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emamum 13-02-2009 09:10
13 year old dad
 
have you seen this in the paper today? that kid looks the same age as Tyler :eek:

Baby-faced boy is father at 13 | The Sun |News

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BOY dad Alfie Patten yesterday admitted he does not know how much nappies cost — but said: “I think it’s a lot.”

Baby-faced Alfie, who is 13 but looks more like eight, became a father four days ago when his girlfriend Chantelle Steadman gave birth to 7lb 3oz Maisie Roxanne.

garinda 13-02-2009 09:51
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Awwww sweet.

At this rate he could be a great grandparent by the time he's 39.

Let's hope he at least has a paper round, so the rest of society aren't having to pay for his progeny.

AccyLass 13-02-2009 10:04
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Oh my god... he looks so young
And from reading what his father has put... acts like a normal 13 yr old boy

I wish them all the best in caring for her tho

garinda 13-02-2009 10:13
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What sort of 15 year old girl would want to go out with a 13 year old boy?

Most girls of that age prefer older lads who have cars etc.

Perhaps Alfie has a pedal car, and she got confused.

AccyLass 13-02-2009 10:15
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She certainly "looks" a lot maturer than she does... he really only does look about 8

garinda 13-02-2009 10:19
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Originally Posted by AccyLass28 (Post 679278)
She certainly "looks" a lot maturer than she does... he really only does look about 8
If it was a 15 year old lad who'd got a 13 year old girl pregnant, who only looked 8, the papers would be calling for him to be prosecuted.

Strange old world.

AccyLass 13-02-2009 10:20
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679280)
If it was a 15 year old lad who'd got a 13 year old girl pregnant, who only looked 8, the papers would be calling for him to be prosecuted.

Strange old world.

Yes... more than likely

emzy 13-02-2009 10:28
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Originally Posted by james169 (Post 679288)
t this rate he could be a great grandparent by the time he's 39.

Let's hope he at least has a paper round, so the rest of society aren't having to pay for his progeny

Hmmmm Deja Vu

AccyLass 13-02-2009 10:28
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Originally Posted by emzy (Post 679290)
Hmmmm Deja Vu
Spam aint it

emamum 13-02-2009 10:29
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whats with the random quoting?

jaysay 13-02-2009 10:30
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To be quite honest I think its rather sad really, just shows how times have change, when I was 12 or 13 I was more interested in playing football and cricket and doing what most lads of my age were doing, it certainly wasn't interested in sawing my wild oats, that came much later, when I realised that a stork didn't bring babies:rolleyes:

garinda 13-02-2009 10:31
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Originally Posted by AccyLass28 (Post 679292)
Spam aint it
Lol, a spammer has nicked my words!:p

emzy 13-02-2009 10:31
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 679295)
To be quite honest I think its rather sad really, just shows how times have change, when I was 12 or 13 I was more interested in playing football and cricket and doing what most lads of my age were doing, it certainly wasn't interested in sawing my wild oats, that came much later, when I realised that a stork didn't bring babies:rolleyes:
The stork doesnt bring babies???? Next thing you'll be telling me is theres no such thing as santa claus

emamum 13-02-2009 10:32
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my aunty had her baby at 13, that baby is now 15 and pregnant!! she will be a grandma at 29!

grannyclaret 13-02-2009 10:38
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when i was 13 ,i was still a little kid ..the most grown up thing i did was have a paper round,,,and pinch a dab of my mums scent,,,,

jaysay 13-02-2009 11:04
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Originally Posted by emzy (Post 679297)
The stork doesnt bring babies???? Next thing you'll be telling me is theres no such thing as santa claus
There, there sorry emzy, didn't me to spoil things for you, of course the Stork brings babies, and can't wait to see what Santa's going to bring me next year, if I'm still here that is:D

jaysay 13-02-2009 11:05
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Originally Posted by grannyclaret (Post 679301)
when i was 13 ,i was still a little kid ..the most grown up thing i did was have a paper round,,,and pinch a dab of my mums scent,,,,
I'll bet you were a real little rascal in them days GC:D

AccyLass 13-02-2009 11:33
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679296)
Lol, a spammer has nicked my words!:p

Least it didn't change em:D

Neil 13-02-2009 11:55
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Originally Posted by emamum (Post 679298)
my aunty had her baby at 13, that baby is now 15 and pregnant!! she will be a grandma at 29!
It's a shame her daughter did not learn by her mothers mistake.

emamum 13-02-2009 11:57
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my grandparents arent very impressed...... stops them asking awkward questions about my baby tho :D

jaysay 13-02-2009 12:00
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Originally Posted by Neil (Post 679346)
It's a shame her daughter did not learn by her mothers mistake.
Isn't that what was said on another thread Neil, kids take after their parents, if they don't put them straight from an early age, they just end up as a smaller version of parents and will carry on to be so, and probably their children children too

flashy 13-02-2009 12:40
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679260)

At this rate he could be a great grandparent by the time he's 39.

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i take it that was supposed to be 29 hunni?


Reece is nearly 13, i think its totally disgusting

not being funny but at that age they arent 'fully' developed (if you know what i mean) what was that child thinking? what was the girl thinking? thats bordering on peodophilia (sp?)

flashy 13-02-2009 12:42
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oh my god



Maisie was conceived after Chantelle and Alfie — just 12 at the time — had a single night of unprotected sex

cherokee 13-02-2009 12:51
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This is just dreadful. hes still very much a child himself. The baby looks as old as him..

emzy 13-02-2009 13:04
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They are both still children themselves, I know their parents are going to help etc but that is no age to have a raise a child

garinda 13-02-2009 13:05
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 679369)
i take it that was supposed to be 29 hunni?
No, if his baby has a child at 13, making him a grandad at 26, and if that child did the same thing he'd be 39 and a great grandparent.:eek:

I'll stop there, and won't mention the possibility of him being a great great grandparent by 52.:p

cashman 13-02-2009 15:14
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Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 679372)
This is just dreadful. hes still very much a child himself. The baby looks as old as him..
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Originally Posted by emzy (Post 679384)
They are both still children themselves, I know their parents are going to help etc but that is no age to have a raise a child
agree n think "Both" children should be placed in care n educated properly as the parents are no example, as it is now it sends the wrong message out to kids.:(

lindsay ormerod 13-02-2009 16:33
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The " father" is younger than my daughter, I showed her this and she thinks it's wrong and disgusting. I have to agree, the 3 of them should be placed into care, they obviously aren't getting any kind of responsible upbringing where they are now!:eek:

black_flights 13-02-2009 16:34
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This is frightening, I was so Naive when I was that age!

Taggy 13-02-2009 17:46
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Hearing this left me speechless!

Best Regards - Taggy

pussycat 13-02-2009 17:50
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he looks no older then my youngest son who is 8 , did the parents not teach them about the birds and the bee,s , my kids are 16 , 14 , 13, 8 , and 7 , the older ones are all boys , i sat my children down at ten and told them about sex babys and s,t,ds , then they watch labour programs on sky , my kids know everythin , soon it will be my too youngest turn for them to go though the same teachings as the boys , why have the parents not done more to educate these kids , my daughter is 7 and already know about what is goin to happen to her as she becomes a young lady ,

Polly_45 13-02-2009 17:53
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Well if that was one of my children im afraid id be mortified.and in this day and age there is just no need for it.

panther 13-02-2009 17:55
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He was only 12 when they had the sex!!
If you ask me that girl should be prosecuted, she doesnt look like a full shilling.
Poor lad didnt even know what financially meant!!, poor sod looked totally embarrassed when the 'girlfriend' laughed!!....video here...
Dad at 13 | Boy Alfie Patten, 13, becomes father of baby girl Maisie with girlfriend Chantelle Steadman, 15 | The Sun |News

He looks younger than my son!!

Lilly 13-02-2009 20:25
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I just find this very sad for all concerned. :(

emzy 13-02-2009 20:35
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I've just shown and read this report to my niece and nephew (13 & 11) who are stopping the night. They were both shocked by this but thought it may be a good way of helping to teach them what can and obviously does happen (every little thing helps)

lindsay ormerod 13-02-2009 20:45
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Sadly enough showing this to kids of that age is probably THE best sex education lesson for them, THE best birth control. The look on my 13 year old daughter's face when she saw the photos spoke volumes.

West Ender 13-02-2009 21:21
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It's very sad that children of that age have sexual relationships. Kids have always had sexual feelings and curiosity, that's nothing new, but in years gone by they knew that promiscuity was a "no-no" and the prevailing morality stopped them from "experimenting".

There are no guidelines anymore. No one turns a hair when an unmarried, teenaged girl gets pregnant and everyone falls over themselves to give out "advice" to kids who should still be innocent (not ignorant). Everywhere you look there is casual sex and immorality. I am not a prude, far from it, but I do not like the casual way sex is dealt with in the media etc. It makes it cheap and "dispensible" but, in reality, the consequences are certainly not.

Speedy 13-02-2009 21:24
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Its a shame that they arre so young, but to the people who said they should all be placed in care, what a load of.....

The lad despite being young is facing upto his responsibilitys, sure he doesnt know how much things cost and has no income but is money important to the baby....NO.

I know people twice his age with kids who couldn't care less about them, i beleive this lad has every chance of being a good dad, it will be a steep learning curve but it is for all first time parents.

Me and my girlfriend are still relatively young and have 2 kids, people said we wouldn't be able to cope, we proved them wrong.

So good luck to the three of them and i hope everything works out well for them.

BTW i dont suppport or encourage children so young to have kids but the baby is here now so they might aswell be given the opportunity to show people they can manage.

cherokee 13-02-2009 21:51
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[quote=Speedy;679641]Its a shame that they arre so young, but to the people who said they should all be placed in care, what a load of.....


Its not a load of tosh ..... I agree with cashy they need educating properly and seeing as the parents have failed to do itsomeone should take them hand.

The lad despite being young is facing upto his responsibilitys, sure he doesnt know how much things cost and has no income but is money important to the baby....NO.

As for facing upto his responsibilities now that is rubbish. This is a small youngster who in a few months will want to be back out with his mates playing football and following the icecream van. Did you see the news at tea time? he barely understood the simple questions the reporter asked him He didnt have a clue what to say when asked how he was going to support that child.

I know people twice his age with kids who couldn't care less about them, i beleive this lad has every chance of being a good dad, it will be a steep learning curve but it is for all first time parents.

Agree there are people out there twice his age that dont look after thier kids but that dosent make this right imo. This lad has every chance of being a good dad sure, but when the time is right. He is still very much a child himself

Speedy 13-02-2009 22:02
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Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 679649)
Its not a load of tosh ..... I agree with cashy they need educating properly and seeing as the parents have failed to do itsomeone should take them hand.

As for facing upto his responsibilities now that is rubbish. This is a small youngster who in a few months will want to be back out with his mates playing football and following the icecream van. Did you see the news at tea time? he barely understood the simple questions the reporter asked him He didnt have a clue what to say when asked how he was going to support that child.

Agree there are people out there twice his age that dont look after thier kids but that dosent make this right imo. This lad has every chance of being a good dad sure, but when the time is right. He is still very much a child himself
1. Bit late to teach them about the birds and the bees, so why not educate them on how to give there child the best future.

2. Atleast the lad is trying, sure he might want to go out with his friends in a few months but now the baby is here shouldnt we atleast allow him the chance to prove himself (whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, this lad has been pre-judged by most of you, just because he's young and baby faced doesnt make him incapable). i didnt see the news so cant comment on that bit (however i would like to make the point that this lad has probably never been on tv before and id probably struggle to answer basic questions with a news crew surrounding me, i imagine it would be quite daunting).

3. I never said it made it right, my point is that there is a baby involved in this situation and the baby should be put first, someones age is not representive of there maturity or thier ability to be a good parent.

West Ender 13-02-2009 22:03
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Who matters most in this terrible triangle? Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's that poor little baby.

Left to her parents, the mite stands little chance of achieving a fulfilled and rounded life. She will, no doubt, be a parent herself while still in her teens, poorly educated and socially inadequate.

The infantile parents are enough of a pointer to where Society is going wrong. The baby deserves, but won't get, so much better.

lancsdave 13-02-2009 22:13
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679641)
i beleive this lad has every chance of being a good dad,
I'll give him 2 weeks max

cherokee 13-02-2009 22:21
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679652)
1. Bit late to teach them about the birds and the bees, so why not educate them on how to give there child the best future.

2. Atleast the lad is trying, sure he might want to go out with his friends in a few months but now the baby is here shouldnt we atleast allow him the chance to prove himself (whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty, this lad has been pre-judged by most of you, just because he's young and baby faced doesnt make him incapable). i didnt see the news so cant comment on that bit (however i would like to make the point that this lad has probably never been on tv before and id probably struggle to answer basic questions with a news crew surrounding me, i imagine it would be quite daunting).

3. I never said it made it right, my point is that there is a baby involved in this situation and the baby should be put first, someones age is not representive of there maturity or thier ability to be a good parent.

Yes it is to late for the birds and bees talk but there are other areas they should be taught before we end up with another tragedy on our tvs.
I think Putting a baby with two young kids like this is a terrible mistake.
They will not be the ones looking after it. they will be too busy hanging out with thier mates.
First he will want to do and sure as hell shes not gonna want to be stuck with a baby.
and again what message is it sending out to our teenage society. Personally they should be made an example of and that baby should be taken away. Sorry if that offends you but thats my opinion.
It stands more of a chance of a decent life.

The interview was just a recording BTW so little intimidation there .

Speedy 13-02-2009 22:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by West Ender (Post 679653)
Who matters most in this terrible triangle? Well, as far as I'm concerned, it's that poor little baby.

Left to her parents, the mite stands little chance of achieving a fulfilled and rounded life. She will, no doubt, be a parent herself while still in her teens, poorly educated and socially inadequate.

The infantile parents are enough of a pointer to where Society is going wrong. The baby deserves, but won't get, so much better.
So purely because the babys parents are young they are unable to raise a child to become a decent member of society?

Couldnt disagree with the part i have underlined more, some of the most successful people in the world came from a under privaliged upbringing.

Speedy 13-02-2009 22:29
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I love the way a lot of you are jumping to conclusions about whats going to happen to this baby when shes a teenager, she isnt even a week old and she has already been painted out as a deadbeat waste of time who will not contribute to society.

What chance do children these days have when they are pre-judged so harshly.

And hows taking the baby away going to show other teenagers that getting pregnant is a bad idea? in my eyes it would be more a case of "oh you dont need to wear a condom if i have a baby it will be taken off me anyway so its fine lets just do it without protection" IMHO terrible idea.

lancsdave 13-02-2009 22:31
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679660)
Couldnt disagree with the part i have underlined more, some of the most successful people in the world came from a under privaliged upbringing.

Have you got a list of all the ones born to a 13yr old and 15 yr old parent ?

Speedy 13-02-2009 22:37
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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 679663)
Have you got a list of all the ones born to a 13yr old and 15 yr old parent ?
Does there age really matter that much?

surely maturity and a willingness to learn the skills required to be a good parent are far more important than age.

cashman 13-02-2009 22:43
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679668)
Does there age really matter that much?

surely maturity and a willingness to learn the skills required to be a good parent are far more important than age.
Maturity :rolleyes:

lancsdave 13-02-2009 22:44
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679668)
Does there age really matter that much?

surely maturity and a willingness to learn the skills required to be a good parent are far more important than age.

I noticed his maturity in the article ;

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He said it was the first time he’d had sex, that he didn’t know what he was doing and of the complications that could come.

Benipete 13-02-2009 23:00
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Got a feeling that there is more to this than meets the eye.

cherokee 13-02-2009 23:00
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There isnt an ounce of maturity in the small boy.
Maturity comes with education and age. knowing right from wrong and being able to seperate the difference.
We are talking about a small 13 yr old boy Yes he has fathered a baby but that dosent make him qualified to bring it up and give it the lifes knowledge it needs .
what is being said here is that the parents of these two kids havent been able to educate them so how the hell do they stand a chance educating a wee one of thier own when they dont know whats right or wrong themselves.

When My kids were little the law was a child couldnt even babysit until they were 14 yrs and then they had to be a responsible 14 yr old wouldnt like to quote the law now as im not sure but cant see it changing that much

garinda 13-02-2009 23:31
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679660)
So purely because the babys parents are young they are unable to raise a child to become a decent member of society?
Well since they are both too young to leave full time education, the chances of them being able to 'raise' their child is financially going to fall on the tax payer, and not them.

I do take your point about all young parents not being feckless. I happen to know a young couple who were 'caught out', when he was 15 and she was 16. They are still happily married...and have been for over forty odd years, having brought up a happy, well adjusted family.

The chances are this relationsship won't last, all the statistics are stacked against them, and the person who will suffer most will be the child of this union.

garinda 13-02-2009 23:34
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I wouldn't trust such a juvenile 13 year old to look after my house plants all by himself, never mind leave him in sole care of a baby.

Polly_45 13-02-2009 23:49
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Originally Posted by cherokee (Post 679675)
There isnt an ounce of maturity in the small boy.
Maturity comes with education and age. knowing right from wrong and being able to seperate the difference.
We are talking about a small 13 yr old boy Yes he has fathered a baby but that dosent make him qualified to bring it up and give it the lifes knowledge it needs .
what is being said here is that the parents of these two kids havent been able to educate them so how the hell do they stand a chance educating a wee one of thier own when they dont know whats right or wrong themselves.

When My kids were little the law was a child couldnt even babysit until they were 14 yrs and then they had to be a responsible 14 yr old wouldnt like to quote the law now as im not sure but cant see it changing that much
I do believe the law states you must be 15yr old to be legal as a babysitter.i wouldnt fancy my chances of leaving a baby in this little boys care.responsibiity is a huge undertaking which neither parent has instilled in their children.It wont be these two young parents facing up to their responsibilities it will be the grand parents,who in the first place should never of allowed this to happen

Caz 13-02-2009 23:51
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Got a feeling that there is more to this than meets the eye
After the Matthews fiasco, anything is possible.

From bits gleaned from various newspapers, there are rumours on the estate that he isn't the childs father, that it could be one of many. That the girl's house was a popular haunt for people wanting to smoke cannabis, visitors coming and going all the time. Unbelieveably the girls mother was Alfie's babysitter. Some doctors seem surprised this lad could have fathered the child.

Watched the family on Sky News a short while ago, they almost seem to be enjoying the publicity.

Speedy 13-02-2009 23:58
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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679680)
Well since they are both too young to leave full time education, the chances of them being able to 'raise' their child is financially going to fall on the tax payer, and not them.

I do take your point about all young parents not being feckless. I happen to know a young couple who were 'caught out', when he was 15 and she was 16. They are still happily married...and have been for over forty odd years, having brought up a happy, well adjusted family.

The chances are this relationsship won't last, all the statistics are stacked against them, and the person who will suffer most will be the child of this union.
I can understand the point about financially they will have to claim benifits, however, as both are under 16 the only benefit they will be eligible for is child benefit (which IIRC is only £20ish).

Whats to say they wont both leave school with amazing exam results and go on to become doctors or laywers? (yes i realise its very unlikely but it is possible).

I really hate the way this topic has been worded by some, judging purely off what the story reports and not considering the million and one side notes that MAY have been excluded from the story.

Its easy to look at this story and say they wont be any good as parents, but I personally see that as being very judgemental and wrong. Everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves, and how do we know how well they will cope as parents, none of us have met this lad or the girl (who seems to be getting off lightly, whys everything targeting the boy?). For all we know they could be the most amazing parents ever.

And i agree the statistics are against them, but 98% of statistics are BS anyway:p.

Speedy 14-02-2009 00:00
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Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 679684)
It wont be these two young parents facing up to their responsibilities it will be the grand parents,who in the first place should never of allowed this to happen
Because im sure they were sat in the corner watching while thier kids had sex:rolleyes:.

You cant put the blame onto the parents, kids these days know about sex and know the consequences. Someone telling them not to do something aint gonna stop them.

Caz 14-02-2009 00:03
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Because im sure they were sat in the corner watching while thier kids had sex:rolleyes:.
Apparantly the two were allowed to share a bed at the girls home.

Can't put the blame on the parents? absolute bullshine!!

cashman 14-02-2009 00:04
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679687)
I can understand the point about financially they will have to claim benifits, however, as both are under 16 the only benefit they will be eligible for is child benefit (which IIRC is only £20ish).

Whats to say they wont both leave school with amazing exam results and go on to become doctors or laywers? (yes i realise its very unlikely but it is possible).

I really hate the way this topic has been worded by some, judging purely off what the story reports and not considering the million and one side notes that MAY have been excluded from the story.

Its easy to look at this story and say they wont be any good as parents, but I personally see that as being very judgemental and wrong. Everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves, and how do we know how well they will cope as parents, none of us have met this lad or the girl (who seems to be getting off lightly, whys everything targeting the boy?). For all we know they could be the most amazing parents ever.

And i agree the statistics are against them, but 98% of statistics are BS anyway:p.
everyone deserves a chance to show how they will cope, yes if they are mature enough, i aint no expert n nor or you speedy, but if they are mature enough, i am a dingle. n being judgemental is not n issue, they proved they aint mature on national tv.

Speedy 14-02-2009 00:10
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Originally Posted by Caz (Post 679690)
Apparantly the two were allowed to share a bed at the girls home.

Can't put the blame on the parents? absolute bullshine!!
I have shared a bed with many a female friend and managed to restrain myself, its all about self control.

Besides if they hadn't done it in the bed they would have found somewhere else to concieve the child.

If you can blame the parents for things like this, do we also lock up the parents of rapists/murderers/muggers/car thiefs etc etc.....because they were obviously in the wrong for not educating thier children aswell.

cashman 14-02-2009 00:10
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to most who saw them the lad is 13,going on 10/11 ask yerself how n why this happened.

Benipete 14-02-2009 00:12
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Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 679674)
Got a feeling that there is more to this than meets the eye.
Think I'd be taking tests to prove who the father is.:confused::confused:

garinda 14-02-2009 00:13
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679687)
I can understand the point about financially they will have to claim benifits, however, as both are under 16 the only benefit they will be eligible for is child benefit (which IIRC is only £20ish).

Whats to say they wont both leave school with amazing exam results and go on to become doctors or laywers? (yes i realise its very unlikely but it is possible).

I really hate the way this topic has been worded by some, judging purely off what the story reports and not considering the million and one side notes that MAY have been excluded from the story.

Its easy to look at this story and say they wont be any good as parents, but I personally see that as being very judgemental and wrong. Everyone deserves a chance to prove themselves, and how do we know how well they will cope as parents, none of us have met this lad or the girl (who seems to be getting off lightly, whys everything targeting the boy?). For all we know they could be the most amazing parents ever.

And i agree the statistics are against them, but 98% of statistics are BS anyway:p.
The facts are really very simple.

This child has a mother who is 15, and a father who is 13.

Thet aren't in a position to financially care for their child, we'll have to see to that. So the public are very entitled to comment on this sad case.

Judging from the immature, verging on the hideously naive comments the parents made, it is unlikely these two young people will be providing much in the way of a emotional support either.

Luckily, according to NSPCC guidelines, at thirteen he is just legally old enough to baby sit his child...once he's home from school, finished his homework, and providing his little friends don't call to see if he's playing out.

garinda 14-02-2009 00:17
Re: 13 year old dad
 
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Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679692)
If you can blame the parents for things like this, do we also lock up the parents of rapists/murderers/muggers/car thiefs etc etc.....because they were obviously in the wrong for not educating thier children aswell.
If the perpetrator of the crime is still a child, and supposedly in the care of the parents, yes those should be locked up.

Polly_45 14-02-2009 00:18
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It appears that we are keeping the girls mother and her 5other siblings along with the boys fathers 9children.id love to of had 5 children and been given hand outs and sat at home all day long.
perhaps im old fashioned and have morals.
wont be long before this girl can go on her local council house list and live rent free

Speedy 14-02-2009 00:20
Re: 13 year old dad
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679695)
Thet aren't in a position to financially care for their child, we'll have to see to that. So the public are very entitled to comment on this sad case.
Fair point, and im not trying to deny anyone thier right to have an opinion on the matter (freedom of speech and all that:D).

Im sure social services will be all over this situation, be curious to see what action (if any) they take.

garinda 14-02-2009 00:24
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'The omens for Chantelle and Alfie in the long term do not appear good. Britain's youngest known father is Sean Stewart, who was 12 at the time his girlfriend Emma Webster gave birth to their son in 1998. They broke up six months later.'

Teenage sister of boy who became a father at 13 had baby at same age | Mail Online

garinda 14-02-2009 00:27
Re: 13 year old dad
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679699)
Fair point, and im not trying to deny anyone thier right to have an opinion on the matter (freedom of speech and all that:D).

Im sure social services will be all over this situation, be curious to see what action (if any) they take.
No legal action is to be taken against the girl for corrupting a minor.

Such cases have resulted in prosecutions when it was the boy who was 15, and the girl who was 12.

Speedy 14-02-2009 00:30
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679702)
No legal action is to be taken against the girl for corrupting a minor.

Such cases have resulted in prosecutions when it was the boy who was 15, and the girl who was 12.
I was referring more to the care of the baby rather than legal action against the parents.

garinda 14-02-2009 00:36
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679703)
I was referring more to the care of the baby rather than legal action against the parents.
'A joint agency investigation with East Sussex County Council Children's Services has taken place which has considered the needs of both individuals and there will be continued support for these two young people in the future."

East Sussex County Council said the young parents would receive "intensive" monitoring and health visitor support'


Boy who became father at 13 raises 'worrying' questions - Telegraph

Polly_45 14-02-2009 00:37
Re: 13 year old dad
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 679700)
'The omens for Chantelle and Alfie in the long term do not appear good. Britain's youngest known father is Sean Stewart, who was 12 at the time his girlfriend Emma Webster gave birth to their son in 1998. They broke up six months later.'

Teenage sister of boy who became a father at 13 had baby at same age | Mail Online
Just read the article it gets worse and her parents allowing boys to stay over beggars believe.I must be so out of what is now socially accepted in some homes

Speedy 14-02-2009 00:40
Re: 13 year old dad
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 679698)
It appears that we are keeping the girls mother and her 5other siblings along with the boys fathers 9children.id love to of had 5 children and been given hand outs and sat at home all day long.
perhaps im old fashioned and have morals.
wont be long before this girl can go on her local council house list and live rent free
The boys father works.

Just worked out that the benifits they will recieve equate to only £5000 per person per year.......really doesnt seem all that much, its unlikely they are living a life of luxury off tax payers money.

Benipete 14-02-2009 00:56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679706)
The boys father works.

Just worked out that the benifits they will recieve equate to only £5000 per person per year.......really doesnt seem all that much, its unlikely they are living a life of luxury off tax payers money.
Well that's alright then.:rolleyes: What planet are you on.I'm 57 worked for 45yrs and I don't get £5000 a year.:confused::confused:

Polly_45 14-02-2009 01:02
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His father does work but doesnt live with the childs mother as they are seperated.

steeljack 14-02-2009 01:43
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 679708)
Well that's alright then.:rolleyes: What planet are you on.I'm 57 worked for 45yrs and I don't get £5000 a year.:confused::confused:
your flogging a dead horse here :D :D

Benipete 14-02-2009 01:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steeljack (Post 679711)
your flogging a dead horse here :D :D
I'm just glad the childrens home I was dragged up in had electric heating or I'd have been up the chimney when I was 5.:D:D

Speedy 14-02-2009 04:18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 679708)
Well that's alright then.:rolleyes: What planet are you on.I'm 57 worked for 45yrs and I don't get £5000 a year.:confused::confused:
It works out around £97 a week.....TBH thats a very low amount to live off, i earn just over that and im in a very low paid job but luckily have very little to pay out.

lancsdave 14-02-2009 06:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Speedy (Post 679719)
It works out around £97 a week.....TBH thats a very low amount to live off, i earn just over that and im in a very low paid job but luckily have very little to pay out.
Thats some achievement with a girlfriend and two children. Do you all live as hermits :D

lindsay ormerod 14-02-2009 18:52
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This whole tale stinks, I would love to see some DNA results to back up who the father is. The more you read about the families involved makes you more and more sceptical. The fact that the little lads voice hasn't broken and his appearance make me very dubious about this!:rolleyes:

BERNADETTE 14-02-2009 18:55
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Didn't his sister have a baby at thirteen as well? Whatever happened to kids being kids?

flashy 14-02-2009 18:56
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 679369)
Reece is nearly 13, i think its totally disgusting

not being funny but at that age they arent 'fully' developed (if you know what i mean)
:rolleyes:

Caz 14-02-2009 18:59
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That's my feelings too Lindsay, as I said in an earlier post.

If we don't find out soon.... as I'm sure various authorities will be watching this family very closely now after certain things have been said...we may a few years down the line, when the boy doesn't want to pay maintainance....

garinda 14-02-2009 19:07
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PMSL the advert attached to this thread, at the top of the page, is for 'Gay Chubby Dating'.

At least there'll be no babies produced from such a rolly polly union, whatever the age, and whoever the daddy is.

:D

campbellclan 14-02-2009 19:41
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Whilst social Services are esigning an action plan on what parenting courses to send these two kids on, they could and possible should be looking at sending their parents on some courses. When the two teenagers have had enough of "playing house" it is the Grandparents who will be left holding the baby, and as they appear completely oblivious on pitfuls of dragging children up and allowing them to share a bed at their age it might be beneficial for them.

Polly_45 14-02-2009 20:05
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Well apparently both mothers have allegedly sold their stories to two sunday papers for a whopping 10grand:rolleyes:not a huge amount,how will this effect their benefits as at one time if you had x amount of pounds in the bank you couldnt claim a thing

lancsdave 14-02-2009 20:08
Re: 13 year old dad
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 680174)
Well apparently both mothers have allegedly sold their stories to two sunday papers for a whopping 10grand:rolleyes:not a huge amount,how will this effect their benefits as at one time if you had x amount of pounds in the bank you couldnt claim a thing
I think it's reduced on some sort of pro-rata basis over £8,000 now. don't forget thought the number of people being claimed for it will probably not even affect them.

jaysay 15-02-2009 10:51
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Seems like there's a war going to break out, evidently a 16 year old is claiming to have fathered the child, because he was also sleeping with the young lady for around 3 months at the time of conception, the mind boggles:eek:

garinda 15-02-2009 10:55
Re: 13 year old dad
 
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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 680387)
Seems like there's a war going to break out, evidently a 16 year old is claiming to have fathered the child, because he was also sleeping with the young lady for around 3 months at the time of conception, the mind boggles:eek:
Apparently there's also another 15 year old lad, who she was regularly sleping with, with her parent's consent.

No one is too keen for a D.N.A. test to be taken just yet to findout the child's true paternity, until all the lucrative deals have been struck with the media.

flashy 15-02-2009 12:23
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Jay, Gary, where have you read these claims?

Sparkologist 15-02-2009 12:27
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With all the various claims and counter-claims, the only proven fact in this sorry, sordid tale is that this little trollop has been round more times than the Magic Roundabout.

It is a sad reflection of the "Shameless" society that we find ourselves living in!

garinda 15-02-2009 12:30
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Originally Posted by flashy (Post 680434)
Jay, Gary, where have you read these claims?
It's reported in today's Sunday Times that the young lady also had two other young 'boyfriends', who some claim might also be in the frame for being potential fathers.

Sparkologist 15-02-2009 12:33
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It is also on the front page of Yahoo News.

polly 15-02-2009 12:56
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Originally Posted by BERNADETTE (Post 680105)
Didn't his sister have a baby at thirteen as well? Whatever happened to kids being kids?
Parents stopped being parents.

flashy 15-02-2009 13:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by garinda (Post 680439)
It's reported in today's Sunday Times that the young lady also had two other young 'boyfriends', who some claim might also be in the frame for being potential fathers.

cheers cocker

flashy 15-02-2009 13:04
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this girl obviously said it was the 13 year old to get money, i wonder if when it is proved that he is not the father, the papers will sue her and want their money back? bloody hope so

Polly_45 15-02-2009 13:47
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The more i hear the more im thinking it could be any Tom,dick or harry that could be this poor babies father.
hope one of the other boys parents call for a DNA test seeing that they are in talks with solicitors

emzy 15-02-2009 13:54
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I am finding this story more and more shocking as it unfolds. Not only is the girl a mother at 15 but now there are at least 3 possible fathers of the baby girl. What kind of life is she going to have when growing up, its all over the papers. Something like this is going to affect the baby as she grows up, talk in the playground and even after that. (i know it snot her fault but thats what happens) that baby is going to be bullied (maybe not physically but emotionally) because of all this now and it isnt fair on her.

Lampman 15-02-2009 13:58
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I believe that the Nanny state has attempted to replace the absent parent(usually father) and has made a cock up of it.
Though it was nice to see approaching Valentines day that youngsters in areas of Accrington had been handed an imitation rose with a condom and plastic drink shield attached.
This shows that someone somewhere cares!

Sparkologist 15-02-2009 14:04
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Polly_45 (Post 680472)
The more i hear the more im thinking it could be any Tom,dick or harry that could be this poor babies father.
Well, from that line of suspects it's obvious who the father is...

It's dick that done it. :o

yerself 15-02-2009 14:17
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lampman
I believe that the Nanny state has attempted to replace the absent parent(usually father) and has made a cock up of it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sparkologist
Well, from that line of suspects it's obvious who the father is...

It's dick that done it.
You sure about that Sparkologist?


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