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More than £400,000 is being spent to help migrants intergrate according to tonights Telegraph. Outreach workers will be employed to work with the Eastern European migrant population. At a time when money is being witheld from other projects is it right that this sort of money is being put in to projects like this? We also have our police and fire services learning the basics of the language in case of emergency!!!
When are they going to start thinking about the indigenous population Who could be benefitting from this money??

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I am a firm believer that throwing money into helping migrant communities integrate has the opposite effect. Providing translators does not encourage anyone to learn the language. My great grandparents came here from Poland in the 20's, they had no such help but integrated, learned the language and even took English names to help them secure employment.
The money could be better spent on providing essential services for the whole community, not just a small fraction of that community.

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I think the last two post are both spot on. It is a waste of money and shows that those who make these decisions are not in touch with what is going on.

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I am certain the money could be spent on far better things than this.
Everyday you just despair don't you at the way this country/county is going?

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or you could look at it another way , consider the numbers of young educated British professionals (skilled and middle class)who have left the country over the years , leaving behind the upper class and the dross , Maybe its a secret Govt. plot to improve the indigenous gene pool
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You really don't give a monkeys about who you insult do you?? There are plenty of educated British professionals left here and plenty of what you call "dross" prepared to work but we keep letting others in to take the jobs. Wonder if you would be quite so smug if your preffered country was letting everybody in, don't think you would but will wait for your reply. You really have no idea about the state of things over here apart from what you read in the press!!!!!

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Well I'm not upper class.. so I must be "dross".. steeljack you are so well informed considering you don't even live here!

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This mass immigration is causing big problems.. and I would put it down to the Government and employers.. but it looks to me like we have to take it on the chin.
I don't think we are spending over the top on immigrant workers I know a polish bloke in his 20's that works a 40hr week and brings home less than £200 after tax.
I also don't believe that this.. or any other Government would shell out money to anyone without a return in the economy.

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not insulting anyone , just passing a comment , how many posts have there been on Accy web from folks saying given the first chance they would be out of there , same with the ones who have said ' I wish I had gone 30 years ago when i was younger " I would make the suggestion that over 50% of Accy web users have some family member (sibling or cousin) who has left the UK in the last 50 years , most to Australia or New Zealand , and what did they all have in common ....most had some sort of higher education or a skilled trade.
Seems to me there are more folk who want to blame others for their misfortune than take a good look in the mirror , and its easy to blame the foriegner , seem to remember when the Ugandan Asians first came to Britain in the 70s , they arrived with the clothes on their back ....now look at them , for any "sub-group" they have produced more millionaires than any other ...why ... they got out of bed in the morning and worked .
Yep. I agree , I am an immigrant to a foriegn country , and to survive I had to adapt to the local ways ....probably easier for me because I spoke the language , but we also have thousands of illegal immigrents who move here and because they dont speak the language tend to end up in 'ghetto' communities with their own TV and radio stations and customs , and this does cause some friction , but you can be sure the majority of next generation won't give a damn about their parents origins

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But we are not on about "illegall" immigrants steeljack! these people have been deemed to be entitled to work in this country.. almost like the bods that have came her from the Commonwealth.

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yep , know that , just threw it in before mob had a go at the Kosovans and Somalis, and just ask yourselves who would clean your houses or take care of your gardens without the Filipinos and Vietnamese ;) ;)

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Here steeljack don't get personal ..had enough of "charlie" when I was in Nam!

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£400,000 that we haven't got to spend on the indigenous population yet we can find it for these displaced people who happen to displace themselves not just anywhere in Britian but in areas where folk are struggling to get any sort of activities. It is disgraceful IMHO

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Bernadette do you really think this Government would spend money on something that does not get a return or make a profit?.. that is the reason they don't spend it on folk who are struggling or people who can no longer make a return in productive terms.. it is a disgrace, and it will get worse.

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I fail to see how there can possibly be a return on what is happening in this country now. People are coming here and taking what few jobs there are plus claiming benefits to send "home". They are certainly not putting very much money back into the economy out of their wages plus they are claiming top up benefit. It is disgraceful that it can be twisted to make it sound as if nobody will take the jobs on offer but folk just believe what they read in the daily papers. They really have no idea what is happening locally!!!

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Your definitely out of touch here. In Britain we tend to clean our own houses and care for our own gardens.
Is it one of the reasons we dont reach the levels of American obesity.
Those of us that do have gardeners tend to have indigenous British gardeners.Gardening is almost a religion in certain areas a visit to any British garden centre on a Sunday would prove.

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Ok what is happening locally?.. how do they get jobs when locals cannot or do not want the jobs?.. it's get real time!.. the ones that work do pay tax and do pay more into the economy than anyone who is pensioned or to young to work.. it's basic.

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Have a man comes round to do the gardening and mow the lawns.The granddaughter is now big enough to use the hoover after she's done the washing up and dusted.Been a bit hard since the downstairs maid ran off with the butler but I'll manage.
:dancedog::dancedog:

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I get the jist.. even have to have a Polish chap come over to shoot the partridge and peashants these days.. terrible bore but what else can one do?

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No I just get the chauffeur to shine the lights from the Roller into the little blighters eyes, It's so now.:D:D and so easy.

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Some people have no sense of humour , not surprised that "polly put the kettle on' has chimed in knowing her antipathy for anything bearing the "made in USA" stamp.
Doh....just to let you know , most Americans also clean their own homes and cut their own grass , but most do the gardening/weeding /hoeing and sowing either midweek or on a Saturday , Sundays we save for church going , like all good Christians . Personally I do as little shopping on Sundays as I can , I was raised a good socialist and dont believe in exploiting the workers , which you obviously do .
As for being obese ......I still have a few pairs of 32" waist jeans in the wardrobe , in the hope that one day God willing they will fit again , they are alongside the 34" and 36 " .

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:rolleyes::)I knew you were joking,but can we stop coming out with big words - Antipathy - indigenous,i prefer Autochthonous but then again we all have

our own Idiosyncrocies:):)

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sorry ...didn't mean to offend will revert to the local argot I wuz brung up in .....wot , sed , sez in future , :D :D

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adly any word with more then four lets is lost now ound ear:D:D

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OK all silliness aside , back to the original theme of the thread ......I understand Roy the founder/owner of Accyweb is also an expatriat foriegn worker , from previous posts I gather he is a resident in the Russian Federation , I have no personal knowledge of the guy , I don't know if he is in Russia as a temporary worker or if he has long term family/business commitments there .........would be interesting to hear your views on the subject ,.....Roy over to you ......thanks

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I think the immigrants who work do contribute to the economy, but not in a way that many people recognise, in places like china where the average wage is low, they dont need cheap labour, here, where wages are much higher, some companies would go out of business without the cheap labour, some companies take shameless advantage of cheap labour too, companies pay big taxes, what they buy and sell is heavily taxed, so therefore keeps the economy moving, if they go out of business, it reflects on the economy, I dont agree with it, but given the situation in this country, dont see how it is going to change, in recent years, we, in the main have been changed into greedy people, and that is what has kept prices rising to obscene levels, but I still blame maggie for that.

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Sorry Derek , I disagree with that , the rot set in Accrington in between the Wilson and Heath Premerships , late 60s eary 70s , myself and other old wrinklies on the site can tell you about the days full employment in the town at Howard and Bulloughs , Laing Bridges, Emerson and Renwick , J T Rothwells ,Foster Yates and Thoms (Blackburn), Lucas (Burnley) English Electric (Clayton) all employing skilled labour , 15 yr old kids fought for apprenticeships at these places thinking they had a job for life ...soon to be dis-illusioned when the money men took over . I can remember the day when Rothwells closed and the then local MP Arthur Davidson (labour) came down and said how sorry he was , but it as just economics ...sucessive Govts , both Labour and Tory have never in my mind given a toss for the north west , just in my mind relying on the traditonal vote and then treating the folk like crap .......
am I bitter , yeah you bet your ass I'm bitter , but I have had to move on and create a new life for myself , but one thing , I will never in my life trust another politician , everyone wether it be local or national they are all thieving lieing swines
over to you, G Bush, G Pope, G Jones or any other elected representative who cares to answer ....... ;)

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Yes SJ, I can see your point, but have no recollection of the companies you mention, the point being, Maggie was the start of things becoming considerably worse for my era, and consecutive politicians have done little or nothing to stem the tide, and as you say, promise, promise, promise = lies, lies, lies, oh and theft!

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He is in prison for trying to sell Russian Nuclear missiles to terrorists. You have to make a living some how these days.

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Think the title of the thread says what is happening locally and probably nationally as well!! Money can be found to try and integrate people who have no intention of integrating whilst there is no money for the indegenous population. As for the jobs they are taking them away by working for less than minimum wages. If you believe what you have posted about them paying into the economy then it is time you took your blinkers off. They are working for less than minimum wages but getting that topped up with benefits and not spending over here but sending most of the money HOME!!! Meanwhile the emergency services have to learn the basics of another language in case of an emergency!!!

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dont see why a bloody penny should be spent on em, they sure don't across europe n rightfully so, n before any prat says racist, ****** all to do with racism its called COMMON SENSE.

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Does anyone have the link to this story, as I can't find it?

I want to know where this money's come from.:(

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But unfortunately it isn't a penny but £400,000 and not a lot we can do to avoid it!! Plus all the emergency services acting as interpeters, it is getting beyond a joke.

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Although the story was printed in Friday's Telegraph it isn't on their website yet, probably like the Observer does, to ensure people still buy their paper first, before putting all the latest news online.

Probably be Monday now.

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Money makes the world go round! Thats why I'm in Russia and why the polish come to england. Of course they are in it to make money and send to families, why else move countries? All my money is earnt in Russia, but I pay taxes back in the UK, and spend most of it in UK as well.. I guess this makes me even worse than the polish, at least they pay taxes in our country.
The government obviously think they will earn more from investing in the immigrants than investing in locals, who can blame them. Take a look around Accrington at all the people on benefits, that have had tons invested in them allready from the government - what good do they do for any of us? And they can allready speak the lingo (some of them anyway).
Instead of looking at what is spent on the immigrants (400,000, woohoo), look at what the real expenses of the area are!

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I am going to ignore the childish quote from a nursery rhyme though I feel it may say much about its author.

Personally I seen nothing 'funny' about stereotyoping and making fun of ethnic groupings, it merely reinforces their disadvantaged position in society.

As for your comment about Sunday shopping this illustrates a lack of understanding of British culture.

Sunday opening was first allowed in the midd 1990's (94 I think but can't be sure) and has prospered ever since.

Religion isn't really an issue in the country as only 10% of the UK population go to church regularly and 59% (eg the vast majority) do not go to church at all.

http://www.vexen.co.uk/UK/religion.h...urchAttendance

Clearly you have been away rather a long time we are no longer rulled by the tyranny of the church, though it is an option for those who wish to avail themselves of it.

Real socialism is about answering to yourself and society, no one and nothing else.

In my experience many of our workers, request to work Sunday, particularly those with family responsibilities like to work on Sundays as this is the only day of the week when they do not have to pay for expensive childcare.

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Why don't we have a Polish section here on the Accy Web? Let the old polaks do their posting in their own lingo, then I wll do a summary translation. Accuracy guaranteed - honest!

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I don't know Roy but I suspect the situation between him and the eastern europeans coming to England is that Roy had a job to go to in Russia he didn't just arrive there one day hoping to find employment. I bet he also didn't expect the Russians to look after him if he didn't find a job and he certainly wouldn't expect them to find him an interpretor if he was having trouble with the language.

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Same applies in Spain.....No work..no pay.
No contract of employment....go home.
Skint....tough.

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Because they don't waste their money on the internet. I thought we had decided they send it all home ;)

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just out of curiosity, I understand British expatriate residents are allowed to vote in Spanish elections , question .....are any of the election materials printed in English ? or any other language apart from Spanish
thks

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English.............Covers a multitude of sins.........If you take it on board. ;)

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Sorry to disagree with you on this , but I think your answer is a crock , and spoken like a true Tory taskmaster of old , granted some people have to work over a 7 day spread, police , fire etc.
The only reason 7 day trading is happpening is pure misguided greed on behalf of the giant retail chains who think they will make more profit , simple answer is they dont , the amount of money a person has available for spending is the same wether its over a six day or seven day trading week . In order for the local supermarket to make money by trading 7 days is to put the prices up to cover the cost of openeng up the business , paying staff , heat, light etc.
And no way can I agree with your statement that some parents actually like working on Sundays because it saves them money , I'm sure any responsible parent given the option would want to spend quality family time together as a unit .

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I like working sundays. By working weekends it gives me time off during the week to look after my children when needed.

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I think that's one of the main complaints about the British approach to immigrants these days, the fact that we don't expect them to learn English. We are expected to learn their languages or provide interpreters.

So how come there are Poles working in shops and banks? Those jobs must have been vacant.

Although I agree with the basic statement there is another point worth considering. Supposing you are employed and work a six day week. When are you going to do your shopping? You could do it in the evenings but you may be tired and just longing to get home and put your feet up. Then one shop opens on a Sunday and you think "Brilliant! I'll do my shopping there on my day off." Multiply that by the number of people who feel the same and you get one shop with increased custom because they are available when people want them. Are the other shops going to sit back and ignore that fact? Of course not. If they lost all their customers they could go out of business, so they too open on Sunday.

Now I'm not saying I agree with it, but it's basic economic sense from the retailers point of view.

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Actually I would argue that your answer is far more True Blue than mine. If I remember correctly Hyndburns own MP (Labour) was a strong advocate of Sunday trading. You probably missed all that being in a foreign land.

Responsible parenting is, in the real world, all about compromise and children need to be fed and clothed as well as quality time.

Sunday jobs are also very popular with teenagers for whom they provide the first inroads into work.

Of course we must not forget that nearly 20% of the local population are Muslim and do not h ave any religious qualms at all about working Sunday. Are you suggesting that the laws of our country should be biased against the majority of the populations wishes ?

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"It’s about time that it was realised that the new influx of migrants, Eastern European or other wise, are only here to bleed the country dry. " dont talk such utter racist rubbish! those who come here from the former eastern bloc countries that have now joined the E.U have every right just as people from the Uk have to move and work within the borders of Europe nearly all these people are here to work not live off the state, and the vast majority of them are working and doing jobs that the indeginious people wont do, in the same respect over five million British people have left the UK in past six years to live and make new lives for themselves in E.U countries the people of those countries dont say that they are bleeding their country dry, i am disgusted by your little englander comments, during the last war many thosands of Polish men and other states surround them came to the Uk to help in the war effort by giving their lives, many stayed and brought their families up in the Uk, you forget very easily that within the E.U their are open borders to provide for the free movement of E.U citizens and it works both ways, i am sure as work dries up many will return home, just if same thing happened in any of the E.U countries those British people would move, i am here only talking about the E.U its upto each national Government to control non E.U people who wish to enter the Uk. Other countries who have had more people from the new E.U acession states move to them for work have had no problem in integrating them into their nation lives, i have not heard of any complaints from France, Spain or the other 26 E.U states complaing about having to learn English by their frontline services to accomodate the hundreds of thosands UK citizens who have moved to their countries, we have to learn to get rid of this racist attitudes in our midst that blames someone else usually the stranger in our midst for our troubles and learn to live and let live, the UK frontline services depend to a great extent on labour from people of other states, and if we like it or not the Uk is a multicultural nation and theres nothing going back on that so lets live with it, and work with it, not sit back and come out with racist propaganda that you digest from gutter tabloid press

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declan its about time you realised, the frontline services you refer to DO NOT have to learn english to accomodate us, i know i have lived in spain, plus members on here who still do can verify that. n far as i'm concerned,its those countries who have got it right. WE should make the effort if we choose to live abroad,its ****** all to do with racism, as people like you try to infer, its simple common sense, and the biggest reason we are in a mess here,is people with your mentality. wise up, n quote real facts, not yer imagination.:cool:

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Cashman you are wrong its alot to do with racism you cant seem to get it into your head that these people from the E.U countries have a right as do people from the Uk to move within the internal market many people from the UK choose to do the same without being told (there bleeding the country dry) that is racist rubbish many eastern european people arent here for UK handouts they came here to seek a work just as many Uk people left the Uk for the same reason, i know more about these facts than you so dont tell me to wise up, take a long hard look at your attitudes towards these people, and if you ever did live in Spain as you say you will find that no body said to you you were bleeding their country dry, you should be uttley ashamed of your attitude thank God the majority of normal Uk citizens arent so inward looking and narrowminded as i said i was speaking for E.U citizens only not those from outside the E.U that is the sort of thing the UK government can control, and most frontline services staff in other E.U countries have staff that speak most langauges so get used to it and have more respect for people from whereever they come from, wasnt it attitudes against such people that lead Hitler to his orgy of murder and the gas chambers shame on you

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I'm part Polish - Ancestors came here by donkey 10.000 years ago.

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You are missing the point. We don't want to be in the EU if it means we have to allow people from other Countries to come here and work when we don't want or need them.

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there is no " if i ever lived in spain" as many who know me can verify, you arrogant get, n i have no objection personally to members of the EU coming here, i couldn't careless, what i do object to is money being spent to accomodate em.

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Think he has missed the point altogether. On his basis if I move to Spain or France ( I can't speak either ) they will provide all official documents in English and where they are not available will provide me at their taxpayers cost, a translator ?

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I'd be more than happy if we left the E.E.C., and all economic migration was stopped, and that includes the Republic of Ireland.

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Yes and he would awaken from his dream....and I do live in Spain. :)

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don't think he has, in my experience,know alls have no desire to "Get" the point.:rolleyes:

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He's also a little naive if he thinks every country in the world welcomes migrants with open arms.

There are parts of France and Spain where there is a backlash against all the Brits who have moved there. Just as in eastern Europe there is anger because property has been priced out of the local's reach, because of the influx of western European investors, and second home owners.

I was actually reading yesterday about the terrible abuse suffered by German Jews, many whom were concentration camp survivors, when they went to the newly created state of Israel in the late 40's. The more orthodox settlers didn't think them Jewish enough, or capable of hard work.

So it just isn't Brits who are against mass emigration.

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But would you want to be forcibly repatriated?

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I know I failed maths 'O' level but isn't 20% a minority?

Never mind France and Spain. There was a road sign in Scotland on the A82, somewhere near Bridge of Orchy if I recall correctly. Sprayed upon it was the slogan 'White settlers go home'.

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This what I like to hear from Accy Webber's.. the legendary good old Lancashire welcome to our fellow Europeans !!
Reminds me of Huddersfield.. a lady was telling me she had lived there for 40 years yet people still called her an "incomer".. was "The League of Gentlemen " really based on Ossie???

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here comes another. just like the other.:D whos on about that?

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I lived in Scotland for three years, and outside of the cosmopolitan cities, racism against non-Scots is rife.

Better to pretend to be deaf and dumb, than speak with an English accent.;)

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If you look at my previous postings you will see figures quoted of 59% who have no religous affiliation. Add the 20 % Muslim p0prulation and it makes 79% who consider themselves not Christians on non practicing Christians. This is a very large majority to have Sunday closing forced upon them

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i discovered that during my brief soujourn in paisley n leaving because of it.:D;) n that was 40 yrs ago.

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And you have a problem with someone asking a question?

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when its a stupid question i aint a problem with it, i just respond likewise, have you a problem with that?

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No I would not, the difference being....I am here by choice, I don't expect or collect benefits, I observe the laws of the country.
I have lived in Spain for a total of 9 years and never once have I been confronted or abused by any Spanish people.
Spain are experiencing the same influx of EU Nationals who have no work.
Vagrancy laws in Spain are such that if you can't support yourself...go home....That applies to all Nationalities.

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My mate lives in Spain and he can't support himself!.. well he can if he leans against a wall :)

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Ye.......I've seen him ;)

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I'm sorry, I did not know you were such a superior being to decide what is 'stupid' and what isn't.
However, in my experience I have usually found that those who resort to using the word 'stupid' are the ones that are used to having it thrown at themselves.
It is a bit like abused kids often go on to become abusers.

I see the person I asked the question of has seen it as worth answering and with a very sensible reply!

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i aint superior like you appear to be, i used the word stupid cos no reasonable person would support such a thing.so therefore it was stupid to ask the question, yer experience obviously aint up to the level you see it polly, can never remember anyone calling me stupid. i was not calling you stupid, it was the question, n i stand by it.

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TBH it appears to me that if you had a valid argument you would not need to reduce yourself to the level of calling someone elses remarks 'stupid'. In my opinion that is an aggressive stance to take and the type of attitude that has upset people else where on this site.

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I don't know where you obtain your statistics from but have read at this.

Research
GFK NOP RESEARCH 2008

A poll of 1000 adults taken between 28th-30th March 2008 revelaed that 88% of people did not notice, did not realise, or were not bothered at all by big shops being closed all day on Easter Sunday.

2007: We asked respondents whether they thought at least one day of the week – Sunday – should be different from the rest of the week, or not, and two thirds of respondents said yes. More women than men thought so, (70% v 61%).

More here http://www.keepsundayspecial.org.uk/ if you're interested.

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That seems quiet reasonable to me. I would expect to do the same if I moved abroad.
It sounds like the Spansih are a bit more open minded than some of those in the country.
I can see the sense of 'if you cant keep yourself, get out'. If only it was applied accross the board in this country the tax payers burden would suddenly decrease, and I do mean with the indigenous population as well.

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According to the last census, which we are all obliged to fill in, 71.6% of people identified themselves as Christian.

Although it doesn't say how many are regular church goers.

Mind you, once Jesus stopped attending the Jewish Synagogue, he himself didn't attend church much either.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=293

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Unless you've arrived on a raft from Africa.;)

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you wouldn't know aggressive if it smacked ya in the kisser,:rofl38: i just say as i see, the word obviously must not be in the dictionary or you wouldn't be throwing yer toys out of the pram.:rolleyes: its not offensive its just a word that to me perfectly describes the question, a question that is likely to upset as many as the word stupid. i think you used it just to be mischevious n then get on yer high horse at someone who bit.:rolleyes:

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Has Jambutty got a sister?

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No they are not, they are working in jobs that the indigenous population used to work in for minimum wages. They are working for less than minimum wages but rest assured it gets topped up with tax credits. It really annoys me that the workers of this country fought long and hard to get wages and working conditions away from the workhouse mentality only for somebody else to come in take the jobs and knock it back to square one. If you have ever worked long hard hours for a crap wage you would also be angry that this is being allowed to happen!!!

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'' i just say as i see' clearly without any thought to anyone else.
It is easy to mock others without any proof. Clearly you have demonstrated you find that type of behaviour easier than rational and sensible debate.

Other people on the thread have managed to behave in an intelligent and polite manner whilst disagreeing, why can't you?

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Would you also expect the Spanish government to pay for your Spanish lessons ?

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Even if you do expect, they don't.

My friends who recently relocated there, pay for their own Spanish lessons, and also pay to have any offical forms they need to have translated.

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where do you get your facts from ?.. you can't get tax credits unless you supply details of your income (P60 etc) .. the only way to be paid less than the minimum wage would to be un-registred for tax.. so how could you be "topped up" with tax credits?

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The figures you quote are correct 71.6% do consider themselves Christian but only 10% attend Church weekly.

It is surely this minority who would want everything closed on the Sabbath?

Infact I am not sure about that, I maybe making an assumption, as I know quiet a few practising Catholics who go to Mass on Saturdays so they can shop on Sundays?

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This sounds a bit like Daily Mail hype.

It is illegal to pay anyone below Nat Minimum Wage. As an employer I would not risk it at any cost. Although I can see that some industries (the rather less attractive one) may be desperate enough to try it and pay cash in hand at a rate below the set hourly rate.

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I don't trust percentages and statistics... in reality 78% of statistics are incorrect!

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Spanish lessons are offered and part subsidised by the Government in Spain to all EU foreign nationals....A fee to make up the balance is paid by the student.

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Easy, the tax credits office ask 2 very important questions, do you work over 30 hours and how much is your annual salary. The answer to part 1 will be yes and the annual salary is in the region of 10.5k. Therefore the tax office assume you are earning minimum wage. The fact that you are working 50 or 60 hours for that 10.5k is irrelevant to the tax credit claim, and if you value your job as an immigrant then you will take all the 'advice' an employer offers when it comes to claiming tax credits.

Another method used is to pay minimum wage then charge extortionate board & lodgings deducted directly from wages. The employers can't do this to the native population because we know better. Therefore the preferred person for the job is somebody who moved over here.

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Agreed and of course any figures can be manipulated but they are the best we have to go on to make a rational analysis of a situation. Migrant labour is too open to irrational assumption, as we have seen

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Excellent Neil, Declan you bloody idiot what have you been reading to come up with such ideas, wake up man.:mad:

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Mancs are just as welcome in my house as eastern europeans just to prove I'm no racist.;)

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Sound man!.. same with me when scousers come round... (but I always hide my money underneath loads of bars of soap.. it's like garlic to a vampire! )

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Mancie still waiting for your reply to lancsdave, he's got you this time, face facts employers are using immigrants because they will take less than the minimum wage.

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What employers are these?.. if you have a business you are not going to be in business very long if you employ bods and pay below the minimum wage.. you would have to pay by cash and then cook the books.
This may happen in small shops who employ one or maybe two people.. but do you really think any recognised business would go to the trouble and risk being struck off?... it's rubbish man!