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JohnD 26-04-2009 15:40

Hollie Steel : will all this be good for her?
 
All of us from Accrington should be proud of those of our high achievers but, it has to be asked, will all this exposure be good for Hollie Steel?

As a doctor, I worry it may not.

flashy 26-04-2009 16:03

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what a very strange thread

Caz 26-04-2009 16:04

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Where's Lower Micklehurst? :confused:

JohnD 26-04-2009 16:05

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Why strange?

Would you put your 10 year old daughter through this?

flashy 26-04-2009 16:07

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you say your a doctor?

1...try the 'introduce yourself' section before posting strange threads
2...try writing something on your profile

that might stop us being warey of strange threads cropping up here there and everywhere

AccyLass 26-04-2009 16:07

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It's not "putting her through it" if she wants to do it

JohnD 26-04-2009 16:09

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Lower Micklehurst is close to Burnley

lower micklehurst + map - Google Maps

flashy 26-04-2009 16:10

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JohnD...you wouldnt happen to have an X in your surname would you?

Roy 26-04-2009 16:10

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I can't really see how its a strange thread, its a link to a blog post which is an analysis of something that is going on currently with someone who is from accrington. Quite relevant to our forum, posted in the correct area, and asking an interesting question. Nothing out of the ordinary there...?

flashy 26-04-2009 16:11

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yes Roy

JohnD 26-04-2009 16:17

Re: Hollie Steel : will all this be good for her?
 
you say your a doctor?

1...try the 'introduce yourself' section before posting strange threads
2...try writing something on your profile

that might stop us being warey of strange threads cropping up here there and everywhere
__________________

Dear, oh Dear. What an odd, parochial comment. Where and why does it say I have to introduce myself before posting a comment? However, here goes.

I was born in Accrington, and my family - on both sides - have lived and worked there for longer than I can trace back. I went to primary school in Accrington. Miss Caufield's if anyone remembers her. The school was off to the right off Abbey Street (as you came down from Manchester Road) but has long been demolished. I lived on Hollins Lane and then on Manchester Road. I grew up playing in Oak Hill Park and occasionally Haworth Park, though I preferred Oak Hill. And sometimes I went to St George's playground. Bet that's been demolished too. And, as a student, I used to work at Calogen Foam. Does that still exist.

Will that do?

Thanks for the incredibly friendly reception!

cashman 26-04-2009 16:22

Re: Hollie Steel : will all this be good for her?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Roy (Post 708483)
I can't really see how its a strange thread, its a link to a blog post which is an analysis of something that is going on currently with someone who is from accrington. Quite relevant to our forum, posted in the correct area, and asking an interesting question. Nothing out of the ordinary there...?

Disagree,i find it odd in the context of n opening post on the forum.:confused: being a very suspicious git. still thats what makes this place good craic.:D

JohnD 26-04-2009 16:27

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Dear oh Dear again

Look guys, I'm not trying to **** everyone off. I am from Accrington, and I have looked at this site a few times, but never contributed. However, having written an article on someone from Accrington, it seemed relevant, and it seemed interesting to see what everyone thought locally. Yep, sorry, I missed the perfectly reasonable request to put something on the introduction bit, so I will do that now.

pipinfort 26-04-2009 16:28

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If it makes `em all a bit of brass to escape the doom and gloom that is `accy` then good luck to `em.......if my kids were talented enough and WANTED to do it then i would certainly let them.

Caz 26-04-2009 16:32

Re: Hollie Steel : will all this be good for her?
 
For each one that becomes a victim, there are many that don't. Bonnie Langford, Linda Robson, Pauline quirke, the Osmonds, just off the top of my head. Doing it because they want to and not because of pushy parents is the main thing.

cashman 26-04-2009 16:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 708500)
For each one that becomes a victim, there are many that don't. Bonnie Langford, Linda Robson, Pauline quirke, the Osmonds, just off the top of my head. Doing it because they want to and not because of pushy parents is the main thing.

that line of thought sits very well with me.

Caz 26-04-2009 16:36

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Who's to say those who became victims may not have done so anyway, regardless of what they did?

BERNADETTE 26-04-2009 16:37

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I went to a show the other week put on by the dance school Hollie attends, she did a few solos in that. I can't see any harm as long as she wants to do it and it certainly didn't appear that she was being forced to perform last night. Good luck to her is all I say:)

Less 26-04-2009 16:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnD (Post 708491)
Dear oh Dear again

Look guys, I'm not trying to **** everyone off. I am from Accrington, and I have looked at this site a few times, but never contributed. However, having written an article on someone from Accrington, it seemed relevant, and it seemed interesting to see what everyone thought locally. Yep, sorry, I missed the perfectly reasonable request to put something on the introduction bit, so I will do that now.

Don't worry about it you just caught flashy on one of her rare, 'off days', they only happen on a day with a 'Y' in it!
http://planetsmilies.net/kilroy-smiley-6274.gif

katex 26-04-2009 17:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Caz (Post 708500)
Doing it because they want to and not because of pushy parents is the main thing.

Suppose all parents of child stars have been pushy along the line somewhere Caz, or they wouldn't have got there in the first place.

I enjoyed your article JohnD, and gave me food for thought on this.

She has been fast-tracked into the limelight very quickly and will be a trauma, good or bad. Just imagine the whole of the U.K. practically will recognise her out and about ... what a shock to her style of life, and will need plenty of guidance, support and protection for a while. Most child stars have been introduced slowly into child stardom, through stage schools, parents in the business etc. Yes, can be described as a type of child abuse if you look at this way.

Personally, I didn't like her very much ... found the whole thing freaky and surreal with her extraordinary pre-puberty singing voice. Will need plenty of professional help in the future to help her find the correct channels as she grows into a mature woman.

Would I have done this to my child if they had shown an outstanding talent? Not in this way, no, and not at 10 years of age.

Best of luck to her anyway.

flashy 26-04-2009 17:07

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Less (Post 708509)
Don't worry about it you just caught flashy on one of her rare, 'off days', they only happen on a day with a 'Y' in it!
http://planetsmilies.net/kilroy-smiley-6274.gif



:thefinger (although it did make me laugh)

Neil 26-04-2009 17:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cashman (Post 708489)
Disagree,i find it odd in the context of n opening post on the forum.:confused: being a very suspicious git. still thats what makes this place good craic.:D

Don't forget not everyone is used to forums and he may not have read about the introductory posts yet.

I bet no one reads the rules when they first join. I know I never read forum rules when I join then. Come to think of it I rarely read them at all :D

Margaret Pilkington 26-04-2009 17:51

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Quote:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 708526)
Suppose all parents of child stars have been pushy along the line somewhere Caz, or they wouldn't have got there in the first place.

I enjoyed your article JohnD, and gave me food for thought on this.

She has been fast-tracked into the limelight very quickly and will be a trauma, good or bad. Just imagine the whole of the U.K. practically will recognise her out and about ... what a shock to her style of life, and will need plenty of guidance, support and protection for a while. Most child stars have been introduced slowly into child stardom, through stage schools, parents in the business etc. Yes, can be described as a type of child abuse if you look at this way.

Personally, I didn't like her very much ... found the whole thing freaky and surreal with her extraordinary pre-puberty singing voice. Will need plenty of professional help in the future to help her find the correct channels as she grows into a mature woman.

Would I have done this to my child if they had shown an outstanding talent? Not in this way, no, and not at 10 years of age.

Best of luck to her anyway.


Katex, I'm with you on this one.
The question JohnD has posed is interesting.....and I think my answer would be NO.
Fame and media coverage of fame are unpredictable.....mainly because the public is unpredictable.
I think her parents will have to be very strong minded to ensure that she doesn't become affected by these happenings.

I didn't like what she did on the show....it made her appear incredibly precocious.

shillelagh 26-04-2009 18:32

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well according to the sunday papers she's dropping the dancing bit ...

If she wants to do it then good on her .. but like everyone else says i hope it aint the pushy parent syndrome ...

i preferred the dance team diversity last night ...

Taggy 26-04-2009 19:00

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I think theres too much emphasis placed on Fame these days, people just seem to crave fame for fames sake, rather than attaining it through something they are good at. Its a celebrity mad world, but providing this is something that the girl genuinely wants to do, and isnt being pushed into, she should be ok.


Best REgards - Taggy

SPUGGIE J 26-04-2009 19:23

Re: Hollie Steel : will all this be good for her?
 
Didnt see her as I aint a fan of these kind of shows. To the point that has been made about pushy parents then we also have to consider so called agents and those of the Simon Cowell disfunctions. He will tell them what they can or cant do whether the person likes it or not. These people enjoy what they do and push too far and they will be stiffled and no longer enjoy what they do.

steeljack 26-04-2009 19:58

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seems to me these kids are being exploited worse than circus animals , (thought the attached blog was an interesting read ) think I read somewhere this past week that the young British diver is getting hassle from kids at his local school , most of it probably due to media exposure

West Ender 26-04-2009 20:14

Re: Hollie Steel : will all this be good for her?
 
I think the days of mothers like Shirley Temple's have gone, in this country at least, but 10 is a very young age to be catapulted into fame. I agree with Taggy there is far too much emphasis on becoming famous and there are too many youngsters who think they are much better than they are and dream only of "being a star", ordinary life being far too mundane for them. What will they feel like at age 30 when it still hasn't happened - and isn't going to?

I wouldn't think of any latter-day prodigies as a victim, since Lena Zavaroni, but living your adolescent years in the public gaze is very difficult as, I think, Charlotte Church would probably agree. If this little girl is going to carry on with a singing career I can only hope for a heightened sense of proportion amongst those around her and a good, solid chunk of down-to-earth in her parents. I have a feeling, though, that, even if she brings out a couple of albums, the sky won't be the limit.

junetta 26-04-2009 21:40

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She was definitely on the front row when ears were given out but I enjoyed listening to her. If she has enough bottle to sing in front of so many people I reckon that she deserves a chance.

katex 26-04-2009 22:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by junetta (Post 708638)
She was definitely on the front row when ears were given out

Yah see, that is just the sort of comment that this invites ... not criticizing you particularly Junetta .. but what do you think the media are going to get up to shortly, as in the 'Hairy Angel' label. Lots of labels roll off my tongue, but wouldn't post them. Plenty of adulation just now, how is she going to cope with the nasty remarks.

Best thing her parents can do now is to withdraw her and send her to a specialist school for correct training ... and don't tell me that her interpretation of vowel sounds didn't grate on you. She may make a quick buck within the next 12 months, but will need special coaching from there on, as oodles of talent being thrown out of these stage schools. Children who can dance, sing, act and know how to present themselves to the public as well as learning all the basics of the show business world, including how to handle shark agents.

She won't be 10 forever.

cashman 26-04-2009 22:41

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ya can criticize me kate- she was like a taxi wi the doors open.:D

jaysay 27-04-2009 10:47

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There's a lot in what has been on said on here about people craving fame and fortune, one has only to see some of the contestants on programs like BGT to see that, and those who push their kids into fulfilling their own dreams for them, one only has to remember that woman from Burnley who was pushing her daughter on the American Pageant circuit. However, there are also youngsters like the young kid from Accy who do genuinely have talent and should been courage, because that little lass has a bright future in front of her

Gayle 27-04-2009 11:29

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There is the opposite side of the coin - if her parents refused to allow her to enter, if they stopped her from doing the thing she loved most, in later years she could resent them for it.

Some children need pushing - listen to the story of most talented and famous sports people and they'll say that a lot of it was down to their parents pushing them out to practice. I watched a programme about Christopher Dean and Jayne Torvill and both their parents pushed them a lot.

I watched a programme about the violinist Vanessa Mae, her mother pushed her to her limits but now she's one of the most famous violinists in the world.

cashman 27-04-2009 11:37

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i am not fer stopping em, but am against pushing em.

lancsdave 27-04-2009 12:16

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If my child had a talent I'm damn sure I would encourage her ( or push her as people seem to prefer ) and do everything I could to develop her career. Maybe if her parents ignored her and allowed her to become a feral youth it would be more acceptable in this day and age. We have millions of parents in this country who let their children roam wild, so good on the Steele family for actually encouraging Hollie to do something with her life, even if it takes a push here and there :)

archiveuk 27-04-2009 12:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnD (Post 708487)
you say your a doctor?

1...try the 'introduce yourself' section before posting strange threads
2...try writing something on your profile

that might stop us being warey of strange threads cropping up here there and everywhere
__________________

Dear, oh Dear. What an odd, parochial comment. Where and why does it say I have to introduce myself before posting a comment? However, here goes.

I was born in Accrington, and my family - on both sides - have lived and worked there for longer than I can trace back. I went to primary school in Accrington. Miss Caufield's if anyone remembers her. The school was off to the right off Abbey Street (as you came down from Manchester Road) but has long been demolished. I lived on Hollins Lane and then on Manchester Road. I grew up playing in Oak Hill Park and occasionally Haworth Park, though I preferred Oak Hill. And sometimes I went to St George's playground. Bet that's been demolished too. And, as a student, I used to work at Calogen Foam. Does that still exist.

Will that do?

Thanks for the incredibly friendly reception!

Welcome to the forum John, and thanks for raising a valid issue... plenty of muppets here though !!!

jaysay 27-04-2009 16:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 708766)
If my child had a talent I'm damn sure I would encourage her ( or push her as people seem to prefer ) and do everything I could to develop her career. Maybe if her parents ignored her and allowed her to become a feral youth it would be more acceptable in this day and age. We have millions of parents in this country who let their children roam wild, so good on the Steele family for actually encouraging Hollie to do something with her life, even if it takes a push here and there :)

I think there's a big difference in encouraging and being obsessed dave, like the woman was from Burnley, she was living her dream through her daughter and it showed in the TV program. Parents should be there to encourage their kids and advise them, not force them into something they may not like just for the parents self gratification

lancsdave 27-04-2009 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 708818)
I think there's a big difference in encouraging and being obsessed dave, like the woman was from Burnley, she was living her dream through her daughter and it showed in the TV program. Parents should be there to encourage their kids and advise them, not force them into something they may not like just for the parents self gratification


The problem in this country is that anybody succesful is viewed through a green mist. I haven't read the blog but I assume there is something in there to prove that Hollies parents are forcing her to do it ;)

jaysay 28-04-2009 09:20

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Originally Posted by lancsdave (Post 708860)
The problem in this country is that anybody succesful is viewed through a green mist. I haven't read the blog but I assume there is something in there to prove that Hollies parents are forcing her to do it ;)

In my experience dave, anybody of what ever age, who have talent don't need that much pushing, its kids that don't have the gift who are usually pushed by their parents into doing things they are not comfortable with, pure talent will always rise to the top, it just takes a little longer in some cases i.e. Susan Boyle and Paul Potts:rolleyes:

Morecambe Ex Pat 28-04-2009 09:49

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Thanks for posting that link John.
I knew nothing about her appearance until I watched that clip. The dancing at the start was not very impressive but whoever stage managed that appearance certainly knew what they were doing. The impact, when she started to sing was fantastic and I wish her luck in what should be, if she is guided properly, a successful future. As for being pushed, she didn't look like she was a reluctant participant to me.

Benipete 28-04-2009 09:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 708982)
In my experience dave, anybody of what ever age, who have talent don't need that much pushing, its kids that don't have the gift who are usually pushed by their parents into doing things they are not comfortable with, pure talent will always rise to the top, it just takes a little longer in some cases i.e. Susan Boyle and Paul Potts:rolleyes:

Was Paul Potts that Cambodian geezer charged with genocide?:confused::confused::D

Morecambe Ex Pat 28-04-2009 10:30

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Sorry Benipete but you are getting confused with that well known anagram PLUTO PAST

jaysay 28-04-2009 10:50

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Benipete (Post 708992)
Was Paul Potts that Cambodian geezer charged with genocide?:confused::confused::D

Na Beni that was his older Brother Pol:D

archiveuk 01-05-2009 13:29

Re: Hollie Steel : will all this be good for her?
 
See what I mean?

blazey 06-05-2009 05:50

Re: Hollie Steel : will all this be good for her?
 
I think children pursuing stardom from a young age is something that is questionable to us simply because we have stars such as Macauley Culkin, Drew Barrymore, Britney Spears... many others, who have had low parts in their lives because of the stardom.

However, there are MANY children who are involved in ballet, the west end, tv... and they turn out absolutely fine and aren't damaged by their stardom.

Life is about choices and inevitable mistakes, which we either learn from or we let them spiral us into further troubles.

Hollie appears to have a loving, supporting and well grounded family and I doubt they would let harm come to their daughter and they'd do everything they can to help her make the right choices.


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