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bernie94 29-05-2008 22:02

twins dumped
 
http://news.uk.msn.com/Article.aspx?...mentid=8404154

I found this absoloutely shocking they should be banned from ever having children

cashman 29-05-2008 22:08

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disagree bernie94 they should be jailed then deported after completion of sentence.:mad:

BERNADETTE 29-05-2008 22:11

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Can't say what I think or I will be banned:mad:

bernie94 29-05-2008 22:18

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yes cashman i agree with you but at 72 hes not likely to live long enough to get to court, and why a 59yr old woman wants to go through all that and then dump the poor little ones,

forceten 29-05-2008 22:36

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Some people are just not fit to be parents :(

Lilly 29-05-2008 22:38

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What a disgrace. They are now after going back for more treatment to get a boy! :(

cashman 29-05-2008 23:04

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 584033)
What a disgrace. They are now after going back for more treatment to get a boy! :(

perhaps they should allow them, then re-fuse em re-entry.

emamum 29-05-2008 23:08

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this is disgusting, there are people out there that would love to be able to have children but cant and may not be able to afford ivf and these people get 2 healthy children and throw them away like rubbish!!!

I hope these babies are given to a family that will appreciate the amazing gift that children are!

I remember when i was pregnant with ty, i knew all the way through that i was having a boy and i was speaking to an 'asian' friend of mine and he said how lucky i was to get a boy the first time... i said i didnt give a monkeys about that and i just hoped the baby was healthy!

LYNX1 29-05-2008 23:10

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It's well known that the Asians get rid of girls if they can because they want boys........not saying that all Asians do this but the majority do........the sad thing is that this is tolerated when it should be stopped. :(

cashman 29-05-2008 23:15

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Originally Posted by LYNX1 (Post 584060)
It's well known that the Asians get rid of girls if they can because they want boys........not saying that all Asians do this but the majority do........the sad thing is that this is tolerated when it should be stopped. :(

i would dispute that, majority is not so, yes to many boys are preferable n some do get rid, agree it should not be tolerated.

polly 30-05-2008 01:16

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There are always bad parents from whatever cultural background.
Is this any worse than the parent who had allowed a 10 year old to have 8 cans of larger, as discussed here last week?
At least thses babies will escape their parents right from birth and not have them inflicted upon them. Let us hope they get a good home.

It is seriously worrying that people so old can get IVF and shows that science does not have a conscience sufficient to be allowed the knowldege it has, think embryo bill and what can go wrong with that

BERNADETTE 30-05-2008 01:39

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[quotepolly]It is seriously worrying that people so old can get IVF and shows that science does not have a conscience sufficient to be allowed the knowldege it has, think embryo bill and what can go wrong with that[/quote]I too find it worrying that people so old can get IVF treatment but what I find more worrying is that they are contemplating going for more. The more advances science makes the more worrying it gets. The embryo bill if implemented correctly could possibly unearth some answers to the terrible diseaeses that haunt our society but I worry that sometimes the findings could and will be abused.

lisa1234 30-05-2008 08:00

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 584057)
this is disgusting, there are people out there that would love to be able to have children but cant and may not be able to afford ivf and these people get 2 healthy children and throw them away like rubbish!!!

I hope these babies are given to a family that will appreciate the amazing gift that children are!


completely agree with this.

will social servises not step in and take the next child after all they are obv unfit parents if they can just abandon the babys like that for no other reason other than selfish ones

emzy 30-05-2008 08:18

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I cant believe that they have done something like this. They do not deserve to be parents. They have been unable to have children naturally and thanks to the aid of modern science have been so very lucky to have healthy twin girls, I know that these 2 girls will grow up in a special loving home but for them to be dumped in the way that they have been purely because of their sex is absolutely disgusting. They should be locked up for life for doing so. I cant say anymore or I will too end up banned

grego 30-05-2008 08:34

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It really is disgusting, they should never have been given treatment in the first place if you were supposed to have children at that age you'd be able to conceive naturally, and then to discard the two little girls, beggars belief.

MITZY 30-05-2008 08:37

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I agree with Cashman except on the point of being jailed then deported, why should we keep them, deport them straight away and never let them back into the country.

WillowTheWhisp 30-05-2008 08:58

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Take away their passports, then they won't be able to go back to India for further IVF.

It deeply saddens me the way some people regard girls as a disappointment and even unwanted. When I had my first daughter I got a 'congratulations' card and inside the sender had actually put 'better luck next time' - the next time I had a girl too and I don't think I even got a card from that family.

I know that a boy carries 'the family name' and all that but if these dopes think about it they need women more than they need men because the women are the ones who actually have the babies. I hope these two never get chance to try again and are severely punished for their treatment of these two helpless little ones.

jaysay 30-05-2008 09:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 584113)
[quotepolly]It is seriously worrying that people so old can get IVF and shows that science does not have a conscience sufficient to be allowed the knowldege it has, think embryo bill and what can go wrong with that

I too find it worrying that people so old can get IVF treatment but what I find more worrying is that they are contemplating going for more. The more advances science makes the more worrying it gets. The embryo bill if implemented correctly could possibly unearth some answers to the terrible diseaeses that haunt our society but I worry that sometimes the findings could and will be abused.[/quote]
I totally agree with you Bernie, the thing is these people went to India because there is no way they would get the treatment in this country, not at that age, what really narks me is the fact that these so called "unwanted children" were dumped in this country, if doctors in India are prepared to do these things then the same doctors should be responcible for the end product, but the real victims in this ae the poor kids who didn't ask to be born and were dumped on the whim of self centred people who couldn't care less and are prepared to do th same again, the selfish b******:mad:

emamum 30-05-2008 10:56

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Originally Posted by MITZY (Post 584147)
I agree with Cashman except on the point of being jailed then deported, why should we keep them, deport them straight away and never let them back into the country.

can they do that? I know a few people that have dual nationality, would they be able to take both passports?

cashman 30-05-2008 12:51

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Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 584197)
can they do that? I know a few people that have dual nationality, would they be able to take both passports?

well other countries don't bother much about shutting undesireables (Australia) fer instance n many more, think the question should be ema- will they do that?;)

mani 30-05-2008 13:39

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ah well people time to reign in your horses

all is not what it seems thanks to the daily mail *where the story first appeared*

Quote:

A West Midlands couple who allegedly dumped their twin baby girls after travelling to India for IVF treatment are visiting them in hospital, an NHS spokesman insisted today.

The parents are “attentive to their needs” despite a report that the girls were left at New Cross Hospital in Wolverhampton after their birth by Caesarean section because of their sex, NHS West Midlands said. A spokesman said: “Shortly after birth, the babies were transferred to a unit in Birmingham closer to where their parents live.

“The parents are visiting their daughters while they are being cared for in hospital and are attentive to their needs.

“For patient confidentiality reasons, the identity of the family and the babies are not being disclosed. The identity of the hospital is not being disclosed.

“We are not aware of a referral to social services.”

Birmingham City Council also said today there had been no referral to social services.
http://www.expressandstar.com/2008/0...ins-abandoned/

Loz 30-05-2008 13:40

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They should be thanking their lucky stars they had two healthy children.
Some people are not lucky enough to have one and many people cannot afford IVF so to me this beggars belief and they should not be allowed to try again in the hope they have a boy.
What if it was a girl again?

mani 30-05-2008 14:59

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loz - read above ur post...

blazey 30-05-2008 15:05

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Nevermind, soon we will be able to genetically engineer our own choice of baby and we wont have to dump them. I want boys too. I wonder if I should wait for science to advance, or just dump the girls.

You find out the sex of a baby at 20 weeks dont you? Maybe I could just abort the girls, that'd be quicker than going full term.




This is meant in humour. I realise I am not funny but I might as well post anyway, gives me something to do.

cashman 30-05-2008 15:07

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ah the daily mail, why does this not suprise me:rolleyes: p.s. i buy it on sats only cos its the best telly book.:D

mani 30-05-2008 15:14

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blazey

no u dont find out the sex of the baby not unless the nurses think its ok to

blazey 30-05-2008 15:19

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Originally Posted by mani (Post 584315)
blazey

no u dont find out the sex of the baby not unless the nurses think its ok to

Thats strange, everyone I know seems to find out the sex at the 20wk scan, which included my younger brother and sister. Unless of course it isn't entirely clear, for instances like the umbilical cord being between the legs on the scan and such.

mani 30-05-2008 15:21

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nope not everyone - they may have been witheld

sometimes on the day itself the position of the babies makes it hard to tell too

its to stop abortions based soley on the sex of the child

moon 30-05-2008 15:26

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Thats awful!

emamum 30-05-2008 16:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mani (Post 584320)
nope not everyone - they may have been witheld

sometimes on the day itself the position of the babies makes it hard to tell too

its to stop abortions based soley on the sex of the child

it depends on the hospitals policy.

blazey 30-05-2008 20:03

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mani (Post 584320)
nope not everyone - they may have been witheld

sometimes on the day itself the position of the babies makes it hard to tell too

its to stop abortions based soley on the sex of the child

Well I've never come across that before :confused: maybe the hospital just discriminate against those who they think might do it, but I've never known a hospital to not reveal that information, and I've got 3 friends pregnant at the mo, 2 of which found out the sex of their babies at the scan and one who has been told she will find out at hers which is in a few weeks.

WillowTheWhisp 30-05-2008 20:11

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I know of a hospital down south where they won't tell the mothers the sex of the baby because of the fear of aborting a girl.

So, do we now have a variation on the original story? The babies are still in hospital but the Mum has been discharged. Nothing unusual in that. I still think they are pushing it though if they want to have another go with IVF to try for a boy. They could end up with more girls. As the Dad is getting on a bit and the Mum no spring chicken who is going to look after these children as they grow up?

mani 30-05-2008 22:16

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3 FRIENDS PREGNANT?!

have u not heard of a condom?!

emamum 30-05-2008 22:45

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Originally Posted by mani (Post 584600)
3 FRIENDS PREGNANT?!

have u not heard of a condom?!

erm...... i doubt it was blazey that got them pregnant:rolleyes:

AccyLass 30-05-2008 22:52

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So does the mother want the babies?
Or does she still not want them cos they are girls?
Is she just "tending to their needs" in the crucial first few weeks?
Then flying back to India to get treatment in hope of boys?

mani 31-05-2008 02:19

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none of the parents are goin back to get more ivf

it was sensationalist tabloid journalism that the mail love to publish to dupe naive readers into thinking this is what the asian folks did.

i guess they know the hospital wont release their names and there's a chance the asian couple wont come out publicly for whatever reason so they think yeah we can publish tripe like this and ppl will go for it.

blazey 31-05-2008 17:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mani (Post 584600)
3 FRIENDS PREGNANT?!
have u not heard of a condom?!

Quote:

Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 584605)
erm...... i doubt it was blazey that got them pregnant:rolleyes:


LOL, I laughed out loud at this. Two of them got pregnant willingly and are in stable relationships, both paying for their own homes, 1 renting, 1 has a mortgage , the other, well she made a mistake but so what.

WillowTheWhisp 31-05-2008 20:47

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Maybe they did ask how soon she would be fit enough to try IVF again. Maybe she does want to try again. None of us know her so how do we know.


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