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Ummm wonder if this will ever happen here.
I dont smoke anymore and havent done for 10 months now but I agree the ban has put many small businesses in danger of closure. It would be good to see them get some backing and if Germany can do it, why cant we?

German high court backs small bars against smoke ban | Science & Health | Reuters

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[quote=cherokee;619466]Ummm wonder if this will ever happen here.
I dont smoke anymore and havent done for 10 months now but I agree the ban has put many small businesses in danger of closure. It would be good to see them get some backing and if Germany can do it, why cant we?

Because we are British and must follow the rules.

The only country that does I must admit - But would you have it any other way:tongueout

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because our economey is shot to hell and it couldnt afford to back a 3 legged donkey at ascot nevermind back buisnesses

although they still find money to keep giving to imigrants , no matter how bad things get we still keep paying out when it comes to imigrants :rolleyes:

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Because we are not Nazis!

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this is the German view of the smoking ban in bars .........English version
The World from Berlin: 'Not a Victory for Smokers' - International - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News

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Think it would be great if something like that was brought in here but it won't happen because we aren't allowed little pleasures anymore!
The ban shouldn't have been enforced in the first place imo but i can't see the goverment reversing it now.

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theres no need to bring in this, the authorities only need to ignore it,same as they do in Spain, - no cost , no problem. but we are British.:rolleyes:

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I can't see the French taking much notice. We just sit back and take it. That's why we didn't have a revolution.

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Maybe this is the way to go?;)

DutchNews.nl - Smoking ban leads to new religion

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At least the Germans have recognised, in a roundabout way, the rights of everyone.

I see that the German anti-smoking lobby burbles on about clean air and the right of non-smokers to breathe it. I know that German motor engineering is superb but their vehicle engines still chuck out more poison than fags ever did. So where is this clean air?

I also notice that there are advocates of the owner of a business premises where the general public can enter having the right to decide for himself whether to run a non-smoking bar or a smoking bar. Market forces will decide if he made the right decision.

But the chances of our ‘control freak’ government back tracking on the orders of Brussels is remote in the extreme. They are too busy trying to line themselves up for an even more lucrative gravy train in Brussels.

If this government can give away our fishing rights in our territorial waters to the Spanish and French to the detriment of our own fishing fleet then it really is a question of “How high” when Brussels shouts ‘jump’.

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There is a legal loophole which nobody has tried to exploit yet that I know of.

Hotels can have a smoking lounge for residents.

Maybe the cost of building or converting space into a dormitory (and getting planning permission) is a 'put off'
The dorm needn't be posh because nobody will be expected to use it.
A receptionist at the entrance to the smokers lounge will charge a small 'bed fee' and book them in.

That way they can be treated as overnight residents. If any of them are tempted to use the dorm they could be deterred by an exhorbitant extra charge to be added for heat, light, hot water and bedding.

In the event of a raid by council inspectors, persons in the smokers lounge would produce a bed ticket and be shown the dorm.

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After posting I found this which complicates matters
Can I allow guests to smoke in a designated ‘smoking lounge’?
NO: No guest or member of staff is allowed to smoke in any public area of the property, even if all the
guests and staff are smokers.
Can guests smoke in their own private bedroom/accommodation?
YES: But only in certain bedrooms which have been designated as ‘smoking allowed rooms’. These are
for the use of the guest for the duration of their stay. These rooms must be designated in writing as
“smoking allowed” guest bedrooms and a register containing the identity of these rooms must be kept by
the management, and must be available for inspection by enforcement officers at any time. Staff will not be
permitted to smoke in these rooms.
Can any bedroom be designated as a smoking allowed room?
NO: There are certain requirements for smoking allowed rooms. Doors that lead to public smoke-free
areas of the property must have a mechanical closure device fitted, and any ventilation system must not
ventilate into any other smoke-free part of the premises [except another designated smoking allowed
bedroom]. A guest room designated must be clearly marked as a room where smoking is permitted.

So the smokers bar area will have to be in the same space as the dorm so that the whole area will constitute a bedroom.
http://www.breckland.gov.uk/guidance_for_hotels.pdf

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Sounds like a lot of hassle to me Margeret.
Do you think hotels would bother with all that?
It won't affect their buisness i wouldn't have thought so why bother?

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A drinking/smoking saloon named The Dormitary
The 'beds' in the drinking/smoking/sleeping area could be those Japanese small sleeping pods - to discourage any 'hanky panky'- in case the patrons insist on taking up their right to stay overnight.

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i forget which pub it is but theres one round here where 1 room has been declared private residence , smokers can go in it and have a smoke but they cant take their drink in with them

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Sounds good!
I'd definately book in there!
All we need now is for some rich buisnessman to set it up!

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The provision of beds and the booking of them, as an entry fee/bed deposit, will provide 'residency status'.
The patrons, after an evening of drinking and smoking, could 'change their mind' about staying and go home.

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There is a club locally where you are allowed to smoke in a seperate room. Not going to name it just in case but sure if they get caught they will get clobbered with a hefty fine

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thats probably teh one im thinking of and they cant do a damn thing as its his private residence , as long as they dont take their drinks into that room they are basicly guests in his home and become customers again when they go back to the bar room

havnt visited it myself but my friends have

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Our government too would bow to public pressure, if they ever got any! Sadly, we just lay back and take it, and that is half the reason we find ourselves in the state the country is in, and why we are dictated to all the time, the owners of free houses in particular should have the choice whether or not they allow smoking, and the patrons should be allowed to choose whether or not they frequent those premises, the government keep bailing out big business, immigration, wars etc, and will continue to do so untill they are forced to operate in a different way, the voting (or non voting) public have the power of change, but choose not to use it.

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What a lot of fuss and nonsense over a load of druggies!

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Is there any need for nasty comments like this??

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It is not nasty it is just factual nicotine is a drug, regular smoker are addicts.

The real question should be : Is there any need for such a nasty habbit?

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ya aint surprised are ya bernie?:rolleyes:

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No not really;)

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Well i think druggies is a pretty harsh description of smokers!
Yes it's a drug but we all know what the term druggies implies and i for one don't like being labelled in the same bracket as them!

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If you think about it druggies get better treated by the authorities than smokers...free syringes, methadone, and more funded charities than you could shake a spliff at !!!

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Good point!!
Why the hell are smokers vilified so damn much?
If we choose to do it then what has that got to do with anybody else?

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they get vilified so much Loz because of people like Polly.:rolleyes:

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as most older people who smoked were conned by advertising back in the day, that smoking was fashionable n cool, without being aware of the dangers, yet the tobacco companies knew but suppressed the information,that makes yer comment ignorant drivel n will give you the benifit of the doubt, that you dont know any better, although someone like you may dispute that.:tongueout

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Must be hard to be perfect.

I'm presuming you dont drink alcohol? drink coffee or tea? Take Painkillers??

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Ive been a non smoker all my life and people smoking has never botherd me, but some people, tell smokers, its a disgustig habbit, yea its bad for you,

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I'm just amazed (not) that all pubs and clubs aren't heaving.

All the non-smokers, who said they'd go into pubs if there was a smoking ban, are still nowhere to be seen.:rolleyes:

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I think that persons who suffer from flatulence should also have their own outdoor farting areas :rolleyes:

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....or indeed anyone that expells foul, hot air.

No names.

Now Garinda put the kettle on.:rolleyes:

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Didnt get to finish, But some people are down right rude to smokers, overnight its become disgusting, I think picking your bum, spitting, picking your nose is disgusting, In the grand scheme of things its not really disgusting, pretty soon haveing more than 3 or 4 drinks will be considered the same, FARTING in public will be band , let alone lighting it.

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Actually, no I dont smoke - never have, I do not drin tea or coffe and avoid painkillers whenever possible . But I do feel you have totally missed the point here,a chemical addiction is caused by an addictive substance. Nicotine is one such. In the majority of people alcohol is not addictive other than on a psychological level.
Nicotine is addictive in the same way as say cocaine and I do feel that if people faced up to this and accepted the cigarettes are an addictive substance and their users addicts society might finally be able to ge them the help they need, but of course they must want to be helped

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think you have missed the point, many people do want n try to stop smoking, as i have on numerous occasions, after losing me Mum,Dad,Wife, to cancer, all were heavy smokers,what people don't need is self opinionated, perfect, people calling em druggies.:(

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Actually it may very well be exactly what they need, to face reality

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people like you would not recognise reality if it hit you in the kisser.

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Intolerance
intolerance definition - Dictionary - MSN Encarta
1. refusal to accept differences: unwillingness or refusal to accept people who are different from you, or views, beliefs, or lifestyles that differ from your own
Yours appears to extend beyond the food intolerances you have previously mentioned here

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Drug addicts soon get hysterical when their addictions are attacked

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A little like you did yesterday, in this thread.

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/f...rty-41811.html

Indeed so hysterical, and humourless, that it seemed to affect your whole 'interlect'.;)

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There's something about polly's harsh, almost dictatorial approach to life that i find strangly attractive, do I need professional help?

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Yes:D .......are you into masochism?

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Are you referring to her condescending attitude to others? Just find it ignorant myself:(

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:theband:I'm in to sado-masochism, necrophilia and a bit of bestiality.... that was till I got done for flogging a dead horse.:hehetable

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We are well aware that nicotine is highly addictive,and yes it is addictive like cocaine or heroin but to be labelled the same as a druggie is very offensive,maybe you should choose your words more carefully in future.
Oh and i'm pleased to see that you are perfect and have no addictions whatsoever,it must make it easier slagging people off from your high horse.:rolleyes:

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polly will discover as she continues lifes journey.comments like hers,have a way of coming back n biting yer ass.:D

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its not gunna make her many friends on here!

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Well she hasn't made one here i'm afraid!

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Have given negative karma for that comment polly, being so perfect and wonderful must be the reason your profile shows you have made no friends on accyweb as yet.

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I Think Polly needs to put the Kettle on.

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The smoke from t'hob would probably go in her eyes.;)