Well Done Eire.
 

The Irish voted with a resounding NO!

The word is that Brown is still going to ratify the treaty in spite of the fact that it is now dead and buried by the EU’s own rules. Is there no end to this man’s arrogance?

So what’s next?

You can bet your bottom Euro that in a few months time the same treaty will be re-presented with a few minor changes and a different name. Brown, if he is still in office, will refuse to hold a referendum on the grounds that the original agreement to hold a referendum no longer applies because this latest edition is totally different, just like he did last time.

Make no mistake, whilst New Labour is in office they will get a treaty ratified by hook or by crook.

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Hurrah!

We agree.

Well done Ireland, for hopefully throwing a bloomin' big spanner in the works.

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does anybody know what this treaty contains and what it is about??

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According to polls most people in Eire didn't have a clue.

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The simple answer to that is no - not even the people that have read it can understand it.But it seems that at certain times only certain countries will decide the course to take while at other times the ones that were excluded in the first place will take the place of them that were included in the first place.Not withstanding that some countries will be there in the first and second case just in case them in the second case disagreed with them in the first place.Never tell me the Irish are thick.:hehetable

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It doesn't seem to matter what it is all about. It's the thought that counts, not the details. We've had NAFTA for quite a while now, and I don't think anyone understands all the details. However, not too many people really like it all that much.

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The trouble is that they are trying to unite 27 member states with one document, which is barmy and always has been, its time every member state was allowed the same privilege as the Irish, but they know that Ireland wouldn't be the only ones to kick it into touch

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Sir Humphrey couldn’t have put it better.

Have some Karma.

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All 27 countries must ratify the treaty for it to be accepted. Meaning that if just one country said NO then the treaty would be dead and buried.

The people of Eire came back with an unequivocal NO!

The message from one of the un-elected bureaucrats from Brussels on Newsnight last night was that they would look at it again.

Which part of the word NO do they not understand?

The real problem with the EU is that it is ruled by UN-ELECTED ministers and until that is put right the EU will stagger from one very expensive situation to another.

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The trouble is that people rant on about being anti Europe for no logical reason.. did anyone posting actually vote for a Euro MP ?.. I can just about see the image.. JamButty in his wheelchair, bombing down to the polling station with Garinda on his back doing the "jiggy" strange bed couples but true Erophiles!

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Yip I did, never miss my vote at any election, to many people gave so much so we can all vote anyway if you don't vote you don't have a say:rolleyes:

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The rant of a true toe rag whose political acumen can be expressed on a pinhead using a thick felt tip pen.

To set the record straight I did vote for my MEP, not that it will do any good when the real power lies with UN-ELECTED OFFICIALS. And that is the key UN-ELECTED OFFICIALS.

Is that the best that you can do? Make disgusting innuendoes. Grow up you silly little jerk.

Also for the record I don’t use a wheelchair and the last person on earth that I would associate with would be Garinda.

So get lost!

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The only place I've ever carried Jambutty was on my back, to an Accy Web award.

Without me his username wouldn't be that sunny gold colour, he'd be green, and it would only be his personality that was so cheerfully sunny.;)

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Thanks for that JB Just glad i could clarify the position:D:D

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Well i live here in Republic of Ireland ( its not Eire that was when we were part of commonwealth, Ireland left that years ago) I returned here with my work in 2003 i was amazed to find over 300hundred thosand people from all over the Uk now are resident here, Ireland gained alot from E.U membership since 1979 three years ago Ireland became a contributor to the E.U budget and is a strong supporter of the European project. The main reason for voting No was a number of factors, the Yes campaign were very slow off the mark, every home got a copy of the treaty and debates were held in every town and city in the country by both camps, the treaty made great bedtime reading as really no one could understand it as it was done in technical terms. Irelands population has risen in past six years from under 3 million to just over 4 million and we have needed everyone we could get as this economy has seen growth of over 10percent for over past ten years, the whole country has been transformed, most major U.S. compaines especially computers and software are based in Ireland due to a well trained and educated workforce, the U.S investment in Ireland last year was 87 billion, and we have low unemployment. The main reasons for voting NO was that we feel it will threaten our neutrality, and we cannot agree that we should lose our veto for five years at a time, some of the social changes also were hard such maybe the Euopean court could force abortion laws here and we might lose our very low company tax payment ( the lowest in Europe) if these things had been adressed then the Yes vote would have won, we are not as a people antieuropean we are all for Europe but we must stop and take stock now, we dont want to lose our culture or our influence and this treaty did not address these issues, we have been in the Euro since it started and its bolstered our economy and provided stability, we have gained so much and we have welcomed the hundreds of thosands of european workers from all over Europe who have moved here in past five years, without them our economy could not have coped. Many BRitish companies have moved here and i know many families who have made there home here, i believe that we will be made consessions our Prime MInister has no problems with allowing the other 26 countries including the Uk to ratify the treaty, Croatia joins the E.U in 16 months and we might have an enabling treaty to join with them in meantime our country can try and get the concessions it needs and their is a willingness to do it. I noted the Uk is not going to have a referendum on the treaty that is sad in many ways, but in Republic of Ireland we must have a referendum by law on all changes to our constitution, we remain strong Europeans and always will be, but maybe this treaty needed redrafting my regards to all in Accrington especially those i worked with at ASDA

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I stand corrected declan. Republic of Ireland it is. Maybe a passing mod would amend the thread title to reflect the proper name?

Much obliged on setting the record straight on why the vote was No!

It is good to hear directly from the horse’s mouth so to speak.

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Too true, Jambutty, but most people either don't understand or ignore this.

It's good to see that the Irish have put a spanner in the works. However, in the long run, it won't matter, as the EU, like all anti-democratic organisations, feels free to ignore the will of the people. Either, the Irish will be made to vote until they "get it right", or the goalposts will be moved, so that the treaty can go through, if the majority of countries ratify it, rather than all the member states.

Of course, if we had a Prime Minister with the slightest degree of political courage, he would take this opportunity to halt the ratification process and give the British people the opportunity to vote on it. However, as we have a gutless, dithering wimp, this will not happen and we will continue to see our democratic freedoms wither away.

Anyone who genuinely believes in democracy cannot possibly support the EU in its present form. Unfortunately, most of our political masters have no such belief.

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“Unfortunately, most of our political masters have no such belief” is a phrase that bothers me Wynonie_Harris.

We voted our MP’s into office and it is our taxes that pays their wages and expenses. Thus that effectively makes us their employers and they our employees. Thus they are our political servants.

But I think that you are right, The UN-ELECTED mob will move heaven and earth to get what they want as you described.

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Agreed, they are our servants in theory...but most of them act like our "masters", talking down to us in the most appallingly condescending fashion (Harriet Harman is a prime example), deciding what is good for us and generally disregarding our opinions.

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they are "our masters" ya got alot to learn.:D;)

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perfectly true, but theres enough saddos that do.:rolleyes:;)