Originally Posted by magpie (Post 659100)

why can the woolworth's stores from the states chip in to help keep it ? just a thought:

Originally Posted by Mr Matthew (Post 659232)

Problem with Woolies, is they sell absolutely nothing anyone wants. I went in last week wanting to go on a spending spree, money burning a whole in my pocket, and literally found nothing to buy.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 659277)

not really moaning bernie, its just stating fact. expensive tat is why these these poor sods are out of a job.

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 659555)

as i said earlier linds, thats why these poor sods are losing their jobs, expensive tat, n thats a fact.

Originally Posted by lindsay ormerod (Post 659552)

To me nowt had been reduced more....very disapointed:(

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 659565)

Typical a couple of brandys n blame the government fer a shop thats been in terminal decline fer many years.:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 659597)

this is proof the present system of feed the shareholder does not work .this is proof of thatcher politics catching up with us as i predicted years ago.you need to create proper infrastructure like investing your profits back into the company not feedin shareholders needs of a certain percentage of profits..i.e living above your means.....its all coming down like pack of cards.....im not making a political point im telling the truth from past experience.ive been made redundant 3 times from the textile industry..every time the company has been bought over by a foreign investment group after the order book..we need a manufacturing industry in this country to create infrastructure social and industrial but thatcher and her cronies got rid of that..

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 659608)

its the political mindset (all parties) that needs to change, otherwise ya may as well whistle dixie.:)

Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 659613)

I had it explained to me the other day - how companies like Woollies go bust.

It's all down to insurance.

Most companies rely on buying things on credit. The companies that supply them take out insurance just in case Woollies can't pay up. That's fine but then if things get a bit shaky the insurance companies won't insure them any more so no one will supply them unless they pay up front.

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 659625)

Gayle that is spot on. Only this week, within my interests, I placed an order on a UK company. I did not ask for credit. the terms were 28 days from invoice...That was the company terms not mine.
I got notification that the goods would not be sent until the invoice was paid in full.
I have no problem with that and I think that the likes of Tesco and Asda should be put under similar rules as the small trader.
I know for a fact that these companies demand, sometimes three and six months credit from small companies who can hardly afford to stand it.
Give the small traders a level playing field and they will prosper.
Instead of Ministers of the Government who are hell bent on making the lives of the British Taxpayer hell by introducing stupid legislation.
Thou shalt not smoke..Thou shalt not be allowed to enjoy yourself. Thou shalt not go out at night for fear of mugging. Thou shall not find a dentist who will take you on....the list goes on and on and still we so gullable to trust and rely on these morons to run our affairs.
I am getting to the end of my four score years and ten but I hope that the new generation of intellegent people take the bull by the horns and show these cretins who are getting money under false pretences prove their worth and work for the people instead of self recognition and self preservation.
I dont know what the answer is....do you? :confused:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 659630)

i agree ,we need a new political force it isnt right/left wing anymore political and social needs have moved on these political leanings are outdated .we need commonsense and learn to know that political correctness or thatcherism doesnt work.we need to be more sociably accountable instead of doing nothing we need to do something......we need to look at the bigger picture ..

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 659632)

Interesting that Woolworths not only survived the Great Depression, but boomed.

Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 659664)

yep , but it would also be interesting to know who Woolworths product suppliers were during those days , i.e. what percentage of the products on sale were manufactured "in country" , made by the eventual consumers , not in some third world sweat shop .

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 659630)

i agree ,we need a new political force it isnt right/left wing anymore political and social needs have moved on these political leanings are outdated .we need commonsense and learn to know that political correctness or thatcherism doesnt work.we need to be more sociably accountable instead of doing nothing we need to do something......we need to look at the bigger picture ..

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 659684)

I'm not saying that everything Thatcher did was right, but she turn this country round from an hopeless bankrupt into a world economic power again

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 659689)

In the short term.

All very well being a service industry country, instead of a manufacturing one, until it becomes cheaper for those services to be supplied elsewhere.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 659705)

The thing is Rindi if this country had carried on the way it was there would have been nothing at all, but a debt ridden wilderness much like i will be when this cosseted clown leaves office, that's after he's "Saved the World" his words not mine

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 659625)

I am getting to the end of my four score years and ten............ /quote]
You are 90 years old? :eek:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 659709)

utter crap, whoever is in power you will be ok. yer like me a surviver.:D

Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 659629)

That was a slip.....of course meant three score years and ten. :o

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 659733)

Shoooooosh cashy I'm only winding Rindi up:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 659737)

You'll need to wind much harder.;)

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 659749)

just come back from Blackburn, went past woollies and some stupid fools(20/30 peeps) where queued up outside, they thought there was a massive sale on, till i stood there laughing at them and told them that the same sale is on that was on last week, they soon dispersed :D

Originally Posted by flashy (Post 659792)

dear uncle cashy, please read again what i wrote lol it was BLACKBURN, its indoors ;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 659689)

In the short term.

All very well being a service industry country, instead of a manufacturing one, until it becomes cheaper for those services to be supplied elsewhere.

Originally Posted by polly (Post 660023)

My answer to the credit crunch would be to stop paying benefits to people who could be working .....................or rather stop paying benefits to people who are not prepared to work for their money.
Businesses of all sizes could expand more easily if they did not have to pay 100% of newly created jobs, so use the benefits that are already being claimed as a baseline wage and let employers, who create new jobs, to top up these benefits to a full wage. This way money that is being spent is spent more wisely, those that want to work get jobs and extra earning and companies get an opportunity to grow.pf course the benefits part of the wage would have to be limited, 6 months sounds reasonable

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 659684)

There was nothing politically correct about Thatcherism and but for Thatcherism this country would a sunk without trace, you forget that we were the sick man of Europe in 1979, when Denis Heally got told to go home and put his own house in order when he went cap in hand to the IMF to bail the Callaghan Government out. I'm not saying that everything Thatcher did was right, but she turn this country round from an hopeless bankrupt into a world economic power again

Originally Posted by polly (Post 660024)

My answer to the credit crunch would be to stop paying benefits to people who could be working .....................or rather stop paying benefits to people who are not prepared to work for their money.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 660035)

no she never she destroyed community spirit,social well being,the manufacturing industry in this country,sold off the family jewels for a quick buck for her cronies,destroyed what infrastructure we had left in this country and we are reaping the consequences now.......may i go on.whats happening now is what ive been telling people for years..la viva the revolution:rolleyes::D

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 660043)

All that may be true but she left No10 a long time ago now. No one has been in a rush to undo her mistakes have they?

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 659921)

Except most of our service sector isn't supplied better elsewhere. You're right though, our economy should be diverse.

Gayle makes a very good point. Credit should be used by business to finance cash flow problems, not cash shortages as it is often used by individuals. When credit is unavailable businesses can and will collapse. That's why it's so important to get credit moving again.

Banks have been allowed to lend, lend, lend, and have built up huge amounts of private debt. The government have spent 7 years borrowing more, more, more. That created a boom, now we have a bust. The governments solution to private sector over borrowing is public sector over borrowing. I don't subscribe to it. Japan did the same in the 90's and it took them over a decade to get out of it. Government borrowing £157bn is going to make our recession longer and deeper, due to far higher taxes in years to come.

What you do about it is a tricky question. My common sense says we need to live within our means, and realise we can't sustain spending in the way that many are accustomed to, as it is simply fuelled by debt. Sustaining what we're accustomed to, by government borrowing hundreds of billions of pounds, is in my opinion wrong. The government should be there to help its citizens yes, but at the same time it has to realise that the economy needs to go back to a sustainable level, so should be careful in the method used to help.

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 660199)

There were many reasons for the decline of or manufacturing industries, no just Thatcher as people like to blame , firstly how many people sit in front of a Japanese computer, watch a Japanese TV, listen to music on Japanese Hi Fi systems, cook on foreign cookers, drive foreign cars, wear foreign made clothes, use foreign mobile phones, the list is endless, and why, because we couldn't compete. Why did our car industry fail, because they got fed up with being held to ransom and just move to other countries were people were glad of a job. Its easy to blame politicians, but the ordinary man in the street should shoulder some of the blame too.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 660214)

So because we couldn't compete, we decided it was better to just content ourselves being a nation of service providers, rather than investing in new hi-tech industries, and educating a workforce who could excel in them?

Rather a shortsighted economic plan, but I suppose it is, when the best idea you could come up with was to sell off the family silver.

For hundreds of years Britain was at the forefront of cutting edge industrial engineering. Now we can answer the phone.

Well we can answer the phone until they train a monkey to do it for a few peanuts, and even those jobs are lost.

Originally Posted by Neil (Post 660043)

All that may be true but she left No10 a long time ago now. No one has been in a rush to undo her mistakes have they?

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 660381)

because rupert murdoch got in there to control the media in this country and brainwashed[dumbed down] the majority..




boycott sky and the rest..

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 660227)

Its not a matter of that Rindi, we can't compete with the Asian nations, who pay ridiculously low wages, that's the whole point, things such as that are out of our control, people in these countries are paid for a weeks work what British workers earn in an hour. Isn't' that what happened to the Cotton Industry, and as you've said you can train a monkey to answer the phone for peanuts and compared to this country people will work for what we call peanuts but to them its a living wage. Why is it that firms like Nike, Timberland and the like, all have their factories in China, Vietnam, Thailand, Bangladesh and Pakistan because the wages are so low.

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 660384)

yep all for a quick buck.we should be making our country self effiecient to help with social coheasion not let it fall down the drain for a quick buck oohhh the times are changin the answers are blowin in the wind:)

Originally Posted by magpie (Post 660689)

is the Accrington store still open:

Originally Posted by cmonstanley (Post 660381)

because rupert murdoch got in there to control the media in this country and brainwashed[dumbed down] the majority..




boycott sky and the rest..

Originally Posted by shillelagh (Post 660727)

BBC NEWS | Business | Woolworths stores set for closure

All the stores will be shut by 5th January with the first stores closing 27th December

Originally Posted by magpie (Post 660775)

it looks really sad now in there such a flipping shame.... if it does close wonder what it will become.... big big big pound shop:

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 660792)

Oxfam shop in Accy is to close - if they can't make a do who can?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 660785)

Seeing its so big maybe it could be a £2 shop:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 660785)

Seeing its so big maybe it could be a £2 shop:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Eric (Post 660807)

Once again you guys are victims of your currency ... we have $1.00 stores .... which means we pay only about 50p for the junk they charge you $2.00 for:eek: ... and just thought I would mention that we are paying about 30p a litre for gasoline:alright::hidewall: ...

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 660860)

Why not move that awful outside market in there and give it some character. Then you have room for a good bus station?

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 660926)

Wouldn't be an outside market then Roy;)

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 660926)

Wouldn't be an outside market then Roy;)

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 660936)

There are no merits attached to being 'outside'
Fleetwood market is mainly undercover in two large connected halls.
It still has stalls like outdoor markets do and is only open on 'market days',
It is reasonable to assume that people prefer to be sheltered when shopping.

Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 660934)

I Ken...................but there would be less cases of frostbite :hothothot

Originally Posted by pipinfort (Post 660970)

That`ll be PriceBusters dave................what a load of tat that was and i`m not sure if it has closed down......:rolleyes: and yes it was an old woolies

Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 660980)

Market charters are archaic laws which enabled the king and aristocracy to levy a charge for a town's right to trade, and are not relevant in the 21st century