Third Mosque for Accrington
 

How many mosques will there be in the near future in Accrington.Will the residents of Accrington be hearing the loud call to prayer from all directions of the town.It would be interesting to know how much private money would be going to the cost of this project and how much other funding from grants and groups who are funded by the tax payer to help further ethnic integration.
I think Accrington would be better served with new community halls and facilities for the elderly to replace the ones that had to close for lack of funding.This way all residents of the town would benefit.

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Reportedly there could be 'a large community centre at the side of the building'.

Also reported in the local press is the fact that this is a private enterprise, there is no mention of any public funds being used.

As for how many mosques are needed I suppose that's down to supply and demand, the same as it is for churches.

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The new mosque and community centre in Dublin looks very impressive.;)

http://www.islamfortoday.com/ireland.htm

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Personally I don't have a problem with place of worship of any denomination as long as its self funding, but it does seem ironic that as more and more christian churches are closing more Islamic centres are opening, must just be a sign of the times

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How true Garinda.

I just don't like them when they don't appear to fit in with the architecture of the area .. e.g. tacky looking gold domes .. yuk., and they do seem to get passed. Bling amongst our sceptred isle so to speak. :(

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The 'calling to prayers', whether it be church bells, or shouting from domes, is an obtrusive outdated practice which is totally unneccessary - we all have clocks and watches nowadays don't we :rolleyes:

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the one in Dublin looks fine n "Will" blend in with the city, so why some can't here is a question fer the council, who obviously must give planning permission.:rolleyes:

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Church Bells are lovely Margaret .. but isn't there some restriction now ?

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Might all be pie in the sky.

No plans have been submitted, and with the state of the economy, and the building industry, it might all come to nothing.

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Hopefully 'yes' - should be applied to all religious buildings.

If there is an event which warrants nationwide joy - eg end to war, then I dont mind them being rung

PS appears not
http://innertemplelibrary.wordpress....ily-telegraph/

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If you would find that interesting then you must be bored out of your socks!

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Agree, love the sound of Church Bells, and they aren't exactly early in the morning are they, 10ish? Quite a comforting sound I think..Out dated??? May be an age old practice, but think that's the point for some of us, religious or not. :)

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Funny how the deserters always complain loudest about whats going on locally ;)

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I would have thought that there were more than three.........

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It says in the Observer there are two in Accrington.

One in Higher Antley St., and the other's in Grimshaw St.

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The bigger concern should be the parking, wherever there is a mosque, it seems there is more illegal and inconsiderate parking on prayer days than anywhere else at any other time, and you wont see a traffic warden for at least a mile!

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The Anglo-Saxons probably said similar things when the Normans started building their Romanesque churches and cathedrals here, after 1066.:D

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There is one on Blackburn Road just further on than Willows Lane:)

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No way!

The Observer wrong?

:rolleyes::D

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Is the one on Blackburn Rd you're talking about not the one on Grimshaw St?

Depends what you class as a mosque I suppose. Big building with dome on?
There are others

Lancashire Mosques - Mosque Directory

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According to this link from the Lancashire Council of Mosques there are three, neither of them on Higher Antley St, Grimshaw St, or Blackburn Road.

Lancashire Mosques - Mosque Directory


Which must mean there are six.:confused:

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I don't see why there needs to be a dome on the top for it to be a mosque. Just thought it was any place where prayer gatherings are held.

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Im surpirised they dont want to build it where the old church used to be between barlow st and porter street and blackburn rd :rolleyes:

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That's what most people seem to complain about.

Personally it doesn't bother me, is a dome on top of a mosque any more of an eyesore than the Wigwam?

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[quote=Gordie;647795]How many mosques will there be in the near future in Accrington.Will the residents of Accrington be hearing the loud call to prayer from all directions of the town.


If they are as faithfull as they claim, why do they need calling to prayer, they should already be there. Often wondered why churches needed bells.

Retlaw.

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Isnt that the same for a church.. so why the steeple.. or the alter or the organ or anything else? just have it in a shed..

At least theres no nuns in a mosque... yuk! :)

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Exactly. or have religious icons outside in the grounds like some churches do...presumably not to some people's taste

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You misread what I meant, maybe these unoffical mosques have no planning permission hence HBC thinking there are only three. Not saying they need planning permission but would think safety issues would come into force with a lot of people in the building at the same time.

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seem to remember the one on Empress St at least applying for permission. Who says they are unofficial?

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Well if HBC say there are only three was my reasoning.

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The day that Islam takes over the UK draws ever closer.

Sharia law has now been integrated into British law. Any judgement made in a Sharia court will be rubber stamped by the British courts to give it full UK legal authority.

By the end of the 21st century the UK will be an Islamic country in all but name. Towns like Blackburn, Accrington, Bradford etc will be Islamic towns where non Muslims will be second class citizens unless they convert to Islam. But the chances are that by then non Muslims will have been quietly pushed out or left of their own accord.

That’s what has happened on a smaller scale in first streets, then areas, then districts. Veni Vidi Vici could have been coined for Islam rather than the Romans.

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The Romans didn't colonise us in quite the way you describe.
They were more like an army of occupation which left.

They established a system of government, sent taxes back to Rome, and established town style living.

They left as the empire declined, in order to defend other parts of the empire.

When they left, the small percentage that stayed were not true Romans, but persons who had been resident in other parts of the empire and who had been granted Roman citizenship due to army service. Most of them had never even been to Rome.
They stayed because they had integrated and married locals.

It always amazes me that people conclude that one small city can produce enough people to invade and rule an empire - they didn't - the term 'roman' applied to many nationalities who happen to have served in the roman army.

Our local fort at Ribchester housed 2 cavalry garrisons who originated in Iberia and, what is now, Hungary.

After the Romans left the system of government broke down and there followed 'the Dark Ages'.

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I am amazed that from just three Latin words you have managed to assume that I was describing how the Romans colonised the British Isles or at least part of them.

And then launched into a brief history lesson taking the thread totally off topic.

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Perhaps you need to be able to say those 3 little words in Urdu in order to avoid being misconstrued

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Perhaps you should try and overcome your overwhelming desire to make a post even if it drags the thread off topic.

Your turn!

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They stayed because they had married locals Margaret, where have I heard that before, seems the Yanks did that during the last war;)

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Could someone define what a mosque is? According to the Lancashire Council of Mosques there are only 4 mosques in the Audley Range area and I know there are at least 17 places of worship for Asians between the Fountains pub on Accrington Rd and Bennington St and that doesn't include groups held in private homes. That road is probably about 2 or 3 miles long. There are 2 churches as well.

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Garinda The Mosque in Dublin is a show piece to show Europe how tolerant the Irish are
thats all that really is.When in Rome do as the romans do stands here with reasonable tolerance to different cultures.

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Did I say it was anything else?

It looks jolly nice, and I'm sure the Republic of Ireland's 32,000 + Muslims enjoy worshipping there, plus anyone else who visits the community centre.

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This Dublin Mosque looks remarkably like an old Christian church.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dublin_Mosque

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ffs i wish jambutty would stop goin on about sharia - when it happens i'll make sure we implement it on you first yeah? i'll be the one with the whip....

as for this mosque - i hope it doesnt go through. there's no need for it. tariq ali is a bag of hot air which is why he didnt get elected. i do hope it gets made into a kids play area - a footy pitch or something. THATS needed a mosque isnt. the one just up from willows lane barely gets full on daily prayers and they all go to grimshaw st mosque for the friday prayers which still doesnt get full. only on the rare funerals i've seen that place get full and on eid prayers.

its in a bad location too - if possible they should seek to extend the grimshaw st site esp wtih the derelict site near by.

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Oh dear Mani...... now hes gunna call you kinky:rolleyes:

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At least you can see the full face of a nun.:rolleyes:

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Bought some postage stamps the other day from the asian post office on avenue parade ..... instead of the qheens head on them there was a picture of claudia jones ///civil rights activist. on them. I felt like giving them back and saying sorry i want british stamps with our queen on them not some activist.. what the hell is going on in this country. in a few years WE will be the minority in our own country.

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I despair at the thought of what is going on and no one is prepared to do a bat to prevent it.

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I say the same thing every year.

I buy stamps and there he is, the baby Jesus.

:D

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Mind you, I wouldn't particularly want to lick any of the others either.

http://www.norvic-philatelics.co.uk/...1014-women.jpg

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I think it is great that these women are recognised. These are people who did something for society, and didnt just spend their lives being chauffeured here there and every where waving their hand and living off the rest of us.

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I've read all the post before replying, I was going to say that all British stamps have to have the queens head on them, and as the post above shows they have. Since stamps were issued with portraits on them other than the monarch are have been literally thousands issued, the first being William Shakespeare (if I remember rightly), as some one who has a substantial stamp collection, I had an account with the post office, on the day of issue they would send me a mint set, (not first day covers). I think that stamps such as these are very interesting, and certainly better than just the ordinary picture of Liz

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I don't think a woman such as Marie Stopes, a supporter of eugenics, and who sent Hitler a love letter and a book of her poems, is a person who deserves much admiration.;)


Royal Mail condemned for honouring 'Nazi' Marie Stopes in Women of Distinction stamps | Mail Online

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Perhaps it is not for you ( or I ) to decide who is and who is not a suitable person for admiration? Personally i do not perceive them as being their for to be admired but for the contribution they made, through their own efforts, to ordinary peoples lives.
But lets face it inbred, parasites who enjoy the 'sport' of killing animals are not all that deserving of admiration

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Er....excuse me, unlike in Nazi Germany, where there wasn't freedom of speech, I have every right to think that a woman who professed her love for Adolf Hitler isn't a suitable person to be celebrated as a notable Briton, and to appear on our stamps.

Which 'inbred parasites' kill animals for 'sport'?

You've totally lost us there.:confused:

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I've just realised your remarks were probably aimed at the Royal Family.

At least they don't kill Jews and cripples for fun.;)

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There was no bigger nazi supporter than the ex Prince of Wales(almost king) - was a nazi collaborator/spy (allegedly) - he was shipped off to the Bahamas to limit the damage to our war effort

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Yes I know that, but that has nothing to do with Marie Stopes, and her being celebrated by appearing on a stamp.

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Perhaps some people would like to see a whole set of stamps celebrating British Nazi sympathisers.

As well as Marie Stopes we could have the Duke of Windsor, Oswald Mosley, Diana and Unity Mitford, Lord Rothermere, the then owner of the Daily Mail.

Personally I wouldn't.

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I imagine that Marie Stopes is commemorated (not necessarily celebrated) by the stamps because of the impact she had by introducing contraceptive services to the average person (women directly the whole population indirectly). I think her private life is irrelevant to this. She changed many peoples life with her pioneering work. End of story

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Stopes may have pioneered birth control for working class women, but her advocation of eugenics in relation to her Nazi sympathies, and the resulting atrocities they carried out in that field, is very relevant.

It's like saying Hitler and Mussolini should be remembered respectively for building good roads, and making the trains run on time, rather than their hideous crimes against humanity.

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As far as I am aware Marie Stopes was not directly responsible for any atrocities

Chill out a little. Few people in this world are perfect. The woman is long since dead and is a symbol of what women can do. Reaping up long forgotten issues serves no purpose

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Very touching, especially as tomorrow is Rememberance Day.

Happily millions of people do care about 'long forgotten issues', in the hope that it will never happen again.

You may think a Nazi sympathiser is a fit person to have on a British stamp. I do not.

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I am.:)

I find exposing idiocy very relaxing.;)

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have nothing at all against any briton being commemorated on our stamps, within reason, as far as Marie Stopes is concerned she does not enter those boundaries. imho, n find it strange some try to justify her inclusion.:( probably cos they were not aware of the things garinda posted, n are too stubborn to hold their hands up.

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Couldn't have put it better myself Garry.

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Getting above yourself aren’t you?

For your information mani this is a forum where members can express their views.

If you don’t like what I post then don’t read.:tongueout

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You learn something every day as they say......I never knew that Marie Stopes was acccused of being a nazi sympathiser. :eek:

However, she wasn't all bad, she did do a lot of good work for women and reproductive services.

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If that comment was directed at me, I was well aware that Marie Stopes had some ideas on Selective Breeding but as previously stated I do not see that as her lasting contribution to society and hence not worth the fuss

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Yes, but with her sending love letters to Hitler, being a Nazi symathiser, and an exponent of eugenics, it puts a rather different slant on why she didn't want the great unwashed breeding.;)

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Yeah, forget Auschwitz and Belsen, those autobahns the Nazi's built are damn fine roads.

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[quote=garinda;647805]Reportedly there could be 'a large community centre at the side of the building'.

Also reported in the local press is the fact that this is a private enterprise, there is no mention of any public funds being used.

As for how many mosques are needed I suppose that's down to supply and demand, the same as it is for churches.[/quote

Just because there is no mention of public funding in the local press does not mean there is none.There was also no mention in the local press when
most of the muslim students at Moorhead school where chanting and cheering when the nine eleven atrocity took place

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There was no mention in the press report of the new Mosque being built in space, and brought down to Accy by little green men either.

Perhaps that's going to happen too.;)

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well if the cap fits so they say, but as you are aware on certain ideas of hers, please enlighten us, after all they aint worth the fuss.

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My son is visiting this Mosque on Wednesday on a school trip.This mosque
has been allowed to be built purely for show to let Europe know how tolerant the Irish are towards ethnic communities.I would guess there is more chance of me winning the lotto than any more being built in Ireland
The Irish people have a lot more say in there goverment and beleive in when in Rome do as the romans do.They show tolerence but expect immigrants to embrace there culture and not try and change it.

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if thats the case, good on em.

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Cool, it's nice to know you're enjoying your Riverdance classes.

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similar

if you dont like what i'm writing - dont read them - and i'm sure a while back you put me on block - how blessed thy moment was

i'm expressing my views about you and i'm entirely free to do so in which way i choose.

so please - dont read! its not as if you could do that really well either.

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I deserted like many who were fortunate to be able do so because of the massive changes to Accrington Burnley Bradford Blackburn etc.When my young son was first starting his allocated school with a 35% ethnic ratio
and the parents of these ethnic pupils had taught there children there mother language first.Not surprising most could not count or knew there colours.This holds the local indigenous children back at a most important start of there life.When visitors to England dont intergrate and this causes a detrimental effect on young children its time to leave.This is not racism it is a fact.





















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Then the ethnicity of the school wouldn't be a problem for those pupils.;)

It's a good job you didn't send your children to Eton or Harrow, as the ethnic breakdown is much higher at those two schools, than the percentage you quoted.:)

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You cannot compare the elite schools with the normal run-of-the-mill schools.

Just show me one child at Eton or Harrow that does not speak very good English on the day that he starts.

You could also prove your statement with verifiable facts.

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I can't at the moment.

I'm busy researching the ethnic breakdown of homes for the infirm in Darwen.

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I think that children should not be able to attend schools unless they have reached a certain level in reading/writing/speaking English.

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I have worked with children that started school unable to speak english.. Many of the children learn english to a fairly high standard by the time they have left reception class... these children learn colours, shapes and are usually able to read at the same level as the lower ability english children....The ones that reach the second year (usually class 1) are the ones that cant do these things in their first language either.

There are children of all abilities in each class..do the special needs/ learning difficulties children hold the other children back?? Should we put them in special schools away from 'normal' children?

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Of course you are. Anything, rather than backing up your statements with verifiable facts.

It used to be called flannelling the public.

Make a statement that you have no idea whether it is accurate or not in the sure knowledge that some people will believe it.

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There must be atleast that figure 32,000 muslims in Hyndburn alone
maybe not the official figure though.

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There are no offical figures available.

Perhaps they don't see it as very important.

Using my judgement, after many visits to both establishments in the course of my work, I'd put the figure at 45%, give or take 1%.;)

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perhaps someone has verifiable facts to prove otherwise?:D

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Whats that go to do with a mosque in Dublin ?

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Seems that your not that fond of our Commonwealth Brethren Gordie:rolleyes:

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Yes we should. Maybe not special schools but separate classes. I still think a minimum standard of spoken English should be reached before going to school. Schools should not have to teach non English speaking children how to speak English. It is ridiculous that we provide everything in so many languages for non English speakers. It does nothing to encourage people to speak English and be a part of this Country and does everything to keep us divided into ethnic groups.

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Agree 100%, our own childrens education is being held back because of immigrant children because resources are being wasted on teaching how to speak english.

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I have no problem with our commonwealth brethran I am not a racist.
It is usually of benefit when immigrants settle into countrys if correct
immigration polices are carried out.
The immigration polices of past and present goverments have caused
the problems that now face the ordinary people of the UK on a daily basis.
I am not going to fool myself like some do and deny that there is no problem.
When most of Accringtons post office queues are largely made up of muslim women who wont or cant be bothered to speek English receiving large amounts of tax payers money and pensioners are picking up a pitance after paying there tax and insurance all there life.
I say enough is enough why should the ordinary people pay for mistakes
of bad immigration polices and let there town slowly resemble a place in Pakistan.

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So you thought if you can't beat them join them, and emigrated so you could become an immigrant yourself?

Cool.:D

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There is something ironic when people complain that others can't 'speek' English :cool:

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Tut tut, there is a difference between "speaking" and "spelling", the point made is correct.

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I don't agree in total with our immigration policies but the example used was far from being correct in my experience.

I would suggest the point about the post office queue is nowhere near correct. Everytime I go to the main post office the main language I hear is English, at least a version of it where every word begins with F. The same people have never seen a bar of soap and tend to bathe in lager, wine or cider. They are not the same nationality Gordie described.

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In a recent survey 1000 asylum seekers were asked if they thought that Britain should retain its present currency, 99% said that the Giro was just fine with them:D

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Exactly I am a immigrant. One who pays taxes and contributes as well as
benefiting from this country.If myself and my family did not want to mix and except Irish customs traditions and there culture we would not be excepted here.Immigrants from none EU countrys entering Ireland can not receive benefits for over a year until they have payed sufficient tax and then its limited.There is no free health service here or special treatment for any person who has not sufficiently contributed to the state. Consequently the vast majority of immigrants are poles who are genuinely
looking for work not a free ride.
I have said before immigrants are treated with tolerance and are expected
to except Irish traditions and culture and not try and change it

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You dont agree in total ? does that mean you sort of agree.
The next time your giro is due to be cashed lancsdave try using another
post office.You might fully agree then.

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shot yerself in the foot again dummy, he works.:rolleyes:

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Quote;If myself and my family did not want to mix and except Irish customs traditions and there culture we would not be excepted here.;

Help me out here, do you mean accept and accepted I'm confused by the difference in meaning.:confused::confused:

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I'm confused full stop with Gordie, Beni