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mani 17-07-2008 20:25
The Elevate/pheonix scheme
 
just came back from the meeting and listened to the final plans of the scheme.

WHAT A LET DOWN.

oh we'll do this to your houses and do that to your back streets and regenerate the businesses and fix the roofing.

nope its just a sand blast and pointing and its only those ppl who live along blackburn road and countess street. the vast number of houses inbetween wont even be touched as ppl driving into accrington "cant see them"

we'll knock a fwe houses down at the bottom of portland st and steiner st and do a special project there. we'll knock a few houses down opposite the health centre and build a square there for ppl to sit.

those people who have had their full houses refurbished front back and roof have got away with it before elevate changed the rules now they stipulate just fronts.

barely a regeneration for the area.

cashman 17-07-2008 20:31
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mani (Post 608295)
just came back from the meeting and listened to the final plans of the scheme.

WHAT A LET DOWN.

oh we'll do this to your houses and do that to your back streets and regenerate the businesses and fix the roofing.

nope its just a sand blast and pointing and its only those ppl who live along blackburn road and countess street. the vast number of houses inbetween wont even be touched as ppl driving into accrington "cant see them"


those people who have had their full houses refurbished front back and roof have got away with it before elevate changed the rules now they stipulate just fronts.

barely a regeneration for the area.
thats all they are doing to ours mani, their on wi it now, was only phase 1 that got the full monty.:rolleyes:

mani 17-07-2008 21:30
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exactly. oh no elevate changed the rules we cant do this and that.

but at the start - no this is an effort to raise the quality of life in this whole area we'll be considering making bigger houses, new houses if we have to, better parking areas, more play areas, less this more that

they've just taken the cheap way out now that east accrington is "an area of serious concern"

cashman 17-07-2008 21:53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mani (Post 608340)
exactly. oh no elevate changed the rules we cant do this and that.

but at the start - no this is an effort to raise the quality of life in this whole area we'll be considering making bigger houses, new houses if we have to, better parking areas, more play areas, less this more that

they've just taken the cheap way out now that east accrington is "an area of serious concern"
or perhaps phase 1 was were our councillors relatives live,who knows?:confused:

mani 17-07-2008 21:56
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*LMAO* the phase 1-1 on blackburn road the big houses is where the councillor at the time for labour used to live - he got his block sorted and it was a case of seeya laters folks. then came the lister st/tremellen st to which the bloke at the meeting said was due to the fact them knowing those houses were in good condition and werent going to be knocked down - they were apparently still uncertain about the rest

so the best houses got even better and then they skanked out the rest of them

katex 17-07-2008 21:59
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So did you express your concerns Mani ? ... :D

mani 17-07-2008 22:04
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yeah. i asked the q's but its like every other reply from him was its all elevate's fault for changing the guidance. we'll just have to wait and see if they change the rules again.

cmonstanley 17-07-2008 22:29
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allegedly a lot of dodgy people made money out of this.personally i think they should have put all the money in a high interest account for 3 years and by that time house prices will be down and they could have done more..private companies private landlords have made a packet out of this it stinks...allegedly;)

cashman 17-07-2008 22:35
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Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 608381)
allegedly a lot of dodgy people made money out of this.personally i think they should have put all the money in a high interest account for 3 years and by that time house prices will be down and they could have done more..private companies private landlords have made a packet out of this it stinks...allegedly;)
yeh little birds have a habit of landing on me shoulder:D end of the day though,bottom line is were getting the fronts done fer ****** all. don't make it right nonetheless.:rolleyes:

MargaretR 27-11-2008 18:47
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Credit crunch hits East Lancashire regeneration (From Lancashire Telegraph)
The Elevate scheme for east Accrington is struggling to find developers to take it on.
Looks like we will have wide open spaces, where there once were houses, for a year or two

derekgas 27-11-2008 18:54
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That report says that £317 million was funded to elevate from the government, would be nice to see audited accounts for that eh? I said in another thread that some of this funding was dodgy, (eaga and warmfront, which is owned by eaga), we were invited to tender for the warmfront grant works, and initially, they wanted a letter from the bank stating that they had a £25,000 bond, two days later we recieved a letter stating that 25k was the minimum, so even if we had £25k to do this, the actual figure isnt known, therefore, we would have to ask the bank for a letter, gauranteeing a bond for an amount which eaga have not yet decided on.. sure the bank will say yes! :rolleyes:, so warmfront will continue to do much more than the 20% of the grants initially allowed, and the profits will line the pockets of whoever is behind it all.

accyman 27-11-2008 20:37
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how many times are they going to get free sandblasting along blackburn road? , I can recall them been done twice in the last 10 years

give the poor sods around the back streets a treat for once

ps:

i dont live anywhere near there so im not angling for a free sand blast i just think its not fair for the same people to repeatedly get things free

Mick 28-11-2008 06:19
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If you go down the back streets ie countess st you will see they are sand blasting a lot of the side streets too

Benipete 28-11-2008 06:31
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There's scaffolding up around the "new" houses,what's that all about?:confused::confused:

Atarah 05-10-2011 12:15
Blackburn Road area
 
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Here are some up to date photos of the new properties now built along the Blackburn Road area, from Lonsdale Street corner. This is where all the smashing terraced houses which had done our town proud for over a 100 years once stood.

mobertol 05-10-2011 13:12
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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 938065)
Here are some up to date photos of the new properties now built along the Blackburn Road area, from Lonsdale Street corner. This is where all the smashing terraced houses which had done our town proud for over a 100 years once stood.
Can't say I like the style, why on earth are they building balconies on houses in the North of England, completely out of character. What a shame the old buildings weren't just rennovated. I used to go to the surgery on Blackburn Rd., not far along from the corner of Lonsdale St., as a child -Dr.Harbinson's -it was a lovely stone built house and I remember it still had a lot of original features in -fireplaces etc.

Wynonie Harris 05-10-2011 13:15
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Outright vandalism. Ugly concrete boxes to replace craftsman-built stone houses which would've lasted for another 100 years or more.

Why are those in charge so determined to ruin my old home town one way and another? :( :mad:

Atarah 05-10-2011 13:35
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Hi Mobertol, was this the doctors you meant?

accyman 05-10-2011 13:42
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 938074)
Can't say I like the style, why on earth are they building balconies on houses in the North of England, completely out of character.
aye but you cant beat sitting out on a balcony sipping on a fine chardenay whilst looking out over solid jammed rush hour traffic until dusk with bored drivers peering into your windows while they wait to move that few extra feet before the lights go back to red lol

some people will buy anything and these houses prove it lol

mobertol 05-10-2011 14:14
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Originally Posted by Atarah (Post 938079)
Hi Mobertol, was this the doctors you meant?
Yes, thanks for that Atarah -is it still there?:)

It's a fantastic building -hope it hasn't been bull-dozed!

Apart from going to the Docs -used to pass along that way a lot as my Grandparents lived on Exchange Street (top of Lonsdale St.). I saw Exchange St. was a bit run down last time I passed it a few yrs sgo -I think a lot of the properties were being rented out (my Grandparents house definitely was.)

Neil 05-10-2011 15:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 938075)
Outright vandalism. Ugly concrete boxes to replace craftsman-built stone houses which would've lasted for another 100 years or more.

Why are those in charge so determined to ruin my old home town one way and another? :( :mad:
[rant] Not everyone wants to live in a terraced house with high ceilings costing a fortune to heat with front doors straight onto the footpath so dirty dogs pee on your door step. People walking inches from your front room window peering in while you watch corrie. No where to park your car and no garden for the kids to play.

Many people want modern new housing with garden space and off road parking. Cul-de-sac's so the only cars being those that live there so the kids are safer with no boy racers screaming down the street taking short cuts.

We live in a terraced house but it is a good size with a garden, garage and (very) short drive. We bought it because we like it but we would not live in a non garden fronted again unless we had to because we dont like them.

If those that have commented about the destruction of our old houses love them so much then fine you live in them but dont moan about those that dont like them its there choice and that is what the builders are offering, a choice of housing. [/rant]

Wynonie Harris 05-10-2011 16:10
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What's the point of knocking down perfectly good houses which have years and years of life left in them to build houses of an inferior quality? As for gardens, I seem to remember that those streets off that particular part of Blackburn Road all had their own gardens anyway. There seems to be a tendency here to destroy the town's rich heritage and replace it with an ugly modernity which is totally at odds with its surroundings.

garinda 05-10-2011 16:41
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Originally Posted by Wynonie Harris (Post 938110)
What's the point of knocking down perfectly good houses which have years and years of life left in them to build houses of an inferior quality? As for gardens, I seem to remember that those streets off that particular part of Blackburn Road all had their own gardens anyway. There seems to be a tendency here to destroy the town's rich heritage and replace it with an ugly modernity which is totally at odds with its surroundings.
Let's not forget the area just across the road, nearer to Church traffic lights.

An area where once stood for a hundred years, well built stone houses.

They were demolished in the late seventies.

The eighties saw 'new and modern homes' built on the site.

Twenty years they were demolished.

We'll just have to wait with bated breath, to see what they throw up there next.

Whatever it is, won't be as solidly built as what originally stood there.

garinda 05-10-2011 16:42
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 938100)
[rant] Not everyone wants to live in a terraced house with high ceilings costing a fortune to heat with front doors straight onto the footpath so dirty dogs pee on your door step. People walking inches from your front room window peering in while you watch corrie. No where to park your car and no garden for the kids to play.

Many people want modern new housing with garden space and off road parking. Cul-de-sac's so the only cars being those that live there so the kids are safer with no boy racers screaming down the street taking short cuts.

We live in a terraced house but it is a good size with a garden, garage and (very) short drive. We bought it because we like it but we would not live in a non garden fronted again unless we had to because we dont like them.

If those that have commented about the destruction of our old houses love them so much then fine you live in them but dont moan about those that dont like them its there choice and that is what the builders are offering, a choice of housing. [/rant]
Don't ever move to Chelsea, Kensington, or Belgravia...from the sounds of it, you'd hate it.

;):D

Margaret Pilkington 05-10-2011 16:53
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I would choose an old terraced house over new build every time.
They have character.......and high ceilings can be lowered.......and most are, when renovations take place.

I don't think people were given a chance to live in them, they were just demolished.
I am pretty sure that if the money spent on building new characterless (my opinion) properties had been spent on renovating and modernising the old terraced houses, then they would have been comfortable and attractive to live in.

Unfortunately some people do not have the luxury of choice, as to whether they have a straight off the street terrace, or one with a garden.......many folk would just be pleased to have a roof over their head.

Busman747 05-10-2011 17:07
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 938100)
[rant] If those that have commented about the destruction of our old houses love them so much then fine you live in them but dont moan about those that dont like them its there choice and that is what the builders are offering, a choice of housing. [/rant]
I think that's a little unfair to criticize Wynoni's personal views Neil. You yourself have given your views in your reply which is fair enough. You prefer new-build houses, no problem.

As a "Southerner" I absolutely loved the terraced housing when I moved to Accrington. My house in Bedfordshire looked smart, had a front and back garden, loads of room - - BUT- - we could hear the neighbours walking about at night, TV's and music centres couldn't go against an adjoining wall, before my wife and I had any "night-time" fun, we had to be as sure as we could that our teenage girls were actually sleeping! Our TV often woke the girls and they would often come down to ask if the volume (which was low) could be any lower!

I once decided to take out an interior wall and was surprised to find that between the hardboard was just compressed straw!!

In contrast, the terraced house I now live in (Which is 110 years old) has no garden worth mentioning, the walls are not straight (thinking about it, they are straighter than my old house:rolleyes:) but I can go to bed in the knowledge that I can converse with Willow without being overheard in the bedroom next door, I don't hear my neighbours and they don't hear us!

There are pros and cons whatever housing you choose but the point that was being made by Wynoni is that because some people prefer older terrace housing, it was wrong to pull down these houses just to build "modern" houses.

AND DON'T FORGET!!! And I could be wrong on this, Builders, certain tradesmen and I suspect, a few from the council/quango's have profited quite nicely from the arrangements made. In contrast, home owners were at first offered (under compulsory purchase) silly prices for their homes to be knocked down and I believe this was later reduced to "loans" that were available to assist buying new property which had to repaid should the home owner subsequently sell at a profit!

garinda 05-10-2011 17:11
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 938124)
I would choose an old terraced house over new build every time.
They have character.......and high ceilings can be lowered.......and most are, when renovations take place.

I don't think people were given a chance to live in them, they were just demolished.
I am pretty sure that if the money spent on building new characterless (my opinion) properties had been spent on renovating and modernising the old terraced houses, then they would have been comfortable and attractive to live in.

Unfortunately some people do not have the luxury of choice, as to whether they have a straight off the street terrace, or one with a garden.......many folk would just be pleased to have a roof over their head.
In London, just the otherside of the Thames from Chelsea, Kensington, and Belgravia, are some of the most sought after homes in the capital.

Small, brick built, unilke our superior stone built terraced housing, two up, two down, small back yards, with doors opening straight on to the pavement.

Wandsworth council had the vision not to demolish these former workers' terraced houses.

People aspire to live in them.

As long as they have a million quid, with which to buy one.

garinda 05-10-2011 17:17
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I've lived in old, new, houses of every sort, and flats.

My preference now is to live in a traditional terraced house.

I've never been happier, than living in my home now.

:)

garinda 05-10-2011 17:21
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Everyone does have their own preferences, but quite frankly I'd rather live in a cardboard box, or at least be paid, than live in some modern Brookside Close type house.

Neil 05-10-2011 20:32
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 938119)
Don't ever move to Chelsea, Kensington, or Belgravia...from the sounds of it, you'd hate it.

;):D

You know where I live and I love houses terraced houses like mine.

Neil 05-10-2011 20:39
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 938124)
I would choose an old terraced house over new build every time.....

Exactly and that is your choice. The people who moved into those new ones had a choice as well and they chose to live in them.

We chose to live in an end terrace with most of the pros of a semi.

How many times have people on here moaned about carrying their recycling from the back yard through the house to the front?

garinda 05-10-2011 21:28
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 938205)
You know where I live and I love houses terraced houses like mine.
You know where I live and I love houses terraced houses like mine.

;):D

Margaret Pilkington 05-10-2011 22:10
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 938206)
Exactly and that is your choice. The people who moved into those new ones had a choice as well and they chose to live in them.

We chose to live in an end terrace with most of the pros of a semi.

How many times have people on here moaned about carrying their recycling from the back yard through the house to the front?
Yes, it is a British complaint......we all enjoy a good moan now and then.

Mick 06-10-2011 05:18
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Originally Posted by mobertol (Post 938085)
Yes, thanks for that Atarah -is it still there?:)

It's a fantastic building -hope it hasn't been bull-dozed!
Er yes it has it was on its own for a while after all the other housed where made into rubble but in the end it went the same way and so did sacred hearts church further down Blackburn road and this area is still empty after 4-5 years.

MargaretR 06-10-2011 11:13
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17 Hornby St Osw, 1942 - 1961 terraced
249 Dill Hall Lane, 1961 - 1967 terraced
28 West Close Ave Higham, 1967 - 1971 semi bungalow
26 Lord St Osw, 1971 - 1972 terraced
8 Chapel St Belthorn, 1972 - 1978 terraced cottage

27 Laburnum Drive Osw, semi
Hawthorn Ave Osw gfloor flat (shop converted)
the 2 above rented for total 6 months during refurb of -

17 Catlow Hall St Osw, 1979 - 1984 gable end terraced
60 Dill Hall Lane , 1984 - 1991 terraced
8 Barnes St Church, 1991 - 2002 terraced

The list above shows I have lived in seven stone built terraced houses.
The sizes and interior layouts differed, so it is not realistic to say that all terraced houses are better to live in than new builds.

Two of them had only single brick walls dividing next door - hence neighbour noise.
One had no front garden - hence street noise & litter.

Some terraced houses are worth preserving - many aren't.

From my frequent flittings I can say with some authority that what matters most is -
location, location, location.

emamum 06-10-2011 11:50
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theres a local phrase that explains what they are doing..... polishing a turd ;-)

Margaret Pilkington 06-10-2011 12:05
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Yes, you are right........I wanted to put that but feared it was a little.......coarse.

emamum 06-10-2011 13:09
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Originally Posted by Margaret Pilkington (Post 938308)
Yes, you are right........I wanted to put that but feared it was a little.......coarse.
sorry :o:o

Margaret Pilkington 06-10-2011 13:57
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Oh No, please don't apologise. Your comment is very apt and I agree with it entirely....it is just that I didn't want to have to say it.....but I'm glad you did.

g jones 07-10-2011 06:50
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 938293)
17 Hornby St Osw, 1942 - 1961 terraced
249 Dill Hall Lane, 1961 - 1967 terraced
28 West Close Ave Higham, 1967 - 1971 semi bungalow
26 Lord St Osw, 1971 - 1972 terraced
8 Chapel St Belthorn, 1972 - 1978 terraced cottage

27 Laburnum Drive Osw, semi
Hawthorn Ave Osw gfloor flat (shop converted)
the 2 above rented for total 6 months during refurb of -

17 Catlow Hall St Osw, 1979 - 1984 gable end terraced
60 Dill Hall Lane , 1984 - 1991 terraced
8 Barnes St Church, 1991 - 2002 terraced

The list above shows I have lived in seven stone built terraced houses.
The sizes and interior layouts differed, so it is not realistic to say that all terraced houses are better to live in than new builds.

Two of them had only single brick walls dividing next door - hence neighbour noise.
One had no front garden - hence street noise & litter.

Some terraced houses are worth preserving - many aren't.

From my frequent flittings I can say with some authority that what matters most is -
location, location, location.
Good points there Margaret especially the location one. People want open space and greenery, security and good neighbours.

The last crackpot Council have sold ALL the land (for £1) where houses were demolished along Blackburn Road to Keepmoat for it ALL to be built on again. They even stupidly allowed them to build right up to the road.

Just so glad they have gone. Everything they touched either wasted £millions or damaged the Borough and that development shows a clear insight into their lack of intelligence. Very few things make me angry but that does.

It should have been as you say Margaret an opportunity to turn it into a more desirable location with a urban forest or huge park with playing fields and land banked the edges for large desirable houses in 5 years or so to net the Borough a financial return.

Benipete 07-10-2011 08:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by g jones (Post 938411)
Good points there Margaret especially the location one. People want open space and greenery, security and good neighbours.

The last crackpot Council have sold ALL the land (for £1) where houses were demolished along Blackburn Road to Keepmoat for it ALL to be built on again. They even stupidly allowed them to build right up to the road.

Just so glad they have gone. Everything they touched either wasted £millions or damaged the Borough and that development shows a clear insight into their lack of intelligence. Very few things make me angry but that does.

It should have been as you say Margaret an opportunity to turn it into a more desirable location with a urban forest or huge park with playing fields and land banked the edges for large desirable houses in 5 years or so to net the Borough a financial return.
I find myself agreeing entirely with you In this case.No one in their right mind would build on the very edge of a main road or more to your point no one in their right mind would allow It.:mad:

In all my years of building I have never seen it before.:confused::confused:

Mick 20-05-2012 05:09
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Post moved
to its own thread by request as its the next phase of the project
http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rch-61535.html


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