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Neil 20-01-2009 13:42

Baxenden girl needs £1,500 to save attacked cat
 
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A TEENAGE girl is fundraising to save her cat’s life after it was targeted in a sickening attack.
Clitheroe Royal Grammar student, Muniza Mehrban, 17, said she needed to collect between £1,500 and £2,000 for an operation on elderly cat Tiddles after he was repeatedly kicked and left for dead in a gutter.......
Now the pet is in constant pain, cannot stand and has to have an expensive operation to repair his pelvis.
Am I being insensitive by thinking that if the cat is in constant pain it would be kindest to put him to sleep? It does not mention how old Tiddles is except to refer to him as elderly.

£2000 is a lot of money to spend on a cat, especially when you don't have the money and the cat is in pain.

I feel for the owners and hope the sick people that hurt the cat are punished but it is the cat the owners should be thinking about now, not themselves.

flashy 20-01-2009 14:04

your right Neil, your not being insensitive, the poor cat sounds like it needs to be put down, yes fair enough the girl loves her cat and no cat should go through that but if its in constant pain now, is it going to be guaranteed a better life after the op?


so that cat will be in pain until the girl raises the money??? thats awful, it could take ages, months even

emzy 20-01-2009 14:07

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 670901)
Here is a link to the story



Am I being insensitive by thinking that if the cat is in constant pain it would be kindest to put him to sleep? It does not mention how old Tiddles is except to refer to him as elderly.

£2000 is a lot of money to spend on a cat, especially when you don't have the money and the cat is in pain.

I feel for the owners and hope the sick people that hurt the cat are punished but it is the cat the owners should be thinking about now, not themselves.


I don't think you are being insensitive really, can understand where youre coming from and it would probably be the most humane thing to do but this obviously is a well loved family pet and they want to do all they can for it. No one wants to lose their pet but sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind

magpie 20-01-2009 14:27

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It would be kinder to put the animal down.... put I am sure someone will more than likely pay the vets bill for her..... crazy:

garinda 20-01-2009 14:53

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Should the cat's age matter, when deciding if it should be given an operation or put down?


What would you say if it had been the girl's granny who'd been attacked?:rolleyes:

Polly_45 20-01-2009 14:56

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I am a huge animal lover and firmly believe its quality of life over quantity.neil you are not being insensitive just realistic,many of us face heart breaking decisions when a much loved pet is ill or in this instance attacked.i do think its far kinder to put any animal to sleep rather than try and keep it alive for my own selfishness.And people are selfish when it comes tol oosing a pet

garinda 20-01-2009 15:00

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Odd how so many animal lovers are happy to have their pets put down when their quality of life is deemed unacceptable, yet there's so little support for human euthanasia.

People are strange animals.

magpie 20-01-2009 15:06

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 670924)
Should the cat's age matter, when deciding if it should be given an operation or put down?


What would you say if it had been the girl's granny who'd been attacked?:rolleyes:


hardly the same thing is it ... that said the cat will get more on the sympathy vote than had it been her Granny: if you can not afford vet bills ( taking into account that this kind of thing can happen ) then you should not have cats....

Less 20-01-2009 15:11

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 670924)
Should the cat's age matter, when deciding if it should be given an operation or put down?


What would you say if it had been the girl's granny who'd been attacked?:rolleyes:

The cat is after all a cat, to compare it to someone's granny is unfair, but there are people that attack and harm both, perhaps in an ideal society we wouldn't have such a discussion, life isn't perfect, so I would choose the granny over the cat any time.

Neil 20-01-2009 16:01

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 670924)
Should the cat's age matter, when deciding if it should be given an operation or put down?

I was thinking of the cat surviving the operation depending on its age.

madmal_1 20-01-2009 16:03

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it would be nice if the vet did the operation free it wouldent cost any where near that

jaysay 20-01-2009 16:15

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We are in a position to decide if a cat is suffering to much to end its pain, I know Joan had to have her dalmation put to sleep a few months ago, the vet said that she would probable live for 3 to 6 months, but would be in great discomfort, even though she thought the world of the dog, she had her put to sleep there and then to save any suffering, the vet also said he would have taken the same decision if it had have been his dog

entwisi 20-01-2009 17:20

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I would and have in the past had to put much loved pets to sleep. I equally support euthanasia. As a biker i always said i would hate to be a vegetable after an accident and would prefer the plug pulling etc. As another said quality of life is what counts.

garinda 20-01-2009 17:30

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 670940)
I was thinking of the cat surviving the operation depending on its age.

I understand what you are saying, but the value we put on the quality of life of pets is very rarely applied to humans in a similar situation, where the sanctity of life is seen as paramount, and existence is usually prolonged as much as possible, despite any suffering, or with a thought to the quality of that person's life.

It just seems all a bit skewed to me.

West Ender 20-01-2009 18:25

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While this family is fund-raising the cat is suffering. It's a very sad position for the family to be in but I think they should put the immediate situation before the possibilities for the future. What if it takes weeks to raise the money? Is the cat to suffer until then?

I'd love to hear what the vet has to say. Is he/she just standing by, waving a scalpel, until they get the money together or is there another side?

I've had to make the final decision for beloved cats and dogs, in my lifetime, losing my 16 year-old bitch Jet just 3 years ago. I know how dreadfully difficult it is but I also know what's right.

MargaretR 20-01-2009 19:04

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The postponement of any action until funds are raised might be considered cruelty by RSPCA standards..... they may intervene.

andrewb 20-01-2009 20:02

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 670927)
Odd how so many animal lovers are happy to have their pets put down when their quality of life is deemed unacceptable, yet there's so little support for human euthanasia.

People are strange animals.

I'm an animal lover, but a cat is a cat. I support euthanasia, not for the same logic however.

garinda 20-01-2009 20:10

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Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 671027)
a cat is a cat.

It's not like you to show so much insight.

:D

Retlaw 20-01-2009 20:33

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How the eck do they reckon on 1500 quid.
Are they calling in Harley St specialists, some of these vets
think they should be living the life style. I'll bet the actual cost
is nearer £100. Rip off Britain again.

Retlaw.

magpie 20-01-2009 20:36

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its a cat for goodness sake .... just put it down and put the money to good use:
( ouch )

steeljack 20-01-2009 21:19

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I can remember the days when many folk kept a dolly-tub in the backyard for such occasions :eek:

:hidewall:

garinda 20-01-2009 23:40

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Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 671052)
I can remember the days when many folk kept a dolly-tub in the backyard for such occasions :eek:

:hidewall:


Is that what was used if you couldn't afford any Dolly Blue?

jaysay 21-01-2009 09:51

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I can remember when I was a lad, the council yard was at the back of our house in Monarch Street Ossy, they had a gas chamber in one of the garages for putting dogs and cats down, thank goodness we've moved on from those days and at least now we can give much loved pets a quick and peaceful end

katex 22-01-2009 17:37

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I hope this young lady does raise the money to treat her cat.

I am sure that the vet would have not offered the operation if she didn't think it would prolong its life without discomfort.

The only thing I find sad about this is that, when you take on a pet of any kind, you have to be prepared for all emergencies that hit your pocket ... they are not cheap toys.

Don't know much about Pet Insurance, but feel everyone should take this out if you wish to be able to meet any costly unexpected veterinary bills .. unless you are sure you will have the finances if any accidents happen in the future. This would keep your pet with you rather than the option of putting it down due to lack of finance.

Polly_45 22-01-2009 20:38

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I do believe a vet cannot refuse treatment to any animal if it is in need,which makes me question why if this operation is urgent hasnt the vet operated and relieved the cat from its pain.
Insurance is a must for any animal these days for cats its something like £4.00 a month dependant on age,for dogs its different depending on breed.

Caz 22-01-2009 20:44

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From personal experience, if an emergency op is needed and the owner asks if it can go ahead, and has limited funds, the vet will come to an arrangement whereby the client can pay by installments, to be paid within a specific time. At least this was my experience with the vets at Clayton.

Who is the vet in this case? anyone know? Surely if the family was willing to clear the debt within a time period the vet would have gone ahead? :confused:

Eric 22-01-2009 21:19

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 670927)
Odd how so many animal lovers are happy to have their pets put down when their quality of life is deemed unacceptable, yet there's so little support for human euthanasia.

People are strange animals.

Agree 100% (or maybe 99.9%) ... esp. on the last comment. I love my animals; they are my friends and companions. And I go to any reasonable lengths to keep them alive and well. But there does come a time .....

If we treated our human relatives with the same love and compassion, it would lessen the fear of that terminal time we all have to face eventually. I have made a "living will"; and I have chosen my closest friend to be the one who will, if I am unable, give the instruction to pull the plug. I am a strong supporter of human euthanasia ... allowing, of course, that legal and ethical safeguards are put in place.

MargaretR 22-01-2009 22:21

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I will never spend my 'old age nest egg' below the sum needed for a one way trip to Switzerland

PS don't care about funeral costs - they can throw the body bag off a mountain to be studied by archeologists in centuries to come

Polly_45 22-01-2009 22:25

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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 671487)
From personal experience, if an emergency op is needed and the owner asks if it can go ahead, and has limited funds, the vet will come to an arrangement whereby the client can pay by installments, to be paid within a specific time. At least this was my experience with the vets at Clayton.

Who is the vet in this case? anyone know? Surely if the family was willing to clear the debt within a time period the vet would have gone ahead? :confused:

I read its Mearlys in Accrington i dont use them so unsure as to what they offer,but i know my vet works alongside the PDSA and anyone not having enough funds is offered a payment plan.

Eric 22-01-2009 23:28

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 671525)
I will never spend my 'old age nest egg' below the sum needed for a one way trip to Switzerland

PS don't care about funeral costs - they can throw the body bag off a mountain to be studied by archeologists in centuries to come

And at the foot of the mountain, some poor sod in tight leather shorts gets creamed by the mortal remains of MargaretR:eek: That should make it into the "National Enquirer" and the "Daily Mirror";):D

cashman 22-01-2009 23:40

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Originally Posted by madmal_1 (Post 670943)
it would be nice if the vet did the operation free it wouldent cost any where near that

true it would not cost anywhere near that, if it was free.:D

Neil 23-01-2009 06:28

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Originally Posted by madmal_1 (Post 670943)
it would be nice if the vet did the operation free it wouldent cost any where near that

And they would still be in business for about a week doing that.

jaysay 23-01-2009 10:25

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Originally Posted by Eric (Post 671543)
And at the foot of the mountain, some poor sod in tight leather shorts gets creamed by the mortal remains of MargaretR:eek: That should make it into the "National Enquirer" and the "Daily Mirror";):D

Might even make the Daily Mail too Eric:D

accyman 25-01-2009 10:26

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put the cat to sleep and buy the girl a goldfish

cat death injection around £30

replacement pet £2

massive credit crunch savings and depending how good you are with a hammer you could save the £30 as well

Retlaw 25-01-2009 12:56

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 672092)
put the cat to sleep and buy the girl a goldfish

cat death injection around £30

replacement pet £2

massive credit crunch savings and depending how good you are with a hammer you could save the £30 as well

One .22 Bullet 10p. Nowt faster, over with in 1000th of a second

Retlaw.

jaysay 26-01-2009 09:54

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Nobody has realised that this cat has rights you know:D

accyman 26-01-2009 11:45

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 672494)
Nobody has realised that this cat has rights you know:D

it has teh right to be replaced by a similar looking cat and the girl told that her cat got better but the medicine made it look a bit different :D

jaysay 26-01-2009 16:12

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 672540)
it has teh right to be replaced by a similar looking cat and the girl told that her cat got better but the medicine made it look a bit different :D

And it changed colour too:D

accyman 26-01-2009 17:49

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hang on a sec jaysay were missing out on somthing here....!

my son also has a cat with a huge medical bill that i cant afford to pay but its going to cost a full £3000 as my sons cat is even more ill than this little girls cat so please donate any money you can so i can bludgen the damn moggy , buy my son a pet that actually demands some looking after and wont be left to foul my neighbours garden and hopefully there will be a few quid left over to buy my self a few pints and drink to peoples guilibilty for funding treatment for a dumb cat that should have had pet insurance if it was loved so much:rolleyes:

flashy 26-01-2009 18:50

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you didnt find the dog then Accyman? ;) lol

muniza 15-02-2009 19:08

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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 670907)
your right Neil, your not being insensitive, the poor cat sounds like it needs to be put down, yes fair enough the girl loves her cat and no cat should go through that but if its in constant pain now, is it going to be guaranteed a better life after the op?


so that cat will be in pain until the girl raises the money??? thats awful, it could take ages, months even


For your information the cat wasnt in constant pain at that time, he was on medication. When a human being is prescribed drugs we dont quickly put them down do we?? some people are so selfish!!!

panther 15-02-2009 19:09

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:eek:. we dont put humans down:eek:...its ilegal!!

muniza 15-02-2009 19:12

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 672679)
hang on a sec jaysay were missing out on somthing here....!

my son also has a cat with a huge medical bill that i cant afford to pay but its going to cost a full £3000 as my sons cat is even more ill than this little girls cat so please donate any money you can so i can bludgen the damn moggy , buy my son a pet that actually demands some looking after and wont be left to foul my neighbours garden and hopefully there will be a few quid left over to buy my self a few pints and drink to peoples guilibilty for funding treatment for a dumb cat that should have had pet insurance if it was loved so much:rolleyes:



thats so immature! its people like this that let society down!! we have the NHS to take care of us, what do animals have?? the cat was dumped on me and i cared enough to look after him.its not my fault people are so vicious. humans can be idiots, as demonstrated here, animals are not, perhaps we should value them over selfish "dumb" people!

muniza 15-02-2009 19:14

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 680577)
:eek:. we dont put humans down:eek:...its ilegal!!


exactly!!!

panther 15-02-2009 19:18

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I think you have just started to dig yourself a hole!!......:(

muniza 15-02-2009 19:21

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 680583)
I think you have just started to dig yourself a hole!!......:(


why do you say that

muniza 15-02-2009 19:34

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Originally Posted by panther (Post 680583)
I think you have just started to dig yourself a hole!!......:(


i disagree

Neil 15-02-2009 20:17

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Originally Posted by muniza (Post 680574)
For your information the cat wasnt in constant pain at that time, he was on medication. When a human being is prescribed drugs we dont quickly put them down do we?? some people are so selfish!!!

Are you the owner of the cat?

Welcome to AccyWeb by the way.

katex 15-02-2009 20:43

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 680610)
Are you the owner of the cat?

Think so Neil ..unusual name.

Did you not read the Observer this week, unfortunately, the poor little thing had to be put down.. operation a success, but the patient died sort of situation.

Sorry Muniza... x

accyman 16-02-2009 01:49

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Originally Posted by muniza (Post 680579)
thats so immature! its people like this that let society down!! we have the NHS to take care of us, what do animals have?? the cat was dumped on me and i cared enough to look after him.its not my fault people are so vicious. humans can be idiots, as demonstrated here, animals are not, perhaps we should value them over selfish "dumb" people!

people like me let society down ?

well iv raised money for cancer research and darian house in the last year alone so if people like me give our time for WORTHY causes and not WASTE money on some verminous cat because its owner seems to think its everyone elses duty to pay her vet bill then im glad to be one of those lettin society down

dont wory though theres plenty of half brained idiots like yourself out there that will feel sympathy for your cat and put their hands in their pockets for the scrounger with an ill pet:rolleyes:

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just noticed its dead

good

Neil 16-02-2009 02:10

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 680704)
people like me let society down ?

well iv raised money for cancer research and darian house in the last year alone so if people like me give our time for WORTHY causes and not WASTE money on some verminous cat because its owner seems to think its everyone elses duty to pay her vet bill then im glad to be one of those lettin society down

dont wory though theres plenty of half brained idiots like yourself out there that will feel sympathy for your cat and put their hands in their pockets for the scrounger with an ill pet:rolleyes:

edit:

just noticed its dead

good

I always thought you were a big fan of pussy

accyman 16-02-2009 04:25

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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 680705)
I always thought you were a big fan of pussy

not of the kind that needs medical attention :eek:

Neil 16-02-2009 04:45

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Originally Posted by accyman (Post 680708)
not of the kind that needs medical attention :eek:

I think that is a matter of opinion :rolleyes::D:p

cashman 16-02-2009 07:48

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seems to me that munizas letting pity override common sense.:rolleyes:

garinda 16-02-2009 08:21

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Originally Posted by muniza (Post 680579)
people are so vicious....animals are not

Er...you could try asking the parents of the baby killed by two dogs last week if they agree with your view.

garinda 16-02-2009 08:28

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By the way welcome to Accy Web, and I'm sorry your cat didn't survive.

Humans are no different from other animals, some are vicous, and some aren't.

That's all that was meant by my previous post.

Polly_45 16-02-2009 20:33

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Originally Posted by muniza (Post 680574)
For your information the cat wasnt in constant pain at that time, he was on medication. When a human being is prescribed drugs we dont quickly put them down do we?? some people are so selfish!!!

As a huge animal lover myself i find your comment rather rude.Some people are very selfish! yes they are and you know why its because they fear the pain and loss of loosing a much loved family pet all to much.selfish in not knowing its time to kindly let your pet be put out of its pain and be Euthenized its the last gift we can do for them,we cannot do this for humans who are far to poorly to carry on.
I know the costs of owning a sick animal vets are not cheap im lucky mine are insured,i like my animals to have quality of life and if the quality is no longer there well im afraid its time to be brave and say goodbye.
People say oh its only a dog/cat yes it is to them.to me they are my world but if i cannot aford to pay a vet bill i cannot afford to keep a animal

jaysay 17-02-2009 09:31

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Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 681057)
As a huge animal lover myself i find your comment rather rude.Some people are very selfish! yes they are and you know why its because they fear the pain and loss of loosing a much loved family pet all to much.selfish in not knowing its time to kindly let your pet be put out of its pain and be Euthenized its the last gift we can do for them,we cannot do this for humans who are far to poorly to carry on.
I know the costs of owning a sick animal vets are not cheap im lucky mine are insured,i like my animals to have quality of life and if the quality is no longer there well im afraid its time to be brave and say goodbye.
People say oh its only a dog/cat yes it is to them.to me they are my world but if i cannot aford to pay a vet bill i cannot afford to keep a animal

I agree with every thing you've said Polly, just before Christmas my other half had to have her Dalmatian put to sleep, the poor thing had developed an incurable kidney disease. The vet said that she would only have a few months to live and that it wouldn't be a very pleasant time, so she had her put to sleep there and then, even though it was heartbreaking. The vet said that she had made the correct decision as in the same circumstances he would have done the same

rucksackman 18-02-2009 18:57

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 680620)
Think so Neil ..unusual name.

Did you not read the Observer this week, unfortunately, the poor little thing had to be put down.. operation a success, but the patient died sort of situation.

Sorry Muniza... x

unfortunately tiddles had nerve damage around his bladder and a ruptured urethra which the vets initially failed to notice..so regardless of the hip being successfully operated on, he had to be put to sleep. 'Muniza' unusual name? obviously its unusual because its not david, mark, paul,anne,sue or rebecca. maybe we should ask her to change it by deed to something more common like...Bin laden?

katex 18-02-2009 19:05

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682000)
'Muniza' unusual name? obviously its unusual because its not david, mark, paul,anne,sue or rebecca. maybe we should ask her to change it by deed to something more common like...Bin laden?

Rucksackman ... no offence meant by this remark; can't understand where you are coming from here. Was just trying to establish that this was the lady who owned the cat that is all... :confused:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:15

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 680714)
seems to me that munizas letting pity override common sense.:rolleyes:

seems to me she got off her backside and did something with purpose, with the right intention, which is contrary to what a lot of young men and women of her age group get upto..i.e going out,getting drunk,locking lips with the first like minded individual they see (or multiple like minded people in the same evening, and repeating the exercise the following week. i wouldnt suggest that its not all individuals around her age..just the majority.

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:18

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 680718)
Er...you could try asking the parents of the baby killed by two dogs last week if they agree with your view.

Garinda..your comment is out of context..the subject of this discussion is a cat. If you cant diffrentiate between a cat and a dog (taking into consideration the various breeds of dog), maybe best you ask mama and papa what the difference between woof woof and meeow is.

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:21

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 680721)
By the way welcome to Accy Web, and I'm sorry your cat didn't survive.

Humans are no different from other animals, some are vicous, and some aren't.

That's all that was meant by my previous post.

it concerns me you have the outlook that humans are no diffrent to animals?? major concern this, mama and papa, its time to ring social services..something has gone seriously wrong!!!!

emamum 18-02-2009 19:24

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why doesnt anyone know how to MULTI-QUOTE!!!!!

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:33

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Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 681057)
As a huge animal lover myself i find your comment rather rude.Some people are very selfish! yes they are and you know why its because they fear the pain and loss of loosing a much loved family pet all to much.selfish in not knowing its time to kindly let your pet be put out of its pain and be Euthenized its the last gift we can do for them,we cannot do this for humans who are far to poorly to carry on.
I know the costs of owning a sick animal vets are not cheap im lucky mine are insured,i like my animals to have quality of life and if the quality is no longer there well im afraid its time to be brave and say goodbye.
People say oh its only a dog/cat yes it is to them.to me they are my world but if i cannot aford to pay a vet bill i cannot afford to keep a animal


dear polly the animal lover (have to be careful their..that statement can be misconstrued and you wouldnt want the police knocking at your door!!) the initial diagnosis at the vets was that the hip was badly broken, the nerves were intact..hence it was a matter of reconstructing the hip.unfortunately..muniza was foolish in taking the vets word for this and should just have asked tiddles to be put to sleep..obviously the best course of action, just kill the cat, its what he would have wanted? infortunately as a student in full time education..she decided it would be the best course of action based on this prognosis to try and raise money for an operation. true, shes at fault having not had a policy of pet insurance in place..as before its a matter of individuals casting judgement and making comments without establishing the facts. muniza was 10 yearsold when she took the cat in..hindsight is a wonderful thing..but through the years the cat was well looked after until its demise. the lesson of pet insurance has been learnt..but dont criticise someones belief or action when they do their hardest to preserve a life, even a cat one at that, when the professsional advice given is that it is a simple matter of an operation and letting father time work his magic.

cashman 18-02-2009 19:35

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682018)
dear accyman.

can i first say i salute u,having raised money for 2 charities last year. well done you, you ignorant, arrogant,narrow minded and pea brained individual. i would suggest in the future you establish the facts before you pass comment or make judgemment. unfortunately, not all 10 year olds are aware of the ins and outs of pet insurance. I would suggest its the intention which is what counts..having looked after a cat from the age of 10,which was deserted by his owners she took the wrong course of action having cared and looked after it over a course of 7 years. Instead of raising awareness of cruelty to animals and donating the proceeds to animal charities who look after pets which have been mistreated or abused..after her cat died..maybe she should go down to her local, get smashed and suggest its what he would have wanted followed by a night on the tiles? i pity you..rucksack man says i leave you my rucksack which goes boom boom! because i for one shant miss your drivel x

you come on here with an e-mail address like yours n call accyman ignorant etc n pea brained etc, i'm sure people that lost families n relatives think yer really intelligent n thoughtful, :rolleyes:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 681283)
I agree with every thing you've said Polly, just before Christmas my other half had to have her Dalmatian put to sleep, the poor thing had developed an incurable kidney disease. The vet said that she would only have a few months to live and that it wouldn't be a very pleasant time, so she had her put to sleep there and then, even though it was heartbreaking. The vet said that she had made the correct decision as in the same circumstances he would have done the same


jaysay the lemming, please read the reply to polly. Advice: establish fact, then come to a conclusion. Vets initially suggested no nerve or organ damage, just a very bad break of the hip which could be rectified via cage rest or if possible an operation.:theband:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:44

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 682045)
you come on here with an e-mail address like yours n call accyman ignorant etc n pea brained etc, i'm sure people that lost families n relatives think yer really intelligent n thoughtful, :rolleyes:

Have i rattled your cage? if you make an ass um ption, you make an ass out of yourself. establish fact my boy:theband:

cashman 18-02-2009 19:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682053)
Have i rattled your cage? if you make an ass um ption, you make an ass out of yourself. establish fact my boy:theband:

i have n you are a prat

Royboy39 18-02-2009 19:47

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682053)
Have i rattled your cage? if you make an ass um ption, you make an ass out of yourself. establish fact my boy:theband:

Can't see you lasting long on here cherub. :eek:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:54

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 680620)
Think so Neil ..unusual name.

Did you not read the Observer this week, unfortunately, the poor little thing had to be put down.. operation a success, but the patient died sort of situation.

Sorry Muniza... x

pardon me..it maybe i need a visit to specsavers..or u did indeed make the comment above (ive put it in bold the kind individual that i am) . i was taught at school..unusual is something which is not the norm..maybe something diffrent. My comment was in relation to that wee highlighted bit at the top:eek: if you still cant see it, please advise me, i shall increase the font size further.:theband:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:54

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 682055)
Can't see you lasting long on here cherub. :eek:


not my intention sweetheart x:cool:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 19:56

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 682054)
i have n you are a prat

another assumption. Never mind, must have attended retard school:dummy:

garinda 18-02-2009 19:58

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682029)
Garinda..your comment is out of context..the subject of this discussion is a cat. If you cant diffrentiate between a cat and a dog (taking into consideration the various breeds of dog), maybe best you ask mama and papa what the difference between woof woof and meeow is.

The thread is about a cat, my comments were in reply to someone who mentioned pets, i.e. non-species specific.

I have no great desire to debate the point with you, as the threats of violence you've made to a member of this forum are against it's rules, and will most probably result in a permenant ban.

Suicide bombings aren't at all amusing, as I'm sure the family of the Oswaldtwistle woman who died in the 7/7 bombings will tell you.

Goodbye.

garinda 18-02-2009 20:02

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I do hope it's not the poor sap's brother, as otherwise the standard of education is woefully failing, and certainly isn't worth the bus fare to Clitheroe.

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:03

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it appears to me that we have a lot of narrow minded bigots writing on these pages who are quick to criticise and make negative comments when they havn't, as i a have pointed out several times, established the facts. Arrogance and ignorance..i bid thee farewell.

Polly_45 18-02-2009 20:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682041)
dear polly the animal lover (have to be careful their..that statement can be misconstrued and you wouldnt want the police knocking at your door!!) the initial diagnosis at the vets was that the hip was badly broken, the nerves were intact..hence it was a matter of reconstructing the hip.unfortunately..muniza was foolish in taking the vets word for this and should just have asked tiddles to be put to sleep..obviously the best course of action, just kill the cat, its what he would have wanted? infortunately as a student in full time education..she decided it would be the best course of action based on this prognosis to try and raise money for an operation. true, shes at fault having not had a policy of pet insurance in place..as before its a matter of individuals casting judgement and making comments without establishing the facts. muniza was 10 yearsold when she took the cat in..hindsight is a wonderful thing..but through the years the cat was well looked after until its demise. the lesson of pet insurance has been learnt..but dont criticise someones belief or action when they do their hardest to preserve a life, even a cat one at that, when the professsional advice given is that it is a simple matter of an operation and letting father time work his magic.

How dare you mis read my post:eek: Yes i love animals and i aint ashamed to say this.I certainly wouldnt see one suffer.I wasnt casting judgement on the insurance policy albeit she is/was a student you should still have something in place for any emergency if you own any animal.
As for the prognosis i had a 10wk old pup that broke his leg in two places and also fractured his hip not by any mistreatment from a human just playing out with his mum.I know to well what a fracture can do to a animal and shock soon sets in.I had a marvellous vet who tended to my pup but he made it pretty darn clear that until he saw the actual breaks he wasnt sure if he could save my pups leg,I know a dog will adjust to being on three legs but at 10wks old it was a lot to put my boy through so i told the vet if it was a matter of amputation i would prefer to let me pup go,a harsh decision but one i chose.my pup survived after intensive surgery and lots of expense and months wearing different pins to support his injury.Ive just lost two girls to cancer and let me tell you we tried everything in our power to save them,but at the end of the day none of my animals will be kept alive if they need medication.You think what you want of me but i dont go asking for charity.my animals my responsibiity.
that backpak you wearing it wants shoving somewhere as you are one rude person

Royboy39 18-02-2009 20:06

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682069)
it appears to me that we have a lot of narrow minded bigots writing on these pages who are quick to criticise and make negative comments when they havn't, as i a have pointed out several times, established the facts. Arrogance and ignorance..i bid thee farewell.

Who the hell was that? :rolleyes:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:09

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682068)
I do hope it's not the poor sap's brother, as otherwise the standard of education is woefully failing, and certainly isn't worth the bus fare to Clitheroe.

Poor sap? im a friend and the comments made on these pages from an 'unusual name' to others relating to her actions amount to nothing more than bullying. there have been no threats of violence made..you obviously have trouble graspingthe basics of the english language..must be learning difficulties. Never mind.

Polly_45 18-02-2009 20:13

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 682072)
Who the hell was that? :rolleyes:

Someone who crept in whilst the door was open:rolleyes:

Royboy39 18-02-2009 20:15

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682074)
Poor sap? im a friend and the comments made on these pages from an 'unusual name' to others relating to her actions amount to nothing more than bullying. there have been no threats of violence made..you obviously have trouble graspingthe basics of the english language..must be learning difficulties. Never mind.

Carry on 'Ding Dong' I think you have met your match.

katex 18-02-2009 20:15

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682074)
Poor sap? im a friend and the comments made on these pages from an 'unusual name' to others relating to her actions amount to nothing more than bullying. there have been no threats of violence made..you obviously have trouble graspingthe basics of the english language..must be learning difficulties. Never mind.

Just think you are seeking out some form of racialism here Rucksackman ... paranoid schizophrenia if ever I saw it .. .just go away please.

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 682071)
How dare you mis read my post:eek: Yes i love animals and i aint ashamed to say this.I certainly wouldnt see one suffer.I wasnt casting judgement on the insurance policy albeit she is/was a student you should still have something in place for any emergency if you own any animal.
As for the prognosis i had a 10wk old pup that broke his leg in two places and also fractured his hip not by any mistreatment from a human just playing out with his mum.I know to well what a fracture can do to a animal and shock soon sets in.I had a marvellous vet who tended to my pup but he made it pretty darn clear that until he saw the actual breaks he wasnt sure if he could save my pups leg,I know a dog will adjust to being on three legs but at 10wks old it was a lot to put my boy through so i told the vet if it was a matter of amputation i would prefer to let me pup go,a harsh decision but one i chose.my pup survived after intensive surgery and lots of expense and months wearing different pins to support his injury.Ive just lost two girls to cancer and let me tell you we tried everything in our power to save them,but at the end of the day none of my animals will be kept alive if they need medication.You think what you want of me but i dont go asking for charity.my animals my responsibiity.
that backpak you wearing it wants shoving somewhere as you are one rude person


my sincerest condolences in relation to the family you have lost. This however is no justifiaction for violence. Im not a doctor or a vet. The vets advice was taken until the cat was taken to another vets who highlighted potential problems Its partly as result of charity and people having the heart to give that the charitys do so well. i know because i have raised money for cancer charitys in the past. As for 3 legs.. cats commonly adapt to life with three legs..again vet advice..and not my prognosis

garinda 18-02-2009 20:19

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682018)
rucksack man says i leave you my rucksack which goes boom boom! because i for one shant miss your drivel x

A supposed animal lover who thinks veiled threats of violence, by suicide bombing no less, are perfectly acceptable.

Sick.

Perhaps if your little friend hadn't gone to the papers with her tale, the matter wouldn't have been discussed on a public forum.

Simple really...quite literally.

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:21

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682089)
A supposed animal lover who thinks veiled threats of violence, by suicide bombing no less, are perfectly acceptable.

Sick.

Perhaps if your little friend hadn't gone to the papers with her tale, the matter wouldn't have been discussed on a public forum.

Simple really...quite literally.


Nothing wrong with a discussion if its constructive, balanced and informative. Some of the drivel ive read on here..its not worthy of the status of forum. Drivel driven by ignorant bullying.

garinda 18-02-2009 20:22

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682088)
Im not a doctor or a vet.

No way!

You don't say.

That's quite a shock for us.

You come across as being so intelligent and caring.

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:23

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Originally Posted by katex (Post 682084)
Just think you are seeking out some form of racialism here Rucksackman ... paranoid schizophrenia if ever I saw it .. .just go away please.

racialism? your suggestion not mine.

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:24

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682094)
No way!

You don't say.

That's quite a shock for us.

You come across as being so intelligent and caring.


im not here to conform to this nonsense.

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:26

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Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 682079)
Someone who crept in whilst the door was open:rolleyes:

nay, that be a burglar and i am not thee:D

Royboy39 18-02-2009 20:27

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Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682097)
im not here to conform to this nonsense.

Well pull your horns in and retire gracefully. :theband:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:27

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 682083)
Carry on 'Ding Dong' I think you have met your match.

i am not here to meet anyone thankyou. least of all my match.:mosher:

Polly_45 18-02-2009 20:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682088)
my sincerest condolences in relation to the family you have lost. This however is no justifiaction for violence. Im not a doctor or a vet. The vets advice was taken until the cat was taken to another vets who highlighted potential problems Its partly as result of charity and people having the heart to give that the charitys do so well. i know because i have raised money for cancer charitys in the past. As for 3 legs.. cats commonly adapt to life with three legs..again vet advice..and not my prognosis

All animals can and will adapt to three legs im not disputing this,but i was told that he may of needed it amputated and at 10wks old weighing 15kilos no great bother but his adult weight of 35kilos plus might of interefered with his quality of life.and one i wasnt willing to risk.
Im presuming here the first vet didnt do a complete and thorough xray of the cat to verify the full nature of its injuries? isnt that negligence or was you refered to a animal hospital similar to Rutland house where they specialise in specific injuries.I hope now after all this you have changed your vet cos i know i wouldnt be wanting to trust them.
I do believe that the RSPCA will help towards vet fees if owner is struggling another route i would of gone down rather than the newspaper

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:29

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Originally Posted by Royboy39 (Post 682101)
Well pull your horns in and retire gracefully. :theband:

retire? for one evening only..u may continue your mundane bullying once i leave:theband:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:35

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Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 682103)
All animals can and will adapt to three legs im not disputing this,but i was told that he may of needed it amputated and at 10wks old weighing 15kilos no great bother but his adult weight of 35kilos plus might of interefered with his quality of life.and one i wasnt willing to risk.
Im presuming here the first vet didnt do a complete and thorough xray of the cat to verify the full nature of its injuries? isnt that negligence or was you refered to a animal hospital similar to Rutland house where they specialise in specific injuries.I hope now after all this you have changed your vet cos i know i wouldnt be wanting to trust them.
I do believe that the RSPCA will help towards vet fees if owner is struggling another route i would of gone down rather than the newspaper

dear polly,

the initial vets approach concerned my frend that there was an underlying econmical issue for them. The fees started at 500 and within a 5 days had reached around 2000. the vets were changed and a the professionalism and integrity of the nurses and vets at the second establishment were above par. Whilst at the vets, my friend saw many animals in pain..some abuseed, some without owners with horrifuic injuries..hence the aim to raise money for the operation, and the rest of the money raised to be donated to the rspca and other reputable animal charities. Taking gracefully is one aspect..but its better when you can also give something back.

garinda 18-02-2009 20:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682097)
im not here to conform to this nonsense.

No, you say you've come to defend your so called friend...defend from what, we are sadly still in the dark.

Wish her all the best when it comes to raising money from the general public, her aim being reported in the local press, so that she can pay for the vet's bill.

You've done a great job rising public awareness for her cause, and I'm sure that people will now be very willing to dig deep into their pockets to help her.

Jolly well done.

katex 18-02-2009 20:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682095)
racialism? your suggestion not mine.

Well, what exactly did you think I meant then by my remark about her name? :confused:

rucksackman 18-02-2009 20:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 682118)
No, you say you've come to defend your so called friend...defend from what, we are sadly still in the dark.

Wish her all the best when it comes to raising money from the general public, her aim being reported in the local press, so that she can pay for the vet's bill.

You've done a great job rising public awareness for her cause, and I'm sure that people will now be very willing to dig deep into their pockets to help her.

Jolly well done.

ta v.much:mosher:

Polly_45 18-02-2009 20:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by rucksackman (Post 682116)
dear polly,

the initial vets approach concerned my frend that there was an underlying econmical issue for them. The fees started at 500 and within a 5 days had reached around 2000. the vets were changed and a the professionalism and integrity of the nurses and vets at the second establishment were above par. Whilst at the vets, my friend saw many animals in pain..some abuseed, some without owners with horrifuic injuries..hence the aim to raise money for the operation, and the rest of the money raised to be donated to the rspca and other reputable animal charities. Taking gracefully is one aspect..but its better when you can also give something back.

It is far better to give than recieve and im only to sure that the RSPCA would be so pleased with any donation little or small,lets see they have 147 animal centres about 10 animal hospitals so any donation they recieve they will use to best of their will.They have a clinic in manchester where they see umpteen animals a day whose owners are either on benefits or simply just cannot pay for their pets treatment all you do is give a donation which i think stands at anything over £35.00,People cannot and should not rely on a charity to put their pet back to good health.i hope if your friend has obtained another cat that there is some kind of insurance in place not only for its health but in case it causes a acciden as public liability claims are not cheap,better to be safe than sorry

cashman 18-02-2009 21:51

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seems mummies told him its bedtime.:rolleyes:

Benipete 19-02-2009 02:13

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Originally Posted by cashman (Post 682195)
seems mummies told him its bedtime.:rolleyes:

Yes but the work of the cat goes on.:rolleyes:
Caught three mice in the trap today and bagged two with the air rifle.:D

Ah life without cats.:theband: Can go on.

PS I'm Allergic to them but would never hurt one;)


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