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i have not missed the point, if you dont want anyone from the E.U to come to the Uk as is their right, then it means that all Uk citizens living abroad would be forced to come back, whither or not they wanted to, but in the real world which the rest of us live, we are part of the E.U we signed up to all its charters and the Masstrict treaty signed by PM Margaret Thatcher allowed the exchange of labour and free movement of all citizens and the UK is not going to leave the E.U no political party would ever advocate that, and Garinda you might want the Uk to sink into economic oblivon by leaving the E.U and all non British leave the UK but it aint going to happen, how you can be so against people who come to the UK is beyond me, when other countries who take far more have no problems at all with this, it shows an inferiority and paranoid complex, your position thank God is not supportive by the decent majority people in the Uk. And what about all the people who have left the Uk five million alone in past six years and a majority of them working in nearly all the E.U countries, i attended a conference in Rome three weeks ago where easing up the labour market even more so was discussed and many delegates from the Uk were showing the number of UK citizens working and making new lives outside of the Uk, the views of we dont want anyone coming to the Uk at all and lets leave the E.U are even beneath the gutter tabloid press even they dont hold such racist and obnoxious views, putting our own countries problems on the backs of others is beneath contempt, remember this none of this is going to change people within the E.U can travel and work by right and law in any of the states hundreds of thosands of people from Uk have left to seek such work due to the failing Uk economy and lack of employment in deprived areas such as the North West and good luck to them if they in whatever country they moved to were racially abused or told to leave you can bet the uproar that would be caused, and finally remember as i always do you are talking here about human beings stop the demonising of such people this is how Hitler started his campaign of terror with the Jewish people and we know where that ended.

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Sounds very much that are a bit niffed at the Irish 'No' vote.
I take up one very good point from your sermon.
Five million UK citizens chose to live and work abroad.
There is a hell of a difference doing that than coming to a country in order to sponge off the taxpayer....in our case, the British tax payer.
I am against the vote for Europe....We are a democratic Country and If I don't agree with something that the lawmakers are doing, I can do something about it.
The Faceless wonders in Brussels, unellected I might add, havent a bloody clue what's happening in deprived areas like the North West as you choose to refer to it as.
I have seen how other countries have benefited from the hand out's from the EU...New infrastucture all round..........Does that happen in the UK...No it does not.

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Declan, I think if the British people were allowed a vote on whether they wanted to be in the EU or out of it........most of them would vote to be out of it.
When we first joined the Common Market(as it was called then) I recall it being put forward mainly as an aid to trade.....it was never envisaged that it would become the great monstrous European state, with people who we haven't elected making decisions for us....decisions that we can have no influence over. This to me is not democracy.
I do not want to be European. I am BRITISH, and wish to stay British.
And just to stay in keeping with the thread........I do not feel that having money spent on Migrants will make them integrate....only the migrants who want to integrate will do so, and they will do it whether they have money spent to make integration easier or not.

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Maybe your'e right. I forgot all businesses in the UK are legit. ;)

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You'll have to do abit better than that now won't you..my son!

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I wondered how long it would be before you two became 'Buddies :rolleyes:'

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Cor blimey Guv! you mean me?.. come buddies with who.. you been on the sangria ain't you?

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oh its not sensible @ rational if it don't fit in your narrow mind? you never did say why you asked that question, :rolleyes: you can think what you wish about my behaviour, thats your choice, perhaps its cos i didn't like your question? but thats not rational or sensible in your ivory tower is it?

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Margaret thank you for your points and the respectfull way you put them, but like it or not we are European citizens but that does not mean we have to lose or own identies, when there was last a vote on common Market staying in or out the majority voted to stay in, what many fail to see in the global ecomomy the Uk cannot go it alone and ignore 500 million market on its door step Europe for all its faults has brought peace and the end of slaughter, i agree with you as it develops the open free market is a good thing, and yes maybe people in many of the countries are fearfull of where its going, my job takes me all around Europe and i see at first hand its benefits i was Ireland two weeks ago when they voted no, and part of the reasons was they had concerns about laws ect, but hundreds of thosands of British people have moved and now live and work in Europe, and the same process of free movement is applied to all citizens i am sure Margaret that when you read about " money spent of migrants" you must understand that that yes they should and with help will integrate but hey did not ask personally for that money, many just want and do work and support themselves and their families, if government bodies in the Uk want to throw money at them, dont blame or demonise them there human beings like me and you, you put forward some good points and i thank you that you did not verbally abuse those E.U citizens who have come to our country, the tablod gutter press stir alot of this hatred and lies up, then mention nothing when these people are attacked in the street and i know you would like me be totally against that. Our own Governments of both parties have alot to answer for, but sadly in this now global economy we need Europe and Europe needs us, it can the Europeans model be changed and maybe the no votes in FRance Holland and now Ireland be a wake up call to them that there must be changes but wishing it would all go away as some do is going to do nothing. We can be proud UK citizens and part of Europe as well, but maybe a more fairer and better balanced affair than it is now, and to ensure our children live in a country that never has to give some many lives as it did in both wars that is worth working for thank you for engaging in the debate without insult and hatred for others we need reasoned voices like yours to be heard all best home again now in good old York

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Are you an indoctrinated politician...or mad?

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What is the problem here? if it is a problem.. so we have a vast influx of workers..I say workers from somewhere else.. who employ these workers?.. I reckon it's farmers,who seem to have gone silent these days.. no more moaning and whinging from the farmers..So we whinge about the Polish.. it was the Packistanies when I joined Accy Web.. but now it's the Polish .. I'll ave a go at owt..but who's next?

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declan, i sure aint demonising the E.U. immigrants, i am pee'd off with our ******* that bend over backwards to throw benefits at em,n honestly think most folk are the same. me late mam was one by the way.

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Who's next for what?

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Who's next to have a go at.?.. Roy.. me and you aint gonna get on are we .. my son

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Ah now I understand, your last sentence betrays you, you resent someone who is clearly capable of putting together a full sentence!! Poor thing I guess you must have had this problem for a long time.

As for why I asked the question, I thought that was self evident from the answer, clearly not to some.

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no polly the main problem i have is arrogant gits like you, who seem to think they are better n the average oik.:rolleyes:

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Declan, thankyou for trying to update my education.
I do not think that by coming out of, what was initially seen to be a trading partnership, that we would be 'going it alone'......we managed very well for centuries without such a huge conglomeration of countries. If we have products that other countries want, then don't tell me that they wouldn't buy from us, just because we aren't in their 'club'.

We have as a nation been penalised in many ways by the EU......CAP and fisheries policies spring immediately to mind.....we pay huge sums of money into the EU and I cannot see many benefits for the common man.
I know that the huge bureaucracy that is Brussels is almost an industry in itself......but we (the common people) have no control over the rules and constraints they place on our lives.......and inasmuch as it is not democratic, because the majority of these people a re not elected by us, we are being ruled by a dictatorship..... a huge one.

Tell me, is it really trues that we won the war? Yes, but the peace was given away piecemeal by our politicians who failed to listen to the electorate.

And as for a majority voting 'YES' to join the Common Market.....it maybe true , (but I am sceptical given the current way votes are being done over and over until the right answer comes up)but the people of Britain were sold the Common Market as a trading partnership......with words like 'going it alone would be financial and economic suicide'

So I reckon the whole thing was 'missold'......can we have our money back now Guv?

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And I do not demonise any economic migrant.......I think that I observed in my post that it wasn't necessary to help these migrants to integrate as they would do this of their own accord.
It is very well accepted that providing interpreters does not motivtes migrants to learn the language.......I know this from my own work in the NHS.......we spent thousands and thousands of pounds translating documents into Asian languages......this money was wasted because the majority of the women couldn't even read.......I know the eastern european migrants are different....but it is still folly to spend money in this way.

The money could be better spent in schools, and hospitals......and I know it isn't a vast sum, but these economic migrants will have children, and will want them to go to school so the money would still be of benefit to them and also the indigent population too.

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As a person who works for a company that trades in many of the E.U countries which i do have to visit, i have seen first hand the benefits of E.U membership and the working of the free market that allows workers from the the States to move where there is work.

Germany and France have takken far more of these workers than the UK and most of those people have took the trouble to learn the host country mother tounge without state money. Mancie in his post is right about us British picking on different groups in the past to place all the woes of our country on, in the past it was the Irish, then the Carribean people who came here or rather invited here and given British passports, then then in our owntime the Asians, now its the people from easten Europe, from my own observations many of these people do not ask for handouts and anything that would be given the country from which they came has to repay to the Uk any costs under the treaties signed years ago.

We have to remember the days of the empire are gone, and as Declan so well put it, we are in a global ecomomy Britain cannot survive by itself, and neither should it, most of our energy comes from Europe and Europe is our biggest market that provides the financial stability in the city and markets, most europeans i come in contact with want Britain to be there in the driving seat of Europe pushing forward change and reform, Margaret Thatcher ( no euro lover) knew that this was the way forward for our country
and to be honest i think in Europe they liked her plain speaking.

The world today is tied into large trading blocks and we cannot be outside them, as for the original thread whenever we here of money to be given to this or that group we all get up in arms about it thinking were losing out, Margaret was mentioning asian people given interperters and it not working but we are not on about asian people who dont come from any european country? i do know for a fact that Europe has given alot of money to help depressed areas of the UK and to help the victims of floods of late, and to provide alternative employment in the job sectors that were run down eg shipbuilding and the mines, now in all other E.U countries that money would go stright to those affected but the UK got an opt out in the Rome treaty that means it goes stright to Uk treasury and they decide who will or not get it, this is hardly fault of Europe.

We hear in the media about migrants getting this and that help, but in truth you will find there is very little truth in it, all it does is stroke up the fires of resentment in many people and even hatred and violence against those same people by groups of idiots who need a target rather than do something usefull with their lives, all that must be condemned as its not the British way, we would deplore it if our people were so demonised in other countries as a small section of the media do to them in this country.

Many people from my own firm work as i stated in other european countries, and people from their who have left to seek work are now returning as their infrastructure is being built up, we must give them credit for getting up moving and wanting to better their lives, and i can tell you they have nothing but respect for the Uk and want nothing but to work and support their families, rather than most of our people who prefer to live on the dole and do nothing

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I presume you can support that statement ?

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Strange how declan and accyderek work in similar fields and both spend a lot of time travelling around the EU :rolleyes: Legal field International and E.U work with voluntary community in care of staff in legal advice

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maybe its the same person:eek:

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Actually I mentioned the fact that literature which was translated into Asian languages didn't work...I also observed that it was different with the Eastern Europeans...the culture is different too.
I still stand by my original observation that learning the language of your adopted country is not helped by providing money for interpreters...it is helped by providing education systems for the economic migrants and their children.....they are also helped by having the appropriate community services which aren't directed just at them, but at the community they live in, as a whole.

Maybe you, in your work, have seen benefits that the EU have provided......I have not seen those benefits......and again my main concerns with this vast conglomeration of european states is that we have no voice to change the things we feel are not right.
It isn't a democracy, it is a bureaucracy which railroads its policies through regardless of thefact that a lot of people do not want these policies.
I recall the Lisbon treaty was thrown out by a number of member states...Ireland being the last one to give it the thumbs down...and how does the EU treat Ireland? It tells it to go back and come up with the right vote.
No I do not trust the EU...and I'm sure that there are many more out there who are in the same mind.

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Well said accyderek ....

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thought yer response was a very reasonable one, until yer last sentence, which is utter crap, so therefore why should anyone take any notice of the rest of it? its called shooting yerself in the foot.:rolleyes:

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We could support them from the viaduct ;) :D

anyone got some rope?

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"rather than most of our people who prefer to live on the dole and do nothing" well i withdraw that maybe to harsh. Margaret my own personal point is that Britain can be a cause of change in the E.U and maybe have good sense to offer and change things, we cant change anything by staying on the sidelines and moaning, like i did say from the trade visits we have made to Europe and meeting companies from other countries there is alot that can be done working within the original structures.

I am unsure after reading some of the posts including Declans, who said or what agency is going to pay this money to pay for interperters, but is it tue i ask? the E.U does not pay for any of these things but i am sure if National Governments want to pay for such things then if one onjects one can go to ones M.P

As you can see i was originally not very happy with the workings of the E.U but the more i have and my fellow workers have been involved with its structures the more i have seen its advantages, its not perfect but neither is our Government here is it?
but if we as a nation take our proper place as we will have to in time it can be turned to our benefit, there is alot of goodwill around for the Uk we should use it, but hitting out and wanting to go our own way as others have said is not an option

last friday it was nice to see eight schools and two colleges had sent their puplils to the European Parliament and they were full of questions, we might as well make Europe be the way we want it and i am sure we all can be happy with that

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I think quite a few people may be in need of English lessons, and I think I may be in need of an interpreter of Goobledegook.

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At leat you didn't try conning us by telling us they got answers as well.

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Did any of the pupils ask how the MEP's expenses were worked out? :rolleyes:

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'Norway and Switzerland are Europe's two richest countries. (Switzerland's GDP per head is almost half as great again as the UK's.) Both are much more "dependent" on trade, particularly with the EU, than the UK (as shown in the table below). Neither has anything like the UK's global economic weight and standing. Yet both prosper outside the EU.'

http://www.globalbritain.org/BNN/BN15.htm

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I do not see how we, the electorate can change anything within the EU as we have no voice...and as for MEP's, well, I may be cynical but I think they are on an overflowing gravy train. They are in it just for themselves....not to make things better for us.

I will never be happy to be a part of the EU......when you consider that there are currently 27 member states I can't see how we can make a difference.

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There you go again - Talking sense.I think earlier in this thread Steeljack gave a list of factories that had closed.He did however miss out all the weaving and spinning sheds not to mention the pits the railway and Prestige Eubank along with Rists and god knows how many other places of employment.Perhaps Accyderek could furnish us all with a list of alternative employers that could take up the slack:mad:

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Just came across this item on the BBC, still beleive it's rubbish ? :)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/n...re/7482199.stm

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Amazing that the NHS trust concerned washed it's hands of the issue. They should have terminated the contract. :mad:

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this sort of thing has always gone on, anyone who thinks differant is a total numpty.:rolleyes:

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What £8 odd wages?? It is disgusting!!

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i agree its a fiver too much.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Behave yourself:rolleyes:

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Makes you wonder who the fatcats are at skanska, and who gets the back hander for giving them the contracts.