Will Greg Pope remain a rebel?
 

I know Entwisi's just asked the question in another thread, but I think this question deserves it's own thread.

As Greg Pope has been revealed to be one of the thirty nine rebel MPs who are opposed to the abolition of the 10p starting rate of income tax, will he and others remain as rebels, or will they, and he, cave in to pressure from the party?

Considering that traditionally Hyndburn is a low pay constituency for many, and that some of the lowest paid people will be worse off, I personally really hopes he stands his ground, and fights for the people he represents.

Who are the 39 rebel Labour MPs? | Politics | guardian.co.uk

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i would certainly like to think so,but the cynical side of me says- no-way hose.:rolleyes:

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I too hope he stands his ground. The people seeing 100% tax rises are the very people who should be praised not punished because they're doing a job, even when it doesn't pay that well, rather than living off the state!

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In which case would this be enough reason to NOT vote for him or is it a minor annoyance>?

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I think (well hope anyway) that he would stand his ground on this one. If he disagrees with anything then surely he has the right to say this and I would hope that he wouldnat back down under pressure and become a sheep like oso many of them are

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I hope they all stand their ground. I am one of the unfortunate many who has seen their tax bill go up as a result of this......and I claim for nothing.
I don't WANT to have to claim to get my money back.

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that question should be directed at the voters i think ian.:D

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I think that many will stand by their principles, because they know that Brown is on his way out, so they having nothing to gain personally by supporting him.

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You could say that if the 10p tax rate is lost that he proved himself useless to his voters.

I hope he stands his ground and wins.

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Hang on in there Greg............:D

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I should like to think so but I wouldn't be surprised if he says one thing and does another after the Post Office fiasco. :(

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It is disgraceful that you may have to claim YOUR money back. Maybe they are hoping people won't bother therefore leaving more pennies in their pockets so to speak. Nothing would surprise me anymore!!

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I don't usually take much notice on how MPs vote, well not now anyway, but I can't really ever remember Greg voting against the Government, I maybe wrong, but I do hope that he is not fobbed off with meaningless promises from Brown and Darling, but only time will tell

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He didn't vote for the closures - that's just Tory spin. What actually happened was that the Conservatives put in a motion that they claimed would save the post offices, but Greg did not believe that it was feasible so voted against it. It was then claimed that he voted for the closures when in fact hasn't.

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I read somewhere that the labour whip boy greg pope quickly stood down after...

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So he voted for closure then? The original reason was that it isn't feasible to keep post offices open. If he voted against keeping them open, because the Conservatives proposals were not feasible, then is that not voting for closure?

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No doubt you can ask him yourself , he will be watching with interest !:)

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As Meatloaf said......You took the words right out of my mouth. ;)

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No, he voted against a plan that wasn't workable that is not the same as voting for closure.

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May well be lindsay but I don't think he will take any part in this debate, that is unless he votes against the Government next week that is:D

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Why would I vote to close post offices, indeed why would anyone vote for such a thing? To the best of my knowledge there has never been a vote on post office closures as they are, in fact, being closed by Post Office Ltd rather than directly by the Government (this is not to excuse the Government from all responsibility, just to point out that the Government is not actually doing the closing).

Some facts: there are 14,000 post offices of which 9,500 lose money and are subsidised by the taxpayer to the tune of half a million pounds a day, every day; many postmasters want to leave as they, understandably, don't want to run what are in effect failing businesses; fewer and fewer of us actually use post offices - 4 out of 5 pensioners get their pension paid into the bank for example, and like many people I renewed my car tax online. As a result of all this 2,500 post offices are closing.

At the end of this process the Tories tabled a motion saying how terrible it all is. It didn't propose saving any post offices, nor did it suggest how we might pay for saving post offices, or even propose who might run them, nor did it mention that 3,500 post offices closed when they were in office. In short it was stunt and I didn't fall for it. It is simply untrue to say that I voted against a plan to save post offices.

Come on, it's bad enough being blamed for what I have done without adding to the charge sheet stuff that's not true!

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Thank you Greg !:D

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Greg really is the ONLY mp i would turn to without a doubt - people forget what he actually does for his local constituants & goes out his way to help, whereas PB or anyone else from other partiesv wouldnt give a monkeys, like dentist issue, CT, etc etc.

Would like to express my sincere thanks to him & his lovely staff, whom are brill & always happy to help:D

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errr please correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't it this goverment that actually FORCED pensioners to open accounts to have their pensions paid into. My mother being one of many that didn't want to change from the giro slip but had no choice in the matter. I know of a dozen others from a very small sample group as well so please don't start telling me she was one in a million. Quite simply Chip and Pin and electronic transfers of money confused a heck of a lot of them and was widely reported in the press and not just the tabloids.

Please don't start blaming businesses for failing when its the goverment policy that robs them of one of their core services. Yes road tax is available for some online but not all, with PO's shutting its becoming more and more inconvienient for those who do have to visit to get one.

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Big brother is watching you:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::D

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I renew mine on the phone, as it's easier for me than physically going to the P.O.

I've not hasd the need to go to a Post Office since the one in Oswaldtwistle moved into the Co-op, which I think is over two years ago.

Anyway, this thread is really supposed to be about the changes to the tax system.

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The dentist issue is of this governments making and no one else, and what the hell has PB got to do with dentist anyway:eek:

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Or just our elected Memeber of Parliament taking an interest in local people's concerns via a forum.

He could answer our questions on the council run forum, you remember the one that we got £700,000 to set up, but which through either apathy, or incompetence, folded?

Nevermind Big Brother, it'd be nice if Big Peter, our council leader, felt able to communicate on this forum with the people whom he represents:D

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May I ask why you did not attend the debate on the the matter that you voted against?

There were many ideas put forward by both the Conservatives and the Lib Dems, in fact even Labour. It's simply not true that the ideas had no substance. Here are just a few, many more were mentioned in the debate: Keep our Post Offices open - Campaign - Conservative Party

You say postmasters don't want to run them, well no wonder, what's the payoff they get again, 60k? and threats to not give them the payoff if they resist closure, which they have no real choice in, hence its better to take the 60 grand option.

You might say its a 'stunt'. If this is a reason to vote against it, then I think its a very poor show. You should be voting for the constituents, to save their post offices, not voting against it because your party might look weak.

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Yes Rindi there is a bit of thread wandering here, so if Greg is still watching are you still going to oppose the Government or not, I certainly hope you do Greg, as it doesn't look like Mr Brown and Mr Daring are going to budge on the issue

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yes it was and in true Politicians stylee he didn't answer the question preferring to divert his answer to something unrelated.

Come on Greg, tell us the answer to the original question, Are you going to oppose the budget or follow the whip.

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He doesn't need to Rindi, as I've said before why should he answer to faceless people on here. Anyone who wants to talk to Peter on anything can go to see him in his office face to face, but I suppose its hard to call some one idiot in chief when your looking them in the eyes and not tapping away on a keyboard

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No, of course Peter Britcliffe doesn't have to communicate with the people of the borough on Accy Web. He just uses his column, and the letters page of the Observer, to get his message across to the 'faceless people' of Hyndburn.

Just because Britcliffe isn't a member of Accy Web, please don't criticise Greg Pope for coming on here to answer our questions.

I for one am very happy he takes the time to do so.

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I am not criticising Greg, if he wants to come on here and answer question all well an good, but Greg IS selective on he issues he replies to. And has for the letters page of the Observer, I think I can count on one had the number of times he has had letters published, and its always in reply to a prieviously published letter, last Friday was in reply to the letter by Graham Jones the week before.

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If Greg Pope was on here 24/7 I'd be more than a little worried that he wasn't doing his job properly.

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looks like we will never know

BBC NEWS | Politics | Darling 'U-turn' on 10p tax rate

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I think you are getting your local and national politics confused. What do local politicians have to do with the lack of NHS dentists?

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Probably the same thing as they have to do with Post Offices, in that they are both seen as providing a service to the community.;)

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.....And local politicians can do nout about either

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I thought one of them imparticular was leading a campaign to save local Post Offices?

Well, in between taking council business away from them.

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Might have been but if the member of parliament can't do nout about it there ain' much chance for the local councillor, The fact of the mater is the rot set in with the Post Office when this government took the benefits contract away from them, and forced people to open bank accounts, even when you tried to open a Post Office Card Account they tried to persuade you to use an ordinary bank accout, and yes I know because they tried it with me. And ou have also got to remember that its because of European legislation that they went down this road anyway

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one paper think it was LET reported that Greg U-turned...

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Well in that case it would have been wise to warn your old friend Britcliffe that he was wasting his time trying to save local Post Offices?

Sounds as if a time and motion study survey should be implemented for some people.

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Greg will do exactly as he's told. To paraphrase the ex-chancellor Mr. Healey,
"He's about as rebellious as a dead sheep."

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As much as Greg does stuff for the community which is all good, i cannot argue with the above point.

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but it would be nice to hear if he is honest enough to say.

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on what? the 10p tax? that is probably horse manure, as Brown has capitulated to the rebels.:)

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The government might have capitulated, but they still haven't come up with how they are going to finance it. The only thing we can be sure of is that we will lose anther rain forest, to print out the forms for those people effected, they'll still take the money off them and they'll have to claim to back. This Government is big on red tape, but not much good on the causes of red tape, they produce it faster than a cow produces manure:rolleyes:

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I find it amusing that they talk of "compensation". My understanding of the English laguage is that compensation is payable when someone has done something WRONG against you. So is that an admission that the abolishment was the wrong thing to do? If so why isn't it being put back asap............

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Come on entwisi they have to find something for their army of civil servants to do, after all they have created another 850,000 new post since 1997, If they put it back asap as you say it may look like a U-TURN:D