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garinda 24-03-2009 16:38

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 696113)
The thing is Rindi, its very rare to hear of positive discrimination being prosecuted, as opposed to the other way round

The figures are there.

Racist attacks are reported, and people are prosecuted, whatever the racial background of the victim, and that includes white victims too.

MargaretR 24-03-2009 16:43

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 696126)
The figures are there.

Racist attacks are reported, and people are prosecuted, whatever the racial background of the victim, and that includes white victims too.

So the true facts are being distorted by the media reports.
Doing that escalates the resentment in the group under-reported

garinda 24-03-2009 16:43

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 696113)
The thing is Rindi, its very rare to hear of positive discrimination being prosecuted, as opposed to the other way round

'Nearly half of all victims of racially motivated murders in the last decade have been white, according to official figures released by the Home Office.The data, released under Freedom of Information legislation, shows that between 1995 and 2004 there have been 58 murders where the police consider a racial element played a key part. Out of these, 24 have been where the murder victim was white'

'The figures also overturn the assumption that almost all racial murders are committed against ethnic minority victims.'

Racial murders: nearly half the victims are white | UK news | The Observer

Mancie 24-03-2009 23:28

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thanks for the stats Garinda.. but "nearly half" would be 27.. I'm not about to get drawn into statistics about racial attacks... the original question has been answered by many people... and god help us.

cashman 24-03-2009 23:32

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Originally Posted by MargaretR (Post 696129)
So the true facts are being distorted by the media reports.
Doing that escalates the resentment in the group under-reported

Has that not always been the case with most things?

garinda 24-03-2009 23:34

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 696313)
thanks for the stats Garinda.. but "nearly half" would be 27.. I'm not about to get drawn into statistics about racial attacks... the original question has been answered by many people... and god help us.

They are the statistics, the facts.

I was just wanting to show that the laws we have are there to protect everyone, regardless of the colour of the victim or the attacker.

Taggy 25-03-2009 08:59

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Originally Posted by Mancie (Post 696313)
thanks for the stats Garinda.. but "nearly half" would be 27.. I'm not about to get drawn into statistics about racial attacks... the original question has been answered by many people... and god help us.

Statistics or Propaganda, which is best?? Lets leave it for Harry Hill!:D

Best Regards - Taggy

jaysay 25-03-2009 09:22

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 696315)
They are the statistics, the facts.

I was just wanting to show that the laws we have are there to protect everyone, regardless of the colour of the victim or the attacker.

Remember the saying Rindi there are lies Damn lies and statistics, you can make statistics say anything you want, just depends who or what organisations are compiling them:rolleyes:

garinda 25-03-2009 10:12

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 696370)
Remember the saying Rindi there are lies Damn lies and statistics, you can make statistics say anything you want, just depends who or what organisations are compiling them:rolleyes:

I'm just giving the facts.

The facts show that there are white victims of racist crimes, and anyone who trys to make out that the laws are there just to protect a particular group are wrong.

garinda 25-03-2009 10:33

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 696370)
Remember the saying Rindi there are lies Damn lies and statistics, you can make statistics say anything you want, just depends who or what organisations are compiling them:rolleyes:

Here's a nice example illusrating the laws relating to racial crimes being used to prosecute a Scot, whose victim was English.;)


Drunk shouted racist abuse at English doctor - Airdrie & Coatbridge Advertiser

jaysay 25-03-2009 11:12

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 696402)
Here's a nice example illusrating the laws relating to racial crimes being used to prosecute a Scot, whose victim was English.;)


Drunk shouted racist abuse at English doctor - Airdrie & Coatbridge Advertiser

Very interesting Rindi, but I thought that's what most Scots call us sasanachs:D Its surprising whilst reading the article how some memories were roused, Airdrie Coatbridge, Monklands and Cumbernauld are all places I work with Lancashire Barfitters many moons ago

garinda 25-03-2009 11:37

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Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 696417)
Very interesting Rindi, but I thought that's what most Scots call us sasanachs:D Its surprising whilst reading the article how some memories were roused, Airdrie Coatbridge, Monklands and Cumbernauld are all places I work with Lancashire Barfitters many moons ago

I lived there for three years and can't say I ever felt racially abused.

Mind you they probably didn't know I was English, and just presumed I was from another planet.:D

Gayle 25-03-2009 13:05

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I don't doubt the statistics although they haven't factored in the breakdown of the population. We have roughly 10% Asian population in the UK, so the proportion of murders of Asians in a racist attack is higher than the rest of the 90%.

jaysay 25-03-2009 16:21

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Originally Posted by garinda (Post 696421)
I lived there for three years and can't say I ever felt racially abused.

Mind you they probably didn't know I was English, and just presumed I was from another planet.:D

Well to be quite honest I've often though that too Rindi:D:D:p

jaysay 25-03-2009 16:22

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Originally Posted by Gayle (Post 696449)
I don't doubt the statistics although they haven't factored in the breakdown of the population. We have roughly 10% Asian population in the UK, so the proportion of murders of Asians in a racist attack is higher than the rest of the 90%.

Shushhhhhhhhhhhhh Gayle you've rumbled it:D


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