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Snowball Incident

What do you all think of this?

Whether or not the lad was innocent or guilty is another matter, but reckon the driver was totally out of order in his actions.
Rishton boy, 12, 'arrested' by motorist after snowball thrown at car (From Lancashire Telegraph)

Comment posted at 5.06pm makes interesting reading though...wonder what Granddad thinks about that??? :eek:

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 657652)

Yes, it is very annoying to have snowballs thrown at your car.

However, surely everybody knows that you can't just go bundling other people's kids into the back of your car and driving away with them. :(

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Nearly put this up myself Caz, just couldn't make my mind up how I felt about it .. :confused:

It was rather controversial to put the lad in the car, and, yes, he would say that it was not him that threw one of the snowballs wouldn't he ?

I have done this myself in Clayton a couple of times. Once on Barnes Square with my grandaughter in the car .. she had her passenger window open, and this gang of about 12 lads hurled one into my car. Hmm messy. I, naturally, saw Red, got out and chased them across the Barnes Square Methodist Church grounds. 'Course couldn't catch them .. not sure what I would have done if I had.

The second time was in Grange Street. Lads sat on the park wall .. again grandaughter in car, bloody furious I can tell you. Stopped car ... few of the cowards ran off. The two that stood their ground refused cockily to give me their name and address, but I managed to get a few choice words in of the dangers of this 'sport'. Not a good result at all really ... so maybe would have been better chucking one of 'em into the back of the car and planting on the doorstep of the Police Station.

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Getting out of the car to confront them is one thing. What this guy did is another.

He possibly didn't have the actual culprit

He doesn't have any evidence anyway

He left himself open to other accusations

If he had injured the child, guilty or innocent he would have been in trouble.

I know how annoying this is, having experience of it in cars, and in lorries

All you can really do is inform the police that it's going on in whatever area. This has gone on for years on end. :mad:

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Amazing how the excuse is its allways someones elses kid and never their own . At least the Police showed a bit of sense , maybe the fact that he had his own child in the car at the time was a factor in not deciding to charge him with kidnapping .

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Had one chucked at me yesterday whilst driving on Harvey Street...must admit i felt like doing what this chap did!! These things are always made to sound like someone is overreacting i know, but what if an accident had been caused, someone could be killed. If the driver had his window down, and it hit him in the face could have caused injury...would it have been classed as an asault then? Its hard to know these PC days what is the right thing to do. Years ago if this had happened, the driver would have got out, given the lad a clip round the ear, asked him where he lived, and told his parents...who probably would then give him another clip from the ear!!...Today that would be regarded as assault, and even having a word with the lads would probably have resulted in more verbal abuse from them!....So perhaps it seems like he overreacted, but we can all relate to his frustration and anger...he did have his young daughter in the car also. So i for one, am not going to be too critical of the chap!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Why didnt the telegraph get in touch with the driver that may have given a balanced view.

I've seen kids chucking snowballs at cars and lorries and buses going past my house ..in fact on tuesday night they chucked one at my house and hit the window and i went out and they were making a pile of snowballs to chuck at the cars they legged it when i shouted at them.

Thing is the kids think that chucking a snowball at a car/lorry/bus is great fun - its soft and wont cause any damage and its a bigger target than their mates back. They dont think that a driver may see a snowball coming out of the corner of his eye and swerve and aim into a wall, bus stop, to avoid it. Could you imagine a lorry swerving on a slippy road, and people walking on the opposite side of the road .... and the lorry cant stop and hit the people ...

Cant make my mind up if he was right to bundle him into the car, but he was right to report it and when the police was talking to the kid why did they not ask him who threw the snowball and then visit him.

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Well for me, a clip round the ear would have been better, but probably would have resulted in the motorist being arrested, it is a joke to say the man should have called it in to the police, he would have had frostbite by the time they turned up, all the unmarked police cars that make mincemeat of motorists should be out on patrol when it snows and drag the little beggars of to court for a heavy fine, maybe then, the parents would give a monkeys what thier little cherubs are up to. The drivers actions were wrong, but I cant say I blame him.

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If this lass got an a* in English, will agree that GSCE's are a fix :-

rishtowner, rishton says...
9:00pm Fri 5 Dec 08
**** you all if your that bothered chek the cctv cameras we would see wht happened den get a life ! have you got nout beta 2 do on friday nite than comment on storys on the internet you can say **** bout ppl online is that ment to make you hard danny is my little brother he is 12 and has never been in trouble his life except from now when he has had a youth refferal of the police for supposedly throwing a " snowball " for a start he was having problems with his asthma at the time when some boys who he was with were throwing snowballs round who nows if it was thrown on purpose but danny ws tking his inhaler and wlking home when the boys ran and the man jumped out the car and grabbed hold of him by his neck drgging him along the ice ANd throwing him into his car there is no prooof it ws my brother danny if he ws a real yob he would hve atlest kicked off but he didnt is this the type of world we live in were any strnger cn assult a child and tke them in there car against there own will with no proof they have done anything wrong !? nd yes i can speel but sumtimes it is easier not 2 . as a matter of fact i hve n a * in english gcse but sumtyms spelling isnt importnt as i dont cre wht you low lifes think of me i only mde this account so i could comment and stick up 4 my brother i no he is innocent and if anyone is bithered enough why dont the police check the cmers as tht will tell who the real criniml is and whoever said danny is going off the rails how hve you got the right to say that the only thing you know bout him is tht he has been accused off throwing a snowball if tht is going off the rils then i dont know wht else 2 say 2 u it wil be wsting my tym as i am not tht sad 2 argue online with ppl i dont know about something i know nothing bout

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Think our dog warden is going to be well embarrassed by the comments made in that column! How many people in Hyndburn knew his son in law was in prison...they do now. :eek: They also know his grand children are semi literate...even if not guilty of throwing snowballs...:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 657688)

Ha haaaaa! If that's true it casts a dark shadow of doubt accross the entire British educational system. :eek:

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Don't touch other peoples kids..Certainly don't put them in your car!! ... Don't condone it or encourage it.. It's simply wrong!

It's not a matter of "in this day and age" .. It's just wrong..

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 657666)

It mighn't be his daughter.

He could have snatched her in Whalley, for throwing snowballs.;)

I'm suprised the man hasn't been charged with abduction. Happy, but suprised.

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 657688)

Yeah, but no, but yeah, but only part of the G.C.S.E. is a written examination, there is also the course work, and the oral examination.:rolleyes::D

YouTube - Vicky Pollard in school

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lets face it if he rang the police he woulda ben waiting hours for them to turn up.

perhaps if the news Paper put 12 year old yob instead of 12 year old boy peoples reactions would have ben a little different

personaly i would have got the kids address and frog marched him to his parents but then again you never know if teh parents would give a damn or wether or not they would attack you these days

maybe it is best to stick to the policy of letting kids get away with everything as it seems to be the only way of keeping the moaning minnies happy

UNTIL SOMTHING HAPPENS TO THEM THAT IS:rolleyes:

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something similar happened to me and Richard coming up Whalley road in Clayton a few weeks back, we had just come through the lights at the Greyhound and two little kids where stood at the bottom of Whinney Hill throwing stones at the cars, i told Richard to stop the car, then i got out...the little kids ran away so fast, they could have caused numerous accidents, we noticed they where doing the same earlier on in the day when we drove down Whalley Road

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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 657724)

I had a plant thrown at mine on blackburn rd...one taken from the councils big plant pot in middle of footpath... stopped car in middle of rd holding up the traffic...but like all kids throwing things.. they ran off.. I dont know what my intention was at the time.. deffo wasnt to grab the kid and put in car..

Seems unnatural that a kid throwing anyhting wouldnt run off to be honest.

I dont advocate letting them get away with it.. just dont touch them ...

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 657688)

Well what can you say to that excuse for English, Shows how thick she is if she writes stuff like that on a newspapers web site, to me its just a load of snowballs

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You've got to be quite intelligent to translate that garbage! Made my Brain hurt reading it!!:eek:

Best Regards - Taggy

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Yes kids throwing snowballs is annoying, but who in their yoof wasn't guilty?

I remember back in the good old days myself and the street urchins I used to hang around with became jolly good at knocking the toff's top hats off and how we laughed if we managed to score a hit on a ladies bustle!

If I had been witness to somebody dragging a child into a car however, I think I would have been on the old mobile ringing the police and giving the car registration, after all these days we just can't be sure what is going on.....
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 657731)

Well what can you say to that excuse for English, Shows how thick she is if she writes stuff like that on a newspapers web site, to me its just a load of snowballs

She will probably fly through the 'a' level english exam, given that fine example of english literature, and then on to university for a degree, the next shakespeare? methinks not! :rolleyes:

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funnily enough a few days ago was driving out of Tottington, when a great lump of ice thrown by 1 of 2 lads hit me side window very hard, was down the hill by checcos,or carmelos ferget name i stopped the car, jumped out n the lads set off running back up the hill, the one who through it, slipped n fell head first into a big black slushy mound at roadside, so cashy just burst out laughing n returned to me car a very happy bunny.:D Poetic Justice i call it.:hehetable

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Originally Posted by derekgas (Post 657764)

She will probably fly through the 'a' level english exam, given that fine example of english literature, and then on to university for a degree, the next shakespeare? methinks not! :rolleyes:

Now I know what Tony Blair meant when he said is three main concerns were Education, Education, Education:D

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 657773)

Didn't somebody once say I just love it when a plan comes together:D

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its even more anoying when the little darlings put stones in the middle of the snow ball :mad:

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Think this post by the sister was absolutely atrocious .. threatening violence .. :eek:

rishtowner, rishton says...
5:06pm Fri 5 Dec 08

i cant wait till mine and dannys dads out of prison new yer day he will sort tht Google Page Ranking*** out if the police rnt

The sister has not done her family any favours here, however, nothing to do with the incident really.

I agree that the victim should not have bundled the lad in the car, but you can't help but having the thought of "Good on ya'". Advice was to restrain him until the police got there .. hummph .. that could have caused more trouble if he had so much as bruised the lad.

Also, the Grandfather is just playing on this and making excuses for him, no mention that he has pulled him in line for what he and his mates did. Well, we don't know really, but a statement to this effect would have been useful. He missed an opportunity to tell the young public how wrong it was.

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Mentioned about that comment in the first post, Katex. Whatever their educational standards are, the fact that their father is in prison, or the fact that this lad just might be the culprit...doesn't make what the guy did right. That's the main issue I think. Would like to see what some people who agreed with him would do if it was their lad in the same position.

Like KP says, you don't touch kids, and you certainly don't bundle them in cars.

And as Less says, who never threw a snowball as a kid?

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 657839)

And as Less says, who never threw a snowball as a kid?

Quite so - but we threw them at each other.

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Some did.....

This has gone on for eons, it's not a new thing is it?

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 657839)

Mentioned about that comment in the first post, Katex.

Whoops Caz .. apologies, so you did.

Trouble is she is turning the public against this lad with her venomous inane comments (and now the friend :rolleyes:).

Yes, we have all thrown snowballs in our time, but only at our mates ... wouldn't have dared try to hit a moving vehicle when I was young .. probably because they could get out and clip yer ear. To me, just as bad as dropping a brick from a motorway bridge onto the carriageway.

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agree children should not be bundled into strangers cars, no question. but to those saying don't touch em, i say crap, against the law or not i would clip em round the lughole if warranted. its simple- the police don't really give a monkeys so neither do i.:(

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I know that Katex, but doesn't alter the "Abduction" issue.

He's lucky no one saw him and gave him a hiding or rang the police

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I heard a point on telly the other night that I thought might be useful.
Why don't all the children's TV stations try and teach, through educational means,the children they are entertaining at the adults expense to show a bit more in the way of good manners and protocol.
Mind you I never let my child watch Grange Hill.Turned out I was Right.:confused::confused:

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I passed a young lass stood in a bus stop loaded and aimed ready for passing cars, not sure if she could lip read but my look at her may have been enough for her to not throw it, but was prepared for her (and yes I would have pulled over and had a good go at her) but if i ever caught my two doing anything like that then I myself would give them a clip round the ear (or a good stern telling off anyway)

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 657855)

I know that Katex, but doesn't alter the "Abduction" issue.

He's lucky no one saw him and gave him a hiding or rang the police

Didn't disagree on this point Caz.

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What would have happend if he chucked the snowball and the drivers window was open and it hit him causing an accident?, ...........:rolleyes:

Little git shouldnt be throwing at oncoming traffic in the first place!

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We all know that Panther....has been said several times. Has been "little gits" about for decades doing this. The reason this became an issue in the paper is because of what the driver did!

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Well yes it was a bit OTT, but i bet it scared the little mongrel!!, though i Would be very angry if it was my kid!

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though i Would be very angry if it was my kid!

About him chucking snowballs, or being bundled into the car? Or both?:)

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And there is always the possibility that this "little git" was innocent, despite the fact his sister is a complete idiot. :)

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Again Caz, this was an interesting post :-

Saythetruth, Rishton says...
3:30pm Fri 5 Dec 08

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Dear Grandad, Your grandson was throwing snowballs on wednesday afternoon at the buses going past near the canal bridge just past Norden school, he seemed to have a very good throw on him. I seen him with his mate, I was walking my dog and I should of got hold of them then.Love to hear your excuse now.

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 657881)

That one deserves an A plus in English.:D:D

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No doubt the lads Headmaster will deal with him (6 of the best) in front of the morning assembly for bringing the school into disrepute ;)

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 657909)

No doubt the lads Headmaster will deal with him (6 of the best) in front of the morning assembly for bringing the school into disrepute ;)

Give us a break Jack,getting our heads round the English this week.
Maths comes much later.:hehetable

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It was wrong to put him in the car and take him to the police station. He is a child after all.

And the fact that his sister is obviously stupid, and his Dad is in prison is not the lads fault.

Don't tar him with the same brush, not his fault.

But if he did throw the snowball then he was in the wrong, and it should be dealt with.

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Originally Posted by forceten (Post 657954)

That might be true forceten, but whats betting that the lad ends up the same, stupid and in prison like his sister and dad:(

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 657994)

That might be true forceten, but whats betting that the lad ends up the same, stupid and in prison like his sister and dad:(

Perhaps he will, but maybe if he sees justice being done, i.e. his abductor facing the full force of the law, he might just have a reason to try to be different from the rest.

What a shame that a young lad has been written off as a "bad 'un", just over a snowball!
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the way some folk are reacting you would think the guy took the kid away in a car and murdered the kid over the tops

the poor bloke took the kid directly to the police station and if my son had done somthing to warrant been taken to the police station my son would be in a whole load of trouble and i would be appologetic to his victim, however if a bloke bundled my son into his car and took him over the tops then i would want this bloke dead but as it stands the bloke took this little thug to the police station and for doing the right thing has now found himself been protrayed as the bad guy and instead of this little thugs family been ashamed of the little thugs actions they show their little darling the way to react when caught doing somthing wrong to someone is to threaten them and kick up enough fuss so that people dont remember what it was exactly that caused all this trouble in teh first place

talk about the victim always coming off worse

its treacherous enough driving in the snow and like others said this bratts actions could have caused injuries or deaths to others

i wonder how people would be reacting if this driver had been forced to swerve and hit a pram with a baby in it

also the child wasnt abducted he was placed under citizens arrest which isnt an illigal act but how far you can go with a citizens arrest i dont know as i am not a solicitor

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Originally Posted by Less (Post 658007)

The Police have already stated that no offence has been commited, the lad was'nt abducted, he was placed under citizens arrest! As such he was taken, under arrest to a Police Station! ..Now maybe it was wrong of the chap to carry it out in this manner, but he did the right thing in bringing it to the attention of the Police. I'm sure this lad will now think twice about the consequences of his actions before throwing things at moving vehicles in future. The Driver too, probably wont act in the same away again either. If any form of action was taken by the Police against the Driver..then surely all thats going to do is re-enforce some teenagers opinion that they can get away with anything!

Best Regards - Taggy

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Don't blame this man at all.......I had a car tyre lobbed at me a few months ago, luckily I was able to swerve out of the way in time.......but if I had got a hold of the little dears I would have been arrested believe me.
Incidentally the kids in question were no more than 9 or 10........says a lot about their upbringing.

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anyone else notice how its the scummy families that kick up fuss about kidnaping , child abuse and threaten retaliation yet a decent family would be applogetic for their childs actions and show some degree of embarrasment or shame regarding their childs actions

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658020)

that says it all.

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658020)

Isn't this just another example of our "Broken Society", as for taring this lad the same as his family Less, unfortunately it is all so true today that the children grow up with the same outlook as their parents, and learn from an early age to sail close to the wind with regards to what is right and what is wrong, if this lad sees his father committing crime, no doubt he will have been told that is Dad is a good guy, but was in the wrong place at the right time and got his collar felt:(

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658020)

Very good point that. If I had not just given you karma for your other one this would have got it.

If the Police say the man did not commit a crime then I don't see what all this abducted rubbish is all about.

The kids throwing snowballs at cars are as bad as the ones who drop things on vehicles on motorways off bridges. Even a snowball can distract a driver enough to cause a fatal crash.

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 657849)

Some did.....

This has gone on for eons, it's not a new thing is it?

And that makes it ok to throw things at cars does it? :confused:

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658020)

Very true. I would most certainly be furious with a child of mine and very apologetic to the victim.

However, all we intelligent people know that you can't bundle other folk's kids into your car these days and expect not to be castigated for it.

I totally understand how angry the man was at that moment , it seems no crime was committed but certainly the fuss was only to be expected.

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i still think the bloke was %100 right in his actions and will go as far as to say we need more people preppared to take action WITHIN the law and seen as this bloke has broken NO law his actions were legal and therefore correct

how many times do we hear people say " we cant punish kids anymore because they know tehir rights" well if this blokes actions show kids that they are not untouchable then hooray for teh bloke

teh man should be given an award for serving the comunity not protrayed as a criminal by the local rag

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I think the majority of the posts from that newspaper are in favour of the driver taking action, several think he was a bit over the top and a few completely wrong. I don't think one person thinks what the kids were doing was ok. The lads parents/grandparent get a slating as well.

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maninasuitcase.com, typicallancstown says...
9:22am Fri 5 Dec 08
I feel that this is disgusting that a young child, irrespective of his alleged actions can be put in the back of a STRANGERS car and then the same organisation (constabualry)that advises us to tell our children to do exactly the opposite, condone what this over reacting teddy throwing abductor has done.
Hypocrits of the highest order.
I feel that this is disgusting that a young child, irrespective of his alleged actions can be put in the back of a STRANGERS car and then the same organisation (constabualry)that advises us to tell our children to do exactly the opposite, condone what this over reacting teddy throwing abductor has done. Hypocrits of the highest order.
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The silver fox, Lammack, Blackburn says...
9:24am Fri 5 Dec 08
very one sided article in favour of the boy if you ask me. What if the snowball had caused the driver to swerve and then have an accident. The story would then have been something like thugs cause accident. Instead, because there was no accident the reporter paints a saintly picture of this lout. No wonder these yobd get away with murder, even the press goes soft on them.
very one sided article in favour of the boy if you ask me. What if the snowball had caused the driver to swerve and then have an accident. The story would then have been something like thugs cause accident. Instead, because there was no accident the reporter paints a saintly picture of this lout. No wonder these yobd get away with murder, even the press goes soft on them.
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Stormcock, Blackburn says...
9:58am Fri 5 Dec 08
What else would you expect from the lad who got caught other than 'It wasn't me, it was those other lads'. He's bound to say that.
If more people took a bit more direct action like the car driver did then it might stop young hooligans doing what they want and thinking they can get away with it.
What else would you expect from the lad who got caught other than 'It wasn't me, it was those other lads'. He's bound to say that. If more people took a bit more direct action like the car driver did then it might stop young hooligans doing what they want and thinking they can get away with it.
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pip pip!, Hyndburn says...
10:08am Fri 5 Dec 08
Don't see why Grandad's getting worked up. I understand he and his employer are happy to use anti terrorist legislation (RIPA)to beardown on local residents who may be in contravention of minor civil infractions.

Snowballing moving cars on a busy main road is not 'fun'. Get a grip,Grandad, clip his ear!
Don't see why Grandad's getting worked up. I understand he and his employer are happy to use anti terrorist legislation (RIPA)to beardown on local residents who may be in contravention of minor civil infractions. Snowballing moving cars on a busy main road is not 'fun'. Get a grip,Grandad, clip his ear!
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jennyyellow, Accrington says...
10:21am Fri 5 Dec 08
I have had to tackle misbehaving kids directly as I think adults should.
But this fella hit a child, and bundled him into a car!!!!
He couldnt have known who threw the snowball - and he overreacted.
I have had to tackle misbehaving kids directly as I think adults should. But this fella hit a child, and bundled him into a car!!!! He couldnt have known who threw the snowball - and he overreacted.
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Blondie, says...
10:33am Fri 5 Dec 08

But this fella hit a child, and bundled him into a car!!!!

He did not hit this boy!! No where does it state he did and there has been no criminal action taken againt the driver or the boy!

Stones inside a snowball are weapons, no wonder the driver was angry.

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But this fella hit a child, and bundled him into a car!!!!

He did not hit this boy!! No where does it state he did and there has been no criminal action taken againt the driver or the boy! Stones inside a snowball are weapons, no wonder the driver was angry.
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Jet, Rishton says...
10:40am Fri 5 Dec 08
This child was snatched off a main road by a stranger.
This week a man was found guilty of the rape and murder of a schoolgirl from Scotland, she was snatched off a road.
This time it was an innocent mistake (we hope),but just think if you see a man bundle a child into a car and speed off what would you do.
Ring the police or just shrug your shoulders and think the kid deserved it and walk on by!
This child was snatched off a main road by a stranger. This week a man was found guilty of the rape and murder of a schoolgirl from Scotland, she was snatched off a road. This time it was an innocent mistake (we hope),but just think if you see a man bundle a child into a car and speed off what would you do. Ring the police or just shrug your shoulders and think the kid deserved it and walk on by!
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loobeylu, nelson says...
11:06am Fri 5 Dec 08
While i dont condone what the driver did by putting the lad in his car which was silly to do,on Tuesday morning at 9.00am on the corner of walton lane pupils from Pendle vale high school nelson proceeded to throw snowballs at passing cars and lorries.A few of the drivers opened the doors to chase them,there was about 20 lads throwing them, can you imagine the accident that would have caused on that roundabout.
Then they shouted racist comment to the drivers as well.
My son is 9 and i hope i have taught him better, even at that young age he knows wrong from right and definatley understands how dangerous it is to throw them at cars.
Maybe this young boys family havent taught him right.His grandad should stop moaning about the driver and learn his grandson some manners and morals.At 12 he should know better.
While i dont condone what the driver did by putting the lad in his car which was silly to do,on Tuesday morning at 9.00am on the corner of walton lane pupils from Pendle vale high school nelson proceeded to throw snowballs at passing cars and lorries.A few of the drivers opened the doors to chase them,there was about 20 lads throwing them, can you imagine the accident that would have caused on that roundabout. Then they shouted racist comment to the drivers as well. My son is 9 and i hope i have taught him better, even at that young age he knows wrong from right and definatley understands how dangerous it is to throw them at cars. Maybe this young boys family havent taught him right.His grandad should stop moaning about the driver and learn his grandson some manners and morals.At 12 he should know better.
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LadyB28, Lancashire says...
11:08am Fri 5 Dec 08
I agree with Blondie! I would of been fuming if I was driving with my 4yrd old daughter in the car and some stupid kid threw a snowball at my car! Its bad enough driving in those conditions let alone someone making it much harder! Would the grandad been as understanding if the driver had to swerve and hit another child or a passer by and killed them! I think not!
However I think he was wrong to put him in his car and take him to the police station but what else could he do! I cant see the police getting there in a hurry and I cant see the boy waiting either!
I agree with Blondie! I would of been fuming if I was driving with my 4yrd old daughter in the car and some stupid kid threw a snowball at my car! Its bad enough driving in those conditions let alone someone making it much harder! Would the grandad been as understanding if the driver had to swerve and hit another child or a passer by and killed them! I think not! However I think he was wrong to put him in his car and take him to the police station but what else could he do! I cant see the police getting there in a hurry and I cant see the boy waiting either!
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reasonable, Darwen says...
11:29am Fri 5 Dec 08
At last someone does something proactive when kids think they can get away with anything. Well done that man.
At last someone does something proactive when kids think they can get away with anything. Well done that man.
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AnthonyUK, Accrington says...
11:30am Fri 5 Dec 08
If the boy caused an accident thru this, would the father still be defending his boy? If he does then Mr.Wood needs a lesson in teaching manners to his children because it sounds to me like he couldn't care or give a monkeys as long as his kid can do whatever he likes knowing the police can't touch him and people who suffer as a result of the misdemeanour risk arrest for punishing the child. Stones/grit packed into snowballs can cause cracking/damage on windscreens and carwindows and the loud crack on the windscreen/window would probably shake up and frighten the driver causing a swerve/possible collision. I would've commended the driver and gave the kid a thick ear as a punishment for joining in antisocial behaviour like this.
If the boy caused an accident thru this, would the father still be defending his boy? If he does then Mr.Wood needs a lesson in teaching manners to his children because it sounds to me like he couldn't care or give a monkeys as long as his kid can do whatever he likes knowing the police can't touch him and people who suffer as a result of the misdemeanour risk arrest for punishing the child. Stones/grit packed into snowballs can cause cracking/damage on windscreens and carwindows and the loud crack on the windscreen/window would probably shake up and frighten the driver causing a swerve/possible collision. I would've commended the driver and gave the kid a thick ear as a punishment for joining in antisocial behaviour like this.
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Jed, Blackburn says...
12:01pm Fri 5 Dec 08
Well done the driver! If more action like this was taken eventually no kids would be bundled into cars because the message would go out as a deterrant. It is not "fun" to throw missiles at moving traffic. The family should thank the driver for teaching their child a valuable lesson whether he threw the snowball or not.
Well done the driver! If more action like this was taken eventually no kids would be bundled into cars because the message would go out as a deterrant. It is not "fun" to throw missiles at moving traffic. The family should thank the driver for teaching their child a valuable lesson whether he threw the snowball or not.
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Ashley R, Oswaldtwistle says...
12:01pm Fri 5 Dec 08
Throwing snowballs at cars is dangerous, it doesn't take another Einstein to figure that that out!
I also think it is about time people stood up to these yobs, it might let them know they wont get away with their stupid actions.

However, bundling anyone, be it child or adult into the back of a car is just as if not more stupid than throwing snowballs at cars! If I saw a fully grown man bundling some scared child into the back of a car your **** right I would be alerting the police!

Its not the correct way to deal with these yobs.
Throwing snowballs at cars is dangerous, it doesn't take another Einstein to figure that that out! I also think it is about time people stood up to these yobs, it might let them know they wont get away with their stupid actions. However, bundling anyone, be it child or adult into the back of a car is just as if not more stupid than throwing snowballs at cars! If I saw a fully grown man bundling some scared child into the back of a car your **** right I would be alerting the police! Its not the correct way to deal with these yobs.
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AnthonyUK, Accrington says...
1:26pm Fri 5 Dec 08
That kid needed to be dealt with directly with direct action;if not his and his friends actions' could have caused an accident at best, and if the driver had swerved into a wall or other oncoming car as a result of this, he could have died. I wouldn't have alerted the police had I seen this I would have left him to do it. Direct action is sometimes the only action to deal with youth scum like this if kind words have no effect whatsoever;if we don't stand up to this and do nothing,the yobs will win(and the police would probably just slap their hands warn them and let them go).
That kid needed to be dealt with directly with direct action;if not his and his friends actions' could have caused an accident at best, and if the driver had swerved into a wall or other oncoming car as a result of this, he could have died. I wouldn't have alerted the police had I seen this I would have left him to do it. Direct action is sometimes the only action to deal with youth scum like this if kind words have no effect whatsoever;if we don't stand up to this and do nothing,the yobs will win(and the police would probably just slap their hands warn them and let them go).
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Jack-son, Burnley says...
2:54pm Fri 5 Dec 08
Well done. Grandfather says nothing for the kids to do in Rishton, well you know what to do, get off your backside and get people together to organise things for them to do. Another alternative is to let the kids use a room in one of their homes to meet rather than be on the street.
Well done. Grandfather says nothing for the kids to do in Rishton, well you know what to do, get off your backside and get people together to organise things for them to do. Another alternative is to let the kids use a room in one of their homes to meet rather than be on the street.
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Haveyoursay1, Rishton says...
3:05pm Fri 5 Dec 08
Come on Grandad,

"It’s not surprising as there is absolutely nothing for kids to do in Rishton.”

Does that mean it is okay for kids to throw weapons at cars then!!!!!! or do what they want in most cases.

The driver could have had a serious accident even killed himself and his daughter or a pedestrian if he had gone off the Road.

It is about time Britain pulled up its socks and took responsibility for its children.

If anyone should have been complaining in the news it should be the driver as he was the victim. Has anyone got the drivers side of the story?

As parent's it is our responsibility to teach our children right from wrong not turn a wrong doing into something it isn't.

Has the driver of the car had an apology, did the boy involved tell his mates not to throw the weapons, did the boy tell the police who his mates are that actually commited the crime?

Oh well as the saying goes got away with it again, really puts out the right message to all the kids that want to throw weapons at drivers, Fireengines, Police cars, Buses and Ambulances.

One last point Mr Wood and Danny, how would you feel today if the driver had crashed his car due to the weapon hitting his car, how would you feel today if lives had been lost? Or how would you have felt if it had been your family in the car and it had crashed.
Come on Grandad, "It’s not surprising as there is absolutely nothing for kids to do in Rishton.” Does that mean it is okay for kids to throw weapons at cars then!!!!!! or do what they want in most cases. The driver could have had a serious accident even killed himself and his daughter or a pedestrian if he had gone off the Road. It is about time Britain pulled up its socks and took responsibility for its children. If anyone should have been complaining in the news it should be the driver as he was the victim. Has anyone got the drivers side of the story? As parent's it is our responsibility to teach our children right from wrong not turn a wrong doing into something it isn't. Has the driver of the car had an apology, did the boy involved tell his mates not to throw the weapons, did the boy tell the police who his mates are that actually commited the crime? Oh well as the saying goes got away with it again, really puts out the right message to all the kids that want to throw weapons at drivers, Fireengines, Police cars, Buses and Ambulances. One last point Mr Wood and Danny, how would you feel today if the driver had crashed his car due to the weapon hitting his car, how would you feel today if lives had been lost? Or how would you have felt if it had been your family in the car and it had crashed.
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AnthonyUK, Accrington says...
3:08pm Fri 5 Dec 08
There may well be nothing to do in Rishton Jack-son but doesn't excuse this sort of behaviour in the least! Mr.Wood should be taking better care of his kids as a parent and keeping an eye on what they do-to defend this as he has done and sit back and do nothing sucks of feeble parenting, I would have clipped him round the ear and grounded him for a good few weeks and commended the driver-parents who don't control their kids and let them get up to things like this without punishment should be punished and their kids locked up.
There may well be nothing to do in Rishton Jack-son but doesn't excuse this sort of behaviour in the least! Mr.Wood should be taking better care of his kids as a parent and keeping an eye on what they do-to defend this as he has done and sit back and do nothing sucks of feeble parenting, I would have clipped him round the ear and grounded him for a good few weeks and commended the driver-parents who don't control their kids and let them get up to things like this without punishment should be punished and their kids locked up.
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john the boss, great harwood says...
3:16pm Fri 5 Dec 08
the poice said the driver should of rung them ,ffs the driver and 12 year old (norden primary school pupil ???) would of died of frost bite with the time it takes the police to turn up ,
the poice said the driver should of rung them ,ffs the driver and 12 year old (norden primary school pupil ???) would of died of frost bite with the time it takes the police to turn up ,
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Saythetruth, Rishton says...
3:30pm Fri 5 Dec 08
Dear Grandad,
Your grandson was throwing snowballs on wednesday afternoon at the buses going past near the canal bridge just past Norden school, he seemed to have a very good throw on him. I seen him with his mate, I was walking my dog and I should of got hold of them then.Love to hear your excuse now.
Dear Grandad, Your grandson was throwing snowballs on wednesday afternoon at the buses going past near the canal bridge just past Norden school, he seemed to have a very good throw on him. I seen him with his mate, I was walking my dog and I should of got hold of them then.Love to hear your excuse now.
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Catweazle-Gary, BLACKBURN says...
3:37pm Fri 5 Dec 08
PITTY it was not 40 years ago the young lad would have got a real good HIDING for just being there!
The driver should have blindfolded the young lad and left him on the Moors where there is lots snow to play with!!!!!
PITTY it was not 40 years ago the young lad would have got a real good HIDING for just being there! The driver should have blindfolded the young lad and left him on the Moors where there is lots snow to play with!!!!!
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rishtowner, rishton says...
4:10pm Fri 5 Dec 08
hes my little brver never been in trouble in his life get a life he happened to be at the wrong plaace at the wrong time that is no excuse to grab him by his neck and throw him into the car tht is bsically abduction he has no right he didnt even see danny throw the snowball which he didnt as he was taking his asthma inhaler so that is why he couldnt run if he was a real yob he would have kicked off aand smshed his windows alone so all you writing them nasty comments you might waant to think aabout wht you put
hes my little brver never been in trouble in his life get a life he happened to be at the wrong plaace at the wrong time that is no excuse to grab him by his neck and throw him into the car tht is bsically abduction he has no right he didnt even see danny throw the snowball which he didnt as he was taking his asthma inhaler so that is why he couldnt run if he was a real yob he would have kicked off aand smshed his windows alone so all you writing them nasty comments you might waant to think aabout wht you put
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rishtowner, rishton says...
4:19pm Fri 5 Dec 08
and yes he did hit him round the hed and drgged him by the collar across the ice how the f*** does this man have the right 2 do this 2 my 12 year old bruva when he has no proof it was him how cud he have thrown it when he was taking his inhaler if he rely was a " yob " or " hoody " he would of atleest tried to escpe from the mans grip alot of other boys his age would hve been violent towrds the man i wish i ws there i for one would have not let him do this to my brother
and yes he did hit him round the hed and drgged him by the collar across the ice how the f*** does this man have the right 2 do this 2 my 12 year old bruva when he has no proof it was him how cud he have thrown it when he was taking his inhaler if he rely was a " yob " or " hoody " he would of atleest tried to escpe from the mans grip alot of other boys his age would hve been violent towrds the man i wish i ws there i for one would have not let him do this to my brother
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The offspring, Blackburn says...
4:37pm Fri 5 Dec 08
I grew up in the the Pringle street area of Blackburn and this article reminds me of two 'old' chaps that lived in the area at that,one was featured in the telegraph a while back he was called mr Ford,the other was mr Jones.I recall as a child how both of them would gladly come out of their houses and would put a stop to any behaviour that they took exception too,they commanded respect;something which is sadly lacking amongst the youth of today!.whislt i agree that the motorist in question shouldnt have put the child into the back of his car i commend him for challenging this anti social behaviour,society needs more peoople like this!
I grew up in the the Pringle street area of Blackburn and this article reminds me of two 'old' chaps that lived in the area at that,one was featured in the telegraph a while back he was called mr Ford,the other was mr Jones.I recall as a child how both of them would gladly come out of their houses and would put a stop to any behaviour that they took exception too,they commanded respect;something which is sadly lacking amongst the youth of today!.whislt i agree that the motorist in question shouldnt have put the child into the back of his car i commend him for challenging this anti social behaviour,society needs more peoople like this!
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rishtowner, rishton says...
5:06pm Fri 5 Dec 08
i cant wait till mine and dannys dads out of prison new yer day he will sort tht Google Page Ranking*** out if the police rnt
i cant wait till mine and dannys dads out of prison new yer day he will sort tht Google Page Ranking*** out if the police rnt
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Stormcock, Blackburn says...
5:24pm Fri 5 Dec 08
So Daddy's in prison is he? Sounds like he'll be straight back in there if he goes to sort 'tht Google Page Ranking***' out. That would be a fine example to set a kid who already seems to be heading off the rails.
As for you, rishtowner, maybe you should pay a bit more attention in your English lessons - you write like a complete numbskull.
So Daddy's in prison is he? Sounds like he'll be straight back in there if he goes to sort 'tht Google Page Ranking***' out. That would be a fine example to set a kid who already seems to be heading off the rails. As for you, rishtowner, maybe you should pay a bit more attention in your English lessons - you write like a complete numbskull.
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suttydog, accrington says...
5:52pm Fri 5 Dec 08
i was born in rishton and there was never anything to do we just played football on botton rec never caused any trouble but if you did u got a thick ear off the men but you didnt go home and tell your parents cause you got a clip round the other ear thats how it should be we respected people and their property ever parents today make excuses for bad behavior they seem to think out of sight out of mind. i do agree the man shouldnt have forced him in his car this day and age you open yourself up to being accused of all sorts
i was born in rishton and there was never anything to do we just played football on botton rec never caused any trouble but if you did u got a thick ear off the men but you didnt go home and tell your parents cause you got a clip round the other ear thats how it should be we respected people and their property ever parents today make excuses for bad behavior they seem to think out of sight out of mind. i do agree the man shouldnt have forced him in his car this day and age you open yourself up to being accused of all sorts
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sengland, great harwood says...
8:01pm Fri 5 Dec 08
haha, danny arested, lmao
haha, danny arested, lmao
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rishtowner, rishton says...
9:00pm Fri 5 Dec 08
**** you all if your that bothered chek the cctv cameras we would see wht happened den get a life ! have you got nout beta 2 do on friday nite than comment on storys on the internet you can say **** bout ppl online is that ment to make you hard danny is my little brother he is 12 and has never been in trouble his life except from now when he has had a youth refferal of the police for supposedly throwing a " snowball " for a start he was having problems with his asthma at the time when some boys who he was with were throwing snowballs round who nows if it was thrown on purpose but danny ws tking his inhaler and wlking home when the boys ran and the man jumped out the car and grabbed hold of him by his neck drgging him along the ice ANd throwing him into his car there is no prooof it ws my brother danny if he ws a real yob he would hve atlest kicked off but he didnt is this the type of world we live in were any strnger cn assult a child and tke them in there car against there own will with no proof they have done anything wrong !? nd yes i can speel but sumtimes it is easier not 2 . as a matter of fact i hve n a * in english gcse but sumtyms spelling isnt importnt as i dont cre wht you low lifes think of me i only mde this account so i could comment and stick up 4 my brother i no he is innocent and if anyone is bithered enough why dont the police check the cmers as tht will tell who the real criniml is and whoever said danny is going off the rails how hve you got the right to say that the only thing you know bout him is tht he has been accused off throwing a snowball if tht is going off the rils then i dont know wht else 2 say 2 u it wil be wsting my tym as i am not tht sad 2 argue online with ppl i dont know about something i know nothing bout
**** you all if your that bothered chek the cctv cameras we would see wht happened den get a life ! have you got nout beta 2 do on friday nite than comment on storys on the internet you can say **** bout ppl online is that ment to make you hard danny is my little brother he is 12 and has never been in trouble his life except from now when he has had a youth refferal of the police for supposedly throwing a " snowball " for a start he was having problems with his asthma at the time when some boys who he was with were throwing snowballs round who nows if it was thrown on purpose but danny ws tking his inhaler and wlking home when the boys ran and the man jumped out the car and grabbed hold of him by his neck drgging him along the ice ANd throwing him into his car there is no prooof it ws my brother danny if he ws a real yob he would hve atlest kicked off but he didnt is this the type of world we live in were any strnger cn assult a child and tke them in there car against there own will with no proof they have done anything wrong !? nd yes i can speel but sumtimes it is easier not 2 . as a matter of fact i hve n a * in english gcse but sumtyms spelling isnt importnt as i dont cre wht you low lifes think of me i only mde this account so i could comment and stick up 4 my brother i no he is innocent and if anyone is bithered enough why dont the police check the cmers as tht will tell who the real criniml is and whoever said danny is going off the rails how hve you got the right to say that the only thing you know bout him is tht he has been accused off throwing a snowball if tht is going off the rils then i dont know wht else 2 say 2 u it wil be wsting my tym as i am not tht sad 2 argue online with ppl i dont know about something i know nothing bout
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Stormcock, Blackburn says...
10:04pm Fri 5 Dec 08
What the hell is this half wit on about?
"nd yes i can speel but sumtimes it is easier not 2"

What a ******.
What the hell is this half wit on about? "nd yes i can speel but sumtimes it is easier not 2" What a ******.
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Ian123xyz, Blackburn says...
11:00pm Fri 5 Dec 08
Well done Mr Driver, although you took a big risk in todays climate. Common sense from the police as well.
Well done Mr Driver, although you took a big risk in todays climate. Common sense from the police as well.
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Anne S, Accrington says...
9:03am Sat 6 Dec 08
"nd yes i can speel but sumtimes it is easier not 2 . as a matter of fact i hve n a * in english gcse but sumtyms spelling isnt importnt as i dont cre wht you low lifes think of me"

Unbelievable!!! If Rishtowner has an A* in English GCSE and still writes like a dimwit then it just shows how ridiculous the education system is nowadays1 I cannot believe that someone can even pass English GCSE who is a complete idiot and has not even the basic concept of English grammar and spelling!!! Maybe you and your little brother should spend more time concentrating on your education -when you are not visiting daddy in prison!
"nd yes i can speel but sumtimes it is easier not 2 . as a matter of fact i hve n a * in english gcse but sumtyms spelling isnt importnt as i dont cre wht you low lifes think of me" Unbelievable!!! If Rishtowner has an A* in English GCSE and still writes like a dimwit then it just shows how ridiculous the education system is nowadays1 I cannot believe that someone can even pass English GCSE who is a complete idiot and has not even the basic concept of English grammar and spelling!!! Maybe you and your little brother should spend more time concentrating on your education -when you are not visiting daddy in prison!
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suttydog, accrington says...
10:08am Sat 6 Dec 08
rishtowner seems you havnt got anything to do on a friday nite now the snow has melted.
rishtowner seems you havnt got anything to do on a friday nite now the snow has melted.
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suttydog, accrington says...
10:14am Sat 6 Dec 08
oh and another thing what would have happened if the driver had swerved and run into either another car or someone walking and killed them who would be at fault.if someone else threw the snowball and he swerved into 1 of your relatives and killed them you would soon be passing blame all you who defended these kids think about that.
oh and another thing what would have happened if the driver had swerved and run into either another car or someone walking and killed them who would be at fault.if someone else threw the snowball and he swerved into 1 of your relatives and killed them you would soon be passing blame all you who defended these kids think about that.
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Tazz360, Rishton says...
11:29am Sat 6 Dec 08
Dear Mr council worker

Totally off the subject here but isn't throwing snowballs at cars more dangerous than accidentally dropping a sweet wrapper out of the car window? Plus it is a form of littering.
Maybe the kid should be fined £50 too hey?
Dear Mr council worker Totally off the subject here but isn't throwing snowballs at cars more dangerous than accidentally dropping a sweet wrapper out of the car window? Plus it is a form of littering. Maybe the kid should be fined £50 too hey?
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sengland, great harwood says...
11:51am Sat 6 Dec 08
why dont you w*****s leave her alone, her dads in prison n u lot r takin the **** out of her, get a life ffs !!
why dont you w*****s leave her alone, her dads in prison n u lot r takin the **** out of her, get a life ffs !!
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arrodchick, Great Harwood says...
1:38pm Sat 6 Dec 08

rishtowner wrote:
i cant wait till mine and dannys dads out of prison new yer day he will sort tht Google Page Ranking*** out if the police rnt

Says it all really doesnt it.

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[p][bold]rishtowner[/bold] wrote: i cant wait till mine and dannys dads out of prison new yer day he will sort tht Google Page Ranking*** out if the police rnt[/p]

Says it all really doesnt it.
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Haveyoursay1, Rishton says...
5:15pm Sat 6 Dec 08
Well what a your say this is turning out to be. We are all trying to have our say, but it appears that certain children don't think we have a right to say. It is a real shame that the children of today know nothing other than swearing or is it ******** staring.

Mr Wood took the decision to publish this article and get himself and Danny in the paper, maybe he should have thought twice about making accusations at the driver. When obviously he has more than enough to deal with at home.

A 12 year old boy gets arrested then the sister shows herself up for the low life she is.

I would have thought it would have been better to have punished the boy for doing wrong in the first place.

I would also suggest a crash course in manners for the sister, just out of curiosity how old are you rishtowner?
Well what a your say this is turning out to be. We are all trying to have our say, but it appears that certain children don't think we have a right to say. It is a real shame that the children of today know nothing other than swearing or is it ******** staring. Mr Wood took the decision to publish this article and get himself and Danny in the paper, maybe he should have thought twice about making accusations at the driver. When obviously he has more than enough to deal with at home. A 12 year old boy gets arrested then the sister shows herself up for the low life she is. I would have thought it would have been better to have punished the boy for doing wrong in the first place. I would also suggest a crash course in manners for the sister, just out of curiosity how old are you rishtowner?
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Linda1963, Blackburn says...
6:21pm Sat 6 Dec 08
It is time people had manners and had a civil conversation rather than dogging children
It is time people had manners and had a civil conversation rather than dogging children
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Accy Lad, The Valley Of The Dammed says...
7:41pm Sat 6 Dec 08
Now then Rishtowner, regardless of the fact that my cat is better at English Grammar then yourself, making threats of violence is a criminal offence. So your brother has been marched to the cop shop and warned, well I have reported your threats to the local police at Great Harwood and they will soon be knocking on your door.

To those tree huggers that are whinging on that this chav is a child, then yo gain an A* in English you have to have left school so they will be of later tennage years. Get your heads out of your back sides and see this as what it is. Lad does worng, gets caught and doesn like it.

As for he couldnt run away because he was using his inhaler. What utter garbage.
Now then Rishtowner, regardless of the fact that my cat is better at English Grammar then yourself, making threats of violence is a criminal offence. So your brother has been marched to the cop shop and warned, well I have reported your threats to the local police at Great Harwood and they will soon be knocking on your door. To those tree huggers that are whinging on that this chav is a child, then yo gain an A* in English you have to have left school so they will be of later tennage years. Get your heads out of your back sides and see this as what it is. Lad does worng, gets caught and doesn like it. As for he couldnt run away because he was using his inhaler. What utter garbage.
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Anne S, Accrington says...
8:22pm Sat 6 Dec 08
Well said Accy Lad
Well said Accy Lad
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Anne S, Accrington says...
8:31pm Sat 6 Dec 08
sengland -maybe if her dad had not broken the law he wouldn't be in prison???? It is not a difficult concept-don't break the law and you won't go to prison! You expect people to be sympathetic to these scummy people -the son is obviously following the father. Don't even mention how dreadful the sister is suggesting what the father will do when he gets out of prison! Amazing they have the same father -sound like a typical benefit family -evreything for nothing and none of them work!!!
sengland -maybe if her dad had not broken the law he wouldn't be in prison???? It is not a difficult concept-don't break the law and you won't go to prison! You expect people to be sympathetic to these scummy people -the son is obviously following the father. Don't even mention how dreadful the sister is suggesting what the father will do when he gets out of prison! Amazing they have the same father -sound like a typical benefit family -evreything for nothing and none of them work!!!
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WillowTheWhisp, Accrington says...
9:02pm Sat 6 Dec 08
Throwing snowballs at cars should be taken very seriously. If a snowball hits the windscreen and obscures the drivers vision he could crash into another car or run over a pedestrian. Kids need to have it drummed into them not to do this. The driver did not over-react.
Throwing snowballs at cars should be taken very seriously. If a snowball hits the windscreen and obscures the drivers vision he could crash into another car or run over a pedestrian. Kids need to have it drummed into them not to do this. The driver did not over-react.
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Not-so-Old Bill, Cumbria says...
10:25pm Sat 6 Dec 08
Rishtowner, your sweet little "brver" is one thing and one thing only. He is scum, just like you. And when daddy sees the light of day after his incarceration, i'm sure he'll be very proud. Not to mention the joke of a grandad of yours, trying to tell people that's it's ok to commit a Section $ Public Order offence, or even criminal damage, cos "there is absolutely nothing for kids to do in Rishton.”

It should be just like the old days... show disrespect, you get a smack in the mouth. If I had done it my day, my feet wouldnt have touched the ground. Therefore I would do it again.

This PC, cotton-wool, scum-loving so called society is a disgrace

Rishtowner, your sweet little "brver" is one thing and one thing only. He is scum, just like you. And when daddy sees the light of day after his incarceration, i'm sure he'll be very proud. Not to mention the joke of a grandad of yours, trying to tell people that's it's ok to commit a Section $ Public Order offence, or even criminal damage, cos "there is absolutely nothing for kids to do in Rishton.” It should be just like the old days... show disrespect, you get a smack in the mouth. If I had done it my day, my feet wouldnt have touched the ground. Therefore I would do it again. This PC, cotton-wool, scum-loving so called society is a disgrace
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Slimplynth, Blackburn says...
10:51pm Sat 6 Dec 08
it wouldn't surprise me if these kids were the same little turds throwing water balloons at passing cars in the summer... I pulled over an reported it to the police but I think they were too busy.

I witnessed a few water balloons go inside the cars through windows that were open due to the stifiling heat. This was happening just outside the Bentley showroom just meters away from a busy junction at rush hour.. someone could have easily been killed in a resulting accident... they're just kids though so why do anything.
it wouldn't surprise me if these kids were the same little turds throwing water balloons at passing cars in the summer... I pulled over an reported it to the police but I think they were too busy. I witnessed a few water balloons go inside the cars through windows that were open due to the stifiling heat. This was happening just outside the Bentley showroom just meters away from a busy junction at rush hour.. someone could have easily been killed in a resulting accident... they're just kids though so why do anything.
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tonto, Rishton says...
11:46am Sun 7 Dec 08
I appauld the driver for having the guts to tackle this yob (yes yob) and take him to the police station. Shame it was a waste of time, the police are pathetic and the law well it's a waste of space too, where's the protection for us good honest folk.

As for grandad he needs to learn some parenting skills, before shooting his mouth, idiot.
I appauld the driver for having the guts to tackle this yob (yes yob) and take him to the police station. Shame it was a waste of time, the police are pathetic and the law well it's a waste of space too, where's the protection for us good honest folk. As for grandad he needs to learn some parenting skills, before shooting his mouth, idiot.
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fuschia, bacup says...
1:44pm Sun 7 Dec 08
It's about time people stood up to these yobs who think it's o.k to intimidate people whatever the outcome of their actions.I take special needs children to school and on wednesday morning our vehicle was bombarded with snowballs from pupils at the school i was going to and they just thought it was hilarious makes you wonder what sort of families they come from

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If there had been a police station in Rishton the motorist would not have needed to bundle the boy into his car, proof we need more local stations and police out on the beat.

If 'child' is old enough to be out on his own then he is old enough to be reprimanded as an adult should he miss behave.

If child is innocent and if he had been mine, I would have been grateful to the motorist for taking him away from the group of delinquents he was with.

The part of the l email that the sister wrought that worries me is where she says she does not care what 'low life' think about her. My interpretation is that she is calling anyone from main stream society (eg those disgusted by boys behaviour) as low life!! Ironic really, but worrying that she seems to disassociate herself from the rest of us.

It also seems very sad to me that someone in a council appointed position is so irresponsible as to seem to condone throwing snowballs at car.

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Originally Posted by polly (Post 658123)

It also seems very sad to me that someone in a council appointed position is so irresponsible as to seem to condone throwing snowballs at car.

Who is in a Council appointed position?

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 658125)

Who is in a Council appointed position?

His grandad is the dog warden

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Originally Posted by polly (Post 658123)

we don't always agree polly, but yer bang on with that.:)

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it just came back to me that if as kids we misbehaved on our way to or on our way home from school we got handed detentions especialy if we were wearing school uniforms or brought a bad light onto the school

i wonder if nordon handed out any punishment

i can remember on a few occasions where the whole of morning assembly was kept behind so that a member of public could do an ID parade and try and spot the kid that threw stones at their window or whatever it was the kid had done

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 658128)

His grandad is the dog warden

He will be a friend of yours then :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 658152)

He will be a friend of yours then :rolleyes:

I met him twice -he seemed a reasonable chap -doing his job with very limited resources

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 658153)

I met him twice -he seemed a reasonable chap -doing his job with very limited resources

I would agree with that, I have met several times myself.

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658011)

the poor bloke took the kid directly to the police station and if my son had done somthing to warrant been taken to the police station my son would be in a whole load of trouble

So if some bloke driving along decided your son had done something wrong.. it would be ok for this bloke/stranger to grab your kid, put him in his car and take him to the police station.

Is that what your saying? At what point would this bloke have told you what he was doing.. at what point of being out looking franticly for your kid would you find out where he was. How quick would he get to the station and how quick would the police know where to contact you... What if your son struggled..

Your saying its OK for any stranger to grab your kid , put them in there car and take them to the police station if they think they have done somehting wrong?

You sure about that?

I agree any right minded person would be apologetic for there kids behaviour.. But to say you would let a stranger take your kid of the street... that beggers belief ..

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Originally Posted by K-P (Post 658156)

Very Well Said!

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Think you should leave the kids to do what they want,you never know when you may need an alibi for manslaughter.

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Originally Posted by K-P (Post 658156)

Hear hear KP & Less. So next time you see a paedophile pushing a kid in his car, he can just tell you lot that agree with this guy's actions, that he's arresting him/her and is taking him to the cop shop for a misdemeanour, you gonna believe him and let him get on with it then?

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 658202)

Don't think anyone agrees with putting the lad in the car.
Kids need discipline and direction.:alright:

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And that makes it ok to throw things at cars does it? :confused:

No Neil it doesn't... did I ever say that?

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Don't think anyone agrees with putting the lad in the car.

A few here do, and the majority in the LET...

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Kids need discipline and direction.:alright:

That is a given :rolleyes:

Just cannot believe that this guy is considered not to have committed an offence.

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When's his sister joining Accy Web?

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 658210)

Just cannot believe that this guy is considered not to have committed an offence.

i aint happy about it caz, but the police obviously were.

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 658210)

Just cannot believe that this guy is considered not to have committed an offence.

He must have made sure the lad was wearing his seatbelt, as they drove off to the station.

:D

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 658205)

Don't think anyone agrees with putting the lad in the car.

eeerm the person I replied to seemed to think it was OK .. hence the reply and the responses to that reply... did you miss a post ?

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The riots in Greece started when police shot dead a 15 year old who had thrown stones at their car.
That, and this local incident, might at least make the young uns think twice about throwing anything at passing cars.

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Originally Posted by K-P (Post 658219)

eeerm the person I replied to seemed to think it was OK .. hence the reply and the responses to that reply... did you miss a post ?

yes i do think it was alright for the guy to put the kid in his car and instead of asking me if i think its ok why not read my previous post where i said i thought it was ok and where i also said that if my son was taken to a police station for commiting a crime against soemone i would be appologetic to him and ashamed that my son had done what he had done then severely talking to my child

the guy hasnt broken any law or he would have been arrsted for it but you namb pamby lot simply cant resist making a mountain out of a mole hill

they guy wasnt a pedophile he was a victim of an attack which could have caused death to the driver or others around him and teh bratt needed seeing to so if bundleing the bratt into teh back of a car and driving him to teh police station was what was needed then so be it

if you dont want your kid bundling into the back of a car and taking to the local police station bring your kid up better

if this had been a 16 year old caught mugging an old lady and the man threw him into the back of his car and took him to the police station there wouldnt be all this fuss infact he would be hailed a hero

if you ever get attacked and choose to sit back and take it then thats your choice but this man decided rightly and within his rihts to take action its just a shame the spinless folk can only muster up critisism

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658229)

yes i do think it was alright for the guy to put the kid in his car and instead of asking me if i think its ok why not read my previous post where i said i thought it was ok and where i also said that if my son was taken to a police station for commiting a crime against soemone i would be appologetic to him and ashamed that my son had done what he had done then severely talking to my child

the guy hasnt broken any law or he would have been arrsted for it but you namb pamby lot simply cant resist making a mountain out of a mole hill

they guy wasnt a pedophile he was a victim of an attack which could have caused death to the driver or others around him and teh bratt needed seeing to so if bundleing the bratt into teh back of a car and driving him to the police station was what was needed then so be it

if you dont want your kid bundling into the back of a car and taking to the local police station bring your kid up better

if this had been a 16 year old caught mugging an old lady and the man threw him into the back of his car and took him to the police station there wouldnt be all this fuss infact he would be hailed a hero

if you ever get attacked and choose to sit back and take it then thats your choice but this man decided rightly and within his rihts to take action its just a shame the spinless folk can only muster up critisism

If the lad had been a sixteen year old I think this guy may just have thought twice about throwing him in the back of the car for any reason, as for mustering up criticism accuman, when you detain anybody and throw them in the back of your car, you may be lucky not to be charged yourself, in fact 'm surprised that this guy wasn't, we hear all to often the victims ending up as the accused

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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 658205)

Don't think anyone agrees with putting the lad in the car.
Kids need discipline and direction.:alright:

Actually, given the circumstances - that the kid was hanging out with a load to delinquents with no social conscience - I think he was better off in the back of a law abiding citizens car being taken to the police station, than continuing to get into trouble on the streets of Rishton. not only was he better off but so was society and less him if his asthma was playing up he was better off in the warm than out in the snow.

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 658253)

citizens arrests are and can be a dodgy ground but from what iv read up on teh guy was within his rights and teh police seem to think so too as he isnt bee charged

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From 1st January 2006 the citizens power of arrest has changed.
This area of law is very complex and the following is only basic guidance. The law states that,

Any person can arrest a person who is in the act of committing an indictable offence or
Anyone whom he reasonably suspects to be committing such an offence, if
- it is not reasonably practicable for a constable to make the arrest instead and
- it is necessary to arrest the person for one of the below reasons,

To prevent the person in question,

- causing physical injury to himself or any other person;
- suffering physical injury;
- causing loss of or damage to property; or
- making off before a constable can assume responsibility for him.

There a few points to raise about the above paragraph.

What is an indictable offence?
How do I know if I can make a citizens arrest?

1. An indictable offence is an offence that can be tried at Crown Court. Below are examples of indictable offences which are the most likely to be encountered by members of the public,

theft
burglary
criminal damage.

2. You can make an arrest if the suspect is actually committing the offence or if you reasonably suspect them of committing it, or when the offence has been committed and you reasonably suspect them of having committed it.
There is no specific wording to use when making a citizens arrest. However you must inform the person you are arresting as soon as possible what you are doing, why you are doing it and what offence you believe the person has committed.
There are other considerations to make when making an arrest,

reasonable force - see question in related information for details on reasonable force.
potential for civil litigation - The courts are sympathetic to public spirited citizens and the exercise of their powers and rights. However, if you get it wrong you could be sued for unlawful arrest and/or false imprisonment.

Do not make a citizens arrest if you feel that you would be putting yourself or any other person in danger, ring 999

the citizens arrest laws can be a little vague in areas and can be used to support either sides argument for or against this man but the police have the final say and they said no offence was commited

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658229)

yes i do think it was alright for the guy to put the kid in his car

Oh well each to his own I guess..

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Originally Posted by K-P (Post 658296)

Oh well each to his own I guess..

I can see both sides of this, I really do know where you are coming from though, I do think it is a bit iffy. I think it would have been safer to detain him and call the Police while keeping the boy in public view at all times.

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the thing that irks me the most is that the bloke is been protrayed as doing a bad thing when he wasnt as far as the law is concerned and the bratt is been protrayed as some helpless victim

im pretty sure there were plenty of people saw this bloke put the kid in his car and these people also probably saw what had happened hence no reports of people chasing after him and reporting a kidnapping

im just glad there are some people left who are willing to stand up to these little yobs that have taken over our streets and not cower away from doing the right thing out of fear of what people might say.

whatever people think about this at least theres one little bratt whos gonna think twice about throwing things at cars and hopefully those that witnessed what happened will now have second thoughts too

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Hang on a minute accyman? who is portraying the kid as some helpless victim? I ahve re read the thread and I dont see it.. please show me where ANYONE is saying ANYTHING like that

I think its wrong for any adult to touch anyone elses kids let alone bundle them into a car.. I also stated that the kid shouldnt be allowed to get away with it and i also stated that like you i think any right minded parent would be mortified and apologetic..

Are you just making things up now to try and justify your post that you think its ok for complete strangers to bundle kids into cars ?

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658343)

im just glad there are some people left who are willing to stand up to these little yobs that have taken over our streets and not cower away from doing the right thing out of fear of what people might say.

that is good, he might have been better detaining him then calling the Police, they must come out quick after explained you have made a citizens arrest on a kid and are detaining them. You would be covered by informing the Police straight away as well.

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Neil.. so you ahve kids and you would let a stranger take one off the street and away without you knowing ? you say you can see both sides.. so is that right..?

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how did he get the kid to stay in the car? or have i missed something?

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Originally Posted by K-P (Post 658354)

Neil.. so you ahve kids and you would let a stranger take one off the street and away without you knowing ? you say you can see both sides.. so is that right..?

Read my last post upwards - that is what I think he should have done. I do think it is a shame most of us are too scared to address kids when they are causing trouble/breaking the law these days.

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Originally Posted by K-P (Post 658349)

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Are you just making things up now to try and justify your post that you think its ok for complete strangers to bundle kids into cars ?

no i am going of what comments i have read both on here and the website of the newspaper where its made out that the guy was kidnapping by some

sory if i cant be bothered putting mass quotes but anyone whos read both sites can see that some people think what this guy did was mortifying and paramount to kidnapping

also i dont need to justify a damn thing, my opinion is just as valid as yours or anyone elses and as a father of a 12 year old boy myself i can look at this and think what if it was my son and conclude that i would be ok with a member of the public taking my son to the police station if he commited such a dangerous act and be rest assured my son would feel the back of my hand and you wouldnt find me running to the local rag crying kidnap

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 658357)

Read my last post upwards - that is what I think he should have done. .

So you dont think he should have bundled the kid in the car and your comment saying you can see both sides was a red herring.

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658358)

no i am going of what comments i have read both on here and the website of the newspaper where its made out that the guy was kidnapping by some

Well I am on accyweb responding to an accyweb messaegoard... I had no idea you where responding to something else.. I just presume the conversation is whats in here..

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658358)

also i dont need to justify a damn thing,

if you accuse people on accyweb of saying somehting when they arnt then you will be asked to justify it... now we find out your talking about other talk away from accyweb ... didnt know you where doing that.. bit confusing... not all of us see these other things...

oh and calm down a bit.. its just a debate about somehting that happened.. no need to get too excited :)

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for gods sake neil jsut agree with im so he can be right because clearly he cant handle the thought of somone having a different opinion to his own:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658362)

for gods sake neil jsut agree with im so he can be right because clearly he cant handle the thought of somone having a different opinion to his own:rolleyes:

neil keeps changing his mind.. trying to agree with everyone haha..

accyman.. its just a messageboard debate... calm down... i will butt out if its upseetting you so much,.... jeeeze :)

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658362)

for gods sake neil jsut agree with im so he can be right because clearly he cant handle the thought of somone having a different opinion to his own:rolleyes:

Seems to me you are the only one getting agitated coz some people disagree with you . :) You may notice he's not on his own with his opinion.

This is a message board and people will state their opinions for as long as they darn well like, as long as they aren't offending anyone :(

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Originally Posted by K-P (Post 658360)

So you dont think he should have bundled the kid in the car and your comment saying you can see both sides was a red herring.

I can see both sides because something needs to be done to stop the anti social behaviour by some young elements of society. I can also see how people would find it hard to accept someone arresting a kid - the car bit was a bit OTT which is why I suggested he should have detained him at the scene and called the Police.

What do you think he should have done?

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Having managed to detain him, I would have put as much snow as possible down his collar,
accompanied by a remark 'since you find snow so much fun - take some home'

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 658369)

I can see both sides

Should man have put boy in car neil... yes or no ... would you let a stranger put.... how old are yours neil ??? are they playing out on there own .. if so how would you feel if one went missing.... even if it was just say half an hr before you found out where they where.. how would you have felt?

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 658369)

What do you think he should have done?

Havent i already answer that by saying exactly what i did when simmilar happened to me... good grief your not one of these that just jumps in without reading it all are you ? :) :)

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sory for not rolling over and playing dead i guess i havnt learned yet that its not wise to have a different opinion from others on here without been accused of having some kind of problem yourself

rest assured the karma comments i have recieved from people regarding this thread have been positive i guess they unlike me have learned not to bother posting a different opinion

who knows if you post a few more pages bitching at me maybe i will conform:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 658373)

wow... its a debate about an incident.. your the only person on accyweb who thinks its ok to grab kids off the street and put them in your car.. so its you we are debating with.... you now think thats people getting at you? give us a break..