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Parents of children attending Alsager High School near Crew reacted in fury when two white boys were given detention for refusing to kneel and pray to Allah. 12 year old girls were also told of for not wearing muslim headwear as part of a religious education lesson. What is happening to this country. I accept that to learn about other religions in todays Britain is part of childrens education, but to me this is taking it a bit far. I just wonder what would have happened if muslim children had been made to pray the a Christian God, there would certainly have been quesions in the House, with dogooding Guardianist demanding a public apology to the offended kids, and the sacking of the teacher. At the moment the school arn't saying anything, but are making inquires into the insident. Whats betting its the last we hear about it:(

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There would be an absolute uproar if it was the other way around and Muslim kids were made to say the lords prayer.
You are right the teacher would have been suspended and probably sacked and it would be debated endlessly.
This will get a little publicity and be forgotten most likely but to me it is just outrageous and yet another death knell for our culture.

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Would hope that the school would make public the findings but the better question is DARE they make it public if proved to be true!!!!

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to me thats the problem jaysay- too many people accept to learn about other religions is part of childrens education. well i don't, as i said before do other religions learn their kids about ours? do they hell as like n why should they.?:(

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I agree wholeheartedly.
When i was at school i had to learn about all the different religions in R.E and for what purpose?
Heck i didn't even want to learn about christianity nevermind any other religion.

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To me Allah and God are imaginary friends for grown ups.Whatever you call them is irrelevant.However I do agree that it is wrong to be made to kneel and pray to someone else's god whatever it's name is.

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Well I agree with you cashy, but I'm resigned to the fact that our system is run by dogooders and we have to conform:mad: or whoe betide, its a one sided arguemnt in this country now, we have to conform to what other races want, but they please themselves and stick two finger up to the indigenous population, we're the racists they're just misunderstood

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Where has this story originated?

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Please excuse my ignorance but aren't God, Allah & Jehovah supposed to be the same omnipresent being?

As usual different factions of this too well spread fairy tale don't get along, the sooner they do, the sooner the rest of us might just get a little bit of peace that has been promised for far too long.

God bless the atheists for they shall be meek enough to inherit the Earth!

:dflam:

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Can't agree more Less, except for the last bit in red:rolleyes:

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It was in the Star this morning TM, I don't usually put to much store in articles in the Star, but it did carry interviews with parents as well and in fact named the school too

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ray-Allah.html

Schoolboys punished with detention for refusing to kneel in class and pray to Allah

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I am surprised at anybody who may be surprised at any aspect of this story, we have been bending over backwards to get them and thier customs into the country, at this rate, our grandchildrens children will all be muslims, mmmm, is that not the idea?

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The most preposterous notion that Homo Sapiens have ever dreamed up, is that there is a lord of creation, the supposed shaper and ruler of the universe, needs the saccharine adoration of his creatures, can be swayed by their prayers and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery.

Yet this absurd fantasy, without a shred af evidence to support it, pays the expenses of one of the oldest and least produtive industries in all of mans history.

Retlaw
:hidewall:

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It does look like this lesson was meant to be a little bit of play acting, however, for them to be given detention for not doing it does appear to be a little extreme, unless the pupils had been rude to the teacher or summat.

Agree with all other points in above posts though.

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Just imagine if all ballpoint pens could be taught that there is a biro heaven?

Can you imagine the disappointment after going through it's useful life of writing, being used to prise wax out of ears, abused as an adult teething ring and having it's top chewed away,then facing the final humiliation of being buried with all the loose change in the back of a sofa.

After all that it turns up at the pearly gates and is told,



Well that seems to me to be the spouting of most major religions!

:hidewall:

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No need to feel sad, even the 100 for a pound ballpoint pens will receive redemption if the Lord of all that runs on paper is a loving and retractable God, for he will understand and forgive them their ways even if to prove their disbelief they let all their ink run over a brilliant white shirt pocket.

Otherwise he isn't very loving or forgiving is he?
:rolleyes:

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Double, double toile and trouble ;
Fire burn and Cauldron bubble.


If the children were asked to act out a scene from Macbeth, would the parents be worried their offspring were being asked to partake in pagan rituals?:rolleyes:

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[quote=WillowTheWhisp;602482]is against our religion to partake of alcohol and my children would be mortified if they were ever expected to participate in a communion service which involved drinking wine.quote]


I must say the wine drinking bit is the only part of christianity that appeals to me..............;)

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[QUOTE=pipinfort;602545]Is it real wine Pipinfort or just ribena.. always wondered ?

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[quote=katex;602571]Don`t you dare shatter my childhood memories....RIBENA how dare you!!!:eek:

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Ahhh! The Star and (surprise, surprise) The Daily Mail. I'd never have guessed.

How many threads have we had like this that are based on Daily Mail articles? I've pointed loads out over the last couple of months, but nobody takes any notice. :D

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Ahhhh! Tin Monkey, you have pointed lot's of things out but this time I've noticed, though like the rest I probably won't pay any attention!

:D

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Gotta agree with this .... or most of it .... as long as it doesn't rule out individuals having personal spiritual beliefs which they can use to govern how they live ... but it's personal, not institutionalized .... I particularly agree with the last part. There is probably more evidence to support a belief in alien visitations; and there is more likelihood of their being other life in the universe, than there is of some omnipotent being, whatever you wish to call him. Ironically, you run little risk of being ridiculed if you claim you have had a vision of god; but will be dubbed a fool if you claim you have seen visitors from anothe planet (tho' why any alien life form would want to visit this screwed up place, I don't know)

In general, this seems so outrageous that it seems like someone is having us on ... seems like the sort of story that should come out on April 1. What the hell is happening over there .... I think "reasonable accomodation" in your country has gone way too far. But that's just an observation from an alien;)

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thats were we differ mate, i stick two fingers up at them.:D;)

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I'd expect no 'Less'. :D

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Easy enough to sort all this malarky out...do like the French and make all schools secular. No "faith schools", no RI lessons, no religious assemblies etc. If parents want their kids to to grow up in a certain religion (or learn about other faiths), then teach them at home.

Incidentally, I love it in situations like that this when people who don't go to church from one year to the next start protesting that "this is a Christian country". Oh, yeah, sure. :rolleyes:

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He will give them the sort of refill they can cope with - but it might not be the sort that can write upside down and glow in the dark.

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I remember when i was at moorhead.. as part of the R.E lesson we was doing the "ritual" of praying to allah...

Instead of just reading about it in a book we actully did it.. Great as i can still remember it, all the steps and what not.

But they was no force to do it and i found it good but diffrent.. but to get a detetion for not doing it is what gets to me.. that teacher needs sacking and the whole R.E department needs looking into!

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just out of interest,who's the local M.P. down that way?:rolleyes:

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My kids went to Moorhead as did yours Willow and if I am not wrong so did Alec. I had no objection to them learning about all religions as I thought it might help them better understand peoples ways. Making or asking them to act things out is just going a little bit to far for my liking.

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Let us know what Mimi says it would be interesting to hear, I would think she didn't see it as a big deal because it wasn't forced upon her.

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We were in the same year but not same classes... Yea we did it for a lesson and it was good... the Asian students in the class demonstrated to us then we have a go...

I don’t think it is a bad thing to be asked even if you are Jewish/Christian or whatever... I’m a Christian and did not find it offensive or out as I know that I’m not preying to Allah but educating myself and I would imagine my 'god' would also see it as this.
IMO they is nothing like being shown how to do it then just reading about it... thats what i liked about it.

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the islamaphobia and the racism of accyweb never fails to amaze me

everyone is quick to jump up on the theory what if it was the other way around

ARE YOU PEOPLE DUMB OR JUST PLAIN STUPID?!

what about the fact for the first 10 yrs of my school life i was sayin the lords prayer every morning?!

what about the fact that i'd been in church kneeling down head bowed sayin a prayer for easter???

when i was a kid i'd actually got the whole blessing by holy water cross on my forehead and the piece of something circle

yes this incident was outta of order IF it was as the mail reported it - and we all know about their reporting!

so how about half of u lot get ur heads outta ur asses and see what really happens instead of theorizing it on the net eh?

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AND *i thought i'd finished but i just got worked up again*

its not as if this was an actual prayer to allah. it certainly wasnt prayer time nor were they asked to wash themselves etc as in preparation for namaz.

from the sounds of it - they're doin a segment on educating about islam and the teachers decided to do a lil practical - two kids refused so she's reported them. the fact that it was an islamic based practical it makes headlines. would it have been this bad if they were made to carry out a mormon/jewish/hindu/sikh practice? no chance in hell.

i could carry on but i know its just going to be fruitless - the next time an ignorant incident happens and its all back to normal.

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Trust me i'm not racist i resented doing any form of R.E.
Religion in general is something i can't relate to in any way.
And yes if it was the other way around and a muslim was forced to say the lords prayer there would have been an uproar and you know it.

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there are schools that still they say the lords prayer - where the uproar?

this is the classic case of the christmas lights and how they should say happy festive season just so that the muslims aint offended when not once has anyone ever complained.

of course if a muslim is FORCED to say the lords prayer then there would be - this was a school lesson practical. are they forced to do science experiments now too? or any other practical sessions?

this was a practical session and the kids refused to do as the rest of the class were doing. if they did that in a science class the result would still be the same.

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Why do you have to go to church to be a christian?

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I would've thought that if you were Christian enough to start protesting that "this is a Christian country" whenever the Daily Mail run one of their scare stories, you'd be Christian enough to go to church at least once in a while (apart from wedding, christenings and funerals!).

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Can't work out if your being sarcastic cashy:D or you really want to know. If I remember rightly its a bloke called Timpson:D

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When I went to the Holy Family R.C. school we had a couple of none catholics in our class, they were allowed to miss R.E. if they wanted and if there was ever a mass said at school they were allowed to stay out

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when i was at the Tech it was similar, was me n about 6 R.C.s in the school, we did not go into assembly until after the prayers, we had prayers with a catholic teacher in a classroom, then only joined assembly fer the notices/announcements, didn't see owt wrong with that, still don't.

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i just assumed it was obviously a conservative.:rolleyes:

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Ah! But Macbeth is fiction although it could be argued by none believers that so is religion. However believers believe that their religion is fact and it is what they believe what counts for them.

So your attempt at pseudo cleverness falls flat on its face.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

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Islam does not recognise other religions so there is absolutely no chance of a Muslim school teaching Muslim children about other religions.

In my view religious instructions should be extra curricular and done out of normal school hours. If the parents want their kids to follow a particular religion then let their church/mosque/synagogue/temple do the teaching. As Wynonie Harris has already pointed out schools in the UK should be secular. Even schools run by a religious order. Religion should be taught by the church/mosque/synagogue/temple for those who wish to take part.

A point of order here Wynonie Harris. We refer to this country as a Christian country because it is and has been for centuries and all residents of this country should recognise it as such.

Islam, as decreed in the Koran, is pushing its way into this country step by slow cancerous step and we are bending over backwards to aid its mission. It has gone so far as to have a judge declare that Sharia Law could be acceptable in this country for specific issues – as reported in the Express on Friday.

Learning about all the major religions of the world is fine as far as it goes, it is just another subject but making pupils enact an act of worship in any of them is totally wrong. The teacher at the centre of this controversy should be sacked after apologising profusely to the children and their parents.

Yeh! I know! I can dream!

At secondary school, which was not a Catholic school and by virtue of my parents’ wishes I was a Catholic, would have assembly prayers in the morning and none Church of England pupils would use a classroom for their prayers. RI (being religious instruction rather than religious education) was the same. We Catholics would use a different classroom where we were obliged to read the Catholic bible because there was no one to teach us Catholicism.

It was exactly the same in the navy. The various religious groups were separated for prayer time.

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jambutty - once again ur ignorace in ur face

my niece goes to an islamic school and they do teach them about other religions - they had a huge thing about judism

and islam does recognise other religions - where u read this tripe i dont know - but its thick ass ppl like u that deserved to be shariah'd till their own paranoia eats them.

tell me will those sepcific issues ever ever ever affect a non-muslim? the decisions according to shariah are made but at the end of the day the uk law over rules it all - read about numpty ok?

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You don't IMO.
If you live your life in as good a way as possible,be polite and thoughtful,loving and caring towards your fellow man etc.. then surely these are all Christian acts?
Also you don't have to go to church to pray or practise your religion.

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*L* there is a god! i knew communion would pay off some day!

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OK, Christianity may be the official state religion of the UK, but is it really a Christian country when there are so few adherents? I don't have the official figures to hand, but I'm sure I read somewhere that less than 10% of the population are regular church goers. Not what I call a Christian country.

However, one thing that does concern me - why do so many Accywebbers set such great store by the journalistic standards of the Daily Mail? Time after time, someone comes on here with some fresh "outrage" perpetrated against God-fearing white Britishers which inevitably stirs up a hornet's nest of righteous indignation. But how accurate are these stories? Well, there was the tale of the Indian couple who dumped their newly born twin girls...which turned out to be a load of old cobblers. As Cashy said at the time, "Ah, The Daily Mail, why does this not surprise me?" Don't believe everything you read in the Mail!

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Christians don't have a monoply on "polite and thoughtful,loving and caring towards your fellow man"

People with NO religion are very capable of doing the same, and don't expect heaven as a reward.

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I wasn't trying to say that Margeret.
I am not religious whatsoever but believe myself to be christian in my approach to other people.
Sorry if my point didn't come across in the right way.
My other point about praying and practising religion holds up though.

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Why did your parents send you to a church school and not a county school of no particular religion? :confused:

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No-one's saying that you do but you usually find that some people come up with all sorts of reasons for not going to church which is fine, you can have a christian life and not go to church.....but they still expect the church to be there for their weddings, christenings, funerals, getting the child into St Christopher's etc.

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what has happened to this country? it does not seem to be British anymore. And what happened to "When in Rome do as the Romans do"

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Which is getting even harder since they changed the admission criteria. This only those with 4 attendances in Church per month got in ( 1st time ever that has happened). Last year some with 3 got it. Not sure if any 2's did, I can't remember. They were massively over subscribed, well over double if I remember correctly.

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Hmmmm. I wonder how long some of those people had been going to church before they got the child in at St Christopher's and how long they will keep going after they got confirmation that the child had got a place. :(

Getting into St Christopher's or any church school is only hard if you begrudge going to church in which case you would be a hypocrite for wanting your child to go to a church school, wouldn't you? :confused:

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Some people do yes and i think that is wrong.
I chose to get married at accy registry office because i am an atheist and don't go to church so it would be hypocritical of me to want to get married in a church.

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And what has happened to the 'Christian' attitude of live and let live?
:rolleyes:

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In that case will you be so kind as to tell the missionary's from your Church to stop knocking on peoples doors!

I have no objection to you praying but don't force your beliefs onto my doorstep!

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Amen to that Less:rolleyes:

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Agreed!

I look forward to reading WillowTheWhisp’s response.

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A lot of that is due to the fact that the 'Jehovah's Witnesses' are not a conversionist sect. When they knock on people's doors they are not trying to convert you, but to spread the 'good word' far and wide. That is the way to their salvation.

I too have had a few interesting discussions with members of that sect/denomination, but they've always ended amicably. If I don't have time to talk I tell them politely and they always leave showing no animosity.

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I agree with you the willow... like i have said before... i am interested in other peoples religions and beliefs and will chat about it with anyone that comes to my door...

Maybe you should listen to what they have to say before saying that their religion is shoved down you throat... i have never felt pressured into agreeing with anyone elses religion, i have my own and i am happy with it.....But finding out about other peoples religions and beliefs brings a better understanding of the people,and imo lessers the chances of stereotyping and prejudice of that particular group............

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omg tin monkey.i get worried when you say something i agree with :D:D

Just to add that if i was told to pray to Allah i would have refused... I went to Catholic school and even we were allowed to refuse to pray if we wanted.........

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A friend of mine did a Phd thesis on the Watchtower, Bible and Tract Society (Jehovah's Witnesses) and if you're suffering from insomnia, you could try reading his book to help you sleep ;) (Only kidding mate, if you read this).

There's a system for classifying religious sects and cults devised by a bloke called Bryan Wilson and he places the Witnesses in a category called either adventist or revolutionary sects. This is because the Witnesses believe in a better world coming, after this one has crumbled (millenarian movements believe in this).

All very boring, but there you have it. :)

Not half as worried as I get when you agree with me. :D

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So to cut through the bull, you support a Church in which you have no authority to influence their views? (normal religion so far).

If I tell them,(at first politely) not to call again, they will give me a cock and bull story of having to call again in case I have moved and someone else is here.

I do believe you all call with sincere hopes but the people you prey upon, (no spelling mistake), are the aged and the vulnerable, desperate for help and assistance NOT spiritual guidance.

If you truly believe in live and let live and that your God is a supreme being, you will realise that he has better plans for me, he might convert me in a blinding flash, he may be using me as an instrument of the Devil! But whatever this guy is doing have patience , he is your God he knows what he is up to and doesn't want me bothered by you or yours at the moment.

Oh, and while we are at it leave other folk to at least get a chance to explain their views, (even Muslims), without fearing for your daughters soul's.
:alright:

So far as Jehovah's Witnesses, they get the same short shrift from me as your lot, but I think it shows a very poor argument on your behalf to try and shift the focus elsewhere, why not try to blame the Jews for something as well? A smoke screen isn't something you can hide behind for ever.

You have made it obvious in all your posts that like me you are not willing to change your views but at least I won't interfere with you or anyone else if left alone, that, is live and let live.

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Have you missed what I have actually said on this subject? I have absolutely no objections whatsoever to my children learning about other religions. It's part of the school curriculum and I embrace that wholeheartedly. How can people ever hope to understand each other if they don't know the first thing about what the other person believes? It's a brilliant way for them to learn.

'Leaning about' is a million miles away from 'willingly participating in', and 'willingly participating in' is another million miles away from 'being forced to participate in'. The former two I have no problem with at all. It's the latter which I disapprove of. My eldest daughter has accompanied friends to other churches which they attend. Both have in the past (when they were young enough) gone along to the summer activities at Peel Street Baptist Church. They have both gone to other church youth clubs. I have been to the Jehovah's Witnesses Kingdom Hall, RC, CofE, Baptist, Methodist and pentecostal churches. I have been to a Jewish synagogue and a Muslim mosque (several if you count the ones we have visited on holiday). I have never tried to force my religion on anyone else and would never do so. I am willing to discuss it with others if they are interested and to correct any misconceptions which they may have.

I'm a member of 'a Church in which I have no authority to influence their views' because I believe the doctrine to be true. I would hope that it influences me rather than vice versa. I would still believe the doctrine to be true even if some of the members went doolally flip because that would be them as individuals and not the doctrine. When my first husband was alive and he was Ward Mission Leader I would have passed your address on to him with a request that the missionaries do not call on you. Now if you'd like to PM me your address I will pass it on to our current WML with the same request if you wish. I once worked with a woman who had met a couple of our missionaries on the train and had invited them to visit her at home and teach her but when she got home and told her husband he said he didn't want them. She asked me if I could contact them and let them know - so I did, and they didn't go round there. Now that doesn't mean that at some time in the future a new bunch of missionaries calling door to door might not knock on theirs but she is perfectly able to tell them 'no thank you' just as she could have done if she'd never laid eyes on Mormom missionaries before.

Of course I cannot alter the world wide missionary program of the church simply because a few AccyWebbers think it would be a good idea - but I can request our local missionaries to avoid you in particular if that is your wish. In some countries missionary work is not permitted by law. In which case our missionaries do not go there, or if they do they go as 'service missionaries' just helping and not proselyting. If they come to an area where cold calling is not permitted then they should not call there door to door either. I'm not saying that everyone of the thousands of missionaries throughout the world is perfect but they do try to do their best.

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Still would view this as play acting ... just the physical side of worship to show how it is done, and have no objection if it were a child of mine. Most kids of 11/12 years would just giggle when doing something foreign to them as this. It's what is in your heart whilst doing it, not just getting on your knees and facing Mecca.

Can always cross your fingers behind your back Willow... :D

I go to church weddings, etc., and although I have no religious feelings, will bow my head, even recite The Lord's Prayer in respect for the main players. What I am probably thinking at the time is what I will organise for my tea the next day, etc.

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Haven't missed a word, read each one with a sense of bewilderment, the views of all religious zealots fascinate me, don't get me wrong I know in your heart of hearts you believe all you say and mean well, but by heck lass you're not coming across with a great deal of what I would call Christian values.

:o

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Well, as said before, think detention was a little harsh, but we just don't really know how the children reacted to this, and their attitude in class.

Agree, if the children did not wish to do it, particularly in the climate at the moment, she should have just smiled and said "Ok, just watch the others then". However, may have prompted the whole class to sit out .. LOL.

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Without going too far into the semantics except to say that, ultimately, Christians and Muslims are praying to the same god (The Father, Allah, Jehovah - just names) I don't think what the teacher did was particularly wrong. In today's hysterical (on both sides of the religious divide) climate her action was ill-judged and she should not, perhaps, have been surprised at the reactions of some of her pupils so her prime sin seems to me to have been naiveté. If she didn't anticipate the problems that resulted from her over-enthusiastic RE lesson she's not very au fait with today's world, is she?

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Agree with that wholeheartedly West Ender .. they now hear so much anti-muslim at home these days, that they daren't cross the barrier of participating. The teacher should, like you say, be aware of this.

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I agree with you up to that point West Ender. If the kids hadn't ended up getting detention I don't think there'd have been any story at all.

Katex may well be right though, the detention could have been for an attitude problem in the way they responded to the teacher rather than for not wanting to do something which they felt was contrary to their own beliefs.

:confused: Please can you explain to me what you consider to be unChristian about my values, bearing in mind that I always eagerly want to know what other people's beliefs are and would always defend their right to have those beliefs? In fact I've recently asked a Pagan lady to explain her beliefs and practices to me, not with the intent of decrying them but in a bid to better understand her as we seem to have such a lot in common. All I ask is that no-one (child or adult of any religion or none) should be forced to participate against their will in any (other) religion if they feel uncomfortable about doing so. I'm sorry but I can't understand what is unChristian about that.

One of the Articles of Faith of our Church states;
" We claim the privilege if worshipping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may." I stand 100% behind that statement.

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No I won't, I suggest you read through your own posts and see if there is something lacking in your Christian spirit, I am an atheist not your pastor!

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Yes i think th same as vera its not british any more,but life must go on.

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"Our Father, who art in heaven, hallowed be THY NAME". Please forgive me for my quote from the Bible but I would like to explain my feelings toward this interesting thread.
As far as I see it and I have read about many religions of this world, there is only one God and he is a spiritual being with many names, Allah, Buddah, Jehovah, Krishna, etc... but sadly the human race being as it is, so split in its various beliefs and dogmas cannot yet see the full picture. If you imagine a mountain and the supreme being sitting on a throne at the top, with all the religionists all round the base of the mountain in such a position as they cannot see each other but they can see Him/Her, if you were to ask the Muslim he/she would say "that is Allah", and the Buddhist "that is Buddah" and so on until they all climb the mountain in the life long search for their own truth. It is then and only then when they meet one another at the top of the mountain they find out the real truth. Now comes the sad part which humanity ought to be ashamed of is the way we have treat one another in our search for the truth, and all the intolerance to others beliefs and last but by no means least the wars and loss of lives that have ocurred in the quest for this knowledge. (That is just my humble opinion)

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If my kids came home and told me they were made to pray to Allah, I would go ruddy mental!

I do NOT believe there is any God, im a atheist.:D, so why on earth should my kids learn about summat that does not exist....To me or them?

I have nothing against Religion but my kids do not need preaching too either.

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Are you not prepared to let your kids make their own minds up, I would never have tried to influence mine, in as much I'm a life long Rovers fan both my girls support United:mad::rolleyes::D

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I think they already have:rolleyes:

They have asked me if there is a God, i reply in saying....to me, ...no, but its up to you, what you believe....;):rolleyes:

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I found nothing in your posts to object to, Willow. Your views were no different to those of many who accept the beliefs of others while feeling unable to share them.

I'm agnostic, myself, educated in catholicism, by my R C mother, and brought up by my agnostic father to detest intolerance in any form. In fact it's one thing I just can't tolerate. (Sorry - I couldn't resist that ;)).

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:D I know it sounds daft but I know what you mean. Intolerance bugs me too.

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Sorry katex but kids are like sponges. They will soak up what is shown or told to them even if they or their parents don’t realise it from a very early age. That's how they learn.

I never did Latin at school but I can remember the words to Adeste Fidelis and the Hail Mary and Our Father in Latin. I can still remember parts of the mass in Latin and I was never an alter boy. Why because it was drilled into me whilst still very young and I consider that I was brain washed starting at a very young age.

It was only when I started at the Ossy Tech that I was able to start to throw off the shackles of religious indoctrination and finally managed after I joined the navy. Even in the intervening years as a scout with the Loyola Troop based at the Sacred Heart church in Accrington the Catholicism was reinforced. It was all the religious mumbo jumbo that saw me leave the scouts and join the Air Training Corps.

Get the kids young enough or plant a seed and there is a good chance you have them for life or at least until they wise up.

Do the teachers make the kids re-enact Marco Polo’s adventures in the Far East?

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My two children and my grandaughter attended what I would describe as Christian schools, grandaughter attending a Catholic college in Leeds.

Son took Religious Education at G.C.S.E. level, and grandaughter just done her A-level in this subject.

They are all atheists (not my doing .. have made their own minds up), neverless, enjoyed this subject tremendously. Not what it used to be, covers all angles of religion and how it affects people's lifes, socially, geographically, movement of people, historically, affects on the world (yes, wars, etc) and how they relate to their fellow human beings.

This has been helpful to my son who followed a Planning career, and grandaughter who seems to be interested in Psychology/Politics .. :rolleyes:

I think by looking at all aspects of people's 'grouping' in the world of beliefs, has given them a better understanding in readiness for future employment. I believe that by participating in all aspects of this subject it has given them more tolerance to those that are prejudice to other people's beliefs.

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I think that Religious Studies at A'Level is more like a philosophy course anyway.