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A mother has reported her sons to the police after they viciously attacked a man, leaving him blind in one eye.
If you found out that your children had been involved in a violent attack, would you do the same?

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Yes I think I would
Just cos it's your child doesn't mean they shouln't be punished

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I seen this on GMTV this morning, i have to say I do feel for the woman, all her family has disowned her!!

if my son had done that to a man for no apparent reason , then yes i would do the same, no one has the right to do that....

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I applaud this woman for her courage and i hope her sons see sense when they have calmed down a bit. They have altered another mans life forever....and they should know that you can't do that and get away with it.
Their Mum heard them boasting about what they had done.....and that is when she took action.

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i did similar once,with my son n that was not a violent attack, it sure learnt him,was only early teens at the time, they took his fingerprints etc n after asking me, put the fear of god in him, it worked he has never done owt wrong since n went on to uni n gained a masters........... so it did him no harm i reckon.

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My Mum caught one of my brothers stealing from her purse and she dragged him down to the police station by his ear-hole. He was interviewed and fingerprinted and stuck in a cell for about an hour(with Mums permission)....we were all warned to expect the same treatment if we stepped out of line.
Do you think this is what is missing in todays society?

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/7427624.stm

Above link to BBC news story

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virtually the same margaret my lad had bought summat that was faulty n just took it in the shop n swopped it, yes i think thats whats missing.

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25 yrs ago my daughter started playing with solvents
took her along to the local police
short sharp shock, luckily it worked, and she is now a credit :gooddog:

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Beechy, did she resent what you did.......? or did she see the sense in it?

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If i had kids i hope i would have the courage to do something like that. I hope they dont blame her for what she did - it was her sons fault anyway if they hadnt have done it then they wouldnt have needed to be reported to the police would they?

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According to the story Jen, her family have disowned her.
And her sons were not teenagers who were 'daft in drink' they were 24 and 27 years old.......old enough to know the difference between right and wrong.

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well if thats the case her family are the same kinda scumbags her sons are in my view.:(

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I read that in the bbc story that they were 24 and 27. Why should her family disown her for what she did - she was standing up for right and wrong and they should actually be proud of her.

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Would they be disowning her if they were some lads up the street?
No, of course not, just because they are her "children" does not make them any less of a criminal
Her family obviously aint worth.....well, owt:)

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iam sorry but i wouldn;t be able to report my own child ; but i would try and get them to hand them self in ; im a mother and my instincted is to protect my own ; and i will no matter what it takes ; even if it means i loss my own life ; don;t get me wrong ; i;d do everythin i could to get them to hand them self in

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And if they wouldn't?
Then what?

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Eek! Its good that she reported them.

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I think the woman deserves a medal, if everyone did that when they know their kids have done something wrong, it would be have the battle, but this day and age parents are worse than the kids, and thats why they go off the rails in the first place

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; even if they won;t my own ; i wouldn;t get involed ; the way the world is today ; i would be the next to be attacked ;if not loss my life ; i won;t take that change ; and they did wrong it will catch them up ; sooner or later i beleave that ; sorry but thats the it is with me ; my kids are my world and only young they need me ;

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that way they learn that they can do whatever they want and get away with it.

Yes i would report my child, hopefully i have brought him up to be a better person than that.

If my child has misbehaved then he is disciplined, it teaches him right from wrong, if he did something wrong and i 'didnt get involved' then he would think that what he did was acceptable behaviour and he would carry on displaying that behaviour.

It is a parents job to ensure that proper discipline/punishment is carried out and in this case the proper punishment is prison.

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don;t get me wrong ; if one of my kids did somethin to the elderly or a child or rape then thats a differant matter ; i would go to the police then ;

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so rape or attacking the elderly is wrong but attacking a guy and blinding him for no reason is ok?

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i know my kids are good kids ; they would never talk back to me ; they know what they would get ; and i hope that i have brought my kids up the right way ; i was just answerin the post as i so it ; like i said it depends on hat they had done ;attackin people is wrong ; i just said that i wouldn;t report my kids for that ; but i would do everythin i could to make them hand them self in ; even if i had to take them to the police station my self ; i would ; but i wouldn;t say anythin ; they would

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Pussycat...I think every parent thinks their child is good......and they maybe a different person when they are with you than when they are with their friends.
I think you should be congratulated on your honesty.......but I could not live with myself if i knew my child had maimed another person and was boasting about it, and I did nothing about it.
And waiting for fate to dish out a punishment is not really on.
Natural justice is sometimes a long time coming.

I hope you are never in that situation.

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I wouldn't hesitate to report my son or daughter for a vicious attack like that. Just because it is your child doing the attacking it doesn't excuse the behaviour.

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I would be straight on the phone to the Police if I knew any of my family, kids or otherwise had done something so cowardly and wrong.
I couldn't live with my conscience if I had done nothing.

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If you know about a violent crime and do nothing then you are as guilty as the person who committed the crime.
I am sure there is a name for it in legal circles but I am having a 'grey' moment and can't bring it to mind.

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aiding and abetting?

http://criminal.findlaw.com/crimes/a...accessory.html

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or even 'accessory after the fact'......it came to me as soon as I had posted.

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at the time margaret i think she hated me for showing
her up in front of her friends..not long after well maybe a decade
she thanked me for it, strange things kids

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I don't think your children realise what parents go through until they have children of their own.

I think these two men will eventually realise that their mother could do nothing else for them but report them to the police......and that while she may be mortally wounded at their actions, deep in her heart she will still love them.

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Didn't see the report Margaret, but do you think this may have been the last straw for these two lads, and that she has had trouble with their behaviour in the past, and had to take drastic action to bring them in line ? Could be they have a past of bad behaviour and she was desperate.

I tend to feel a little like Pussycat on this, but how do you know until in this situation yourself. Like all the mothers on here, I would die for my kids, and quite honestly I DO NOT KNOW what I would do.

Should we still have capital punishment in this country, and it was a crime that brought this sentence ... makes me shiver to think about it but: "Hung from the neck until dead" . could you really do this to your child ?

I think there are lots of mothers who know full well what their kids have done, due to CCTV and media information, that do not report their children.

I think that her family were bad though in not supporting her once she had made this decision.

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if any of my sons beat somone up and blinded them i would first ask why they did it

if i thought the sod deservd a good kicking i certainly wouldnt report them over it

if they attacked a stranger for no reason then yes i would report them


before anyone says no one deserves to be beaten up i think some people do and we will have to differ on that one ;)

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I have done it and been thanked by all concerned for doing what I did, as most here know I am in favour of capital punishment, and I dont really think you could honestly say that, you would have your own flesh and blood birched, or hung etc, very good point katex.

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just seen an advert for mondays gmtv.. the mother is being interviewed and meeting the wife of the man she attacked, i will miss it cos its on at 9 am and i dont get back from dropping ty off till half past..

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I'd have no qualms, whether it be graffiti or GBH.

Anything less is letting down those you purport to care for.

Tough love, not easy to do, but worth it in the long term.

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Record it on Sky plus;)

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I dont have sky plus :(

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Just realised that after I posted:confused:

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Yes, I like to think that if one of my children attacked someone I would see to it that they faced the consequences.

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Although I have never been in this position (and would never ever want to be) I have no hesitation about what I would do.

Katex there was no report of these being problem lads...they are adult enough to know that actions have consequences......at 24 and 27 years old they know they should not be violent against someone else. They are very lucky not to be on a murder charge.
Perhaps if more parents would follow this brave mothers lead we would have a better, and safer society.

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Well Margaret, think you have to be in this situation to know what you would do ... maybe I would, may I wouldn't .. :confused: least I have the guts to admit this. Like I said .. I just don't know ?? Blood is thicker than water. It's easy to hypothesize and say you would definitely do this .. but if that lovely little grandson of yours, later in life, did something like this, do you think you could honestly say you would march him down to the cop shop ? All sounds very admirable and the correct way to re-act .... but at the end of the day........ :dummy:

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I feel the same as the majority about this, if one of mine was or had been involved in something criminal I would report it. It would break my heart to do it but then it would break my heart for them to do wrong in the first place. I would feel I had failed as a parent and, no, I'm not saying, "It's always the parents at fault" because sometimes it isn't but that's how I would feel about myself. I would be heartbroken and ashamed but I would have to do it.

I applaud this woman for what she has done. She's a decent person and she has done the right thing. Her family members, in disowning her, show where these men got their attitude from.

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While i agree that circumstances may change the way things are perceived.......I have not one iota of doubt in my mind about what I would do.........and I would do it to preserve my integrity and his as well and out of a sense of love. If you don't follow through and be true to your lifelong ethics then you live forever with the guilt of knowing that you didn't do the right thing....it is what I would want all other parents to consider too.
You have to be brave to carry out these threats.
My daughter would tell you that I would never promise something without making sure that I delivered on that promise.

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[quote Margaret P]My daughter would tell you that I would never promise something without making sure that I delivered on that promise.[/quote] Think the reason there are so many problems today is that promises are rarely kept regarding discipline and once the kids know you aren't going to follow through you lose their respect:(

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Ah well, naturally respect your thoughts... let's just hope we will never be put in this position. Must be a nightmare to see your children turn into a vindictive attacker.

Not every mother/grandmother are as strong and brave as yourself Margaret and they just go with their feelings; heart overuling their heads.

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I hope so too Kate.....it must be a terrible position to be in...which is why this particular mother should be applauded. I hope her family come to their senses too, and realise that she did what she did, out of love for her boys.
Maybe this is a lesson they should have learned earlier in their lives.

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Still feel there is some history here though .. they surely can't have suddenly attacked someone like this and been caught laughing about it, etc. ? Don't get me wrong, would like to think I would do as this lady, just can't be 100% sure I would.

Will try and watch this interview in the morning to see what she has to say.

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I will be honest here.. it's all very well to type on a forum saying I would report my son or daughter for stealing or what the courts would call "petty crimes" .. but for an incident that would result in your son going to jail for a long time I personally would have to way up the odds.. would it really do much good to the victim? It may give them some comfort in knowing the culprit has gone to jail... but I 'm not sure that would be enough for me.

There was a young lad set upon and killed by a group of youths near my place, I found it disgusting that No parents came forward to the police to say their son was part of it.. but I did meet a resident of the estate were it happend and confronted them about the "silent wall" the police were up against.. I was told sharply that no one is willing to give up their child to spend life in jail when it would not bring the victim back to life...umm?

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Looking at that picture of the victim,,,,I would shop them too,,,even if they were my sons,,,It would break my heart but this is a terrible world we live in now.that poor chap will now be blind ,,,,

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And what would that give back the mans sight?.. no.. would your really give up your son for the sake of doing the right thing?

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YES I WOULD ,ABSOLUTELY,,
think of your own family .if you were the victim,,

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I would like to think I could hand my child in for the wrong doing but I have never been in that situation and never want to be.
It would depend on the crime and circumstances. I would hope I could persuade them to do the right thing and hand themselves in.

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People like that are just monsters,,,

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No, your actions can't give the victim his sight back, but you could give the people you are supposed to love the gift of realising that when we do wrong there are consequences to pay.

I saw this woman on the news. She looks heart broken, but still insists she did the right thing, and would do so again.

She also said one of her sons told her if she did go to the authorities, if not he then someone else, will make sure she never wakes up one morning.

This woman hasn't been paid for any interviews, and more power to her, and others like her, that care about society, and love their children, even if showing that love is sometimes very hard.

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Does this not show though Garinda that there is definitely some history here. They have not been good all their lives and suddenly set out to attack and hurt an innocent victim. They are obviously showing no remorse, and to threaten the mother in this way shows apples rotten to the core and probably her last ditch attempt to stop them hurting anyone else, and hope that they can be reformed by her actions.

Different scenario altogether to what we are discusssing.

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Well said Rindy,
I have three grown up sons,and thank god they are all good honest hard working lads.I feel so sorry for the mother in question,but at the end of the day she is between the devil and the deep blue sea,

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It's hard to tell from a short interview on the BBC news, but she seemed a good, honest woman, albeit one who is heartbroken.

From the report I understood the brothers didn't know their victim, though they showed cctv footage of him being savagely attacked.

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How would people feel if it were their child who had been attacked?? I am sure you would want the perpetrator brought to justice and if their family were shielding them it would never happen. It boils down to right and wrong and at the age of these lads they should know the difference!!!

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I still say it's easy to type one thing.. but to give you child away?

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Being a mum of three grown up sons I applaud the woman, It must have ripped her heart out to do what she did but I would in all honesty done the same.
In my opinion this is the only way to get our society back on track, and if there were more parents like her I think we would see a vast improvement in the way kids are today.

If I suspected one or all of my children behaving in such a way I wouldnt have any doubt but to hand them over. It wouldnt mean I didnt love them , infact quite the opposite and although it would tear my heart out I would like to think that one day they would turn out to be better people.
In the report on tv it said the woman has been banned from seeining her grandchild, well im sorry but the father should be banned till he can learn how to behave and the mother of the child should be standing by this lads mum. if that makes sense

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Personally I wouldn't say anything I don't mean.

To the people who wouldn't shop their nearest and dearest, fair enough, it's their choice, but I think they're wrong.

Loving someone isn't always easy.

Actions-consequences.

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If it was your child that was attacked would you not want justice?

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Mancie its not giving your child away. These thugs were not children but grown men. they should know better, and as for thier mother, she must feel like she has given birth to, and raised monsters, And IT WILL have broken her heart to do what she has done.

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If she hadn't done it what would she have been protecting them from? Prison? Justice?

Perhaps she acted to protect them from ever doing something like this again.

They were sentenced to two years, and will be out in twelve months if they keep their heads down.

Hardly an eye for an eye, quite literally.

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I am beginning to think you condone what these pond life have done...

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Now I did not and do not condone what has been done, I am simply pointing out that for so many people to stand and and say, more or less "I would do the right thing" is not what they may do if it really happend to them.. I say again, to give up your son for life would not be the same as them getting a clip round the ear for the wrong they have done... you would give him/her up for the sake of doing right?

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Well they deserve more.. but the sentence is up to the Judge.. would you really tell on your son if you knew it would be a life sentence? if so why? to have justice in this world?

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I think if i had kids then yes i would hand them in.
In fact if it was any member of my family i would.
Yes it would be heartbreaking but you have to do what you believe to be right no matter who is involved imho.
If it was somebody you didn't know but you knew they had committed a crime you would call the police so why should it be any different if it's family?
My aunty took my cousin(her son) to the police years ago because he was on drugs and he came out of it a better person.
Who knows what would of happened to him if she hadn't shopped him?

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Again the point is being missed... would you shop your teenage son if you knew he would be in prison for life?..

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First of all they weren't teenagers but grown men.
Second of all if my son or daughter killed somebody then yes.
No matter what the circumstances you can't let somebody get away with murder.
Hopefully i will never have to face such a heartbreaking decision but you have to do what is right.
If i knew a stranger who had murdered somebody then i would call the police, it can't be one rule for ne and one for another.
Besides if it became known that i was covering up for them then i would also be charged.
You may think i'm heartless but you don't know me so hope you won't judge me for this.
I am just being honest.

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Kate, the mother was interviewed on the 1.30 news yesterday and according to her story, she heard her boys boasting about what they had done to this man...it was then she decided to phone the police and shop them...although the police say there was quite a lot of DNA evidence that would have convicted them if the mother had not conacted them.

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Yes Yes Yes, I would, these young men have got to learn that there are consequences for their actions and i would echo all the posts about thinking about if the man who was attacked was a relative of yours......wouldn't you want some justice for him.
I also echo the sentiments of Cherokee here, this is the only way to get society out of violent behaviour. How many knifings have you heard about in the last few days? If more parents took a pro-active role in their childrens lives then there would be more chance of beating the thugs who fear nothing.

PS....and this is not an idle threat......I have always considered carefully my threats/promises to ensure that i could follow them through.

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I dont think YOUR getting the point,if any son of mine did such awfal things as that ,i WOULD personaly take it upon myself to name and shame him ,lock him up and throw away the key,,,and i would blame myself for not bringing him up to respect other people,My god they are not teenagers they are just evil monsters.....

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I am thankful that my son is a vegetarian pacifist :)

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Yes I would shop any member of my family if they had done such an awful thing.

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If your child had done this would you not blame yourself?

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mancie mate have thought long about yer question n the answer is YES i would shop him, pure n simple, people can moralise about predicaments fer ever n a day, its either RIGHT or WRONG its that simple to me.

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I know it's not quite the same as the story in this thread but, not long ago, one of my friends found out her kids had been on the rob. A few rubbers and pens from a shop in Accy. She bunged the kids in the car and drove them to the police station.

With her consent they were locked up for half an hour. She told the police not to be softy softy on them, and do what they had to!!! I think that was the best way.

I have always told my kids, if they break the law, I will ring the police.....and I bloody well mean it too. If my kids ever stole anything, and I found out, their feet wouldn't touch the pavement til they had got to the police station. Better to nip it in the bud while young than out of control when they are older.

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slinks that is the only way to define right from wrong IMHO n those who wouldn't can get stuffed fer me.;)

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I have always told my kids that I will love them no matter what they do. But I would shop them if I found them to be committing any crime.

At the age of 3 my dad had me locked in a police cell for stealing some coppers and buying sweets with the money. I can still hear the clang of the cell door and never want to hear it again.

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ill be honest i would hand my kids in if they had done something like that, i would not hesitation to ring the police on them.
my elderst one when younger he taken some money of me and his dad we took him to the police they had in a car went ware he spent the money ask us if we had any photos of him i told them yes they gave it to all the bandit shops and told them if he came in they had to kick him outside. he as not been any trouble since. to me that's how it starts in little bits then get moor bigger so you nip in the bud.

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I hope i am never in posititon that i would have to ask myself that question. But yes i would shop them to the police if need be.

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YES, only wish that more parents would do the same:

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interestingly was on northern news @ 6-30 tonight, a guy in Nelson found a gun n ammo in his sons room n shopped him, the son hated him for it n part of the guys family disowned him, Father n Son were on the news tonight, son is looking at a possible 2 yrs jail,but now says his dad was RIGHT n has forgiven him, maybe just maybe this poor woman is the start of a new trend, certainly hope so.