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how long till we have one side complaining about the other about under-hand tactics and dirty politics?

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very disapointed that there were only a choice of labour and tory for oswaldtwistle

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Don't know what time the count ends tomorrow mani, but 5 minutes after it does:D

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*LOL* i've already seen at least 3 blatant law breaking events - heard of a few more - committed by both sides

one was just shocking though

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Any of these involve violence, nudity, sexuality, and coarse language ... if so voter discretion is advised;):D

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You can't say that and not explain what you have seen

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what i want to know is that the conservatives say they're gonna be green

yet all day long they've had these cars go around shouting out vote conservative

what a frikkin joke

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conservitaves are green , they keep all the money and the poor get jack

ok money isnt green anymore i know

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hope everyone went and voted .... even if you ruined your vote ... ive always said if you dont vote then you aint got the right to complain ... and as its county .. its another 4 years before you can vote em out again ...

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Mani, report them. :eek:
I have just spent the last hour in the pub after the quiz with Councillor Jones, I really hope he gets the votes he needs, he took time out to meet a few people and seemed fairly relaxed about it all but was obviously worn out. He was the only candidtae to knock at my door although the rest were bountiful enough with their junk mail. Everything crossed for you Graham, let's hope common sense prevails!:mosher:

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are the results online anywhere?

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theres a link on there

BBC NEWS | Politics | Tories and Lib Dems in poll wins

tells you when each council has been declared ...

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And this is another interesting story BBC NEWS | Politics | UKIP 'outrage' on folded ballots

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My internet has been down all day, it's been so frustrating not being able to find out what was going on. Fortunately, I had friends who were able to feed me the info when it was coming in.

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I had a hot line to the count Gayle, handy when you have mates who are councillors:D

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seems like the Tories have got the county elections sewn up..blue all over the country ...no doubt in my mind they will win the next General Election so if you are a pensioner or your income is less than 40k you best start stocking up with baked beans and the like, get used to laying on trollies in hospital corridors etc...the less well off will be blamed and made to pay for this reccession, not the rich Tories!

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yup anopther 10 -15 years of the poor getting screwed on teh horizon untill the poor wake up again and realise that they can no longer get treated in a hopsital in under 5 years

the tory way of treating ilneses like heart problems and cancers is to make the patient wait as long as possible in the hope they will die before any money has to be spent on treating them :rolleyes:

RIP N.H.S it was nice while it lasted


roll on the new era of screw you jack im ok

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Get real Mancie, the last time they had the sick laid on trolleys in corridors was during the shambles of the last Labour Government, the only problem now is that when this discredited shower are finally kicked out the problems are going to be ten times worse than 1979, another 12 months of Brown and co we won't be the sick man of Europe, we'll be banana republic, but without the fruit:(

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maybe for the first time Jaysay I can say you are either lying or the old blue tinted specs have come out... the NHS was brought to it's knees with massive underfunding by the Tories....tax cuts for the weathly will be the first priority of a Tory government....that is what your masters demand.. and you know it.

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Your having a laugh, the NHS is already in trouble and its been getting worse. Building hospitals like at Blackburn that are all but rented from some firm making a fortune. They built it then decided they had got it wrong so built a portacabin for A&E outside.

Everyone is asked to clean their hands as they walk in or out, except the staff. They blame the patients and visitors for making the place dirty then allow Doctors and Nurses to walk out of Hospital wearing the clothes they have been getting covered in who knows how many germs/viruses all day and take them home with them. They also allow them to wear there uniforms to work bringing bugs from outside the Hospital with them. The wards are dirty because people don't do their jobs properly which in turn is because the over the top management don't manage the staff.

You have spent time in hospital so you must know what I am saying is true. A lot of the staff are incompetent, also the management are incompetent because they don't sort out the staff below them.

What do you Government do? They just throw more money at it and come up with useless schemes to spend it on.

Now stop making me rant on about the NHS you tart.

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all i know is that if i had gotten my ilnness before labour got into power and provided more funding for the NHS and started cutting down waiting times i would probably have died waiting for a hospital bed

iv said this before on here , my friend rasied money to buy what was then queens park hospital a baby incubator as a thankyou for saving his premateur sons life , the tory woman whos name i cant remember who was in charge of some part of teh NHS demanded that a baby incubator be removed from queens park hospital which was allready short of them and had it sent down to her local hospital

when my friend visited the ward all that was left was the plaque saying who donated it to the hospital and a few screws

save money buying machines for souther hospitals just steal one from the north and screw us

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at least the NHS have got staff!...I was talking to a nurse who had worked in the same hospital for 15yrs and she was saying that under the Tories she was expected to oversee 8 patients...now it's down to 3.
It's already started..peolple are already defending the inevitable massive cuts the Tories have in mind.

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teh stupid thing is although labour did increase funding to teh NHS and made more treatment avaiable it got wasted on treating other coutries sick people

if the tories cut funding to the NHS they shoudl also cut how many imigrants get treated under the NHS

if you dont contribute you dont get treatment

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what i should have said is if you are an imigrant and dont contribute you dont get treatment

the N in N.H.S is for national not worldwide

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Mancie my first stay in hospital was in 1980 and have been in and out of hospital ever since, the last time was last September, the Ward I was on was a complete and utter shambles, it had been mothballed instead of being refurbished, then opened up again in the same condition except all the essentials were missing, I didn't have a water jug for two days and was eating my meals on my bed because there were no tables. The Irony of it was the nurse who were staffing the ward all came from Burnley where the brand new state of the art ward, which had been opened for only 18 months was closed down, as the sister said to me they closed my new ward down and have given me this sh1t tip,

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The NHS has improved over the last 10 yrs...wether it has been value for the vast amount of money poured into it is up for debate...but we will get the same old tory doctrine that you can make massive cuts and still keep a decent service... it's an illusion and a lie!

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The problem with the NHS under this shower of a government is they have put to much store on the men in ivory towers running it. The only way to run a successful health service is for it to be run by clinicians not out of work double glazing salesmen, who better to know what is best for patients than people with medical know how, not government lackeys who one week are selling baked beans to supermarkets then the next running hospitals

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I will agree with that...but then it was your government who set up the NHS Management Board in 1985...a management that was chock a block with ex carpet salesmen and took away the running of hospitals from Matrons...it was theTories involved private management to a NHS they openly hate..you do live in a fantasty land Jaysay!:rolleyes:

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Its no fantasy land when your seeing it first hand like I have, only his week a report stated that due to this governments mania for private investment to build hospitals, much needed money for patient care will be hard hit in the future because Trust will be forced to use money meant for patient care to service the debts, but as usual every time there's a labour administration they leave a tip behind them for other to sort out after them

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oh deary me Jaysay..already blaming this Government for the misery of a Tory future..you serve your masters well..tea boy!

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Well 'the Winter of Discontent' must have been Maggies fault then??? the dead unburied, The NHS all but closed down, and 'Crisis? What Chris?'
Ah the good old days

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and speaking of the NHS....what about the £20 to £30 Billion currently being spent on a IT system???? It should have cost £2.3 Billion. Insanity

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like I say the amount of money put into the NHS may not be good value..but the Tory doctrine is to cut funds..is that a good idea?

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those years were all about the public trying to get fair wages for work...we soon had the grief of a Tory Government that had an economic theory that high unemployment was a means to destroy the unity of the common men and women of this country..and it was a success..it left this once united country in disrepair to this day!

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So why is patient care so poor with so many mistakes made and the wards still dirty?

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I agree with you wholeheartedly - the fragmentation of society is a Tory legacy we could do without. Thatcher has much to answer for - so many people who never got the opportunity to acheive their full potential because she wanted to destroy the working class.

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Agree 100% ... nothinng worse for the little guy than a right wing govt. ... we have a tory govt. right now, but it is a minority govt. kept in check by the Liberals (probably close to the Liberal Democrats (?) over there, the NDP (labour), and the Bloc Quebecois (needs no explanation). Problem is, as I see it from a distance, Labour has screwed up so magnificently that they don't seem to form a viable alternative to the tories.

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Know I am a bit of a thicky on the political front, but why should any Prime Minster wish to destroy the working class ... it's work force ?

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I used this argument in one of my EU law seminars and the tutor was completely stumped and had to agree with my point, because there is no logic in beating down the working classes. Their priority is to keep us healthy and happy because that is the key to productivity, which pays their salaries. Same goes for the education, we need a decent amount of education to make up all the different links of production. No point just ensuring we can all read and write because we need people who can do more than that and so on. Just best to keep us down enough that we don't threaten their jobs :p

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I think I speak for a lot of people. Just having a daughter the staff and facilities at Royal Blackburn were fantastic. Could not fault anything.

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I've had to go to the Royal twice this year and I haven't seen a dirty ward. Everywhere seemed spotless and I have been dealt with very swiftly.

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Try spending more time there and you will soon see what really goes on.

I posted on here before about how they wrote on my wifes notes that she had been given pain relief medication when she had not. They put the wrong baby monitor trace in her notes as well.

I watched a nurse putting cups and saucers into a dirty bed linen trolley after she had just stripped a bed because she could not be bothered to come back with the tea trolley. That was the bed that she remade without wiping down the mattress. I am not saying that all the staff are the same because they are not. Its just that a lot of the staff are too lazy to do their job properly.

While on holiday my brother in law was unwell and was seen by a Doctor. He told him to have a prostate exam when he returned home. When back home he asked and was told he was far too young to have prostate problems. It took over a year for them to diagnose that he did have prostate cancer and by that time it was too late - I think he was just over 40 then.

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No Mancie just telling it as it is, which is something you don't like to do...... Drunk

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just hope you don't have to spend time as an inpatient Gayle

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On that same note, if you are a young girl and worry about your sexual health, you get turned away for a smear and told that you shouldn't be concerned. Yet with the number of young girls having sex you'd think they'd be offering them at a young age in my opinion.

The NHS is useless, and the only reason we use it is because we pay so much for everything else that we can't afford to choose anything better. Forced monopoly on the working class if you ask me...

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...and if you were in America getting a smear test would cost you between $25 to £40 dollars. Would you have even considered asking for one?

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Well you tell me, is the risk of the possibility of cancer worth $40?

I actually would, but then i've been in quite a worrying situation so I would think my health is well worth that small amount of money.

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I'm actually against the NHS and thought I'd make that quite clear, so it was a bit of a silly question to ask in my opinion.

I don't agree on the capitalising on health care in the first place anyway. The health and pharmaceuticals professions churn in and out too much money in the first place.

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so you would go back to a time before the nhs ... when you paid for everything ... no matter what ...

how much would it cost if you got knocked down and broke your leg and arm .. maybe needed an operation on your leg ... could you afford that ....

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Just out of interest what does capitalising of health care mean.

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I don't have the exact numbers but the Conservatives have come in front in Hyndburn by about 1000 votes.

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Figures for Hyndburn (for the Euro elections) as per LET are - Hyndburn result: Conservatives 6037 Labour 5020 UKIP 3906 BNP 2731 Lib 1285.

Link to website (shows most other areas of North West) -http://www.thisislancashire.co.uk/news/lancashiretelegraph/4424651.Election_blog__European_election_results

Just hope that there are not enough votes for the BNP in the rest of the North West, but it is very frightening that 2731 people in Hyndburn voted for the BNP

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Was the turnout the same as the county elections?

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2731 is the population of the Woodnook area of town.

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Bernard the turnout was 38.73% for Euro (LCC was 38.70%)

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There were BNP votes from all areas of Hyndburn.

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all that says to me is theres a lot of peopel fed up with labour but cant bring themselves to vote conservative so opted for the BNP

if they are indeed protest votes perhaps than manky mouthed idiot that looks to be on teh verge of a stroke will getthe hint and do teh decent thing and step down

bnp do have a use its another box to tick to show the govenment your not happy but i doubtthey will do as well in a general election

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Maybe people are just peed off with all the immigrants who have invaded Hyndburn.:(

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yeah until you need medical attention or will it be a private ambulance that takes you to hospital lol

wether or not your with bupa if you have an accident its gonna be a NHS ambulance that carts you off to hospital and NHS nurses and doctors that stop your internal bleeding etc

or you could get a taxi to your nearest private hospital between the hours of 9am and 5pm and pray it isnt a golf day for the doctor :D

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from this news story , I think I would maybe prefer a private non-unionized (non-clock watching) ambulance service if this is typical of the service the NHS provides , God help you all if there is a national emergancy and there is no-one around to sign the overtime chits
BBC NEWS | UK | England | Tees | Man died after ambulance detour

:D :D

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Be careful you will be accused of being racist next and as you know I agree that people who do want jobs can't get them because immigrants are coming and doing the job cheaper (whilst claiming extra benefits via child allowance/tax credits or whatever benefit is available to send home):rolleyes: Until people can see this you and I will be deemed "racist". What we really need is a party(not the BNP for me) that is prepared to do something about immigration and realising we are a very small nation that is overloaded. The open door needs to be shut before it is to late(if it isn't already):(

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Anyone who is concerned about the level of immigrants here may well vote for the party they feel has a best policy to end it..that does not make them racist....but the BPN as an organisation is racist.
I don't think the BNP have done as well as they expected in these elections.

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Think they polled 10% of the vote Mancie and gained two Euro MPs one in the North West, in Nick Griffin, they also gained a County Council set on LCC in Burnley, they have got a foothold, but I agree with you they are racists, full stop:(

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The Green Party have an immigration policy which echoes similar sentiments to some people on here, or at least it used to. Not quite for the same reasons, they're more concerned about air miles more than anything.

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I also once was offered a job on the basis of being the only white british applicant, so anyone who thinks jobs are only offered to immigrants is deluded.

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Ya, but immigrants don't like cleaning toilets blazey:D

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some dont even like using them , used to work at a company who employed imigrants and we were forever having to wipe 10 to 2 foot prints off the toilet seat , soem didnt even make it to teh toilet and peed into bottles by their machines:eek:

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HAHA that made me laugh

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toilet humour usually does :)

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:rolleyes: now now :rolleyes: :D

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PMSL, you naughty man jaysay.:D:D:D

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Its the way I till um:D

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BNP polled lower % than the Swedish Pirate Party.

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there's no mistaking that the bnp should've stolen the show but didnt

they polled less than they did back in 2004 but i think less people either bothered or voted other than mainstream parties.

they got in but people will see just how useless a party they are - just like they councillors who got voted in and then out this will show people that though they can talk a talk when it comes to racist messages but cant walk it politiically

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I was thinking more about the council elections..as for the BNP getting 2 Euro MP's to my mind that means sod all!

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Unfortunately it does mean a great deal that the BNP gained 2 Euro MEP's because it enables them to have access to the office staff, funding etc and publicity to further their aims.

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I'll admit I was not thinking about the funds they will gain...I meant two Euro MP's won't make much difference in the policy making of the European Union.

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Nice one .... good to see that you young'uns have a sense of humour:D

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Just read an article in the local rag to the effect that in the EU elections there seems to have been as shift to the right!!!!! Don't people on that side of the pond realize that it is right-wing, laissez faire style economics which got us into this mess in the first place? While sensible voters over here, both in Canada and the US, are moving to the centre-left to solve the crisis, Europeans seem to be heading in the other, and I think wrong, direction ... some would argue that govt. intervention in private companies is wrong .... but I feel comfortable with the fact that the govts. of the US, Canada, and Ontario are pumping in billions of bucks to stabilize, and, I hope save the automotive sector which, as any economist will tell you, is about much more than just making cars.

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MEP's from other extreme right wing parties have bene elected from the Netherlands, Hungary and Romania.
BBC - Mark Mardell's Euroblog

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No doubt at all that the center left in Europe is being blamed for the economic situation... I agree with you about intervention..if this Government had done nothing to bail out the banks and let the man in the street lose any money they had in those banks there would have been chaos, and I mean real aggro...there was no alternative as far as I can see.

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well it all seems strange to me...far right extremists from this country want rid off Romanians and Hungarians...who do the extremists in Romania want rid of?:confused::D

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More Romanians!

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So why are some accyweb members getting all flustered whenever the BNP are mentioned, if you don't think they are a problem do like the main parties do with the invasion of immigrants and ignore them.

Had to laugh today when an asian lad said he voted for the BNP to get rid of all the european scum then his brothers could get jobs, says a lot that.

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Are you saying you being a soft lefty want another load of job, house, schools, hospitals, benefits stealing gypos to invade our already overcrowded land?:mad:

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it says to me he is either lying or an idiot...then again a west indian bloke that came here in the 60's told me a couple of weeks ago that he might vote BNP...his reasoning was that they no longer target black people but now target muslims, who he regards as a threat...just goes to show how the BNP have managed to fool a few into thinking they are good for Britain when the real aim is to divide this country.

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its already divided thatcher made sure of that....

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Everybody knows that immigration control must improve in order to keep British people in work in the extremely tough economic times, and of course to prevent wrongful claiming of British public money for citizens of foreign countries.

People need to know that BNP are not the answer to any problems anywhere.

I don't think that the majority of voters for the racist party are racist at all. They want a change in rules and practice for all the right reasons. It's up to the other parties to make more public the utter atrocities that the Nazi Party believe in and support. The other parties also need to make clear their policies and stick to them.

I'm considering joining some sort of political organisation where I can making my feelings known and make action with them. I've never been politically inclined before, and I still do not support any particular party, but (as cmonstanley pointed out in another thread) when the country is in such a sorry state it's time to use any motivation that's left rattling around for positive change.

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I think a lot of non-racist persons voted for the BNP because Labour have failed them so badly. A lot of the BNP's left wing policies appeal to those disillusioned by the Labour party when combined with the BNP's new media approach in which they attempt not to come across with racism as their foremost policy. For example they have sidelined the repatriation of non-English in favour of a 'we're full; those that are here legally can stay, we just don't want any more'. Dropping the overt racism appears to have been doing them some good electorally compared with the past.

The only way to defeat the BNP is to point out the flaws in their policies and defeat them in debate. Simply calling them racists or denying them oxygen only plays into their hands.

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eh? were do you get that from?

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Out of interest, how many people on here follow European politics anyway?

As for the policies of the EU, which I've studied for two years now, the more people I ask about them, the less people seem to actually know about the EU at all.

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Well it means they have got two high profile representatives Mancie, the fact that they have a few councillors up and down the country is nothing but they have now won two seats at a national level, even though they polled less votes than 2004 mainly because the Labour vote collapsed thus increasing their share of the vote:(

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That's very true claytonender, it said on the news last night that over the next five years they could expect to receive around £4 million for staffing stationary etc, as you say its not so much them being MEPs its what financial gain they make

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Maybe it won't be so bad... it isn't anything we have experienced fully yet and we just ASSUME it will be like the holocaust or whatever, but I think the likelihood is that we are probably taking it to the extremes because of media hype and stuff.

We'll just have to wait and see and vote against them in future. I'd be interested to know how many people on accyweb actually voted BNP.

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To quote you mancie "far right extremists from this country want rid off Romanians and Hungarians" so because you are not a far right extremist it must mean you welcome them?;)

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Why? :confused:
Would it prove anything?

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BBC NEWS | Politics | BNP leader pelted in egg protest

well they've no need to buy any eggs today .....:D:D:D

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I depends on what kind of people they are....last year I was in the same ward with a young Romanian lad that had his foot amputated...his parents were paying for his treatment by the surgeon here and they came from Romania to visit him... of course I welcomed them because at least I've got basic manners....and you've got the cheek to call yourself English Bagpuss?... it's people like you this country could do without.

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Oh what a shame, those nasty protesters wouldn't let him speak:D:D

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Nice try ;););)