Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 593045)

They seem fair enough to me. You do moan a hell of a lot and you complain about people insulting you, yet throw around insults like a baby with a pram full of toys.

I suppose this thread will just become yet another 'merits of karma' discussion, as if there haven't been enough already.

Originally Posted by blazey (Post 593047)

I have a different view point to this but on the same lines.

Whilst I do not mind negative karma that is anonymous, I find it unfair when it is abusive rather than some valuable constructive criticism. I can't fix what I have done wrong if you just call me swear words and other horrible things, so it needs to be monitored by the moderators I think.

Offensive and insulting behaviour against other users is against forum rules anyway so why is it allowed in anonymous reputation? I believe abusive reputation should be cleared off a persons reputation, but the person who did it should not get their point back, they will just have to accept they wasted it for the sake of being nasty.

That's my view anyway, and if I remember rightly one of those green ones was off me ;)

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593049)

The problem there is that someone – a mod – would have to decide what is offensive and insulting and what is not. And different people will have different views. I don’t think that it would be workable.

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 593054)

This 'nonsense' karma doesnt half cause a stir on here with regularity.

Originally Posted by mani (Post 593059)

god wont refer to mick b4 making his judgement.

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 593054)

This 'nonsense' karma doesnt half cause a stir on here with regularity, especially as most claim to ignore the negative and not to be offended by it, the problem I can see with changing the signature of karma to a compulsory system is that, like when you change your avatar, the change would be made throughout the history of posts, therefore naming past negative senders, I feel it would be unfair to change those posts without warning, if karma were scrapped altogether, then the post additions may come down, this may make a difference to the big board status which most on here acclaimed.

Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 593112)

I still say if you're "man" enough to be nasty to someone you should be "man" enough to do it out in the open - on the forum. The trouble with those who leave nasty, anonymous comments is that they haven't the guts to be seen to do it. :mad:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 593120)

And achieve what? A whole thread of slagging each other off? Much better to do it privately and then it keeps others out of it.

Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 593131)

Better to do it privately? Be nasty and vindictive? :eek: Perhaps better to learn, in the first place, how to argue without resorting to petty insults.

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 593138)

True, but in JB's case it isn't possible. As soon as you disagree with him he becomes abusive.
I also don't want to see the forum filled with petty argument threads. Much better to tell the person how you're feeling privately.

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593090)

We have a third option accyman.

That is to put forward a proposition for change.

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 593173)

Let's be adult eh?
It's not like having neg karma decreases your life span or makes you ill, get real.

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 593177)

No wonder they looked at me like I was stupid :D

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 593174)

Good God Less.....Jim let's his views be known....only his opinion.
He is obviously upset...we've all been there exept the one's who have no opinion to give and only agree with the fair minded. Debate is what this forum is all about hopefully?

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 593170)

To be honest I don't think that Jambutty knows the meaning of the words 'light hearted' or 'fun'......I think he may have known them in the past, but has become embittered and cynical...for what reason? Who knows?
An before anyone accuses me of a personal attack..it isn't, it is just an observation of fact.

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 593178)

Thought that was your normal look dave? :D:D:D

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 593181)

Be quiet or you will be first to get negative karma off me :p

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 593183)

I actually like serious posts......and contribute to them where I can, but life needs light and shade.....and I cannot recall any post of Jambutty's that has even a smidgen of lightness in it.
We know he has lived long, and that he has a wide range of experiences, but heck can't he lighten up a bit? Is there anything that makes him smile?

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 593174)

Good God Less.....Jim let's his views be known....only his opinion.
He is obviously upset...we've all been there exept the one's who have no opinion to give and only agree with the fair minded. Debate is what this forum is all about hopefully?

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593194)

Before you come down on me saying it's only his opinion, he has let his opinion on karma be known in many threads before now, and it is always the same a long moan about how badly done to he has been.

Do a search for karma related threads and you will find out what I mean, but have about three days to spare if you plan to read them all.

:cool:

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 593197)

I think you may be right.....would it not be a good idea toll roll all the Karma threads into one and bin them?

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 593199)

good idea, sorry but i have to spread it around a bit.:)

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 593206)

if roy/mick/len rolled all the karma threads together and deleted them we'd lose big board status!!!:p

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593207)

The person responsible for this thread might like you to spread it his way, it would be a novelty for him if you could be kind enough to let him have some with a green square next to it!

Oh, and a pleasing remark.
:)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 593337)

Maybe I'm being a bit naive, but where is this karma recorded, I've been looking around and to be quite honest I'm clueless. besides I can't see the point in neg karma, I have had run ins with a few people on here mostly about politics, but would never dream about giving neg karma. In any debate there are two sides and both think they are right, so don't get nasty just beg to differ:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593090)

We have a third option accyman.

That is to put forward a proposition for change.

It’s not the negative Karma WillowTheWhisp with constructive criticism. It is the downright nasty, spiteful, insulting and disgusting comments that need to be stopped somehow.

One way is to force usernames to be attached to them.
The other way is to return the points with interest when the forum rules are breached.
The final option is to dispense with the Karma award thing altogether.

Does it really serve a useful purpose?

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 593426)

You also have a forth option.

Seeing as you have a problem with the forum you could leave and never come back.

What's with all this option rubbish? This is not a democratic forum, it is owned and run by Roy. He can do with it as he likes, if you don't like it then sling you anchor!

Come on lets see those principles you pretend to have. Tell us karma is wrong and leave gracefully.

Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 593429)

nobody as ever or will ever get bad karma from me..

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593432)

NOTE TO SELF:-

With grannyclaret must try harder, then I'll have the full set.
:alright:

Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 593435)

NOPE YOU WONT,,EVERYONE HAS AN OPPINION ON EVERYTHING,,,:alright:it might not be my view and i might disagree in a post ,but NO bad karma

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593436)

What if I was to strangle your white rabbits?
:cool:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593436)

What if I was to strangle your white rabbits?
:cool:

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 593120)

And achieve what? A whole thread of slagging each other off? Much better to do it privately and then it keeps others out of it.

Originally Posted by ozzypostie (Post 593123)

I Never New About This Karma System
Feel My Positivity And Award Me With Some Karma.... And Dont Forget Karma Leads To Karma
:)

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 593130)

Starting each new word with a capital letter actually deserves a whole host of negative karma. :D

Originally Posted by Tin Monkey (Post 593138)

True, but in JB's case it isn't possible. As soon as you disagree with him he becomes abusive.
I also don't want to see the forum filled with petty argument threads. Much better to tell the person how you're feeling privately.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 593160)

ya seem to have a real "Bee In Yer Bonnet" about karma to me jim, i get good n bad probably cos of my diplomacy, and guess what- i couldn't give a rats about bad, i just say things as i see em n if people like or dislike thats up to them, its no big deal, but if it really winds some people up like this i say KEEP IT.:D

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593459)

If you had been reading this thread it isn’t the Karma thing but the anonymous nasty, spiteful, insulting and disgusting comments that go with it.

Are you also in favour of that?

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593161)

Put forward as many propositions as you like, Roy owns the site, Roy decides the rules, you knew the rules when you came on and accepted them, so get over it or start your own site then you can make the rules.

Perhaps if you keep getting so called 'offensive' comments you should take a long slow look at yourself and ponder the thought, do I upset people?

It won't happen you can't force usernames because it's not in the rules, by the way have I mentioned who makes the rules?

That won't happen Roy is happy with the karma system the way it is so unless you are willing to tolerate life with karma then find a site that doesn't use karma.

Yes, it keeps Roy happy and keeping Roy happy means he will continue to spend time and money supporting accyweb.

I'm sure if you are really keen to get rid of karma you could dip your hand in your pocket and make him an offer he can't refuse. Put your money were your mouth is and buy him out, show him how it should be run.

I don't suppose that's going to happen anytime soon though is it?

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593468)

I am comforted to know that you can speak for Roy. I wonder if he is?

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593477)

You started this thread so you have an easy way to do 5 posts to get into the arcade quicker!

Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 593525)

Oh, so there IS something that gives you Joy and pleasure then.

Originally Posted by shakermaker (Post 593542)

Good God, get over it.

Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 593541)

I wouldnt be surprised Jambutty, if some of the negative karma is from people speaking out for others, so isnt necessarily from the people you credit with sending it, I feel that some of your comments can be abrasive, and many give the same treatment back, (tit for tat), I know there are members here who are held in high regard by others, mostly for thier ability to write clearly, with literacy and with a different view on things, you possess some of these qualities yourself, but for some reason choose not to use them to there best effect, therefore it comes over as abrasive and sometimes aggressive, I dont give negative karma, but I do hold some people on here with due respect, and if I did give out negative karma, I feel sure that you would occasionally be a recipient, this is not having a go, abusive, or nasty, it is an opinion, as we have agreed before, we are both entitled to that, but I along with many others present it in a civil manner.

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593692)

So you agree that there is a clique?

I don’t credit any one particular person for the abusive comments accompanying Karma. How could I they are never signed?

My abrasive comments are responses to abrasive comments received.

Or am I supposed to bow down to the bully boys?

Originally Posted by emamum23 (Post 593701)

omg......does it really matter???

I dont care if my red karma is signed or not as long as it a valid reason, unlike the bt one i got that didnt make sense... I like my green karma to be signed because i always pm the sender and thank them for it.

Either way , it doesnt affect my life so it is not important!

Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 593705)

:D:D I got some red stuff the other night for some thread or other from a few months ago, it said " yeah I agree, sod 'em" :D:D:confused::D

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 593709)

Not from me...I would have said: SOD OFF :tongueout

Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 593785)

I have just got some good karma from David 1?????i would normally send a p.m to say thanks,but the members list as gone and i dont seem to knowhim,,,,:thankya::thankya:

Originally Posted by jambutty (Post 593692)

So you agree that there is a clique?

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593830)

There isn't and there never has been an accyweb clique, only people like you that think it unfair that you can't join.

Originally Posted by Less (Post 593830)

Ah Yes, the good old accyweb clique, from what I've heard even those that are part of it don't know that they are.

So exclusive, it is even rumoured that the admin' applied for membership and has been blackballed three times.

There isn't and there never has been an accyweb clique, only people like you that think it unfair that you can't join.

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 593833)

Less, I think its does depend on what you class a clique. Obviously there are members of the forum here, that have been speaking for years, know each other personally and so on
I'm not saying you have a secret handshake or initiation tests, but are more close obviously) than other members.

Originally Posted by onlyme (Post 593849)

Hold up a minute Less

I didnt mean it was a negative thing. I think I clearly stated that. If you stick a group of people in one place, then there are obviously going to be people that have more in common than other people and so on. There are also going to be people that you really have nothing in common with and do not want to talk to.

We could also say we are like minded because we breathe air.

All I was trying to say was that, yes there are seperate groups on here, that can be defined by political views, age, gender etc.

The majority of members will still listen to someones views no matter what.

Dont really appreciate you ripping my post to threads when I tried my best to put my opinion across as 'sensitively' as possible