Originally Posted by Boeing Guy (Post 653867)

Cashman, the forum in question is PPRuNe Forums - Professional Pilots Rumour Network

Pilots and all airport workers in the UK who have access to restricted areas are amongst the first to be getting the new ID cards, we already have a Restricted Area Card, also known as a Airside Pass, which allows you access to certain areas of the airport, ie a pilot will be allowed to access the Apron (where we park the planes), airside departure and arrival lounge, but not the baggage handling areas (where the mystical baggage handlers live and break your cases), or certain maintenance areas.
All staff who have one of these, as I do, has to undergo various security background checks, much more rigorous and time consuming than the new ID card checks.

The holder of a Airside Pass, still has to undergo Security Screening just as any other passenger and is also subject to the same rules.
BALPA (The British Airline Pilots Association) are against the ID card scheme as are the majority of Pilots and Air Crew.

Now I am off to play with my Crayons and Boeing 737-400, to Paris Orly and back

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 653771)

:dummy2::dummy2: Di-dums.

What's happened to your sense of humour?

I thought your ideals of free speech meant that any target was fair game, if it produced even the wryest of titters?

Or does it not apply if the butt of the joke is you or your little friend?

Originally Posted by Meccy (Post 654046)

I'm all for humour Garinda, I just thought that a person with your acumen would have used a more structured argument.

As to ID cards in the war, it was a necessary evil in a time of national peril. The were not needed afterwards and were abandoned. As to their efficacy, much the same as now - very easily forged and therefore useless. The only parties to gain in this are the agents of the state, collecting more and more data about us all. That's OK with a benign government but who can guarantee what kind of party will be in power in 10 , 20 or 50 years. It could so easily happen.

The argument that if you have nothing to hide that you have nothing to fear doesn't wash either. Again, with a benign government, no problem. Just think what life would be like if your every move could be tracked, the state looking over your shoulder all the time. That will come even closer with road pricing. It would, of course, be "For our own good"; but I don't want to live in a society like that, would you?

We need to protect our hard-won freedoms.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 654075)

I think Garinda should publish all the details the state would hold if he has no fear of it all being lost in one data leak. ;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 654079)

Why don't you?;)

I've absolutley nothing to hide.

I've never even been a member of any political organisation, unlike some.;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 654079)

Why don't you?;)

I've absolutley nothing to hide.

I've never even been a member of any political organisation, unlike some.;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 654081)

I dont have a proble of I.D.cards in principle as we all carry some for of I.D all the time, its more a marrer of the governmnt losing all my data that scares the crap out of me.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 654083)

Go ahead then? I won't be doing. I'm not in favour of £20billion schemes which will make not an ounce of difference other than making it easier for the government to lose my data. I'd rather they go on the police, the NHS, I'd rather they save lives than be some fictitious defeater of terrorism.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 654092)

Pray how much is the war in Iraq/Afghanistan costing each day, the war your beloved Conservatives agreed we should fight in?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 654092)

Nice. I'm sure that attitude will bring great comfort to the families that have lost a loved one killed by a terrorist's bomb.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 654098)

Terrorists who would all have held ID cards. We should be spending money on the police, to prevent terrorism, so we have no more blood shed on our streets. No use being able to identify a terrorist only after they have committed the act.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 654098)

Terrorists who would all have held ID cards. We should be spending money on the police, to prevent terrorism, so we have no more blood shed on our streets.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 654101)

Er...wrong again.

At present I don't think you have to carry an identity card if you are from Leeds.;)

Originally Posted by andrewb

Terrorists who would all have held ID cards.