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jaysay 11-08-2008 11:34

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United Utilities are planning to raise water rates by 3% above inflation over the next 5 years, I suppose it had to come:(

Loz 11-08-2008 11:41

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No great surprise with everything else going up.
Just another bit of bad news for everybody as if there isn't enough already!!

flashy 11-08-2008 12:43

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i pay £290 a year for my water, when i first moved into this house 12 years ago i only paid £150 a year, so its nearly doubled in that amount of time

pipinfort 11-08-2008 12:49

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We are on a meter so we pay for what we use.......does`nt work out to bad but we are careful with what we waste....

jaysay 11-08-2008 16:31

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Originally Posted by pipinfort (Post 617743)
We are on a meter so we pay for what we use.......does`nt work out to bad but we are careful with what we waste....

I keep toying with the idea myself pipinfort, as I don't use that much water, I have a shower not a bath, only put the washer on about twice a week, only wash up once a day except at weekends, will have to give it some more thought:confused:

No.9 Dream 11-08-2008 17:52

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United Utilities are going to increase the rates for Churches of ALL denomonations by around 1300% rough guide is what costs £20 a week will cost around £250. This is mainly happening in the North West all will make some parishes uneconomical. UU are allowed to give reductions to charities and have refused to do so. Please sign the online petition www.petitions.pm.gov.uk/churchwaterbills and please email or write to Greg Pope. Even if you don't attend you may know someone who relies on their church for company etc.

garinda 11-08-2008 17:57

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...and guess who are the biggest polluters of our rivers and beaches?

Water firms are the biggest river polluters - Times Online

Sadly I second guess that this windfall will be trickling into it's shareholder's pockets, rather than be used to clean up our waterways.

pipinfort 11-08-2008 17:58

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 617811)
I keep toying with the idea myself pipinfort, as I don't use that much water, I have a shower not a bath, only put the washer on about twice a week, only wash up once a day except at weekends, will have to give it some more thought:confused:


The rule of thumb is that if you have more rooms than occupants you will save money,my mum & dad had one put in, you can try it for a year and opt out if you don`t save money but when you sell the house the next occupants must be on the meter, they saved quite a bit as opposed their rates as only the 2 of them live in a big detached now we have flown the coup.....

Eric 11-08-2008 18:52

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Paying for water:eek: What a concept! I pay a small amount to the city in my taxes so that I can use the city water, but it's such a small amount I don't bother to find out exactly what it is .... the only problem that we have is that sometimes in long hot dry spells the city puts some minor restrictions on watering lawns ... I suppose there are some advantages to living in a country which is home to most of the worlds available fresh water:alright: When we negotiated NAFTA with the yanks they wanted to make fresh water part of the agreement. Because we knew the buggers would try to screw us in the deal, and because Canadians want to keep control of our water, we refused .... if the yanks want our water and more access to our oil and natural gas the sons of bitches can damn well pay for it .... and pay large:dancedog:

polly 11-08-2008 19:21

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Originally Posted by No.9 Dream (Post 617848)
United Utilities are going to increase the rates for Churches of ALL denomonations by around 1300% rough guide is what costs £20 a week will cost around £250. This is mainly happening in the North West all will make some parishes uneconomical. UU are allowed to give reductions to charities and have refused to do so. Please sign the online petition www.petitions.pm.gov.uk/churchwaterbills and please email or write to Greg Pope. Even if you don't attend you may know someone who relies on their church for company etc.

:eek: Is it just churches or Places of Worship?
If it is the former I think there is a discrimination case here

cashman 11-08-2008 19:25

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i think this increase is dead funny n ironic, bet more than half those complaining about it, will be the " Muppets" who pay through the nose fer bottled water.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

MargaretR 11-08-2008 19:27

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How much water will a church use?- a water meter seems apt.
Other than for cleaning and, for some, blessing, what else?
If the vicar's residence has not paid in the past - he/she should have!

Eric 11-08-2008 19:28

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 617890)
i think this increase is dead funny n ironic, bet more than half those complaining about it, will be the " Muppets" who pay through the nose fer bottled water.:rofl38::rofl38::rofl38:

And how much of that bottled water has those three little letters on it PWS (Public Water Source). Which, I guess, means that it comes out of a bloody tap:eek:

cashman 11-08-2008 19:31

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 617895)
And how much of that bottled water has those three little letters on it PWS (Public Water Source). Which, I guess, means that it comes out of a bloody tap:eek:

i know that eric, you know that, but try telling the muppets.:D;)

Eric 11-08-2008 19:47

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 617897)
i know that eric, you know that, but try telling the muppets.:D;)

yeh ... I guess we are just not trendy .... I never drink water, fish screw in it.;)

Bonnyboy 11-08-2008 20:04

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 617892)
How much water will a church use?- a water meter seems apt.
Other than for cleaning and, for some, blessing, what else?
If the vicar's residence has not paid in the past - he/she should have!

They use tap water for blessings ??? I thought it had to be some special “holy” stuff passed by someone high up in the clergy:);)

Lilly 11-08-2008 20:43

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 617892)
How much water will a church use?- a water meter seems apt.
Other than for cleaning and, for some, blessing, what else?

Churches need water for cleaning, blessing, washing up, brewing up and making cordial for children after church services and functions.

Water is also needed for the many flowers that are in church, it is needed for flushing the toilet and washing hands.

More than you'd first think.

MargaretR 11-08-2008 21:05

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washing up, brewing up and making cordial flushing the toilet and washing hands.

Churches appear to have changed a lot since I was last in one - never saw a loo or a kitchen in any of them

Lilly 11-08-2008 21:10

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 617941)
washing up, brewing up and making cordial flushing the toilet and washing hands.

Churches appear to have changed a lot since I was last in one - never saw a loo or a kitchen in any of them

Was it a long time ago Margaret? Even very old churches have had these facilities put in years ago.

Immanuel and St Paul's in Ossy have them and they don't come much older than these two buildings so I assume the more modern buildings also have them.

MargaretR 11-08-2008 21:18

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 617944)
Was it a long time ago Margaret? Even very old churches have had these facilities put in years ago.

Immanuel and St Paul's in Ossy have them and they don't come much older than these two buildings so I assume the more modern buildings also have them.

It has been a struggle to remember. I am atheist.
I think it was a wedding at West End Methodist church circa 1993
The reason I remember that one was, I amazed other guests by my ability to sing all the hymns without looking at the book for the words - the indoctrination of a methodist childhood did that :)

Lilly 11-08-2008 21:20

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 617950)
It has been a struggle to remember. I am atheist.
I think it was a wedding at West End Methodist church circa 1993
The reason I remember that one was, I amazed other guests by my ability to sing all the hymns without looking at the book for the words - the indoctrination of a methodist childhood did that :)

Hahaha it never leaves you, does it? :)

MargaretR 11-08-2008 21:45

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I have just looked at United Utilities website and found a calculator for deciding if a water meter would be cheaper (live alone - no garden)
United Utilities web site :: Water meter calculator
I did the calculation twice - once showing my present facilities and use - and secondly showing use after a new wc and a shower (due this year).
Both calculations show that I would pay more.

BERNADETTE 11-08-2008 21:47

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I have heard bad reports about meters but some people seem to prefer them

Lilly 11-08-2008 21:50

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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 617960)
I have heard bad reports about meters but some people seem to prefer them

Like was mentioned earlier in the thread, the general rule is that if your house has more bedrooms than occupants a water meter will work out cheaper for you.

My house was built in 2000 so we are on a water meter. Ours is a 3 bedroomed house and there are 4 of us. I think it's expensive at £30 a month for water.

My uncle lived alone in a 4 bedroomed house after his divorce. He requested a meter to be fitted and said it was much cheaper for him.

cashman 11-08-2008 21:51

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have spoke to a few people a good while ago that had meters though one never had it put in,as it was there already, ALL said it was much more expensive.so far a few years now i have thought STUFF the Meters.

MargaretR 11-08-2008 21:57

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Originally Posted by Lilly (Post 617962)
Like was mentioned earlier in the thread, the general rule is that if your house has more bedrooms than occupants a water meter will work out cheaper for you.

My house was built in 2000 so we are on a water meter. Ours is a 3 bedroomed house and there are 4 of us. I think it's expensive at £30 a month for water.

My uncle lived alone in a 4 bedroomed house after his divorce. He requested a meter to be fitted and said it was much cheaper for him.

I am alone in a one bedroomed flat and pay £20.72 a month
Your 4 people charge of £30 looks reasonable by comparison

Lilly 11-08-2008 22:00

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 617966)
I am alone in a one bedroomed flat and pay £20.72 a month
Your 4 people charge of £30 looks reasonable by comparison

That sounds a lot for you on your own, Margaret. :(

I bet you're very careful with it too, aren't you? :confused:

MargaretR 11-08-2008 22:09

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I noticed the big price increase when I moved here from a terraced house where the charge was much less.
The antiquated system based on rateable value is still used for water rates.
I thought I might well benefit from a meter and entered reasonable frugal use on the website calculator, and was very surprised when it showed I would pay even more.

jaysay 12-08-2008 09:40

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Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 617958)
I have just looked at United Utilities website and found a calculator for deciding if a water meter would be cheaper (live alone - no garden)
United Utilities web site :: Water meter calculator
I did the calculation twice - once showing my present facilities and use - and secondly showing use after a new wc and a shower (due this year).
Both calculations show that I would pay more.

Just done the test Margaret and it says I'll save £43. 63p a year, mind you I pay £1 a month more than you, can't understand why seeing we live in more or less the same propeties, must have been the same RV

MargaretR 12-08-2008 10:24

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 618071)
Just done the test Margaret and it says I'll save £43. 63p a year, mind you I pay £1 a month more than you, can't understand why seeing we live in more or less the same propeties, must have been the same RV

Your flat was built later than mine and likely has a higher rateable value.

The different outcome for the calculations may well be due to my washing up twice a day and a laundry load three times a week.

When I calculated the second time, using shower instead of bath and dual flush wc instead of standard wc, the extra cost of a meter was marginal, but still more than I pay without a meter.

So I don't intend to ask for one - no point in paying more and needing to be careful with my usage.

It is highly unlikely that the use of the ancient method of using the rateable value will be changed, because the government want us all to have meters in the future, so a change to that is the only legislation likely in the future.

All you people in terraced houses - be thankful - and resist compulsory water meters.

Benipete 10-11-2009 06:53

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 617966)
I am alone in a one bedroomed flat and pay £20.72 a month
Your 4 people charge of £30 looks reasonable by comparison

Just received my water statement:(

Water used=£20-00.

Total bill=£250-00:(

Must have been that bath I had last month:D:D

lancsdave 10-11-2009 07:55

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 761803)
Just received my water statement:(

Water used=£20-00.

Total bill=£250-00:(

Must have been that bath I had last month:D:D

We've just had a bill for the shop. Water used 0.00, total bill £200.93. It was cheaper when we had the market stall, we had tons of it free of charge from the faulty guttering :(

MargaretR 10-11-2009 08:02

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Does your shop not have a WC?

lancsdave 10-11-2009 08:06

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 761813)
Does your shop not have a WC?

No, we don't even have water. There is a tap but it's not connected

BERNADETTE 10-11-2009 08:23

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 761812)
We've just had a bill for the shop. Water used 0.00, total bill £200.93. It was cheaper when we had the market stall, we had tons of it free of charge from the faulty guttering :(

How the hell can you be billed for a service you don't have?:confused:

MargaretR 10-11-2009 08:26

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If you dont use water or sewerage, I don't think you should pay.
They are likely to threaten to 'cut you off' :D

jaysay 10-11-2009 09:10

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 761814)
No, we don't even have water. There is a tap but it's not connected

Tell um the stuff their bill where the sun don't shine dave, like Margaret says they can cut you off if you don't pay, but you won't be missing nout:D

Retlaw 10-11-2009 17:19

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Originally Posted by Bonnyboy (Post 617916)
They use tap water for blessings ??? I thought it had to be some special “holy” stuff passed by someone high up in the clergy:);)

Would that be Bishop pee then.

Retlaw.

Retlaw 10-11-2009 17:37

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 617958)
I have just looked at United Utilities website and found a calculator for deciding if a water meter would be cheaper (live alone - no garden)
United Utilities web site :: Water meter calculator
I did the calculation twice - once showing my present facilities and use - and secondly showing use after a new wc and a shower (due this year).
Both calculations show that I would pay more.

Just did mine and it would cost another £80 a year.
When in the Fire Brigade, if we had to use water for other than fiire fighting it was 30p per Cub Mtr.
Where the ell do they get their fancy charges from.
They also charge for the drainage of the rain water that falls on your property as well, they act as if the are some sort of god, when they have no control over where water falls or how often. Its about time they were called to acount.
If gas & electric mains leaked like water mains, we would all be dead now.

Retlaw.


lancsdave 10-11-2009 18:27

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 761822)
Tell um the stuff their bill where the sun don't shine dave, like Margaret says they can cut you off if you don't pay, but you won't be missing nout:D


I beleiver from the other traders it's on ongoing battle. Problem is they can't cut you off they take you to court. This is what happens when we have monopolies which are backed up by politicians who have no backbone. :( ( PS jaysay, that applies to all sides ;) )

jaysay 11-11-2009 08:42

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 761904)
I beleiver from the other traders it's on ongoing battle. Problem is they can't cut you off they take you to court. This is what happens when we have monopolies which are backed up by politicians who have no backbone. :( ( PS jaysay, that applies to all sides ;) )

Well if they take you to court dave surely it would be thrown out, even monopolies can't charge you for something your not able to receive

Neil 11-11-2009 09:14

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 761814)
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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 761813)
Does your shop not have a WC?

No, we don't even have water. There is a tap but it's not connected

That explains the funny smell and the bucket in the corner behind the counter :rolleyes::eek::D

cashman 11-11-2009 09:46

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 762147)
Well if they take you to court dave surely it would be thrown out, even monopolies can't charge you for something your not able to receive

i would take legal advice before i paid a penny dave.

lancsdave 11-11-2009 10:09

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 762154)
That explains the funny smell and the bucket in the corner behind the counter :rolleyes::eek::D


We have unconventional methods of dealing with awkward customers :D

Neil 11-11-2009 10:21

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 762164)
We have unconventional methods of dealing with awkward customers :D

Is that ones in Rovers shirts? :D

Benipete 03-11-2010 11:03

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Well I've just got my latest statement and my Direct Debit has been increased from £20-59p a month to £30-68p a month.:eek:
I decided to ring and ask why.:confused:

Yes it does seam a lot said the man and immediately decreased it to £21 00 a month.:)

Still not satisfied I decided to investigate further.:cool:

The meter readings were way out and It turned out was not my meter they had been reading.:confused:

Back on the phone.:cool:

Oh dear there must be a mistake! I will arrange for an engineer to come out and investigate:rolleyes:.
This will take about a month then we will revise your bill.This will take another month.:rolleyes:

I wonder how long It would take If I canceled my payments?:confused::confused:

mallard 03-11-2010 17:58

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Its like anything they won,t bing it back down

jaysay 03-11-2010 18:18

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 858292)

I wonder how long It would take If I canceled my payments?:confused::confused:

Oh about 48 hours Beni:rolleyes:

mallard 04-11-2010 21:53

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Its like anything thing,s go up in incree but they dont come down.

Benipete 04-11-2010 22:37

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Originally Posted by mallard (Post 858853)
Its like anything thing,s go up in incree but they dont come down.

You seem to be missing the point.The readings are out by 100 cubic Mts and the meter Reg. no. does not correspond to my meter.So it is not my statement.:p

MargaretR 28-08-2013 09:50

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It seems like united Utilities are rather 'slap happy' with their billing.

I moved into this flat on 22nd July and when my son attempted to identify which water meter was mine (by running tap and looking which meter recorded it) it was discovered that the wrong meter has been used for billing purposes. This has been confirmed and corrected by their engineer's visit today.

Few of these flats are occupied by 'singles' like me - most are couples, many with young families. So if my son hadn't identified this billing error I would likely be paying the bill of a family of four!

accyman 28-08-2013 19:15

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Originally Posted by pipinfort (Post 617743)
We are on a meter so we pay for what we use.......does`nt work out to bad but we are careful with what we waste....


pitty the water company isnt as thoughtfull they charhe us more because they waste so much.

mailnly because they cant afford to fix the pipework and leaks etc after paying share holders bonuses

maxthecollie 28-08-2013 20:20

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What about the water leaking by the traffic lights at the bottom of Burnley Road Accy. It has been running for a few months now.

accyman 29-08-2013 09:43

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Originally Posted by maxthecollie (Post 1073354)
What about the water leaking by the traffic lights at the bottom of Burnley Road Accy. It has been running for a few months now.

and then they have the nerve to tell us to save water eh :rolleyes:

MargaretR 05-09-2013 19:47

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At post #51 I said they were slap happy with their billing - more evidence of incompetence -

Following their decision to use the correct meter to base my bill on:rolleyes:, they have sent me a bill covering almost a month of use.

I am pleased to see that it is less than I was paying when my bill was based on rateable value, BUT

....the direct debit I had set up at my old address had been allowed to continue (because they told me it could continue after moving) and had been actioned (debited) twice, and this new bill didn't show that I had paid anything.:confused:

I then had a 30 minute 'chat' online with their call centre - (glad I hadn't telephoned because it wouldn't have been free).

It transpired that they had left the account for my old address up and running and that I had been paying water rates on that empty property.

I had two account numbers for two addresses and have gone through the rigmarole of registering for online access to both in order to find out just what they were 'playing at'.

JEEZE - If they didn't have a monopoly on water supply they couldn't get away with such administrative messes.:mad:

jaysay 06-09-2013 17:34

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 1074558)
At post #51 I said they were slap happy with their billing - more evidence of incompetence -

Following their decision to use the correct meter to base my bill on:rolleyes:, they have sent me a bill covering almost a month of use.

I am pleased to see that it is less than I was paying when my bill was based on rateable value, BUT

....the direct debit I had set up at my old address had been allowed to continue (because they told me it could continue after moving) and had been actioned (debited) twice, and this new bill didn't show that I had paid anything.:confused:

I then had a 30 minute 'chat' online with their call centre - (glad I hadn't telephoned because it wouldn't have been free).

It transpired that they had left the account for my old address up and running and that I had been paying water rates on that empty property.

I had two account numbers for two addresses and have gone through the rigmarole of registering for online access to both in order to find out just what they were 'playing at'.

JEEZE - If they didn't have a monopoly on water supply they couldn't get away with such administrative messes.:mad:

If you tried to play the same game the cops would be knocking at your door accusing you of theft :mad:


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