... they oppose, simple. And they can say what they want in opposition, they can appear forceful and innovative etc. I have always found that, in opposition, any politican can make dramatic statements of what he/she will do in office; but when they are elected to that office, they come out with the same meaningless bs that they criticized when they were in opposition. Seems to me that the guide should be when thinking of leadership qualities: "don't expect too much, and you won't be disappointed." And if a new leader doesn't deliver what he promises, don't be disappointed; he will quite happily blame his failings on the previous administration. It goes like this; "I am sorry I can't fulfill my promises to cut taxes, increase pensions, make hamburgers grow on trees, because of the fiscal mess left by my predecessor in office." I just vote for a party whose general principles I agree with (in my case the NDP) and hope for the best.:)

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Hardly strange, it's no coincidence that you claim to be non-partisan in reply to my posts. :p However I don't come on here in a propaganda mission, after all I'm not even running for any kind of position.

Yes, it was crime maps.

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I am.

I've never been a member or affiliated to any political party, unlike some.;)

As pointed out earlier I've crtiticised the Labour government over three major issues this week, and labelled them as sleazy. In the past I've praised the few actions of our Tory run council that I think deserve noting. Hardly the actions of a political activist for the Labour party.

I'll carry on being critical of what I think needs criticising, which more often than not are the failings of the Conservative run council to deliver the quality of services I think we deserve.

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You don't need to be a member of a party to be partisan.

But by your logic, because I've criticised Conservatives, I've even praised our local Labour MP, therefore I must be non-partisan.