Miners Strike
 

It's the 25th anniversary of the miners strike... a strike that was in my personnal veiw a battle against the then Tory government of Thatcher and the working man...the then government proposed to import coal and close most of the mining in the UK..I reckon it was not an econimic dispute more of a Tory determination to crush communities and revenge for the strike in 73.!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Al-Fc0EQJ7k

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liek a man said on an interview looking back on the strike , you wouldnt think the police and govenment were that of the UK but more of a govenment running zimbabwi

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after all her efforts destroying the mining comunities theres actuallytalk of them reopening some pits

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i remember watching the strikers on the news, it was disgusting then, and the thought of it still makes my blood boil. all them folks put out of work cos the iron lady didnt/wouldnt do a U turn on any of her policies. i danced the day she left Downing St

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all my life i was just a labour voter, when that occured i came to despise everything the conservatives are n still do.:mad:

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Remember the miners strike in 1984 very well. The Labour Party in Hyndburn were involved in a lot of fund raising in support of the Lancashire miners.

The miners were not only fighting to save their pits, but also their communities.

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And for this she deserves a state funeral:eek: ... I don't be thinking so:mad:

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On second thoughts, a state funeral might be a good idea ... tomorrow sounds good.

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The miners were secondary and Scargill caused the hardship and sold the miners down the river,the strike became a Scargill and Maggie showdown and whilst the miners went through hardship Scargill went home every night to a warm house and hot meal.
The miners were betrayed by the very man who claimed to support their cause.

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thats exactly how dumb some people are,Scargill was completely proved correct,in his pit closures, in fact he well underestimated the number, ok he handled it badly, by making it a Scargill V Thatcher battle, but some will always be too thick to see it.:mad:

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The main problem was that Scargill had become too powerfull, he punished the l=previous labour government for thier inability to deal with him, maggie, much as I despise the woman, had to do something to slow him down, instead, she stopped him completely, the way she did it (reports of men being beaten into submission inthier own homes, in front of thier wives and children), was despicable, and was the start, (along woth many other 'maggie' introductions, of the ruination of this country, when labour came back into power, they should have overturned some of the changes, they didnt, and the country has gone downhill ever since, now, it is too late to change many things that should have been changed immediately labour came into power, radical changes are needed, but neither of the big two have the bottle, and the pc brigade would never allow any other party who dare to make the changes in.

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Magie brought the miners down, agreed.
It was a good politician against a bigot and he let a lot his supporters fry in the juice that he created.
How long can a failing industry be subsidised by a government who has to protect taxpayers money?
As to the subject of protecting taxpayers money....look at the present government....gold reserves gone...pensions gone...sterling almost gone.
The Banking industry has failed because of lack of government protection for the saver and borrower alike.
I think the current prime minister has more to answer for than all the prime ministers of the past including Thatcher and Wilson.

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thatcher did a good job of turning the public against the miners and scargill, she sent the police in heavy handed and had them break into peoples homes and beat innocent people infront of their children

thatcher wasnt sending the police to take on an army or a mob of angry football hooligans , she sent the police in heavy handed against innocent people using their democratic right to protest , it only turned violent when the poor sods were left with no option but to defend themselves

she couldnt break the miners spirit so she broke their bones

saying that about thatcher our late tony blair made it an act of terror to protest so between the two of them i dont know who desicrated our freedom more

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thatcher used the police as her henchmen,nothing short of a facist dictatorship..saddam hussain would have been proud ..ohh i forgot her son helped to sell weapons to him..mmmmm lost in the sahara :rolleyes:

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If you were called out to a violent mob, half of which wear'nt miners anyway,,,who would you call....Ghostbusters? or ring 999.
What has Mark Thatcher to do with the miners strike? cheap shot. :confused:

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So why has the present Labour Government not reopened them? They have been in power long enough to undo all Thatchers evil mistakes.

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who created this situation ghostbusters no..thatcher did.every single objective was to divide the common person,divide communities,destroy what social cohesion this country had ,create unrest so her and her cronies could get away with selling the family jewells..did she build a better britain no she destroyed it..

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The money has gone....no dosh in the kitty.....given to bail out the banking sector....and sell off of the gold reserves.

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The bank bail out is recent, why did Labour not reopen the pits years ago and make, us once again, self sufficient in coal?

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Thatcher didn't bring down the miners' union. She employed Ian McGregor to do that for her.

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Many of those closed pits had donkeys years worth of coal left in em, which you probably well know, but would never expect a tory to admit truth.:rolleyes: the reason labour became what they are today, was quite simply- the society that BITCH created made socialism unelectable, in other words she created a me me me society.

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And the current labour government? Gordon Brown and his cronies are guilty of selling the country down the river...is your lord and master building a better britain...I doubt it....The smoking ban has killed the pub industry and stopped people socialising....social cohesion what the hell does that mean?...The family Jewels are no longer there thanks to GB and co....The country is almost skint....If you are happy with your life under the current administratioin I pray that you will shed your blinkers.

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i believe the sheer scale of the cost Neil to reopen put paid to that.

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Maybe but you have to offset that against what is paid out for people not working and the other advantages to society for people working beside the cost of benefits.

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i was under the impression that had been done at the time, n obviously not viable then, cost a hell of a lot more now.:) also ya gotta consider the possible backhanders fer nuclear.

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I agree with that...but can subsidies go on forever?

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whats the difference between subsidies and investment:confused:

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Think thats question fer those who Conserve fer Oneself.:D

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Would you invest in subsidies?:confused:

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see were all still engrossed in the dog -eat -dog, quick -rich -britain sounds familiar:).its not subsidies its investing in whats left of britain .economics and politics affects every living person in britain you just cant just let it be,you have to try and do something right or wrong whats the alternative:confused:

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I agree with the investing in Britain part, so why has the Government not done it? Maybe they think Thatcher was right in what she did. Maybe they are even pleased she did it so they did not have too.

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i will tell ya this Eric, 20 odd years ago i made a promise, to get rat arsed when the cow dies, i cannot drink these days fer health reasons, but i have NEVER broken a promise.:)

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theyve been to busy clearing up the mess that thatcher left behind. i dont agree with everything labour has done or not .but weve never seen so many new hospitals and schools built since the sixties in the last decade.thats called investment,i remember going to school in thatchers era.crumbling walls outside toilets 36 to a class no heating..yes i remember the tories cuts in the education budget..

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I wish all this bullshine could be put on the backburner...and I ask in all sincerity....are you happy with your lot?

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don't think anyone is, but at least we have the honesty to realise how its all come about.:)

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Why not take on board the current siuation...Maggie cant be responsible for that......Not fit for purpose springs to mind.

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i am slagging the labour government fer it, summat you could never bring yerself to do with your lot. that says it all.:D

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i said im not happy with everything labour has done or not,ive just found myself agreeing with the liberal democratic leader:confused:am i goin mad:confused:

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Typical tory tactic - move the goalposts this thread is about the miners strike.:rolleyes: nowt to do with the current situation, other threads are.

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Not my idea to move the goalposts...my computer is playing up...will respond in the morrow.

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yeh you forgot to mention builders going to work in vans during the strike, stopped n turned back. loosing jobs/work through thatchers thugs, that is fact one of me best mates was one, nearly cost him his business.:cool: buts thats typical of your lot.

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No miner's strike.

No Billy Elliot.

So at least one young Geordie got a job out of it.

:D

On a more serious notes one of my closest friends at college in 1984 was the daughter of a miner from south Yorkshire. He was forty nine when it started, and never worked again, and not through lack of trying.

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theres quite a few like that poor sod, convienantly forgotten about by those scumbags.:(

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It was through knowing this friend's family that I got to know and see some of the devastation that was caused.

It wasn't just a few miners, it was the whole community that suffered. Village after village, town after town, and a whole generation of people thrown on a bigger scrap heap than was ever created by any mine workings.

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I am no expert on mining, but it probably isn't that easy to reopen pits once they had been shut for some time.

The pity was that a lot of the pits were closed in the first place. This country could have been self sufficent in coal for years.

What couldn't be repaired as well was the close communities, that were destroyed as a result of the misguided policy of closing the pits.

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i know this only to well rindy, but "THEY" don't care n never will.:(

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the hatchet man yes died in 1998, the last time i got seriously drunk.

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another problem about re-opening pits is that as said comunities worked the mines which basicly means if dad was a miner their sons would become miners but now the comunities are destroyed there is no one to work the mines exept imigrants which will bring about another debate alltogether

the nice small village comunities that worked a lot of the mines lost their homes and basicly the villages are now what are classed as desireable areas and cost a fortune so are probably occupied by people who wouldnt even touch a lump of coal yet alone dig for it

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Thanks for the bad karma, who ever ya are;), I like a bit of red every now and then:rolleyes:

Please let us know ya name so i too can give you a nice little red box in return ;):D

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Of course If the Welsh had done a bit less singing and a bit more shoveling they could have saved the day for us all.(only a joke my dad was a miner) Well 4days a week that is.:hidewall:

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so was i beni, way back in the day, they used to call it "Miners Monday" then years later the Bangles came out with manic monday n the young uns at work used to change the lyrics n sing it at me n me mate.:D