How would you deal with anti-social behaviour?
 

The police should make young thugs’ lives as uncomfortable as possible by following them around and filming them wherever possible, according to the Home Secretary.
Jacqui Smith is expected to admit that ASBOs aren’t working and that more radical solutions are called for.
How do you think we should tackle the issue of anti-social behaviour?

Iv always said, go back to the old days.......
we need to show em whos boss!!!

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I'm all for the stocks - nobody likes public embarrassment :D
The birch would be considered too strong by most but for violent ASB it could be an option.
Until hanging is brought back though nowt will change for the good imho.

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i think for all them you hear shouting in the street(like here last night at 1am)
a few of these should be used

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And watch the whole thing fall to bits, when the first yob starts whining, via a fatcat lawyer funded by legal aid, that his/her human rights have been infringed. And the ironic thing is that this present government enshrined the European Convention of Human Rights in UK law in 1997.

Yet another gimmick from a gimmick-obsessed and increasingly desperate government.

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1998 ;)

But yes the human rights act is causing us lots of problems! Yes people should have certain rights, but I think the human rights act sometimes goes too far.

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OK, I stand corrected, Cyfr. However, the Human Rights Act seems to have benefited all manner of yobs, criminals and terrorists, while ordinary, law-abiding citizens can no longer smoke in pubs and will eventually have to pay for the privilege of carrying an identity card.

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I would make the parents more responsible. If 12 year old Tyron steels a car make his parents pay for it. If they can't send the child to prison send hhis parents - get him into care and give him a chance.

The vast majority of kids problems are caused by the parent/s they live with. Get vulnerable youngsters away from their home environments asap. It is in the home they learn their loutish behaviour and I am sure that if someone sat down and analysed the figures we would discover that there has been a drastic rise in anti social behaviour since the theory that children must be kept with their natural 0parents came into fashion.

Most Reception Class teachers can spot the kids that are going to be a problem after their first few weeks in school. although costly in the short term a removal policy would save a fortune in the long term.

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You make it sound like it is solely all parents responsible Polly.
Peer group influence also plays a major factor in a lot of instances, as any teacher will also know.

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theres also special needs that arent diagnosed in reception class.... at the last place i worked there was a child labeld by the teachers as a trouble maker.... turned out he had aspergers.

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European Convention of Human Rights is 1950 actually, its the Human Rights Act the is 1998 and it was enforced in the year 2000. Although we didn't have it enshrined into our law, being a member of the EU makes it compulsory anyway, so it wouldn't have made much difference. Even non-member countries are under some rules and regulations, you can't just go against peoples rights in Europe, ever since the joys of WWII, which I sometimes get the feeling some people would like to actually incorporate into our society...
Common mistake to make :)

I think its a case of what you do with dogs, provide them with long tiring activities and discipline. There is nothing for teenagers to do, and until there is something to do then they are going to just wander the streets. Obviously providing things to do doesn't solve all the problems, some teens will still rink and take drugs and have sex etc, but it would get many of the younger ones off the street probably.

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I'm well aware of that, which is why I said that the Convention was enshrined into UK law in 1997 (although it was actually 1998, as Cyfr pointed out). In fact, UK citizens have been able to claim that their human rights have been infringed under the Convention at the Human Rights Court in Strausbourg since 1966. However, they could not enforce their rights in the UK until this government passed their Human Rights Act which, as you say, became enforceable in 2000 (October 2nd, to be precise).

As for the requirements of the EU, this seems to me to be yet reason to leave this corrupt, bloated, undemocratic institution. Presumably, the "people's rights" you refer to include the rights of various dangerous and hate-filled preachers of Islamic fascism not to be deported to their countries of origin, but to remain as guests of ours. I would suggest that we simply send them back and if our masters in Brussels object, do what the French do, when there's an EU ruling they don't like, and tell them where to go. Terribly unsophisticated I know, but tough! :p

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Ive said this before in another thread, but now i cant remember what its called:p National thingy? you know, when boys were forced to do it? Army stuff? I think it should be more community based now though. Make them improve the area then they'll have more respect for it.
The boys who killed Sophie were said to probably have evil in them but was brought more to the front by thier upbringing.

Its the nature nurture debate.

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national service?

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Thats it lol

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There are p0lenty of things for teenagers to do . To start with many of them would do well to put much time into their school work. Then there are activities such as Scouts, Guides etc Sports teams. The average teenager has a whole host of things to do without even going outside their own front door.

One of the big problems is that certain parents dont want their little dears hanging around the home and virtually throw them out on to the streets to become a mence to society.

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Not all parents by any means but virtually all parents of kids who exert anti social behaviour
The big problem is that it is the good parents and the rest of us that currently end up paying for the irresponsible parents.

Peer group pressure is not a consideration with children entering the education system many of whom have never been outside the family unit before. Peer group pressure is also an over used excuse for parents who do not have the respect and therefore the control of their own children

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Where did 'Islamic fascists' come into this question about teenagers in britain hanging around on streets?

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Thread wander...I do it a lot. ;)

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Ok, I will say it again, bring back national service, hanging, birch, etc etc, polly, your are beginning to sounds like a social worker, and in my opinion, they are part of the problem, plenty of good intention but no idea about reality, you cannot blame the parents totally, and cannot go around removing children from families because one/all the children have problems, you need to diagnose the problems CORRECTLY first, then address those problems, removing the kids is not the answer, I have two adopted children who are problematic, so am I to be locked up, and my other kids taken away because of that?

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the way ive always found best to deal with anti-social behaviour is- pick on the biggest.;)

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Think this is a classic example of tarring everybody with the same brush speaks volumes. I certainly don't think that because your two adopted children are problamatic should mean you should be locked up or have your other kids taken off you:(

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Thank you bernadette, though I was myself generalising when I said bring back ns, hanging etc, dont see any easier way to reduce crime and immigration at the same time though. ;)

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One of the drawbacks of this lovely weather is that the morons emerge from their caves - drink too much - play loud music - sweat and smell (or overdose with perfume poisons)-
We are not a civilised nation - other countries cope with heat calmly so that everyone can enjoy it

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Only if they are not a holiday resort eh margaret? otherwise some of the same idiots go and spoil thiers too. :rolleyes:

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English people are well known for being badly behaved on holiday abroad, so I wouldn't say we are even behaved then.

We should all be sat inside like me, curtains closed, studying something interesting like Contract law. It's good for the soul.

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You trying to kid yourself blazey? Cos you aint kidding me. lol

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For the first time this term I managed to go a full day without an alcoholic drink yesterday, and my head hurts so much today that there is no way I am doing the same again, so I am going to crawl to the refuge of my college bar later and make myself feel better.

But yes, staying inside studying is brilliant for the soul, so exhilarating... if you are drunk

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your head hurts because you havent had a drink :confused::confused:

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I have avoided visiting countries that allow Union Jack shorts.
I have been to most western European countries, but not mainland Spain,
so my holidays have never been spolit by louts.

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Yes, you see when you drink every day your body gets so used to it that when you stop doing it you get ill. I presume its the same when you quit smoking...

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yep....cos i am addicted to nicotene

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You would normally feel 'out of sorts' at the very least if you were to break any addiction, your body gets used to the addictive substance, when you change, the body resents the change, this goes for any habit, even a non addictive one like a particular routine, if you break the routine, you will spend time feeling out of sorts.

Another thread wander by the way blazey, too late to break the habit now, lol

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Never mind, my youthful spontaneity will hopefully be appreciated by someone somewhere.

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Try speakers corner. :jimbo:

Why not allow the victims of all crimes to claim for their loss through the County Courts and put the criminals in debt for the rest of their lives?
and hound them with baliffs if they do not pay up.........parking fines spark these bullies into action...why not the real criminals?

No credit - No Mortgage - No Car......only an idea?

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Second thoughts on this why not make the County Court order automatic at the expense of the government?

I was burgled just before I left England..I lost a few items which I could not replace at any price...the nerd who did it got twelve months but I feel this plonker is still in debt to me.

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I am surprised that anyone with adopted children, particularly 'problematic' ones could interpret anything I have written as being the views of a social worker. The theory withing social services is that children should be kept with their own, natural families at any cost. This is the reason we have so many 'problematic' children.

A correct (clinically evaluated) diagnosis can take years, during which time the child gets worse and society at large suffers greatly.

Many parents have either lost control or never had it in the first place. Not removing the child and giving them a better chance elsewhere is an infringement of their human rights and makes us all suffer.

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Why not indeed............ and if the criminal is under 18 (yes 18 parental should not stop at 16) the lets hound the parents too... its their fualt let them pay.

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Oh yes, let's take away peoples rights to mortgages and cars, how many criminals would you expect this to disadvantage? Fines do occur, problem is that most people only pay them a little bit at a time because they can't afford to just pay massive lump sums, and if you did force them to it would only increase the problem of poverty and no doubt increase crimes, particularly shop lifting and muggings.

If that was a realistic idea, I don't think the government would hesitate to implement such a harsh fining system. Can't think of anything else the government holds back on sponging money from, so why not? Because it would be ridiculously damaging to society, which is pretty damn obvious.

And just a reminder for Royboy39, but this is a public forum, so in theory it IS pretty much a place for me to air my views whether you like them or not. Stop aiming your sarcastic abusive comments at me. This forum (allegedly) doesn't tolerate personal attacks, and I don't see why I should be made to feel unwelcome.

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Just to add, children are criminally liable from the age of ten.

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"Stop aiming your sarcastic abusive comments at me. This forum (allegedly) doesn't tolerate personal attacks, and I don't see why I should be made to feel unwelcome"
You aren't being singled out Blazey - quite a few of us have been in his 'firing line'.

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For good reason sometimes......picking on the odd members of this forum really gets my back up when it is obvious that the one on the receiving end is not as well versed as the attacker.

Stick together you two girls.......your brownie points are mounting.

One of the attributes of a good member is not to try and make the other member look or appear silly.

Blazey...........when the boot is on the other foot you dont like it...It shows.

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do you think you are a good member?

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Thats not for me to say........I have a lot of friends on these forums and one or two who dont agree with what I post....such is life.

To carry on with the subject........Where is this anti social behaviour going to end?
Three Injured In Darwen Woods Attack (from Lancashire Telegraph)

I think the attackers in this disgusting display of cowardice should be put away for a very long time?

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Easy:

Prison

( but not a holiday camp)

Basic Small Cell, food and water. and Absolutely no frills:

( or phone cards )

They can spend their time doing good... making things, Braille translation and so on:

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In theory yes, in practise we are constantly seeing the 11 - 18 year olds getting away with alsorts. We need to deal with reality not what the books say.

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How about throwing in some character and skill building hard labour too - unpaid of course?

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thats EXACTLY what you did on the other thread, ya got to be able to take it, or not give it.:rolleyes: just airing me views.lol

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Yes sounds good .... I am so sick of these yobs getting away with almost every wrong they do: WE ARE FAR TOO SOFT OF THEM. prison should mean just that: ( then we could build more of them )

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There are many cases were 10-18 year olds have been convicted, not to mention Thomson and Venebles being controversially tried in an adult court.

Last time I was in court I saw a 17yr old get fined for the 3rd time, and she didn't look at all bothered, which is why I stand by my views that fining doesn't make a difference.

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Well I don't know if you have noticed, but he seems to have developed a personal vendetta against me simply for asking him what he reported the other day.

I'm not imagining it because other people have asked me what his problem is, so I don't particularly care if you want to jump on his bandwagon.

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Ok polly, my adopted children are far less problematic now than with thier natural father (who is a drug dealing/using, drunkard, who cant hold a job down, has been to prison, and has several convictions since, and is still on probation at 27) social workers are keen to allow him access to the kids, even though he had absolutely nothing to do with for 3 years, paid nothing towards thier upkeep, and recently sent them a dvd as a present which turned out to be a bad copy, and was a 15 cert, the eldest is 7? He mentally and physically abused the mother. So if the kids remain problematic, who goes to prison? me, or him?

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not jumping on anybodys bandwagon, have disagreed very strongly with royboy on some issues, just giving my opinion without deducting karma, unlike some:D:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Oh him definitely, after all he seems not only to be the cause but also to be aggravating the situation. Your circumstances seem to prove my point that kids like this can improve if they are removed from their environment. You say the children are improving and that sounds like it is due to you - well done. The downside of course is the social workers wanting to allow the natural father contact. Why? What has he to offer them? Why do they need him? What they need most of all is to be protected from him and given a chance. At least that is what it sounds like from what you have told us.

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I agree entirely. I am sick to death of working 16 hours a day 6 days a week to poay the Inland Revenue extortionate amounts of money to keep prisonesr and worshy baseball cap types in the lap of luxury. That and to i8nvade foreign countries.

As a society we need to realise that we need to have standards and if individuals dont stick to them then the honest, hardworking genuine types do not have to keep them