Originally Posted by katex (Post 716684)

It does anger me when this is thrown out at students Eric, and is simply not true from my experience. Most students do take out a job whilst studying. Can only go by my own son's record on this .... and try telling me it is not the real world. Sorry to bore you, but:

2 Years at McDonalds whilst doing A-levels. (health and safety certificate gained)
During the break before Uni ... very short period feeding the ovens at Hollands Pies, then working for a Newspaper Distributor.
Stock taking at the textile company I worked for and checking all dyed stock under a light meter for colour matches (boring)
1st year at Uni: Working in the student's bar and dealing with bouncers, rowdiness, etc. Also organising sports and social events for the students.
2nd/3rd year: Working at Blockbusters where they made him Manager for a year whilst he was searching for a job post-graduate before going back for his Masters in Planning.
Worked three days per week for a Planning Consultants whilst taking his Masters before they offered him an appointment on gaining this .. he is still there.. he is now 26, and all these jobs have taught him quite a bit of how to deal with people and varying situations !

Ok .. you don't have to read all this ... but 90% of his friends have this sort of history whilst studying.

My granddaughter worked in Ainsleys (bit like Greggs) from 16, now doing night shift at Sainsburys whilst stacking shelves and doing A-Levels.

Please do not tell me that students do not get experience in the 'real world' just gets up my nose.

Sorry. :p:mad:

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716687)

Sadly none of those part time jobs paid well enough to take me past my tax limit, which would have put me on a more equal footing with the rest of the income tax paying population.

That came later, when I was working full time, and paying all the associated costs and taxes of the 'real' world, unaided by the State in the form of subsidised educational grants etc.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 716731)

Educational grants ? Hummph ... they are long gone ... just loans now of which students are aware they have to Pay the Piper eventually.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716744)

Personally I enjoyed my five years in the ivory tower of academia.

Sure most students do Garinda ..know my son did.

I also enjoyed life afterwards, which offered more challenging demands than the relatively cosseted life of education.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 716750)

Oh hek, wasted my breath didn't I .... :D:D

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716761)

If by that you mean do I still believe life is less challenging in full time further education, than the period that follows? Then yes I do.:)

Originally Posted by Garinda

Sadly none of those part time jobs paid well enough to take me past my tax limit, which would have put me on a more equal footing with the rest of the income tax paying population.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 716849)

I'm just glad that Garinda's class elitism has gone out of the window in today's age. Most people I know don't judge a persons opinions more or less valuable based on their income, whether they're paying 0%, 20% or 40% tax.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716857)

You're mixing me up with an American.

I judge people on what they do, and what they say, not wealth.

My considered judgement on what you've recently said and done, sadly hasn't changed.

Originally Posted by Garinda

Sadly none of those part time jobs paid well enough to take me past my tax limit, which would have put me on a more equal footing with the rest of the income tax paying population.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 716864)

I'm glad you've changed your mind since yesterday:

Originally Posted by katex (Post 716731)

students have to sort their own accommodation out sharing rent, council tax, tv licence, gas/fuel bills etc with other people

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716886)

Nowhere have I posted that 'student's opinions matter less', just that their circumstances are different from the greater majority of the general public.

Originally Posted by garinda

I'm lucky enough to have done O-levels, and later a G.C.S.E., after I'd finished my B.A. (Hons.), so I'm probably in a better position than yourself to judge the academic merits and quality of those examinations.

Originally Posted by katex (Post 716887)

Sorry Garinda ... you are correct about the Council Tax ... students are exempt .. they just send in their student's certificate. Hopefully, the loan they get for living expenses goes to most of the other cost.

That wasn't where I was going though in this discussion, was trying to say the experience of working and living with five or six other students helps you to work as a team and coming to decisions, compromises, sharing life with other people to make life comfortable. Who has the top shelf in the fridge, etc., :D

Anyway, get the impression you had lots of fun in your jobs ... would have loved to have been on the purchasing side, at least you get all the choccies and wine at Christmas ... :D:D

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 716888)

You can still infer and come across in the way that I mention, even if you do not directly say 'student's opinions matter less'. I'm sure you understand the difference between the two.

For example, a student on here posted that your O-level was equivalent to a GCSE not a degree as you originally stated. You agreed that HE was correct, and you were wrong. However you still went on to post this patronising statement:



It has an air of elitism that is far beyond it's time.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 716893)

Should this thread wander really be kept going by a moderator?

I'd hate for anyone to get banned.

:D

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 717066)

Report it and stop spamming then! :D

Nobody is saying that your targeted individuals do feel inferior, I'm just pointing out the rudeness in your approach of speaking down to people.

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 717066)

Report it and stop spamming then! :D

Nobody is saying that your targeted individuals do feel inferior, I'm just pointing out the rudeness in your approach of speaking down to people.

Originally Posted by claytonender (Post 717072)

So you never speak down to people then do you Andrew?

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 717088)

Yet each man kills the thing he loves,
By each let this be heard,
Some do it with a bitter look,
Some with a flattering word.
The coward does it with a kiss,
The brave man with a sword!
Oscar Wilde

...and some do it with their tongue firmly in their cheek, unbeknownst by the target.;)

Though I must point out I certainly don't love you. It just seemed a half good quote to illustrate my point.

Originally Posted by turkishdelight (Post 717094)

LOL You worry me Garinda however its entertaining.

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 717095)

Is that worry as in worry sheep?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_CRI6VijMMh...07_486x386.jpg

Originally Posted by jaysay (Post 717105)

Well the sheep looks very confused Rindi

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 717118)

Perhaps it's on the selection committee of the Hyndburn Conservative Association.

;)

Originally Posted by garinda (Post 717092)

Of course not.:eek:

He's just the gopher for, and the greatest admirerer of, the King of Silencing Any Opposition.;)

Originally Posted by andrewb (Post 715421)

As predicted Labour tried to pin the Conservatives as being anti minimum wage. Peter Britcliffe confirmed that he was indeed in favour of the minimum wage, as were the local and national Conservatives. The motion was voted against. After all what would be the point in writing to David Cameron, only to tell him they still agreed with the policy. I ask you why are the council not writing on every issue? Every issue can't be used for point scoring.

I'd put money on local Labour still coming out with the 'fact' that Conservatives voted against the motion. This would of course would be completely misleading the pubic by hiding the full story... but there is an another election coming up.