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How long before this gains momentum ?

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Not long I hope dave, but of course our hands are tied by Europe, good old Tony made sure of that:(

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the protest i can agree with, but for me any protest should be taken to the "Houses of Parliment" nowhere else, ya can't blame the intake of foreign workers fer doing what these dickheads allow.:rolleyes:

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You'd be better in Brussels! We need to seriously rethink who we want deciding our laws. An elected house, accountable to us at every general election, or the EU, whom has entirely unelected, unaccountable decision makers. All we get to vote on is our European Member of Parliament, but don't be fooled, its nothing like our parliament, they are only allowed to vote on legislation, not actually initiate it, no, initiating legislation is for the unelected powers that be. For this reason, when we vote at European elections, we cannot even vote for a manifesto, because the people we vote for don't get a say!

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fair point, but in a recession brussels is a bit of a cash stretcher. :)

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I would fully support the strikers: while their are jobs in the UK they should be filled by any relevantly skilled (or trainable) unemployed
To take no action would just result in more job losses somewhere along the ling. It is not good enough for the company to say that the new jobs will not result in redundancies. People are being mad unemployed all the time at the moment and the only way to keep the economy buoyant is bu utilizing every possible vacancy for those who are indigenous to the country.
someone suggested taking the protest to the Houses of Parliament - hang on a minute they are the goons who got us in this mess in the first place!!!!!!

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Is this the one that has got a ship acting as a floating hotel for the foreign workers? It is only the other week that GB said he was going to protect jobs for British workers and now this happens. I despair I really do.

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...or, then again, it could be Strasbourg, as the European parliament moves there, lock, stock and barrel, for one week every month at huge expense, so as not to hurt the feelings of the French. Incidentally, noble sentiments, Andrewb. I wonder how the Tories are going to implement this "serious rethink" you speak of? Perhaps we should ask your new front bencher, Ken Clarke?

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i find it difficult to get realy upset about foreign workers coming here to get jobs because if people left school willing to work and not go straight on the dole then the jobs wouldnt have been tehere for the taking in the first place

what i do get annoyed at though is now that jobs are becoming more scarce then foreign workres should be limited and nationals who are willing to work be given the few jobs that are available then when things pick up allow foreign workers back to fill the gaps left by the lazy sods that go from school straight to benefits

aslo on a slightly related topic regarding foreign workers and why they shoudlnt be used especially in a recession is that if Mr Whoyanichabollocof cames over from poland our govenment will pay child benefit to his kids back in poland

i may be way off but it seems to me that if you employ Mr Whoyanichabollocof you put a UK man or woman on benefits and also pay for his kids back in Poland and due to Mr Whoyanichabollocof working for less money than the UK person pays less tax and teh govenment ends up paying him out 10x more than what he pays into the system

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i too support the aim, not the method, n Parliment got us in it no doubt, but protesters at immingham have no chance of changing minds in brussels, they may have the will, but sure aint got the way.:rolleyes:

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It is amazing what public protests can do - especially if the popularity polls of politicians start to fall.
And it is always better to do something than sit back saying that nothing can be done

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agreed n media coverage would be much wider i think if parliment was the target.

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I find it really easy to be annoyed at the job stealing eastern europeans and let them know every single day, my fellow English people haven't got it in them to do anything about it except talk, don't make them welcome because tomorrow it could be your job their taking.:(

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Are you saying that all British workers working abroad should be forced to come home or are you on a one way street?:confused::confused:

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At the end of the day, in todays climate, jobs are seen as the goverments responsibility, and rightly so too in my opinion

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thats were folk are being conned, it is not their responsibility for the foreign workers, that can only be eradicated IF government can either change opinion in "Brussels" or come out of the common market n re-claim responsibility.

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accrington alone has a huge buisness called express gifts that mainly employees foreigners because the lazy arsed sods that doss around town all day cant be bothered to get a job

if it truely was a case of foreigners taking jobs away from UK citizens then yes i would be annoyed but lets be honest here the majority of jobs foreigners get are simply there because a lot of people would rather work up an asbo rather than a wage

i think its safe to say most people could name quite a lot of people who havnt lifted a finger working since leaving school so if they dont want the jobs then its no wonder workers are brought in from other countries

perhaps we should adopt americas take on benefits where you get 6 months payout from the govenment then your own then there wouldnt be jobs for foreigners to take

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If the job cannot be filled by a resident of that country then it would be up to the powers that be to decide if an overseas employee was the answer. So personally I feel British workers should NOT be employed instead of a national from that country, which is NOT the case here in England.

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We've all seen the lazy gets around town and I would force them to work for their benefits but there are English people who want to work but find they are losing out to cheaper labour from Eastern Europe and beyond, fact.

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I am sick of reading this arguement for giving the jobs to foreign workers. I know quite a few people who did the job at Express Gifts every year. All they asked was that they got paid minimum wage and overtime rates when they worked overtime. Not everybody is entitled to top up money from DHSS so need to earn the minimum wage at the very least. Employers are laughing at British workers and foreign employees are draining the economy even more by not spending here but sending the bulk of their money home.

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More likely the foreign workers will do all hours god sends in overtime. Usually they are in this country by themselves and have left their families behind, so the company know they are on to a good thing before they start. They have no family commitments which would prevent them from wanting to do so. They just want the money.

Have experience of this company, all my older kids have worked there at some stage or other. As have I myself for six months. Maybe the fact that me and others didn't want to do more than the expected hours overtime, and Saturdays- on a rota, and we have a life outside work, is why they are taking on these foreign workers rather than us Brits. Myself and a couple of people I know who have worked there, who flogged our guts out in the required hours, have been turned down to work for them again, and they refuse to give a reason...I wonder why? :(

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iv always said express gifts is a god awfull place to work for but it still remains that we have plenty of teenage males and females with no commitments dossing around town who could easily work there yet dont do

i worked there for over 6 months rather than claim dole money untill i found a better job and hated every single day i spent there and i dare say a lot of other people have worked crap jobs rather than be on benefits but these days more and more kids leave school and pull their face at the idea of actually getting a job which leaves jobs open for immigrants

liek i said , maybe we should follow the USA and only allow 6 months benefit then nothing at all and see how fast these jobs get snatched up before imigrants even get a foot onto the ferry


most people have worked for poor wages at one point or other infact my generation mostly worked for £28.50 a week on teh crappy Y.T.S sheme and tehre were no such things as minimum wage or working tax credit then to help us out

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Yes it is a god awful place to work. Use to doubt that myself before I worked there. But to be honest if you want to give an example, Express isn't the one.

I would have quite willingly have gone back and worked for minimum wage, doing the alloted extra hours, for the extra cash, and not to be on the dole.

I did nothing wrong while I was there, (Clayton offices) I even helped train up incomers after me when the supervisor had gone off shift, which was expected, even though I didn't get paid for it, and it interrupted my own work.

But my reluctance to do even more hours overtime than written down obviously was noted.

The fact that if you do more than a certain number of hours overtime has a knock on effect on your tax credits the next year obviously isn't of interest to them. Nor the fact that you may be doing extra hours to your family's detriment..especially as a single parent.


As far as the teenagers hanging round town with no jobs, unless they stop their benefits, they aren't even going to try are they?

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there are examples where british workers get laid off then imigrants are employed a few weeks later at a lower wage and that is disgusting and should be stopped and made illigal for a company to do so but i still maintain there are also a lotof jobs out there that are filled by immigrants that need not be

working for benefits has been discussed before and i think its a good idea and would also reduce teh need for imigrant workers

if i was an employer and had a job to offer i would offer it to the UK citizen but if no UK citizens are coming for teh job then of course i would give it to somone who wanted it

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Nope, its the governments responsibility (Morally). By acknowledging any other authority we merely allow them to avoid their responsibilities

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but who is making express gifts a crap place to work.the so called management who are after the quick buck.they would rather see their country go down the swanney than create decent working conditions so people will want to work there .they probably use outdated workin practices..another example of the greed factor which will probably blow up in their faces,thats happened to other companies recently..just to think people died for better working conditions and practices only to be blown away by thatcher and her cronies ,who sold off the countries assets and made it acceptable to do so again..lets not get into the blame culture the only blame is on the politicians who have been selling us down the river and that is both labour and tories now is a time for a new political party to rise but the big 2 have tried to make it impossible by raising the bond you have to pay by fielding a candidate..the best thing to do at the moment is to protest at the houses of parliament and give them a message the silent majority is no longer silent.it is time for action before it is too late......

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As far as I know, if someone is laid off, they cannot legally take on someone in the same position for a certain period, I think it's 3 months but not sure , can't remember. Maybe they recreate it under a different title?

Would have no problem working for benefits, if I was signing on, but that is not the position I am in.

Sometimes I think the job centre have more interest in offering jobs to people who are signing on, and are there to play the system, just to get statistics down, rather than someone who really wants the job but isn't doing so. It's easy to take a dosser off the dole queue, and give them a placement, which may not even last that long, considering they don't really want the job in the first place. Yet people like me, willing to give our all, don't even count. We don't count as far as getting training for other options, going on courses etc. Would love to do a certain course, but it ain't available to me coz i don't sign on.

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yup iv bveen in that position as well where because i didnt get the right sort of benefit i couldnt get certain training courses

my argument isnt against those willing to work but are held back by stupid regulations but against those who leave school and never see a payslip of any kind apart from what they sign for every fortnight and even when offered help in the way of courses at college choose to either doss around town or stay in bed

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thats why this certain company use employment agencies so they can get away with anything ..if it was up to me i would disband all these employment agencies they are not good for the moral of the country in fact they are another part of the problems of todays society.jobs are supposed to make or break people .these agencies just break people and destroy the fabric of society gone past...i say everybody boycott all express gifts products..

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Not true, it's not the government's responsibility because they willingly handed over that responsibility, along with many other responsibilities to an undemocratic quango in Brussels/Strasbourg long ago. You can protest all you want to Parliament but they won't do a thing about it, because they CAN'T do a thing about it. For better or for worse, citizens have complete freedom of movement in the EU.

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Yep, they should be made to do some sort of work for their benefits, what ever it is, be it created specially for that purpose or not. Even if it is cleaning their croneys crap up off broadway, or working for an organisation that is desparately in need of voluntary help. I have no problems with the work for benefits ethic at all.

As for job agencies...don't get me started. Why firms can't employ their own people is beyond me. At least if they saw their prospective employees face to face, they would have an idea of what they were getting. Then they wouldn't have to constantly rehire due to crap decisions by the agencies.

As for boycotting Express, the choice is yours, but working there, and ordering from them, faulty and broken goods...takes ages to get your money back...

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The jobcentre don't offer anybody jobs anymore. It's all DIY. Jobcentres are now administration offices for benefits where they have computer screens to look at jobs available and you need a very strong nose to stay in the building for more than 2 minutes. :rolleyes:

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they are having a crack down i think and trying to get people back into work... i got a letter from them to go for a work based interview next month.. i called them and said that i was heavily pregnant and was told that i could put the interview off until my baby is 6 weeks old.

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Yep agreed. But Ive sat in there, with people I know are career benefit claimants. Have heard them being offered options of jobs which you just know they are not going to keep, even if they get them. Surely they must be able to suss out these people by now and offer them work for benefits, with the option of losing such if they don't do it, and leave proper jobs for people who really want them and are willing to commit.

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moralise all ya want, face fact it is not the governments responsibilty.:rolleyes:

Parliment protest is all there is I.M.H.O. if enough people converged on em, worldwide coverage would ensue, its the only option/chance i can see of any possible attempt to discard the treaty. enough people n any party in power would have to get off the pot.;)

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Absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. The local offices must surely know who the real shirkers are. Would make more sense chasing up these rather than forcing single parents with babies to get a job. Granted some of these may also be people determined to use the system, but the majority aren't.

On the one hand the government is telling us how to bring up our kids, saying family is all important, and the next they are telling them get a job and put your baby into paid supervision. It's ok if you want to go back to work and have the care in place, but forcing the issue is not right as far as I can see.

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It's just a paper exercise to meet targets.

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so i wont be sent out into the paddy fields with my baby strapped to my back? :D

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only to Kerry.:D;)

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that would be perfect :D

the only thing thats stopped me from being there is the recession :(

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Does this mean the Royal family will have to go back to their various homelands on mainland Europe?

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sooner the better.:D

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yeah send em back

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I know that this must sound like a stupid question, but why can't the UK opt out of the EU?:confused:

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if it was put to referendum Eric, it probably would, then again the dingles might win the champions league.:D

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So the problem is that you don't have a govt. or a major political party with the balls enough to do it:rolleyes: So, when England win the World Cup (and the Toronto Maple Leafs win the Stanley Cup) and they are having snowball fights in Hell, there will be a referendum ... I think I got it;)

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we are of course talking about a country that dosnt have an elected leader that has been voted for so why the hell would they let us vote to stay in europe or not

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We cant opt out of the EU cos that would finish off farming here, without the EU who is going to pay all our farmers to keep their fields empty? Anyway the way Brown is going on we will need to borrow heavily from EU, due to him spending all our money propping up his friends, the bankers

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I think the thing that is happening with the Oil Company Total UK is that the contract to refurbish these sites has gone to an Italian company who are obviously using Italian labour. What was to stop these contracts going to British Companies instead, it really does make a mockery of the statement made by Brown "British Jobs for British workers":(

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Several refinery sites have had walk-outs today - including Grangemouth -so Spuggie may well have been involved

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Gordon Brown nor the E.U made the decision to employ foriegn workers... it's the board of directors and shareholders that frankly couldn't give a toss about British working people or this economy.

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Is that because most British business has been sold off to foreigners ? :rolleyes:

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Sorry Margaret I dont work there. Though I am not suprised at all with this carry on and its not just the refinery gang with the issue its a lot of the associated industries as well. Nearly 12 years since I was last in there and would never go back its a dangerous place to work and thats nowt to do with "imported labour" its the way its run.

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There are going to be big problems with this company employing Italian workers. The Italians on the Hotel Boat in Grimsby Dock are terrified of leaving the ship because there are people waiting for them on the dockside. Whilst I am totally against this there are jobs at stake here Families to support Mortgages to be paid How would you feel if some foreigner half-hitched your job Let me make a forecast--In the next couple of weeks Petrol Wagons will be stopped from leaving the refineries by the Unions. That will concentrate a few minds No petrol on the forecourts will soon bring the government to start to realise that the ordinary guy in the street is prepared to stand up for his job.British jobs for British workers. You said it Mr. Brown Now stand by your words

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the last time there was a protest at the refinery not much really came of it and it was very civilised. Now sadly I think there could be one hell of a backlash if all affected parts of the economy (whats left) pitch in. The issue will never go away as the benifits system does make it easier for some groups not to work. Also as mentioned these "imports" will work all hours for minimum wage which I have done myself. There are many out there who will not work because the wage they expect is far beyond what is reasonable.

Remember the hullabaloo over the minimum wage and the disaster it would be? Did it really happen that disaster? The imports will work for it knowing it is a gaurenteed minimum hourly rate. I have worked for it and have the principle that its better to have a job that puts coin in the pocket than no job at all. It seems that these workers were freely accepted when we needed them with open arms but now that we have a recession then its "lets export our imports and give the jobs to british workers.

Now if our education system was better and there was more of the good old fashioned apprenticeships then we would not have a skill shortage here that needs filled by "imports." We need to start at the begining again by teaching and training for the jobs of the future to avoid this unholy mess. Dosnt matter which party is in power they need to start it as soon as they can. I am not saying as a country we should be specialists in a certain field nor do a bit of everything but find a happy balance. The EU expansion may have come with issues but some with specialist knowlege have come over. Ok we get the free loading kind were the benifits system we have can work to there advantagebut to overhall it could leave those that genuinly need it in limbo with no support.

Would the American version work in my opinion no it would be a step back but we can take what is good about it and ignore the rest. Those that want a job will find work and those that dont will find a way to expoit the system. When a guy who has 3 kids is better off on the benifits ringroad than employed with all the benifits he can recieve then we do have a problem. The so called retraining schemes are no better than the YTS and all the variants that there has been.

Yet to throw out all those not British would make it no diferernt than the early part of the 20c when there were trade and employment barriers which in some cases there still is. We have as a country benifited from the "imports" and should be thankfull to those that did contribute but the hard bit is finding a way to lessen the impact when things are tight. Unions are happy in the good times as those who do contribute make it easier for their members. Sometimes an employer gets more work per pound hour out of an "import" than out of the resident worker which is down to culture not a case of "sticking it up the British" so to speak.

If you look at those that we rely on most in the NHS for instance how many are "imports" especially in critical disiplines? Yes fight for what you believe in but not to the detriment of people as a whole. One day we will again need them and they might not be too keen if this gets out of hand and victimisation becomes the norm. It is one balancing act that will take a saint to solve and the willpower of a few that will not be deflected to sort.

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So if thats the case ....... my parents wouldnt have been made welcome when they came here from ireland then roundabout 1950 ....

Another story for you ... my niece a few years ago finished school and went to college and became a qualified nanny. She had a job in Manchester which she liked anyway the kids were growing up and was going to school, and she started looking for another - which she got offered - in Canada - they wanted an English Nanny. Thing is when she applied for the visa - the canadian government refused her visa ... because the people she was going to work for had not advertised or interviewed the job locally, state wide or nationally ... so she re-trained as a teacher.

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I haven't had time to read in to everything about this issue but is it not the case that it's the skilled workers who are complaining about the imported workers ?

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Just curious , but is not Total , the company in question a French oil company ?
intersting attachment ..http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Total_S.A.

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Been on a Aeroplane recently, It was probably cleaned by a foreign worker, quite a few of the stores in Manchester Airport are staffed by Eastern Europeans. Your going on a British flight, so you expect a British Crew right? Wrong. The Low cost guys employ anyone who can speak English and fly a plane. Even the support staff are foreign.

I find it hard to support these refinery strikes, companies could not care where you came from, as long as you will do the job.

This is why, I am a foreign worker in Morocco, thankfully there are a lack of locals who can fly, the Moroccan Government does not want foreign nationals flying Moroccan Registered Aircraft. Wish that was true in the UK.:mosher:

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You are quite right Total is a French company.
The contract for the work was won by an American company who then sub-contracted it out to an Italian company.

Sounds strange being that America is short of work.:confused::confused:

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When we started to have our globalised econemies and companies things became global including our workforce. A company will if it gets a contract will as a rule use its own tried and trusted staff. The refineries are a good example of this with their maintainance contracts as the compinies that win these contracts bring their own people. This has been happening for years and locals here have complained to no avail. The skilled people complaining is ironic especcialy when they complained about too much work and O/T. Some of those in the refinery with matching skills to those employed by Ineos have fewer benifits longer hours and less pay. With the economy in free fall and contraction companies will take the cheapest option even at the expense of local skilled people. Having worked in the refinery up here I know that the subbies are treated with contempt even local ones. Those that are complaining have in real terms not a lot to do because it is taken by subbies.

The walk out of 600 or so bodies from the Longannet and Cockenzie power stations up here makes me laugh. These are people that have again had an easy life thanks to the cheap labour whether skilled semi skilled or just grunts. If an "import" gives more per pound/hour they will be employed. Thing is though if in the position that these "imports" are I bet they would do the same. People from blighty work all over the world as "imports" so they know how it feels like Boing Guy. In a way I am an "import" in the job I do even though I am British. The argument being that I am taking the job from a Scottish person. I work with a Pakistani 3 Poles 3 Indians an Italian a Spaniard and a Welshman yet we dont worry about this issue.

Mind you if it does go crazy I might be out of work as I am an "import" and have a job that a Scotsman should be doing. If we take the jobs of imports the skill shortage will return. As for who owns the companies they will do what is best for their profit margin. So does this also mean that because the company I work for Is US owned know I will be giving my job to an American? Dont think so. we need to go with the times learn improve expand and embrace what is happening as this is what we are if you want stuck with.

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The comparisons are being made to 1979 and the Winter of discontent, then it was sonny Jim over in the West Indies saying Crisis what Crisis, now its good old Gordon living it up in a Swiss resort, carrying on with his I'm saving the World campaign, instead of being here sorting out home grown problems. Just a bit like Nero fiddling whist Rome burnt:(

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In the end, the strikes are pointless; the free movement of its citizens is enshrined in the principles of the EU. This isn't some new measure that's been foisted on us. When a Tory government took us into the then-Common Market in 1973, it was made perfectly clear that this was part and parcel of membership...and there was a referedum. I voted against it, but most of you didn't, so we stayed in. Many Brits took advantage of the situation, too, by working abroad in the 70's and 80's.

Then, of course there's the union's approach that's it's all the fault of big business (whatever happened to their "workers of the world unite" principles?). But businesses inevitably look for the most cost-effective solution to their needs and, provided it's within the law, there's not a thing anyone can do about it. And don't most of us do the same anyway? When we go shopping for clothes or electrical goods, do we pass over the cheaper foreign-made goods and buy a more expensive British alternative because we're thinking "must preserve British jobs"? I don't think so.

The thing that bothers me is if this protest turns nasty and provides a field day for xenophobes to start venting their spleen on anyone in a job who looks foreign. If Mrs H starts getting any hassle, I reckon that's another big step towards me packing up and going somewhere warmer!

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I too voted against joining the European Union and it seems to me the ones that are complaining are the ones that voted for it.

I just accept it for the shambles it is.:(:(

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funny ive heard a couple of folk, in the last couple of days saying they support the striking workers, nowt wrong with that, but these strikes are illegal,FACT, i pointed out to the same people they supported the Tory legislation to make strikes illegal without a Postal Ballot.... funny how the worm turns when summat don't suit. "HYPOCRITES" springs to mind.:rolleyes:

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I don't know if I've got the right angle on this cashy, can I ask if you were in favour of postal ballots or not, I have to say that I'm not and never have been against withdraw of labour for the right reasons and actually think the ballot was a good idea, which meant that union members took the decision to withdraw labour and not just a few union leaders

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no i was n still am totally opposed to postal ballots. n it did not mean union members took the descision to withdraw labour, it meant peer pressure from wives/husbands when the letter came through the front door, plus postal ballots took/take weeks to organise n get out, so impetus was/is lost. i was in favour of secret workplace ballots, no problem with that. trouble is people never see further than the end of their noses.:)

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I hear what your say cashy

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I've never understood how any strikes can be illegal...if anyone decides to withdraw their labour it's up to them alone.... funny how a while back farmers, along with the ultra right wing Tory Countryside Alliance were picketing the petrol depots and hailed as hero's by the Tories... but the Miners pickets got their heads kicked in by Thatchers SS brigade!

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its same as i said earlier, HYPOCRITES.:rolleyes: wrong until it suits.

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I too find it odd having rules about strike, and whether they are legal or illegal.

It's like the rules we have in war.

It's odd that it's never the victors who are accused and stand trial for war crimes.

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the thing is thatll be more money going out the economy and people wonder why britain is going to the biggest recession it has ever seen for decades.there will be no more money to recycle and we wll soon be in the euro like or lump it britain is nearly dead as an independant country. we are no longer in control of our own destiny unless we protest now, but there is so much apathy in this country they cant see past there own front door and have no right to complain because they find politics boring and dont get involved all part of murdoch and his cronies brainwashing.he already has his claws into obama as his daughter paid and hosted his election parties......another nail in the coffin for true democracy..i support these strikers and anybody who opposes these strikes should take a hard look at themselves and ask do their loyalties belong to this country and their family..afterall you need a job to pay your bills and live,these people are only protecting their livelyhood and if disagree its right to try and protect your livelyhood you are a bigger fool that george bush will ever be.....support these strikes its time for the common people to fight back ...:mosher:

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Spoken like a true Democrat:rolleyes::confused:

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cheers...:)

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Looks like they are starting to take all the skilled jobs now as well :)


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I think the main problem is that Gordon Brown made the statement at the Labour Party Conference in 2007 "British Jobs for British workers", a promise he couldn't keep, under European employment rules

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At the end of the day, if staff in a workplace take a secret ballot and decide to strike, the impact would make the company concerned sit up and take notice, whether or not it is illegal is irrelevant. So long as ALL the workforce agree, and walk out of the door together, there would be very little a company could do except listen, and react to the workforce strike, if this happened though, chances are, like the government, they havnt been listening!

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The govenment will not listen because they cant be bothered. They know that any refinery aggro can backfire at the workers not thembe some kind of action like the late 70's mid 80's will make these slouchers sit up. They are fine n dandy in their own little world with a nice salery pension perks and in some cases lucrative jobs when they leave the chamber. Unless there is a direct threat there will be no action. I am not saying that all MP's are all the same but it seems that way. Sod the middle east sort out the mess at home first before the rebellion becomes like the miners strike.

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Good old Tony made sure of that. How can you seriously blame Tony Blair
you idiot :(

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Joining the European Union has turned out to have implications that were not envisaged at the time we joined.
This recession may well start a movement to get us out.
I do not know whether it is feasible, but right now I feel it is desirable

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May be feasible but as they are trying to force the ammended Lisbon Treaty on us I would rate the chance as greater than finding life on Jupiter. Its a sad state of affairs when the economy of an individual country cannot be healed because a bunch of europrats have us locked up with such stupid ideas controls and laws. Wedont like whats happening but as the Commen Market evolved we have become trapped. The workers may want to force change but the tangled mess that is EU law favours those that dont. ITs very unequal, partisan, dictorial and as flexible as Mount Everest.

Wounder if when the BENELUX countries started this idea out many moons ago the envisaged this would be the outcome? In 50 years they have made a complete disaster for many but a boon for others the French. They laid the foundation and it has grown out of control and to me is now just a cancerous grow slowly killing this country. Sadly though we have no surgeon with enough balls to say enough is enough and cut it from us. :(

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he is rumbling some words,[mr brown]will we see some action????????:)

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the thing is we will probably be in the euro in 2 years as the pound crashes and we dont need to devalue it to join..or could we negotiate somewhere along the line???????????

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Because he's the one, aided and abetted by Gordon that got us so embedded in Europe for his own ends and not the benefit of GB plc, clown

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From what I remember we went into Europe purely for trade reasons.
Both parties have dragged us further in in an attempt to get on the European Gravy Train.

Why screw 60 million when you can screw 600 million?:mosher:

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The concept of the Common Market was good, but a Federal States of Europe, no thank you

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I agree but that's the way we are heading unfortunately.:confused::confused:

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And we were promised a referendum weren't we :rolleyes:

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The only action will be to try and reduce his waist line by a few sizes:eek: He anit got a clue what to do and if he did he aint got the nads to follow it through!!!

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these protests are like bolting the stable door after the horse has shot...

too little too late - end of the day it comes down to capitalism. its down to money who's gonna save you more and who's gonna make you more. as romantic as it would be for manchester united to play with 11 english men cause they're an "english" club it wont happen as man u owners wanna make a profit so they'll sign who they need to make them the most money for the best value.

its the same for total - they wanna make the most money for the least amount spent, just as every other company in the world wants to.

there was a pic on the net saying army people just remember, your weapons and vests were made by the company who successfully made them the cheapest way possible.

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It was Tony to blame first,now it`s also Gordon to blame.You would have been nearer the mark if you blamed Maggie and her ministers.:rolleyes:
Idiot

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:) here here..by eck the bloke has spoken sense for once...the Thatcher and Major Goverments talked a good fight against EU inclusion but knew all along they needed the EU ... just as the present Tories...it's pretty obvious which way the Company Directors of Total, or any other massive multi-national lean when it comes to support of a politacal party.. they are all Tory! I'll say again that the supporters of the Tories (big business) are estatic about the present freedom of cheap labour to be distributed across Europe without restrictions.. they love it and so do the Tories!

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It would be rather interesting to know if you support that fat mumbling gob ****e who occupies No 10 at the moment?

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Support him/them ? ummm.. I do support him/them if the alternative is another Tory goverment.

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personally i would even support the "DINGLES" before the tories.:rolleyes:

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i understand the protest and i do sympathise but dont we have a free market to seek gainful employment in any eu state? im sure we have british workers abroad to.

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About 3million but I'm sure they will be glad to be sent home in a tit for tat battle.:confused:

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We have got the best/worst Tory gov. ever.:confused::confused:

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well thats my whole point, uk workers are in other eu states so other eu member workers should be allowed to work over here, it has to work both ways.

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Have we now?.. if we still had Thatcher these "illegal" wildcat strikes and picketing would have been dealt with in a different manner.. I mean the battons would be wielded and horseback charges against the "offenders".. you want to go back to that?