I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

I would like to draw members attention to something that I and they may consider unwarranted censorship, as the title say's I would rather this was posted in anything goes but I really do consider it to be of high priority and very important information that should be shared with all of you.

To begin with as many of you know Roy the owner of accyweb is my son, unlike most of you I have many ways of getting in touch with him and letting him know if I consider something to be wrong,.

This is an advantage I don't use, I have always been an irritable member no matter who I am talking to.

The sad fact is I had two choices,

1/ get in touch with Roy and have this swept under the carpet.

or

2/ tell the other members.


I am choosing method number 2/.

I am sure Roy doesn't know this is going on, he hates the rules we already have and is dead set against most forms of censorship.

o.k. now to the problem.

Below is a link to a post I made,

http://www.accringtonweb.com/forum/679170-post12.html

If you would be so kind have a look at it, notice that it has been edited,

This line is what I am referring to:-
It is completely different to how it used to read,

my version was similar to this:-

Can I ask, why would such a modification be made?

Anyone of us can search through the archives and find references to this member being a moderator at one time so I am not lying it is a statement of fact.

This is a genuine and truthful statement and has been modified to suit who?

It doesn't suit Roy, such censorship on a regular basis would bring the site into disrepute, it surely doesn't suit the actual member I was referring to because it is a fact of History, he was a moderator!

It doesn't suit the rest of the members because if this is happening to me,(and it's very easy to miss the edited by, at the bottom of a thread), how many more is this moderator effecting?

To adjust my posts because I use foul language, to delete a post because it's an absolute lie or insulting to another member, that is why we have moderation.

But please explain why, mentioning that someone is an ex mod, surely people have the right to know who they are dealing with, I don't think, kipax/K-P has anything to be ashamed of, so why have we got someone on staff prepared to hide things from other members.

If anyone else has since I've mentioned this found a similar experience, please P.M. me, I will ensure that sensible examples get directly to where they will be dealt with.

:mad:

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

I might be wrong, I often am, but I think mod's can decide if they want to show they made an edit or not.

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How very true, if detrimental to the site, insulting or an obvious lie, but could you Neil, see any reason for such a modification? I can't and as I say, if he does it to one how many more is he censoring?

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if i'm reading this correct,the situation i mean, maybe he don't want some folk to know?:confused:

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Seems a bit strange to me Less that any one should want to change that post, as you point out there was nothing controversial about it, although I have to say that I didn't know Roy was your son or K-P was a mod at one time, I must pay more attention:rolleyes: I once had a post deleted but didn't know what for, but I think if this is being done the person concerned should at least get a MP or Email to explain why and by whom

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lol jaysay!!

i cant see any reason for the edit less, but will this post not be deleted when a mod comes on becasue it questions a mods decision?

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I was censored once - yes once - not for foul language or abuse (well would I?)
It was for supplying names and nos from the phone book for an expat seeking lost relatives.
The (same) mod did send me an explanation at the time

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which MP jaysay? greg pope is a member, but that would maybe compromise.:rofl38: sorry less couldn't resist.

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Being a good boy I would not comment about a mod's decision :rolleyes:

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If something of mine was censored edited removed etc I would like to know why. If I do not know why I could do the same again without realising. A pm saying why helps to avoid it in the future. Sometimes something might be taken out of context and lead to an eventual naughty corner visit.

Those who help keep the site in order have a hard job so a bit of info when we step over the line can help them as well as us.

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The reason why your posts were editedis that Jens got friends Spuggie:D:rolleyes:

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I'm too frightened to comment.:eek::D

Though I didn't know it was supposed to be a secret as to who the moderators are. Their names are in bold black letters, to make it easy for us to contact them if we have a problem.:confused:

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Have i now jaysay? Mick last time i did something threatened me with banning, Len - now got him wrapped round my little finger havent i Len? Now andrew would be quite happy to get rid of me seeing as im a different shade of red to him .......:D:D:D



as you may have gathered i hijacked spugs name as well .... hes going to have to change his password!!!!

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

i have been edited once, that i know of....and i deserved it :D

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my memorys crap, so i can only assume i musta been at some point.:D

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Have you met Mick? :D:rolleyes:

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She got closer than most of us ever have at the last meet (allegedly):)

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Yes, he's the one up and dressed at 5.30 am, wondering what to do with his banana.

:D

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and thats one allegation that CAN be substanciated.

:D

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:D Know him well.

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i really want to say my piece on this but the last time i stuck up for you Less i got BANNED lol

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The moderator who did the editing had a reason behind his decision,and to be honest that should be good enough without him having to defend his actions. People have full time jobs and moderate, it's not easy and to be honest is not a fun job, instead of whinging about how mods do the job, maybe just appreciate them for giving up their valuable spare time.:rolleyes:

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Dont think its a "bash the mods" thread its just a case of knowing what bit was wrong and why it was "fixed" thus preventing it happening again as I said previously. The mods do take some stick and supose that goes with the job so to speak. Without them it would be chaos on here and bad for the site. In a way it would be like me asking the mods to remove a post taken out without a reason as to why and the justification as to why. Ok the decission will be theirs but I will have given my reasons why. There has been and always be things that we disagree with the mods about and that will not change nor will there be a people that behave 100% of the time.

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Na cashy, you never say anything controversial:rolleyes: do you mate:D

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That allegedly chap doesn't have get lots of people of the hook Margaret:D

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Andrew wouldn't do that Spuggie, he's actually quite a nice cap when you get to know him:D

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There was NO allegedly about it Katex got a lot closer to me than any other member has except one other and thats the Wife .
as for the edit and this thread even the mods can make mistakes sometime(not very often) but there is no need to go off the deep end a pm would have done.

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You know, when some members help out at accyweb i.e become moderators etc they may well prefer to remain anonymous, for security, safety/ many reasons. Which I’m sure most of us can understand.
I know Roy would rather his moderating team use their real names, like I do “Len” but there must be hundreds of Len’s living in and around the Accrington area. Most of my friends here on accyweb know who I am and some have even been to my home, and I bet there are those whom would love to know who I am and where I live. :D

Just because any said member no longer helps out at accyweb doesn’t mean we/ you can start spilling the beans and breaking confidentiality (They disserve more respect than that). The only person, if needed to spill the beans aboiut them helping out at accyweb, should be the person him/ herself.

:)

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Just wondered who tagged this thread with a 5-Star rating ? Didn't deserve that in my opinion. :rolleyes:

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no idea, but would say its fine cos an explanation has been forthcoming from Len, which personally i think is good, cos it seems to have proved my suggestion right.:D

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Was tagged before Len posted Cash. What suggestion ?

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try reading post 4.:rolleyes:

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I agree with you about the use of real names and I know it is not easy being a mod sometimes. I think all mods on this side of the forum use real names. Its on the dark side where they hide behind assumed names and second identities so they can argue with people and then remove posts as it suits - allegedly of course ;)


Can I please start the appeal to ban Less for a week for questioning the hard work you do? ;)

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I have always used my real name on here and see no reason not to, though if others want to use a nom de plume it's their decision, either way it isn't that easy to hide an identity as we all know!:rolleyes:

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

I now understand totally how you feel.

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Tonight I have been censored by a mod for posting that that mod had breached forum rules:eek:
He did Pm me to say that my post has been removed because I had already reported it via the warning button

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Who's been cliping your wings Rindi:rolleyes:

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Pigs don't have wings, unless you know differently, and have seen one fly past your window.;)

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Don't understand Rindi, just wondered if you've had posts deleted you didn't make it clear, I know I have once, but don't know the reason:confused:

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I have, for thread wandering.

Though it wasn't until I'd kicked up a stink that other people had too, including the person who'd done the deleting, that someone was forced to remove all other thread wandering posts as well.

A small victory for fairness and equality, but a victory none the less.

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And you mention it again Margaret. I would be careful, people have been banned before for questioning the actions of mods. They have a hard timeas it if, especially when they all have friends on here. That makes the job even harder, trying to treat people the same is not easy when you know many people personally.

Just accept that you have been told off and leave it at that. I have had stuff edited and removed before, so what. If you feel the need to question a mods action then you really should be doing it privately with the mads.

If I was a mod of this site I would have removed you post above and asked you privately to let the subject drop.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Perhaps a mod/admin that started a thread, continues to be heavily involved with that thread, is not the person that should be deciding what should or should not be removed from that thread?

That way he/she can't be accused of being biased?

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

That reasoning makes sense to me.

It would also help understand whether a pm, requesting cessation of something, was official or not.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Makes sense to me as well

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May I remind members that:

"If you are sent a PM by a Moderator please consider it a private matter Do Not post anything about it or the moderators in the forum.
Also if you have a complaint about one of the mods please use the PM system do NOT post on site."

Margaret you reported the post and then posted in two separate threads about how I had allegedly broken the rules. There's no need to post in the two threads, there's a report post button for a reason.

Garinda your posts were removed because they were about a moderator that could have easily have been solved in PM, at the time of the incident you were referring to, or at the time you decided to post about it publicly.

It's a hard job being a moderator, and I have great respect for the other mods who have done it a lot longer than I have.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

We can agree on that point.

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I take it my suggestion, by the fact you ignored it will be considered a no, no, Then?

Yes it is hard being a mod', even harder to make the correct decision when the thread is someones personal little treasure.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

how the hell are you supposed to define if the P.M. is sent by the Mod or sent by the Mod as a member?:confused: with some it is not clear n therefore hard to define.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Well personally I'd take a Private Message to mean what it says. Garinda didn't understand whether my message was personal or moderator hat. Instead of replying and asking me, he waited to use it against me in a thread. There's no need to do this so the post was deleted, he's now upset and doesn't 'trust' me. It's quite easy for him or anybody else to contact a moderator if they're unsure about something, rather than trying to use it in a thread as an argument.

Less I have posted in the moderator section for them all to discuss your proposal.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Good I'm glad to hear it, I also hope it is taken up then at least the mods can continue to post and generate threads, without all this stupid caffuffle.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

then perhaps if it aint just general discussion or information as people get from mods,myself incuded, it would be sensible fer the sender to state if it was in official areas.:)

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Er...as a matter of fact I did reply to your pm, demanding I stop doing something.

Even though it was worded very curtly, I took the chance it wasn't an official warning from a moderator, and replied by telling you that I wouldn't desist.

It was genuinely confusing as to it's staus, it certainly didn't have the usual smilies, or even a lovely X at the end.:D

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Can I just add something that I find quite disturbing - at 22.07 on 16/02/2009 - there was a post by new member named 'Boris' - this post contained a 'very thinly' veiled personal attack on a member of this forum. I reported the post almost immediately, as did at least 1 other member but despite the fact that there was a mderator online until the early hours of the following morning, the post was not altered until after 9.00 am on the morning of 17/02/2009.

I was not the member being attacked - and would have accepted a personal attack - because as a Councillor I know that I must 'grin and bear' any criticism leveled against me on Accyweb (or answer back). But a completely unprovoked personal attack on any other member is unacceaptable in my opinion.

Incidentaly I do think Margaret was right in pointing out that the telephone number should not have been published on Accyweb, without the owner of that telephone's permission. I know it is freely available on HBC website - as are the numbers of all councillors but that does not give anyone the permission to post the number on here.

Regarding thread wanders - it is something that happens - and would certainly happen if we were all talking face to face. It usually provides a little 'light' relief and then everyone gets back to the topic. On occasions the thread wander has lead to people posing other important questions for which they would like answers.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Can someone explain to me the difference between a Moderator and a Technical Administrator. I thought I understood a Technical Administrator was someone who had been brought on board to help with upgrades and Linux stuff etc - I didn't realise that it meant moderating on threads as well.

Someone want to clarify for me please?

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

good point gayle, have wondered meself.:confused:

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Sure, as a technical administrator I not only moderate but have deeper access to help with things like upgrading forum software etc.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Strange that Boris hasn't had anything more constructive to say since then either!:rolleyes:
I personally think that if , as a moderator, you are too close to the subject you shouldn't comment on it, you just leave yourself wide open to accusations. It's a difficult call, emotive subjects are hard to ignore, I wouldn't want to be involved in a conflict of interests.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

thanks fer the clarification.:)

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

All staff members admin / moderators help out with the moderation as we all cant be on site all the time .
so if there is an admin on site and something needs moderating he/she can do

and by the way check forum rules
15: If you are sent a PM by a Moderator please consider it a private matter Do Not post anything about it or the moderators in the forum.
Also if you have a complaint about one of the mods please use the PM system do NOT post on site.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

I hope that asking questions is not seen as criticism - I just think it helps to clarify matters for people who could potentially have conflict with moderators.

Could I then ask another question - do moderators have a code of conduct that they stick to behind the scenes so's to speak? Just curious, I guess you don't need to answer.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

of course we have
if anyone has conflict with a mod they should report it not post it on site

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Report it to who?

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to a different mod

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

So I take it you have direct access to the vbulletin database that this forum uses as well then.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Seeing as you're all in breach of forum rules, why hasn't this thread been deleted?

*Packs away the nice big stirring stick*

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

please explain "WHY" all are in breach,including you.

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This thing about sending PMs isn't fool proof, PMs could be sent to the wrong person quite easily:D

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Or the right person.:rolleyes:

It's the week anniversary of Do-do-gate today.

Happy Do-do.

:D

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

That's easily cured,

If there's a mod' out there in a good mood could you please move this to anything goes?

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Do-do to you too:D

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I have just read through all these posts and have to say that it has given me an insight into how much time and effort people put into this site behind the scenes.If a post of mine was ever modified I would just take it for what it is and assume that I had unintenionally done something wrong. So I will say something positive and give a shout out to all the moderators and say what an excellent job they do. Thanks to all involved.

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

Flattery will get you everywhere:D

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

shouldnt that be Flattery will get you nowhere :D

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As we have been reminded in this thread, discussions over moderator conduct are to be kept to private messaging with the moderators. Personally I don't see anything wrong with questions over conduct being placed in the 'Feedback/Suggestions' section, but rules are rules! ;)

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Oh well, well, I notice that certain posts have been removed from the council meeting thread. Does who you are give you extra rights then? :(

Can PB not take the flack like us mere mortals? :confused:

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Good I am glad is was tidied up. People have been moaning about no Tory involvement on AccyWeb and as soon as there is all we get is abuse thrown about.

Is that the way we welcome our new members?

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No, we usually welcome them with a friendly hello, after they've introduced themselves in the relevant thread.

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Yes, you are right Garinda .. may have been a few tongue in cheek remarks but, nonetheless, friendly ... I usually add a kiss too ... :D

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

You didn't when you welcomed me:s_cry::s_cry: :D

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I did...twice.

You've had more comebacks than Tina Turner.

:rolleyes::D

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You're only saying that because he mentioned you in the Observer:rolleyes:
Have I to put 2 and 2 together?:D

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Yes it does !!!
If you are heavily into politics and have extra credits on accyweb:rolleyes: you can read things normal members cannot or twist the bias in your favour with the odd deleted post.:(

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

You may have just made 5. What was the Observer comment about?

Are you suggesting Andrewb deleted some posts?

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As typed from last weeks accy observer page 18 .. leaders viewpoint ....

Neil Mooney is chairman of the Friends of Rhyddings Park. Neil and his team do a really fantastic job and thats why i was delighted to be able to find the £67,000 towards improvements for the par, on the basis that a lottery grant was to be had, but this in fact wasnt forthcoming. Rhyddings Park has been neglected for years and its great that we are now able to begin to address the problem, which will probably start with footpaths and drainage as that is what the Friends would like to see done first. Incidentally, watch this space for Hyndburns first Green Bank Holiday event to be held in the park on Sunday 3 May.

I only typed the bit about you.

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It is a good job that i didnt put the papers out on tuesday aint it neil!!!:D:D:D

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Did he really spell park "par"? :p

I have not had time to read last weeks paper yet and this weeks is out already. Having one of those busy weeks.

I did of course know about the money for the park a few weeks ago.

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What a load of Chelthanem, the roses you could grow from that pile of steaming horses left overs just shows how out of touch you really are, the members, (and that includes you or I), can read all we want to into every post, but do you really believe that to get extra credits you have to be 'heavily into politics', have you forgotten that nepotism also works?

For goodness sake baggy get real!

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He's from TO ... a great cosmopolitan city with everything to offer (except maybe a decent hockey team:tongueout) ... so, in a sense he already is "everywhere".

But the mods do a great job :theband: ... "thankless task" comes to mind ...

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Who are these "normal members"?:confused:

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I'm sure he must mean thee an me Eric;):drunk::smokin:

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

He He, I will sneak back and hide in the Stanley section for a while.:o

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Only one, and the absence was not of my making:D

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Stanley Section? Have we got one?

Well, we all learn something new every day!


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Will you be discussing exciting things in their like the colour of seats? :p

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sorry, not had much time to get on here lately, were you looking for me ? :p

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Yes but I welcomed you twice.

Once when you joined, and yet again after you disappeared for a long while, and couldn't get back in.;)

Re: I'd rather this was in anything goes!
 

.... and then there were three:D

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hey what about me?

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Ok ... four :D