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jambutty 26-05-2008 13:13

Carbon Credits
 
According to Ceefax on BBC TV:
MP’s back personal carbon credits.
The government should go ahead with a system of personal ‘carbon credits’ to meet emissions targets.

The Environmental Audit Committee said the scheme would be more effective than taxes for cutting carbon emissions.

Under the scheme people would be given an annual carbon limit for fuel and energy use – which they could exceed by buying credits from those who use less.”

I think that the words “CRACKPOT IDEA” fit in neatly here.

Any such scheme would be expensive to implement (just like ID cards – which I understand the government is going ahead with) and probably unworkable. But it would create yet another Quango and another layer of bureaucracy between the government and the people.

If this scheme does get the nod, E-Bay’s going to be busy.

lancsdave 26-05-2008 13:17

Re: Carbon Credits
 
How many millions a year does it cost us to keep these clowns in the parliament circus ? :mad:

accyman 26-05-2008 13:18

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simple answer is to rip out yor gas or electric fire and put in a real fire and burn what teh hell you like to your hearts content :)

andrewb 26-05-2008 13:38

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For the record the government have already shelved these proposals. It's the cross party committee recommending them.

Margaret Pilkington 27-05-2008 11:53

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I think these boffins need to get their brains working on some other projects......such as finding alternative sources of energy.
This is just another ploy to take our hard earned money.

entwisi 27-05-2008 13:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 581779)
burn what teh hell you like to your hearts content :)

what lik your local MP for example? :D


Oh, hang on its a smokeless zone......

Wynonie Harris 27-05-2008 13:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 581775)
But it would create yet another Quango and another layer of bureaucracy between the government and the people.

...and, of course, create yet more highly lucrative non-jobs for those who like the sound of their own voices - a particular speciality of this government! :rolleyes:

accyman 28-05-2008 19:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 582314)
what lik your local MP for example? :D


Oh, hang on its a smokeless zone......

i would never condone the burning of a polotitian

not when there are so many other ways..

crucifixion for example ;)

accyman 29-05-2008 18:33

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 583231)
i would never condone the burning of a polotitian

not when there are so many other ways..

crucifixion for example ;)

i dont see whats disgusting and offensive about that but if the anonyous, spinless and guttless moron who thought so would like to explain instead of hiding behind the karma system then im all ears :rolleyes:

cashman 29-05-2008 18:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by accyman (Post 583822)
i dont see whats disgusting and offensive about that but if the anonyous, spinless and guttless moron who thought so would like to explain instead of hiding behind the karma system then im all ears :rolleyes:

P.M. me accyman if ya want to know how to work out WHO.;)

accyman 29-05-2008 19:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 583830)
P.M. me accyman if ya want to know how to work out WHO.;)

lol its either the same god squad member that got me before coz i mentioned crucifixion and also got my picture of jesus removed from the carpenter thread or one of the wannabe poloitions on here

either way they made baby jesus cry and their going to hell :D

anyway to get back on thread

the phrase carbon foot print should be removed from existence mainly because all it has acheived so far is a rise in cost on almost everything

jaysay 29-05-2008 19:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 582320)
...and, of course, create yet more highly lucrative non-jobs for those who like the sound of their own voices - a particular speciality of this government! :rolleyes:

I've only just picked this thread up, but I agree with you totally Wynonie, this lot, I won't call them a government, have employed more jobsworths and extra civil servants than any government in living history, they have more "Placed" people on quangos all over the country, or as you put it non-jobs. I think the idea was a form of gerrymandering, in as we gave um a job they'll vote for use, whiter than white government, don't make me laugh my lips are chapped:o

derekgas 29-05-2008 19:21

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There are plenty of options around now for renewable energy, and the more gas and electric go up, the more viable the options are, the problem is of course, the poorer people would have to be paying the richer people (again) for the credits, because the richer people can afford the extra insulation and renewable energy measures which would contribute to thier savings, thus allowing them to sell to the people who cant afford these measures.

Margaret Pilkington 29-05-2008 20:35

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If the government were really serious about the carbon footprint we all create, they would be far more encouraging to those who want to use renewable energy sources and all houses would be built with solar panels to provide at least some of the energy used in that home....and any left over would go to the national grid.....but as lwlays, they are all mouth and very little effective action.
It seems the only thing this government can put forward is punitive action....and unfair punitive action at that.

entwisi 30-05-2008 06:35

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All this CO2 this and that annoys me. There is zero proof that we are having any man made effect on teh climate. The world does and has always undergone changes. look at the ice age and the fact we came out of it as a simple example.

Even if CO2 etc is a factor unless USA and China stop buring oil at a rate that beggers belief nothing we in teh UK do will have the slightest bit of difference. At the moment all this 'green' stuff is pure propaganda and strutting by a goverment hell bent on taxing people out of existance.

derekgas 30-05-2008 06:49

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I agree Entwisi to a degree, and this is why I have never actively encouraged renewable energy methods, until such time that the public would see some benefit, and now, anybody installing ground source, air source or solar, would see a benefit in thier pocket.

Margaret Pilkington 30-05-2008 07:49

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I agree entirely.
Cows produce more CO2 than humans......and the UK contributes something in the region of 1% of the total CO2 in the world....so whatever we do isn't going to make much of a difference.
I'm sure now that i have expressed this opinion, the thought police will track me down and try to brainwash me.

jambutty 30-05-2008 09:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by entwisi (Post 584125)
All this CO2 this and that annoys me. There is zero proof that we are having any man made effect on teh climate. The world does and has always undergone changes. look at the ice age and the fact we came out of it as a simple example.

Even if CO2 etc is a factor unless USA and China stop buring oil at a rate that beggers belief nothing we in teh UK do will have the slightest bit of difference. At the moment all this 'green' stuff is pure propaganda and strutting by a goverment hell bent on taxing people out of existance.

There is also zero proof that we are NOT having any effect on the climate.

However there is proof that the ozone layer has thinned and disappeared completely over the poles. Every schoolboy knows that the ozone layer filters out much of the harmful UV rays and if it is missing or thinner, which it is, then more UV rays hit the planet. 50 years ago and more, skin cancer was virtually unheard of. An excess of exposure to UV rays has been established as the major cause of skin cancer. That is why we now have ‘sun bloc’ creams that year by year have a higher blocking factor. Science has identified which man produced gasses destroy the ozone layer.

Between 1954 and 1967 I have visited and lived in some of the hottest places on earth and never once got burned by the sun. Tanned yes, burned no. Nowadays I can feel my skin burning within a few minutes of it being exposed to direct sunlight. No doubt the ageing of my skin will be a factor but so will excessive UV rays.

Science has also established that CO2 and methane are the major cause for trapping the heat in our atmosphere. Human activities in burning fossil fuels create CO2 and animals expel methane. In the last 50 years the world population has increased dramatically and the bovine population has outstripped that increase. Ergo more CO2 and more methane. To compound the effect deforestation of squillions of acres has removed the very trees that absorb the CO2 and replaced them with grasslands for raising cattle. What some people might call a double whammy.

Although I agree that this planet has gone through a cooling and warming process over the millennia and we are in the throws of a natural warming cycle, nonetheless man’s activities have accelerated the warming. And that is the point, man’s activities are not the direct cause of global warming but a contributory factor that is accelerating global warming.

I also agree that the UK’s pitiful attempts to stem the tide are a mere drop in the ocean and will not make any meaningful contribution to stemming the tide.

My final agreement is that what we laughingly call a government is exploiting the situation and crying wolf to screw us for more and more taxes.

bullseyebarb 01-06-2008 19:17

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Czech president, Vaclav Klaus, is one of the few who get it right. He calls the whole "Green" movement the next totalitarianism. Read his book, "Blue Planet in Green Shackles."

accyman 01-06-2008 19:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 584139)
I agree entirely.
Cows produce more CO2 than humans......and the UK contributes something in the region of 1% of the total CO2 in the world....so whatever we do isn't going to make much of a difference.
I'm sure now that i have expressed this opinion, the thought police will track me down and try to brainwash me.

i had steak last night and a beefburger today

im doing my bit to save the planet :D

vegitarians should hang their heads in shame

Margaret Pilkington 01-06-2008 19:52

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Good on you Accyman.....


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