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Royboy39 14-06-2008 21:09

Politics -This should make interesting reading?
 
1. (David Davies) Does the current round of mud slinging alter your views?
2. (EU Debate) In or Out? Why?
3. (Local Politics) Would you change the party of choice if given the chance?
4. (National Politics) can you say that you like this particular politician. Who and why?
5. (Transport and Carbon Footprint) On your next holiday, what would be your choice. Fly - Drive - Swim?
6. (Public Transport) What would be your choice of transport on your next trip to London, Blackpool or the Lakes?
Long list, I agree but seems to be the topics in focus at the moment.
Let's put the world to rights......There could be a lurking politician in our mid'st taking this on board?

grannyclaret 14-06-2008 21:14

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I am sick of all polititions at the moment,,,they are all greedy grabbing people,,So i dont care about any more polls

Royboy39 14-06-2008 21:24

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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 592910)
I am sick of all polititions at the moment,,,they are all greedy grabbing people,,So i dont care about any more polls

As are we all, but lets get the views,of our fellow members.
This is not a poll but a debate....I think?

Bonnyboy 14-06-2008 21:59

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1. No. Some other issue will raise its head shortly and it will be forgotten about.

2. I assume you to mean the Common Market, not the Lisbon reform treaty. The answer for me is out. It will be argued that it’s better for the economy, this, that and the other. Personally I’m just fed up with all the silly little bits of legislative crap/directives that come our way. One of the latest examples being that all new cars from 2011 will have to driven with dipped headlights at any time of the day. It’s a nonsense that some div gets paid to think up this twaddle. LET ME OUT lol

3. Is it not always the case that once the party of choice has been in a few month, they no longer become first choice ?
Let someone else have a go at the helm soon. I’m a Scot by birth been in Accy for over 35 years. I like Accrington I really do, it’s my home and it is such a shame to see the town die a slow death.

4. Nope.

5. Have a holiday…I cant afford to stay at home lol I will do whatever I have to do to get to my destination. I don’t really give a ****** about my “Carbon Footprint” I recycle, use Energy saving bulbs, drive a small relatively low polluting car…I do my bit

6. If I had to use Public transport then my choice would most likely be governed by price.

I’m no budding politician, guessed folk dint need telling that:)

garinda 14-06-2008 23:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 592908)
1. (David Davies) Does the current round of mud slinging alter your views?

Yes.

I am disillusioned at the current infighting that's happening within the Conservative party.

The only thing going for them was their unity.

Now there seems such a battle between the new hug-a-hoody brigade, and the old hang 'em and flog 'em Tories.

I don't know what to think.

cashman 15-06-2008 00:14

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(1) no in general they are all *******. (2) out if we had gone the whole hog at the begining i may have viewed it differant. (3) yes. (4)none -is no outstanding one in any of the parties. (5) i will fly, not interested in carbon footprints, its always the peasants they expect to do their bit.(6) train to london, others bus,(7) i'm lurking but aint no politition.:D

blazey 15-06-2008 03:47

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1. (David Davies) Does the current round of mud slinging alter your views? Temper tantrums come to mind on this issue, and not getting your own way...
2. (EU Debate) In or Out? Why? In. The EU was initially, and still is one valuable unity we have in regards to economic equality and the avoidance of economic competition between states in the EU, which was ultimately the cause of WWII. Whilst the current system may not be ideal for whatever reason, that fundamental principle entrenched into the Community is important in my eyes, and leaving the EU would not do us any favours.
3. (Local Politics) Would you change the party of choice if given the chance? I currently lack faith in either party at the moment, and both seem to be gaining favour from the public in instances of the oppositions mistakes, rather than any strengths. I cant honestly say a party is 100% more competent than the other at the moment, particularly as the Tory policies will only be fully identified when a general election is called, and there is no doubt that they are playing on ambiguity at the moment.
4. (National Politics) can you say that you like this particular politician. Who and why? I don't quite understand this question, is this asking who I think the leader should be? I would opt for David Cameron over Gordon Brown. My reasons being that whilst Cameron may be playing solely on Labour's difficulties at the moment, he does show competence as a potential leader in my opinion, and a good character. It comes to the question of whether he is acting genuinely, but again, I think this is yet to be made clear in the near future.
5. (Transport and Carbon Footprint) On your next holiday, what would be your choice. Fly - Drive - Swim? Haven't been on holiday for years, and I quite like Blackpool/London, so it would likely be train. I guess this kind of answers the next question too...
6. (Public Transport) What would be your choice of transport on your next trip to London, Blackpool or the Lakes? See above, but if I was visiting Blackpool/Morecambe from Lancaster I would probably take the bus rather than the train. Train travel is probably my favourite type of travel though so if I had to pick one for all three it would obviously be train, as it is the most efficient for my needs.


I don't want to debate my views really, because my answers are all there with reasoning, but I agree that it is interesting to compare with other ideas.

jambutty 15-06-2008 04:48

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Can I offer a slight correction to your post blazey?

WWII was not started because of economic competition between countries, what you refer to as states.

It was started because Hitler had Napoleonic aspirations of conquering Europe and his first conquest after Austria was Poland. We had a treaty with Poland that should the country be attacked we would go to Poland’s aid.

When Hitler ignored our demand to withdraw from Poland we declared war on Germany.

If it hadn’t been for that treaty with Poland there would have been a good chance of us not getting involved in yet another European squabble. Hitler had no plans for invading Great Britain and would have left us alone.

blazey 15-06-2008 05:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 592969)
Can I offer a slight correction to your post blazey?

WWII was not started because of economic competition between countries, what you refer to as states.

It was started because Hitler had Napoleonic aspirations of conquering Europe and his first conquest after Austria was Poland. We had a treaty with Poland that should the country be attacked we would go to Poland’s aid.

When Hitler ignored our demand to withdraw from Poland we declared war on Germany.

If it hadn’t been for that treaty with Poland there would have been a good chance of us not getting involved in yet another European squabble. Hitler had no plans for invading Great Britain and would have left us alone.

OK well I will accept your view, but according to my EU law text book it was pushed forward because of the reasons I stated, though of course the idea to unify Europe was toyed with long before WWII by people such as William Penn in the 17th Century.

Whether you agree with that view or not, it is still a suggested reason by academics and a very valid one in my opinion. WE didn't go to war because of those reasons, but generally it is accepted that there was economic strains between the countries which led to Hitler's ideology and governance in the first place. Had there been no economic problems, perhaps things may have been different.

I do not question the chauvinism, as that is also another element which is mentioned in academia, but it wasn't the element that I personally see as the reason for staying within the EU now in this present day.

jaysay 15-06-2008 09:01

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1 No
2 Out
3 No
4 Any Tory
5 Fly, Drive and Swim (if I cold)
6 Car
:D:p

Boeing Guy 15-06-2008 09:27

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1. Not in the slightest

2. Out, we signed up to a common market, not a united stated of Europe

3. Town Council, No. County Council, yes.

4. Not going there

5. right.... As I am responsible for tonnes of co2 every day, being that I fly at 40,000 feet taking people on holiday, you could say that I am a bit of a skeptic or is it heretic . So fly, no other choice really. and sod the carbon footprint

6. London, Plane, BA if you book early its £80 return to Heathrow. Train last time I tried it was a lot more than that, and car well that's just a nightmare and there is no way I am sitting on a bus for 7 hours. Blackpool and the Lakes, take my car thankyou




Bonnyboy, the bit about dipped headlamps is a safety issue, it is proven to save lives, has done for years in Sweden, thats why Volvo's and Saab's have dim dip lights, the Swedes also cane up with the high level brake light.

blazey 15-06-2008 13:08

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The UK has always been known as a 'trouble maker' in the EU for its reluctance to actually bend to the pressures of the other states, and we've kept out of the EU to date without feeling the need to give in, and there aren't signs of either party giving in to it at the moment...

jambutty 15-06-2008 14:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 592970)
OK well I will accept your view, but according to my EU law text book it was pushed forward because of the reasons I stated, though of course the idea to unify Europe was toyed with long before WWII by people such as William Penn in the 17th Century.

Whether you agree with that view or not, it is still a suggested reason by academics and a very valid one in my opinion. WE didn't go to war because of those reasons, but generally it is accepted that there was economic strains between the countries which led to Hitler's ideology and governance in the first place. Had there been no economic problems, perhaps things may have been different.

I do not question the chauvinism, as that is also another element which is mentioned in academia, but it wasn't the element that I personally see as the reason for staying within the EU now in this present day.

Methinks that someone has been trying to re-write history to try and put Germany in a better light. Go and read the REAL history of Germany.

When Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 Germany was in an economic mess, with inflation running riot at several thousand percent PER DAY. One Million Mark notes were the norm and stamps of the day showed several million marks. Workers would demand their wages two or three times a day because by the time they got the money to the few shops that had something to sell the value had dropped drastically. Some businesses had to eventually resort to offering the goods that they made to their workers rather than actual cash wages.

Hitler turned things around and after becoming the Führer in 1934 set about realising his dream of dominating Europe and expanding the Aryan race. WWII was about grabbing land for the Fatherland and absolutely nothing to do with economic competition between European countries.

jambutty 15-06-2008 15:03

Re: Politics -This should make interesting reading?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 592908)
1. (David Davies) Does the current round of mud slinging alter your views?
2. (EU Debate) In or Out? Why?
3. (Local Politics) Would you change the party of choice if given the chance?
4. (National Politics) can you say that you like this particular politician. Who and why?
5. (Transport and Carbon Footprint) On your next holiday, what would be your choice. Fly - Drive - Swim?
6. (Public Transport) What would be your choice of transport on your next trip to London, Blackpool or the Lakes?
Long list, I agree but seems to be the topics in focus at the moment.
Let's put the world to rights......There could be a lurking politician in our mid'st taking this on board?

1. Not at all. David Davies was right to do what he did.

2. Out. I don’t like the idea of being ruled by un-elected bureaucrats. Even if there was an elected Parliament, bigger is not necessarily better and it will take generations to get each current country to work in unison. France is a classic example of doing what it wants regardless of what the un-elected bureaucrats decree.

3. I would rather vote for a person rather than a political party.

4. My MP is Janet Anderson who is a waste of time.

5. I would use whatever form of transport is right for me, regardless of any ‘carbon footprint’. However that point is academic as the chances of me having an away from home holiday is less than nil. In any case every one of my days is a holiday.

6. See 5 above.

blazey 15-06-2008 15:21

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Sorry JB, I'm trying to focus on EVERY country in the EU and ALL possibilities that could happen in the future, not the past. Economic unity avoids many problems and I think it is worthwhile that we stay within that, with or without the Euro. I am not concerned with WWII, I studied history at A level, it bored me and didn't even go into this topic, no political interest whatsoever on an international level, so I am just going of what I have learned from EU law, and they don't bother going into hitler and what he did, because the law doesn't concern individuals, it concerns all.

Royboy39 15-06-2008 20:34

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Quote:

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 593046)
Sorry JB, I'm trying to focus on EVERY country in the EU and ALL possibilities that could happen in the future, not the past. Economic unity avoids many problems and I think it is worthwhile that we stay within that, with or without the Euro. I am not concerned with WWII, I studied history at A level, it bored me and didn't even go into this topic, no political interest whatsoever on an international level, so I am just going of what I have learned from EU law, and they don't bother going into hitler and what he did, because the law doesn't concern individuals, it concerns all.

Do you not think that this is the reason that (I can't say the majority) a hell of a lot of people are against the ratification and do not want or agree with laws created by unelected glory seekers in Brussels.
'Going into Hitler' as you call it, interested or not, was one of the reasons
you are now allowed to go about your business unhindered.
World War II, boring or not, is something you should study in depth.
Maybe if you did take notice of our history, you would know where the response from a lot of your peers coming from.
Respect to your seniors is something you will learn very quickly if you enter Chambers.
Spontainious reply to serious topics could backfire.

Benipete 15-06-2008 21:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 592908)
1. (David Davies) Does the current round of mud slinging alter your views?
2. (EU Debate) In or Out? Why?
3. (Local Politics) Would you change the party of choice if given the chance?
4. (National Politics) can you say that you like this particular politician. Who and why?
5. (Transport and Carbon Footprint) On your next holiday, what would be your choice. Fly - Drive - Swim?
6. (Public Transport) What would be your choice of transport on your next trip to London, Blackpool or the Lakes?
Long list, I agree but seems to be the topics in focus at the moment.
Let's put the world to rights......There could be a lurking politician in our mid'st taking this on board?

1 David Davies is paving the way for him to be next PM.
2Out - we went in as trading nations only,that was all we voted for.
3as they are all in the buisness of buying votes it doesn't matter.
4who and who??
5Plane sailing!
6London no plans - Blackpool car to the airport - Lakes no airport,train only goes to Windermere and theres only one lake so it must be the car:tongueout
Plane to Alicante or Al Altet to you:)

Royboy39 15-06-2008 21:45

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 593168)
Plane to Alicante or Al Altet to you:)

Alicante will do or ALC.
If you asked for a ticket to Al Altet you may finish up in Northern Mongolia. :rolleyes:

Bonnyboy 15-06-2008 21:48

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Royboy, do you plan on putting your own answers to yhe questions you posed to us ?

Royboy39 15-06-2008 21:50

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 593190)
Royboy, do you plan on putting your own answers to yhe questions you posed to us ?

Yes.............when the time is right. :p

blazey 16-06-2008 00:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 593150)
Do you not think that this is the reason that (I can't say the majority) a hell of a lot of people are against the ratification and do not want or agree with laws created by unelected glory seekers in Brussels.
'Going into Hitler' as you call it, interested or not, was one of the reasons
you are now allowed to go about your business unhindered.
World War II, boring or not, is something you should study in depth.
Maybe if you did take notice of our history, you would know where the response from a lot of your peers coming from.
Respect to your seniors is something you will learn very quickly if you enter Chambers.
Spontainious reply to serious topics could backfire.

I got a B grade in World War II history at A level, and I still take an interest in it but more from a legal perspective rather than a conscientious one.

Respect my elders but not challenge them? I might as well give up in the legal profession whilst I am ahead if thats the way you think it is done.

This wasn't a spontaneous reply either, like I said, I have studied both history and EU law and formed my opinions based on academic opinion. It may not be the majority opinion but what is life without a bit of debate?

Royboy39 16-06-2008 11:53

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 593268)
Respect my elders but not challenge them? I might as well give up in the legal profession whilst I am ahead if thats the way you think it is done.

Did I say that? or is it your academic reasoning that made you think I said that?

lancsdave 16-06-2008 14:19

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Originally Posted by blazey (Post 593268)
I got a B grade in World War II history at A level, and I still take an interest in it but more from a legal perspective rather than a conscientious one.


Which one is correct, the above or below :confused:

Quote:

I am not concerned with WWII, I studied history at A level, it bored me and didn't even go into this topic

jambutty 16-06-2008 14:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 593396)
Did I say that? or is it your academic reasoning that made you think I said that?

Come, come Royboy39, surely you must be aware by now that some people put words in your mouth because they can’t present a counter view to yours, but feel compelled to post something.

Now, how about posting your own answers to your questions. I am interested if no one else is.

jambutty 16-06-2008 14:22

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 593446)
Which one is correct, the above or below :confused:

Nicely spotted. You beat me to it.

blazey 16-06-2008 18:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 593446)
Which one is correct, the above or below :confused:

I studied Hitler, Nazi's and WWII in regards to the actual war itself.

The 'topic' I mentioned in the bottom quote was referring to the development of the EU.

I never even turned up to my history lessons, so I only got the B based on my own interest from outside of college. I'm sure everyone knows of my fascination with the time period though, I went through a long era of being called a nazi on here for it.

Hope that helps.

archiveuk 17-06-2008 11:11

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The big question here is people's lack of involvment in politics , thats to say how many poeple bother to vote in elections, National Local and EU ....
Go on, next time your in the pub or out for a meal just ask your mates if they know who thier MP, thier councillor and indeed thier MEP are?
I'm not trying to patronise anyone here, cause in truth I don't know the names of the last two for myself. But the big issue here is how have we become so apathetic as a democratic society? Look at Zimbabwe ?

Boeing Guy 17-06-2008 11:17

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Blazey a Nazi... Heard it all now

garinda 17-06-2008 15:42

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Originally Posted by archiveuk (Post 593882)
The big question here is people's lack of involvment in politics , thats to say how many poeple bother to vote in elections, National Local and EU ....
Go on, next time your in the pub or out for a meal just ask your mates if they know who thier MP, thier councillor and indeed thier MEP

I don't know where you live, but I certainly know who my M.P. and my councillors are. Both locally and nationally our representatives are fairly high profile, and you'd have to live in a bubble not to know at least one of the people who represents you politically.

As for the M.E.P. I happily don't recognise him, or her.:D

Tealeaf 17-06-2008 15:53

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 593970)
As for the M.E.P. I happily don't recognise him, or her.:D

I doubt if one in ten people could name their Euro M.P.....young idiots like Cyfr and Blazey could possibly do so, but who gives a dam anyway? MEPs are a bunch of spineless, useless pillocks whose only purpose is to line their own and their families pockets. A 100 kiloton nuclear detonation over Brussels would not go amiss.

jaysay 17-06-2008 17:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 593974)
I doubt if one in ten people could name their Euro M.P.....young idiots like Cyfr and Blazey could possibly do so, but who gives a dam anyway? MEPs are a bunch of spineless, useless pillocks whose only purpose is to line their own and their families pockets. A 100 kiloton nuclear detonation over Brussels would not go amiss.

And don't forget the old idiots like me Tealeaf:)

cashman 17-06-2008 17:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 593974)
I doubt if one in ten people could name their Euro M.P.....young idiots like Cyfr and Blazey could possibly do so, but who gives a dam anyway? MEPs are a bunch of spineless, useless pillocks whose only purpose is to line their own and their families pockets. A 100 kiloton nuclear detonation over Brussels would not go amiss.

yeh but if ya did that, osama would get the credit,not you T, so would be pointless.:D;)

jaysay 17-06-2008 17:54

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 594051)
yeh but if ya did that, osama would get the credit,not you T, so would be pointless.:D;)

or Jones would blame Britcliffe:D

MargaretR 17-06-2008 18:07

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Or Jaysay blames Jones :p
When it hits the fan we all get a bit :rolleyes:

Gayle 17-06-2008 18:19

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1. (David Davies) Does the current round of mud slinging alter your views?
Yes, it alters my view of David Davies - where once I thought he seemed like a reasonable man now I think he's a bit of a joke!


2. (EU Debate) In or Out? Why?
In - I think we'd be better off with the Euro.


3. (Local Politics) Would you change the party of choice if given the chance?
I'm going to abstain on this one! ;)


4. (National Politics) can you say that you like this particular politician. Who and why?
I like Greg Pope - I think he's a sound chap and he works hard.


5. (Transport and Carbon Footprint) On your next holiday, what would be your choice. Fly - Drive - Swim?
Next holiday will be Drive. I have been abroad this year so have flown but it was the first time in three years. I walk a lot more than I ever used to. I used to drive to Knutsford every day but now I work locally - part of this was to reduce my carbon footprint.


6. (Public Transport) What would be your choice of transport on your next trip to London, Blackpool or the Lakes?
Train

shakermaker 18-06-2008 11:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593039)
1. Not at all. David Davies was right to do what he did.

2. Out. I don’t like the idea of being ruled by un-elected bureaucrats. Even if there was an elected Parliament, bigger is not necessarily better and it will take generations to get each current country to work in unison. France is a classic example of doing what it wants regardless of what the un-elected bureaucrats decree.

3. I would rather vote for a person rather than a political party.

I agree with jambuty's views.
As for questions 4, 5 & 6?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 592908)
4. (National Politics) can you say that you like this particular politician. Who and why?

This question doesn't really make sense but I'll try and answer it anyway as others have. I thought Gordon Brown would've made a good PM about a year ago. Since then he has destroyed my image of him as a hard worker doing what needs to be done. I wouldn't trust Cameron if you paid me and the rest are a bunch of jokers.
One major problem I have with national politics is that I do not feel like Parliament is representative of the population in the slightest. The rich rule the roost and keep us commoners at a distance.
Quote:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 592908)
5. (Transport and Carbon Footprint) On your next holiday, what would be your choice. Fly - Drive - Swim?
6. (Public Transport) What would be your choice of transport on your next trip to London, Blackpool or the Lakes?

These to me sound like the same question.
Well, I shan't be able to afford a holiday until I retire because of the amount of debt I shall mount up as a student and a first time house buyer in the near future.
Oh, and of course if the Tories get in, no doubt I'll have to pay some sort of 'working class tax' and be force to surrender my academic qualifications (as how can someone from the working class succeed in education? Nonsense). So, I'll be back in Accy working in a call centre until my days are numbered. No holidays for moi.

With regards to transport choice? The one that's economically viable. Environmentalism is super if you can afford it.

jambutty 18-06-2008 12:35

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Much obliged for the positive Karma shakermaker.:D

Eric 19-06-2008 18:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593037)
Methinks that someone has been trying to re-write history to try and put Germany in a better light. Go and read the REAL history of Germany.

When Hitler became Chancellor in 1933 Germany was in an economic mess, with inflation running riot at several thousand percent PER DAY. One Million Mark notes were the norm and stamps of the day showed several million marks. Workers would demand their wages two or three times a day because by the time they got the money to the few shops that had something to sell the value had dropped drastically. Some businesses had to eventually resort to offering the goods that they made to their workers rather than actual cash wages.

Hitler turned things around and after becoming the Führer in 1934 set about realising his dream of dominating Europe and expanding the Aryan race. WWII was about grabbing land for the Fatherland and absolutely nothing to do with economic competition between European countries.

I do believe that the runaway indflation in Germany was in 1923, and was directly connected to the legal occupation of the Ruhr by the French Army. The reluctance of Great Britain to support the French action was one of the first major signs of the break down of the solidarity of the WWl allies. And it is not difficult to see how Hitler "turned things around." By expanding the German Army from 100, 000 men to 35 divisiions he created a boom in German industry, as did the massive public works projects such as the construction of the Autobahnen. But I do agree with your last statement. To understand the genisis of the war, it is best to ignore economic reasons and read Mein Kampf. The invasion of Poland by the Germans provided the English with an excuse to go to war ... up to that point there had been several good, perhaps better reasons for the allies to declare war on Germany; the reoccupation of the Rhineland comes to mind. The declaration of war was the right thing to do, but it was done at the wrong time. Firm action on the part of the allies, if it had been taken earlier, would have crushed Hitler before he really got going. To think that Hitler would have left England alone is to think like Neville Chamberlain.

andrewb 19-06-2008 19:00

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Originally Posted by Tealeaf (Post 593974)
I doubt if one in ten people could name their Euro M.P.....young idiots like Cyfr and Blazey could possibly do so

Thankfully between me you and Blazey, two of us have the innocence of youth on our side. ;)

Eric 19-06-2008 19:06

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 595224)
Thankfully between me you and Blazey, two of us have the innocence of youth on our side. ;)

I suppose the arrogance of youth has nothing to do with it;)

andrewb 19-06-2008 19:10

Re: Politics -This should make interesting reading?
 
1. (David Davies) Does the current round of mud slinging alter your views? Not at all, a very principled man, we need more like him.
2. (EU Debate) In or Out? Why? In, for trade purposes, not for a united europe
3. (Local Politics) Would you change the party of choice if given the chance? I would rather have current than the alternatives
4. (National Politics) can you say that you like this particular politician. Who and why? Greg Pope, nice chap, way too loyal over some issues
5. (Transport and Carbon Footprint) On your next holiday, what would be your choice. Fly - Drive - Swim? Walk ;)
6. (Public Transport) What would be your choice of transport on your next trip to London, Blackpool or the Lakes? Train, Train, Car

Eric 19-06-2008 19:22

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On the question of the Carbon Footprint: I was thinking about my vacation plans the other day, and I decided to take my holidays at home. Thousands of tourists visit Kingston every year; tourism is a billion dollar industry in this town. I think this year I will enjoy what my community has to offer. Yesterday the Snowbirds were in town for their annual visit, and they gave a wonderful demonstration of precision flying over the inner harbour and the Thousand Islands. On Canada Day (July 1) there will be a free classic rock concert with Trooper and April Wine, followed by fireworks over Confederation Basin and Fort Henry hill. Lots of things to do and see right here at home.

blazey 20-06-2008 08:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 595224)
Thankfully between me you and Blazey, two of us have the innocence of youth on our side. ;)

I think the fact that I completely missed Tealeafs comments just goes to show how selective I am when reading threads like these. I just skip the nonsense and read what matters!

I took a great liking to EU law, so much so that I am studying it optionally next year too! Fellow students think I am crazy but I don't care.

For the record, I can only name one and that is Den Dover. His name just sticks into my head because of the Ben Dover jokes :p


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